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Title: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on December 10, 2016, 07:06:21 AM
Perhaps for some this will be a "which album do you hate the least?" poll.
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Post by: riffraff on December 10, 2016, 07:14:57 AM
Voted for SOI...believe it or not, I almost voted for Bomb...I really like it, although I know I'm among the few...
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: acrobat62 on December 10, 2016, 07:31:22 AM
In order

NLOTH
HTDAAB
ATYCLB
SOI
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Post by: U2_One on December 10, 2016, 07:49:45 AM
NLOTH by a little over SOI

NLOTH
SOI
HTDAAB
ATYCLB
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Post by: rubbersoul on December 10, 2016, 08:44:02 AM
Innocence
Behind
Horizon
Bomb
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Post by: kango on December 10, 2016, 09:20:47 AM
Despite some crazy decisions and wobbles, I think as wholes, each album has been better than the last since ATYCLB.
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Post by: il_capo on December 10, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
I think I've had more fun with ATYCLB than any of the others on the list.  It's a great collection of songs, and I am not surprised U2 still mine it for their live shows.  I never really got into HTDAAB but I like NLOTH more than many people here.  NLOTH could've been much better if they'd made it more esoteric rather than trying to put some catchy tunes on it.  The catchy songs on it are inferior to the music on ATYCLB - e.g. the title track is forgettable.   SOI is lyrically the best of the bunch but the music lacks originality.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 10, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Imagine for a moment if that list was u2's entire discography.....

Shudder!
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 10, 2016, 09:45:33 AM
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I think I've had more fun with ATYCLB than any of the others on the list.  It's a great collection of songs, and I am not surprised U2 still mine it for their live shows.  I never really got into HTDAAB but I like NLOTH more than many people here.  NLOTH could've been much better if they'd made it more esoteric rather than trying to put some catchy tunes on it.  The catchy songs on it are inferior to the music on ATYCLB - e.g. the title track is forgettable.   SOI is lyrically the best of the bunch but the music lacks originality.

NLOTH is supposedly 'too esoteric'.....the mind boggles.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Vox on December 10, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
Absolutely no choice for me -- No Line on the Horizon.  I listened to it almost daily for two years.  I stopped listening to HTDAAB and SOI, for the most part after a month of two.  And although ATYCLB. is a pretty solid album, it doesn't resonate with me.  NLOTH gives me a certain feeling no other album gives me.  I know what others may think about it, but I don't give a f***.  I'm glad others like SOI-- they can have their 21st century U2 album-- I'll have mine.
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Post by: imaginary friend on December 10, 2016, 10:16:13 AM
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I think I've had more fun with ATYCLB than any of the others on the list.  It's a great collection of songs, and I am not surprised U2 still mine it for their live shows. 

Agreed...but personally, I spend less time with it than any of the other albums in the poll. No Line got my vote; it's their 3rd best album ever as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on December 10, 2016, 10:37:26 AM
NLOTH



SOI










ATYCLB





HTDAAB
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: John Galt on December 10, 2016, 10:40:39 AM
SoI.

Cedars and SLABT are the stand-out tracks for me since 2000.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 10, 2016, 11:37:41 AM
I really love "No Line on the Horizon".  As others have mentioned, it has a certain feel to it:  fuzzy, unfocused, but confidently going forward.  It closes rather weakly with the "White As Snow" and journalist/correspondent song, but other than that I find it to be a very solid piece of work.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 10, 2016, 11:50:17 AM
CoL is for me by far the best song on NLOTH.....it is just a shame that the album is so uneven, so unfocused and had such dogs shoehorned onto it like the abomination that is Crazy Tonight...Will I Am must have been laughing his bo****ks off..


Had the band been brave enough to put more stuff like CoL on NLOTH it would have been a good album.
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Post by: John Galt on December 10, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
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CoL is for me by far the best song on NLOTH.....it is just a shame that the album is so uneven, so unfocused and had such dogs shoehorned onto it like the abomination that is Crazy Tonight...Will I Am must have been laughing his bo****ks off..

Why, did Cheryl Cole reject it as substandard material for her debut solo album?

 
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Post by: an tha on December 10, 2016, 12:14:43 PM
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CoL is for me by far the best song on NLOTH.....it is just a shame that the album is so uneven, so unfocused and had such dogs shoehorned onto it like the abomination that is Crazy Tonight...Will I Am must have been laughing his bo****ks off..

Why, did Cheryl Cole reject it as substandard material for her debut solo album?


ah to be fair she did say she'd put it on the b-side of the alternative version of the american market only single.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: xy on December 10, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
SOI of course. The most thematically cohesive and it's not as all over the place as the rest of their 00's work. (ie the alleged "reinvention" 3 part record and two very inconsistent song collections)
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: John Galt on December 10, 2016, 12:30:18 PM
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CoL is for me by far the best song on NLOTH.....it is just a shame that the album is so uneven, so unfocused and had such dogs shoehorned onto it like the abomination that is Crazy Tonight...Will I Am must have been laughing his bo****ks off..

Why, did Cheryl Cole reject it as substandard material for her debut solo album?


ah to be fair she did say she'd put it on the b-side of the alternative version of the american market only single.

She did take the lyric "every beauty needs to go out with an idiot" to heart though.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Thunder Peel on December 10, 2016, 05:32:52 PM
HTDAAB
SOI
NLOTH
ATYCLB
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Spacejunk69 on December 12, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Take out Magnificent, Boots, Crazy Tonight, SUC & Breathe - you are left with 6 decent songs (IMHO) - especially the brilliant Cedars Of Lebanon.

There are only 3, yes THREE songs on the other three albums combined that I can actually listen to - Grace (yup, haters out there I know but I don't care, you asked MY opinion), Sleep Like A Baby Tonight and This Is Where You Can Reach Me Now.

Clearly, NLOTH is my favorite of the three.
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Post by: ShankAsu on December 12, 2016, 03:18:40 PM
HTDAAB- based on SYCMIOYO alone.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Droo on December 13, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
SoI. No contest. Not a song on the album that I dislike and most of them I love. Some of Bono's best lyrical moments in years and just a very listenable album.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 13, 2016, 10:45:11 AM
Question i have is this...as u2 are lauded as being one of the all time greats and of course this is a forum where many of the bands biggest fans can be found can you really hand on heart look at the bands post Pop output and say it is truly great?...you know the kind of stuff that sits head and shoulders above what other artists are doing and shows u2 leading the way in terms of their output, how innovative it is, how influential it is and how inspiring it is..?

My 'beef' with u2 in the last 20 years is that they have produced very ordinary records that have little to no innovation, do not really break any new ground or indeed cover the ground they do very spectacularly...

I wonder if these albums were not u2 if people would rate them at all...

If you are gonna put a band on a pedestal and call them 'the best' call work 'great' etc then there has to a cogent argument to do so...i just don't see one for u2 post Pop and whilst of course it is subjective I am interested to know on what grounds those who think u2's work post Pop is great are basing their views on......because all i hear is a tiny amount of good work, a whole raft of really uninspired mediocre middle of the road work and a lot of very poor work.......certainly not work worthy of a band as acclaimed as u2 are...

Is this really the music of an all time great band or a best of all time band?....
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Thunder Peel on December 13, 2016, 11:25:07 AM
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Question i have is this...as u2 are lauded as being one of the all time greats and of course this is a forum where many of the bands biggest fans can be found can you really hand on heart look at the bands post Pop output and say it is truly great?...you know the kind of stuff that sits head and shoulders above what other artists are doing and shows u2 leading the way in terms of their output, how innovative it is, how influential it is and how inspiring it is..?

My 'beef' with u2 in the last 20 years is that they have produced very ordinary records that have little to no innovation, do not really break any new ground or indeed cover the ground they do very spectacularly...

I wonder if these albums were not u2 if people would rate them at all...

If you are gonna put a band on a pedestal and call them 'the best' call work 'great' etc then there has to a cogent argument to do so...i just don't see one for u2 post Pop and whilst of course it is subjective I am interested to know on what grounds those who think u2's work post Pop is great are basing their views on......because all i hear is a tiny amount of good work, a whole raft of really uninspired mediocre middle of the road work and a lot of very poor work.......certainly not work worthy of a band as acclaimed as u2 are...

Is this really the music of an all time great band or a best of all time band?....

As you said, it's subjective and different people will connect with different things. I can't fathom how people can connect with Nickelback or Kanye West but they have fans who find their music attractive and they have their reasons for it.

I'm in the minority here who enjoys the band's recent output and still listens to it frequently. You're correct that much of that work hasn't been a reinvention or pushed their sound forward, though I don't think a song has to revolutionary to be good. Some of my favorite artists (Foo Fighters, Weezer, Nada Surf, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen) haven't radically altered their sound in decades but continue to release compelling material. For me a good song is a good song, regardless of genre or innovation. I also wonder where else the band can really go from here, considering their first two decades covered a wide variety of influences and ideas. What truly original ground is left for the band to mine at this point? There's simply no way that they can win now---anything they do will be criticized and picked apart to the point where no one seems happy. We will never get another Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby, so does that mean the band should hang it up?

If their career started with ATYCLB I'm sure we wouldn't be talking about legendary status but that doesn't negate those records or their merits. Most of the long-running bands, from U2 to Metallica to The Rolling Stones, are riding high on their early material. It's unreasonable to expect men in their 50's to recapture the youthful energy and passion of their 20's. That doesn't mean we can't grow with them and keep an open mind to what avenues they may explore.

I can't explain why the soaring chorus of Miracle Drug resonates with me, or why I find joy in pop songs like Wild Honey or In a Little While. I listened to NLOTH on repeat for months and months after it was released. I loved those tours and have many fond memories from them. Does that mean my taste is bad? Maybe it is, but I know what I like and I try to approach each effort with an open mind and open heart. As long as U2 writes something that speaks to me then I'll continue to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 13, 2016, 01:48:57 PM
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Question i have is this...as u2 are lauded as being one of the all time greats and of course this is a forum where many of the bands biggest fans can be found can you really hand on heart look at the bands post Pop output and say it is truly great?...you know the kind of stuff that sits head and shoulders above what other artists are doing and shows u2 leading the way in terms of their output, how innovative it is, how influential it is and how inspiring it is..?

My 'beef' with u2 in the last 20 years is that they have produced very ordinary records that have little to no innovation, do not really break any new ground or indeed cover the ground they do very spectacularly...

I wonder if these albums were not u2 if people would rate them at all...

If you are gonna put a band on a pedestal and call them 'the best' call work 'great' etc then there has to a cogent argument to do so...i just don't see one for u2 post Pop and whilst of course it is subjective I am interested to know on what grounds those who think u2's work post Pop is great are basing their views on......because all i hear is a tiny amount of good work, a whole raft of really uninspired mediocre middle of the road work and a lot of very poor work.......certainly not work worthy of a band as acclaimed as u2 are...

Is this really the music of an all time great band or a best of all time band?....

As you said, it's subjective and different people will connect with different things. I can't fathom how people can connect with Nickelback or Kanye West but they have fans who find their music attractive and they have their reasons for it.

I'm in the minority here who enjoys the band's recent output and still listens to it frequently. You're correct that much of that work hasn't been a reinvention or pushed their sound forward, though I don't think a song has to revolutionary to be good. Some of my favorite artists (Foo Fighters, Weezer, Nada Surf, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen) haven't radically altered their sound in decades but continue to release compelling material. For me a good song is a good song, regardless of genre or innovation. I also wonder where else the band can really go from here, considering their first two decades covered a wide variety of influences and ideas. What truly original ground is left for the band to mine at this point? There's simply no way that they can win now---anything they do will be criticized and picked apart to the point where no one seems happy. We will never get another Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby, so does that mean the band should hang it up?

If their career started with ATYCLB I'm sure we wouldn't be talking about legendary status but that doesn't negate those records or their merits. Most of the long-running bands, from U2 to Metallica to The Rolling Stones, are riding high on their early material. It's unreasonable to expect men in their 50's to recapture the youthful energy and passion of their 20's. That doesn't mean we can't grow with them and keep an open mind to what avenues they may explore.

I can't explain why the soaring chorus of Miracle Drug resonates with me, or why I find joy in pop songs like Wild Honey or In a Little While. I listened to NLOTH on repeat for months and months after it was released. I loved those tours and have many fond memories from them. Does that mean my taste is bad? Maybe it is, but I know what I like and I try to approach each effort with an open mind and open heart. As long as U2 writes something that speaks to me then I'll continue to enjoy it.

There is of course no right or wrong answers and I am genuinely interested to hear different peoples views on things...

Art is of course as we have said subjective and one mans poison is different to another mans - In terms of pushing boundaries, being inventive etc it is there where I am most disappointed in and critical of u2...it is for me like they have actually regressed and now make very safe, mundane music with very obvious arrangements etc...they never used to, they used to have a broad palate and they used to have a unique sound, an atmosphere and a feel that was difficult to pigeon hole but was compelling and nuanced...clever and different....post Pop they have for me been by and large just very, very dull formulaic and so unadventurous..

When I think of the artists who have been making records that excite me I hear risk taking, use of different instruments, unusual arrangements, depth and nuance - things that have been in short supply for me from u2 post Pop.

It is hard to articulate exactly what I mean and I really don't want to just be seen as having a pop being anti u2 etc....as I say I am genuinely interested to know what it is others are hearing that I am not - why the bands work post Pop is great to them.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: georgemccauley on December 13, 2016, 06:41:23 PM
Vertigo and Beautiful Day were two tracks that sent a powerful statement when ATYCLB and HTDAAB were released.

Being 23 years of age it was their albums since 2000 which I have grown up with. ATYCLB remains one of my favorite ever U2 records with just brilliant track after track. The songwriting and especially the return to basics make this a special album for me.

I've always had a soft spot for the heavier guitar side of U2 and with HTDAAB labeled as their first real Rock record, again this is a solid album. Crumbs from Your Table is such an underrated track. The riff and the vocal melody really stand out in this one, would love to hear that one live.

In early 2009 I visited family in Waterford, Ireland and it just so happens that it coincided with the release of NLOTH. From the moment I heard Magnificent I thought this could be U2's finest body of work for years. Not to much negative thoughts to mention on this record. The only track I find myself skipping is White as Snow and occasionally Cedars of Lebanon. Breathe happens to be one of my favorite all time U2 tracks. And I really did not understand why the album didn't sell as well as expected, im glad the tour more than made up for it.

To summarize, NLOTH is my favorite album since 2000 full of great ideas and it proves, when U2 experiment, they always deliver the goods. Brian Eno did a great job here too


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Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 13, 2016, 06:52:26 PM
I agree, George, I think NLOTH is a great album.  It wasn't marketed as well as it could have been, plus it's themes often appeal to an older demographic.  Cool for you that you can appreciate the depth of this work as a relatively young person.  I think Magnificent is a great song too--kind of a manifesto of Bono's calling in many respects.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: THRILLHO on December 13, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
wow i cant believe i agree with the results 100%
SOI
NLOTH
ATYCLB
HTDAAB

in the grand scheme of rankings i'd put the post-Pop like this

SOI
R&H
NLOTH
Boy
ATYCLB
HTDAAB
Oct
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: an tha on December 14, 2016, 01:34:28 AM
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I agree, George, I think NLOTH is a great album.  It wasn't marketed as well as it could have been, plus it's themes often appeal to an older demographic.  Cool for you that you can appreciate the depth of this work as a relatively young person.  I think Magnificent is a great song too--kind of a manifesto of Bono's calling in many respects.

what do you mean by 'wasn't marketed as well as it could have been'?
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Post by: Thunder Peel on December 14, 2016, 08:39:22 AM
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I agree, George, I think NLOTH is a great album.  It wasn't marketed as well as it could have been, plus it's themes often appeal to an older demographic.  Cool for you that you can appreciate the depth of this work as a relatively young person.  I think Magnificent is a great song too--kind of a manifesto of Bono's calling in many respects.

what do you mean by 'wasn't marketed as well as it could have been'?

Having GOYB as a lead single didn't help. The band did some nice promotional appearances but it didn't seem like the general public was as aware of this record as they had been with previous releases. That may be what they're getting at.
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Post by: an tha on December 14, 2016, 10:14:25 AM
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I agree, George, I think NLOTH is a great album.  It wasn't marketed as well as it could have been, plus it's themes often appeal to an older demographic.  Cool for you that you can appreciate the depth of this work as a relatively young person.  I think Magnificent is a great song too--kind of a manifesto of Bono's calling in many respects.

what do you mean by 'wasn't marketed as well as it could have been'?

Having GOYB as a lead single didn't help. The band did some nice promotional appearances but it didn't seem like the general public was as aware of this record as they had been with previous releases. That may be what they're getting at.

It was promoted very heavily here in the uk....to the point where the BBC got a rebuke over just how much promotion it gave it...quite rightly so as well I hasten to add.

The BBC = U2 thing was cringweworthy and typical sledgehammer approach from the band - the concert on the roof a flop too.....


The BBC today admitted that it breached its guidelines in promoting U2's latest album, No Line on the Horizon, and that altering its logo to "U2=BBC" was inappropriate.

The corporation's editorial complaints unit said coverage of last year's album launch, which included a concert on the roof of Broadcasting House, amounted to "undue prominence for commercial products or organisations" and breached BBC editorial guidelines.

It said the use of the slogan U2=BBC "gave an inappropriate impression of endorsement", and said a reference to the BBC being "part of launching this new album", in an interview between Zane Lowe and U2's Bono on BBC Radio 1, was inappropriate.

Critics complained at the time of the launch, last February, that the BBC had given the band millions of pounds' worth of free publicity across TV, radio and online.

The commercial radio trade body, the RadioCentre, made a formal complaint. Conservative MP Nigel Evans said it was "the sort of publicity money can't buy. Why should licence fee-payers shoulder the cost of U2's publicity?"

But complaints about an edition of Jo Whiley's Radio 1 show, and a BBC News online report of the U2 concert on the roof of Broadcasting House, were not upheld.

The complaints unit said its findings had been discussed at the Radio 1 and sister station 1Xtra editorial meeting.

It added: "In addition, the Radio 1 leadership team have reminded executive producers and presenters about the issues to be considered in relation to judgments about undue prominence, and the distinction between the reporting of new artistic work and commercial promotion.

"The management of BBC marketing, communication and audiences (the division responsible for the U2=BBC graphic) has reminded all staff of the need to consult the editorial policy team in a timely manner for advice when potentially sensitive issues such as commercial interests are involved. A session on working with third parties will be included in marketing, communication and audiences monthly editorial issues training programme."


"We acknowledge the findings and have taken note for the future," a BBC spokesman said.

The unit also upheld a complaint from the RadioCentre about the BBC's coverage of a tour by Coldplay. The "Radio 1 presents Coldplay" website included a link to the websites of ticket agents, which the unit said was "not in keeping with the BBC's guidelines on links to external websites".

Previously, the BBC fair trading committee upheld a complaint about the Radio 1 promotion of Coldplay.

The U2 ruling marks the second rebuke for Radio 1 this week, with the editorial complaints unit ruling that a Radio 1 interview with two British National party members was not rigorous enough.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/jan/13/bbc-u2-promotion

Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: John Galt on December 14, 2016, 10:19:33 AM
Well it's who you know.

Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Rasmus on December 14, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
1. ATYCLB
2. SOI
3. HTDAAB
4. NLOTH

I also dont get why so many praise NLOTH as an experimental album. It is plain pop-rock except two-three songs. If anything it is just weird pop songs.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 14, 2016, 05:34:52 PM
As I remember, they marketed "Boots" as the first single, which really wasn't reflective of the work as a whole.  Eno wanted their lead off single to be "Moment of Surrender" as I recall.  As any baseball fan can tell you, the lead off hit is critical to any rally.
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Post by: Blueyedboy on December 14, 2016, 06:26:06 PM
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As I remember, they marketed "Boots" as the first single, which really wasn't reflective of the work as a whole.  Eno wanted their lead off single to be "Moment of Surrender" as I recall.  As any baseball fan can tell you, the lead off hit is critical to any rally.

That would make sense. Boots should never have seen the light of day unless as a B Side or hidden track, who knows, it could possibly have cult status by now.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Dali on December 15, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
ATYCLB. It's my favourite album by this band on songcraft alone, their peek as songwriters (for the time being).

Their follow-up single to that great album, "Electrical Storm", indicated that they might go in a direction they hinted at on the "Million Dollar Hotel" soundtrack next. We all know that they did not and that they hit a songwriting slump instead, from which they have had to work hard to recover, over the course of the next 3 albums. But their still current album is proof enough that recover, they did.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: TheRealThing on December 21, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
I am in the minority that believes NLOTH is one of U2's best albums
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on December 21, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
The more guitar heavy the album and the more the lyrics can relate - the better the album.

A U2 song that has both is great, a U2 song that has one or the other is ok, and a U2 song that has neither is not so good.

Using this logic, one can determine which album since 2000 is the best by looking at the tracklist of each album and counting how many great, good, and no so good songs an album has.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 22, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
NLOTH for certain.
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Post by: il_capo on December 22, 2016, 02:49:40 PM
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NLOTH for certain.

I was quite excited about NLOTH when it came out - it seemed a nod in the direction of their more ambient and best work.  However, I can't pretend I play it much anymore.  It has promise but I think they compromised, seeking to mix in the experimental stuff with poppy stuff that would give them hits.  Stand Up Comedy is one of their worst songs ever.  On the other hand I do like White As Snow, Fez and Breathe.  I'm glad they made the album but wish they'd trusted their artistic instincts more, rather than trying to second guess what'd get them airplay.
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Post by: pfctsqr on December 23, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
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I agree, George, I think NLOTH is a great album.  It wasn't marketed as well as it could have been, plus it's themes often appeal to an older demographic.  Cool for you that you can appreciate the depth of this work as a relatively young person.  I think Magnificent is a great song too--kind of a manifesto of Bono's calling in many respects.

what do you mean by 'wasn't marketed as well as it could have been'?

Having GOYB as a lead single didn't help. The band did some nice promotional appearances but it didn't seem like the general public was as aware of this record as they had been with previous releases. That may be what they're getting at.

I don't think it mattered what song would have been released as a lead single. There is no way that album was going to have a presence in the pop culture of post 2000.  I don't think it is even possible anymore for U2 to have a hugely successful album. They do not relate to today's youth and  they ran out of good ideas a long long time ago.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 24, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
If you believe they ran out of good ideas a long time ago, then why do you come to this forum?  Just curious.....
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: pfctsqr on December 24, 2016, 05:35:35 AM
Been years actually.  Heard there was a new album coming out. Was curious  to see if there was any word that it might be something to look forward to.  I think it's likely it won't be any good.  I will certainly listen before I buy.   Obviously that's what I did with SOI. I gave it two listens and erased it from my phone.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 24, 2016, 01:01:17 PM
Well, you certainly missed out on "The Troubles" for sure.  For me that was the only great tune, although others were very good too.  I'm thinking especially of "Miracle" and "Volcano".
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: THRILLHO on December 24, 2016, 02:57:42 PM
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Been years actually.  Heard there was a new album coming out. Was curious  to see if there was any word that it might be something to look forward to.  I think it's likely it won't be any good.  I will certainly listen before I buy.   Obviously that's what I did with SOI. I gave it two listens and erased it from my phone.

if they didn't win you back with SOI yea don't bother with the next one.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: pfctsqr on December 24, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 24, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
Joey Ramone was Bono's musical idol who gave him the notion that he could sing, even though he didn't think his voice fit in with the times.  The miracle was that Bono found a mentor at a time when he was adrift.  At least that's how I took it.  Then I suppose it opened up other miracles in his life:  Ali, finding faith, finding a band and mates, etc.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: THRILLHO on December 24, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
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The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.

I can agree with your Miracle criticisms but yea Troubles is amazing and Volcano is ok def not my fav.

Honestly i took his name in the song as a tribute to him since he loved U2 and he had recently died when the album came out. My time table may be off but i think he died a few months or so before the album so i took the title as a dedication to him, not like the song sounds punk or references Ramone in the lyrics.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: xy on December 25, 2016, 05:53:25 AM
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Question i have is this...as u2 are lauded as being one of the all time greats and of course this is a forum where many of the bands biggest fans can be found can you really hand on heart look at the bands post Pop output and say it is truly great?...you know the kind of stuff that sits head and shoulders above what other artists are doing and shows u2 leading the way in terms of their output, how innovative it is, how influential it is and how inspiring it is..?

My 'beef' with u2 in the last 20 years is that they have produced very ordinary records that have little to no innovation, do not really break any new ground or indeed cover the ground they do very spectacularly...

I wonder if these albums were not u2 if people would rate them at all...

If you are gonna put a band on a pedestal and call them 'the best' call work 'great' etc then there has to a cogent argument to do so...i just don't see one for u2 post Pop and whilst of course it is subjective I am interested to know on what grounds those who think u2's work post Pop is great are basing their views on......because all i hear is a tiny amount of good work, a whole raft of really uninspired mediocre middle of the road work and a lot of very poor work.......certainly not work worthy of a band as acclaimed as u2 are...

Is this really the music of an all time great band or a best of all time band?....

Personally I'd like at least one more album as good as JT or AB before I call U2 one of the all time greats, and this is looking at their full work. They are too inconsistent for that. I mean if we look at the presumed big 5 in rock (Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who)....Studio wise are they up there ? Bono/Edge up there with Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, R. Waters and Townshend in songwriting ?

Live, certainly they can claim to being one of the best of all time. Combine their performances, Bono being one of the best frontmen and their groundbreaking tours.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: A_Fly_On_The_Wall on December 25, 2016, 06:58:39 AM
1. NLOTH
2. HTDAAB
3. SOI
4. ATYCLB

All four of these albums are in my top 6 favourite U2 albums ever. I LOVE their post 2000's output and listen to all of these on a regular basis  :)
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 25, 2016, 05:02:02 PM
     I personally think that NLOTH was ahead of its time and may be critically lauded at some point in the future.  Kind of like how "It's a Wonderful Life" was dissed in its day and later came to have a life of its own.
     As for whether U2 can be counted amongst the greats, I would say that they definitely can, especially on the strength of Bono's lyrical skill and vocal passion combined with Edge's instrumental innovation.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on December 26, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
Even though I voted for Songs of Innocence, I'm surprised to see How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb coming in last place on this poll.

I guess a lot of people feel like whomever wrote this list:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst

Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: DulmoU2 on December 26, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
ATYCLB
HTDAAB
NLOTH
SOI

release order i suppose. I really like all of them, did not expect all this negativity towards HTDAAB to be honest.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Thunder Peel on December 27, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
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Even though I voted for Songs of Innocence, I'm surprised to see How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb coming in last place on this poll.

I guess a lot of people feel like whomever wrote this list:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst



This forum is pretty hostile towards 2000's U2, especially Bomb. I love the album but I'm definitely in the minority here.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 27, 2016, 08:49:24 PM
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Personally I'd like at least one more album as good as JT or AB before I call U2 one of the all time greats, and this is looking at their full work. They are too inconsistent for that. I mean if we look at the presumed big 5 in rock (Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who)....Studio wise are they up there ? Bono/Edge up there with Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, R. Waters and Townshend in songwriting ?

Live, certainly they can claim to being one of the best of all time. Combine their performances, Bono being one of the best frontmen and their groundbreaking tours.

I would say at this point, U2 are a slight notch below the likes of the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin. I love the Who, but I'm not sure I'd put them in the same category as the Beatles and Stones. Another great album or two and they'd be close to but definitely not better than the Beatles and Stones. I would also say that U2 have aged far better than the Stones (who really haven't made anything good since the early 80s).

In terms of tours, yes, they are definitely one of the best live bands of all time, both in terms of entertainment, performance, and commercial success. You don't have the biggest tour of all time with a mediocre live show.

I should note that I'm not a huge fan of the Beatles or Stones, but as a musician I respect them and their high ranking.

As far as their post-Pop output (to answer an tha's question), the thing about U2 is that they've changed their sound many times throughout their career. There are some fans who enjoy all of the different sounds, some who jumped ship after AB, some who jumped ship after ATYCLB etc. This does not mean that the albums themselves are poor or lesser quality than earlier albums (so much of music is subjective), it just means that some fans don't like the 00s stuff.

There is a reason why people loved ATYCLB and HTDAAB. The albums had some incredibly well crafted pop rock songs. Pop rock isn't really my thing, so I don't like these albums as much as their late 80s/all 90s output, but they are still good songs. To call them uninspired or ordinary...well, I'd have to disagree with this because if they were, you wouldn't have so many fans (both casual and die hard U2 fans) who love those albums. You also wouldn't have so many critics who reviewed those albums so favorably.

I will agree that NLOTH was pretty uninspired in parts and that it was also extremely overproduced which wrecked songs that had potential. SoI was better in that it wasn't as overproduced and seemed to be more inspired, but still would have benefitted from less emphasis on achieving a pop music hit.

It will be interesting to see where they go with SoE. It very well could be a great album....or it could be another forced attempt at achieving pop music relevance.

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Even though I voted for Songs of Innocence, I'm surprised to see How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb coming in last place on this poll.

I guess a lot of people feel like whomever wrote this list:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst



This forum is pretty hostile towards 2000's U2, especially Bomb. I love the album but I'm definitely in the minority here.

Count me in the minority, too. ATYCLB and Bomb are very enjoyable albums if you listen to them without comparing them to U2's past albums.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: John Galt on December 27, 2016, 11:01:22 PM
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I would also say that U2 have aged far better than the Stones (who really haven't made anything good since the early 80s).

The Stones have about twenty years on U2.  I would say that Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge, Bridges to Babylon and A Bigger Bang are all better albums than ATYCLB and A-Bomb.  None of those Stones albums have songs quite as good as Cedars and SLABT though.

Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 28, 2016, 09:37:50 AM
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I would also say that U2 have aged far better than the Stones (who really haven't made anything good since the early 80s).

The Stones have about twenty years on U2.  I would say that Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge, Bridges to Babylon and A Bigger Bang are all better albums than ATYCLB and A-Bomb.  None of those Stones albums have songs quite as good as Cedars and SLABT though.

I'll give those ones another listen and see if my opinion has changed. It's been a while since I dove into the Stones music.

Cedars seems to get a lot of love around these forums. I like it, but I'm not sure I'd count it as one of their best. Again, though, it's been a while since I've listened to NLOTH so perhaps I'll give that one another listen as too.

SLABT has grown on me. Definitely very haunting, good song.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: il_capo on December 28, 2016, 11:11:26 AM
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Personally I'd like at least one more album as good as JT or AB before I call U2 one of the all time greats, and this is looking at their full work. They are too inconsistent for that. I mean if we look at the presumed big 5 in rock (Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who)....Studio wise are they up there ? Bono/Edge up there with Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant, R. Waters and Townshend in songwriting ?

Live, certainly they can claim to being one of the best of all time. Combine their performances, Bono being one of the best frontmen and their groundbreaking tours.

I would say at this point, U2 are a slight notch below the likes of the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin. I love the Who, but I'm not sure I'd put them in the same category as the Beatles and Stones. Another great album or two and they'd be close to but definitely not better than the Beatles and Stones. I would also say that U2 have aged far better than the Stones (who really haven't made anything good since the early 80s).

In terms of tours, yes, they are definitely one of the best live bands of all time, both in terms of entertainment, performance, and commercial success. You don't have the biggest tour of all time with a mediocre live show.

I should note that I'm not a huge fan of the Beatles or Stones, but as a musician I respect them and their high ranking.

As far as their post-Pop output (to answer an tha's question), the thing about U2 is that they've changed their sound many times throughout their career. There are some fans who enjoy all of the different sounds, some who jumped ship after AB, some who jumped ship after ATYCLB etc. This does not mean that the albums themselves are poor or lesser quality than earlier albums (so much of music is subjective), it just means that some fans don't like the 00s stuff.

There is a reason why people loved ATYCLB and HTDAAB. The albums had some incredibly well crafted pop rock songs. Pop rock isn't really my thing, so I don't like these albums as much as their late 80s/all 90s output, but they are still good songs. To call them uninspired or ordinary...well, I'd have to disagree with this because if they were, you wouldn't have so many fans (both casual and die hard U2 fans) who love those albums. You also wouldn't have so many critics who reviewed those albums so favorably.

I will agree that NLOTH was pretty uninspired in parts and that it was also extremely overproduced which wrecked songs that had potential. SoI was better in that it wasn't as overproduced and seemed to be more inspired, but still would have benefitted from less emphasis on achieving a pop music hit.

It will be interesting to see where they go with SoE. It very well could be a great album....or it could be another forced attempt at achieving pop music relevance.

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Even though I voted for Songs of Innocence, I'm surprised to see How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb coming in last place on this poll.

I guess a lot of people feel like whomever wrote this list:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst



This forum is pretty hostile towards 2000's U2, especially Bomb. I love the album but I'm definitely in the minority here.

Count me in the minority, too. ATYCLB and Bomb are very enjoyable albums if you listen to them without comparing them to U2's past albums.

I think U2 had a 20-year period where they made very good music, 1980-2000.  This is longer than any period managed by the Beatles, whose members’ solo efforts (with the exception of Plastic Ono Band) were somewhat disappointing.  The Stones made fantastic records 1963-1972.  Some would argue that Some Girls in 1978 was a classic album too, but that still gives us only 14 years making great records.  I wouldn't waste your time on the Stones 80s and 90s albums. 

As a live act U2 are still powerful after 40 years.  Watching the Stones playing songs like Can’t You Hear Me Knocking at Glastonbury you can see they’re still a class live act too.   But they do rely almost exclusively on material from the first 10 years of their career, just as The Who and Paul McCartney do as well. U2 haven’t yet become a nostalgia act, and that’s to their credit as I cannot think of any other mainstream act 3 or 4 decades into their career which is basing their act on recent recordings.

If U2’s 00 output was as bad as some on here state people would’ve lost interest and this forum would’ve died a death long ago; the lively critical debate shows their output continues to inspire interest and discussion, which is a pretty awesome achievement given they’ve been doing this for 40 years.

I’m rather expect they’ll strive for pop-relevance with SoE, but I hope not.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: georgemccauley on December 28, 2016, 07:01:46 PM
Great to see NLOH not coming in last at the moment. And equally nice to see SOI beating the likes of ATYCLB, although i prefer the latter
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: riffraff on December 29, 2016, 04:55:47 AM
I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: John Galt on December 29, 2016, 04:58:53 AM
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I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.

Of all those albums it is the best collection of individual songs and they seem to come together well as a coherent whole.  So it doesn't really surprise me.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: riffraff on December 29, 2016, 05:00:25 AM
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I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.

Of all those albums it is the best collection of individual songs and they seem to come together well as a coherent whole.  So it doesn't really surprise me.
That's all true, John...I just thought that Bomb would win this one. Silly me!
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: codeguy on December 29, 2016, 08:29:39 PM
I voted NLOTH, narrowly over SOI. HTDAAB could have been the best album since 2000, but I think they needed to go more aggressive on it.

I would have gone with:

1. Vertigo
2. Xanax and Wine
3. Are you gonna wait forever?
4. City of Blinding Lights
5. Sometimes you can't make it on your own
6. All because of you
7. Love and peace (or else)
8. Smile
9. Mercy
10. Yahweh
11. Original of the species
12. One step closer

Dropping Miracle drug, a man and a woman and crumbs from your table would have enabled them to release a solid EP follow up, while adding Mercy, Xanax and Wine, Smile and Forever, (albeit I'd have preferred a harder hitting version of Mercy) would have hardened the sound and focused the record.

The EP follow up could have been something like:

1. Native Son
2. Crumbs
3. AMAAW
4. Fast Cars
5. Miracle Drug
6. Neon Lights
7. Ave Maria


Now THAT would have been a solid effort
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 29, 2016, 11:10:52 PM
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I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.

Of all those albums it is the best collection of individual songs and they seem to come together well as a coherent whole.  So it doesn't really surprise me.
That's all true, John...I just thought that Bomb would win this one. Silly me!

Lots of hate for Bomb on these forums, for whatever reason. I've always enjoyed the album for what it is: a very well crafted pop rock album. SoI has grown on me, but I'd still rank ATYCLB and HTDAAB above it.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: riffraff on December 30, 2016, 04:34:39 AM
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I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.

Of all those albums it is the best collection of individual songs and they seem to come together well as a coherent whole.  So it doesn't really surprise me.
That's all true, John...I just thought that Bomb would win this one. Silly me!

Lots of hate for Bomb on these forums, for whatever reason. I've always enjoyed the album for what it is: a very well crafted pop rock album. SoI has grown on me, but I'd still rank ATYCLB and HTDAAB above it.
I know...I don't get the dislike for Bomb, either. I think it's great. It's not the first one I reach for, but it's quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: il_capo on December 30, 2016, 04:37:44 AM
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I was quite surprised that SOI is winning! It seemed to take a lot of grief, but now it's on top...at least out of these choices.

Of all those albums it is the best collection of individual songs and they seem to come together well as a coherent whole.  So it doesn't really surprise me.
That's all true, John...I just thought that Bomb would win this one. Silly me!

Lots of hate for Bomb on these forums, for whatever reason. I've always enjoyed the album for what it is: a very well crafted pop rock album. SoI has grown on me, but I'd still rank ATYCLB and HTDAAB above it.
I know...I don't get the dislike for Bomb, either. I think it's great. It's not the first one I reach for, but it's quite enjoyable.

I like HTDAAB when I listen to it but must admit I don't turn to it very often.  I still think ATYCLB is their best work this century, a cracking collection of songs. 
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Thunder Peel on December 30, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
I still think it's a shame they left Mercy off the album.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: pfctsqr on December 31, 2016, 05:01:38 AM
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Joey Ramone was Bono's musical idol who gave him the notion that he could sing, even though he didn't think his voice fit in with the times.  The miracle was that Bono found a mentor at a time when he was adrift.  At least that's how I took it.  Then I suppose it opened up other miracles in his life:  Ali, finding faith, finding a band and mates, etc.


I know all of that, but the problem is none of it is in the song.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: pfctsqr on December 31, 2016, 05:17:38 AM
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The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.

I can agree with your Miracle criticisms but yea Troubles is amazing and Volcano is ok def not my fav.

Honestly i took his name in the song as a tribute to him since he loved U2 and he had recently died when the album came out. My time table may be off but i think he died a few months or so before the album so i took the title as a dedication to him, not like the song sounds punk or references Ramone in the lyrics.

He died in 2001. 
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 31, 2016, 08:09:08 AM
I'm not a very literal person, so the fact he wasn't in the song didn't bother me.  My favorite artwork is impressionism, artists like Mary Cassatt, Degas, etc.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on January 14, 2017, 06:06:24 AM
SOI winning this poll shows that U2 still have got it!  Their best album according to this since the 1990s.

Hopefully SOE will be even better (depending on this year's tinkering after the Joshua Tree tour.)

We'll have to do this poll again after SOE comes out.  Predictions that it will trump all these post 2000 albums?
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on January 14, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
I think it just means that SOI is their least offensive album since Pop.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on January 15, 2017, 07:03:40 AM
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I think it just means that SOI is their least offensive album since Pop.

What do you mean by least offensive? 

I'm guessing you mean there are fewer songs to skip on SOI. It has fewer with cringe worthy lyrics than the other albums.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: KenKaniff on January 15, 2017, 09:23:46 AM
1. All That You Can't Leave Behind
2. Songs of Innocence
3. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
4. No Line On The Horizon

I don't like NLOTH at all.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on January 15, 2017, 09:27:01 AM
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I think it just means that SOI is their least offensive album since Pop.

What do you mean by least offensive? 

I'm guessing you mean there are fewer songs to skip on SOI. It has fewer with cringe worthy lyrics than the other albums.
Yep, it's the best of the worst.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on January 15, 2017, 12:02:47 PM
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1. All That You Can't Leave Behind
2. Songs of Innocence
3. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
4. No Line On The Horizon

I don't like NLOTH at all.

I'm with you on that last point. I've a hard time ranking the other three, but I think I'd put SOI in top.


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Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: ian ryan on January 16, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, not even a contest.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: eddyjedi on January 17, 2017, 02:03:26 AM
ATYCLB for side A.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: U2boy14 on January 17, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb
No Line on The Horizon
Songs of Innocence
All That You Can't Leave Behind

I know, I'm in the minority LOL
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: NOLA Fly on January 17, 2017, 03:40:58 PM
Dogfight between ATYCLB and SOI.
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Post by: il_capo on January 17, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
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Dogfight between ATYCLB and SOI.

Yes.  I do wonder if 10 years from now SOI will be as far ahead of ATYCLB as it currently is.  I do, however, agree with the point that SOI stands together well as an album rather than just a collection of songs.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: jonnydeaf on January 17, 2017, 05:57:29 PM
SOI - even the outtakes are good songs.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: DK46 on January 17, 2017, 08:26:11 PM
My gut says ATYCLB as that was my first U2 album and how I got into them.  Overtime, my fondness for it has faded, but I can still listen to it and it's soaked in nostalgia for me.  I do think there are some pretty good songs on it.  Still, those sessions yielded Stateless, TGBHF, Levitate, Love You Like Mad, Big Girls Are Best to name few, which I enjoy.

Out of those 4, I'm tempted to say Songs of Innocence is the strongest album, which has a very strong back half, side A not so much.  I also like the b-sides.  As many have pointed out, it's got the strongest collection of songs that work together as a whole. 

HTDAAB, I don't hate, but too polished and should've been more raw, plus Yahweh is just...yikes (and I actually enjoy Wild Honey). 

NLOTH has some really strong songs, but I wish they went further with it.  It's decent, but had more potential, so ultimately disappointing.   It's those middle three songs that bring it down a bit, perhaps the 2 EPs idea they originally had (Daylight/Darkness) was better. 

I guess, I'll say SOI is my favorite for now.   

On a separate note, I think NLOTH has my favorite cover art of their 00s albums, but that's not altogether a tough decision for me.
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: PopMofo97 on January 18, 2017, 08:02:47 AM
ATYCLB + SOI
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: emalvick on January 18, 2017, 05:10:35 PM
I guess for me SOI is the best of the worst.  It is the most consistent of the 4 albums.  HTDAAB should have less production, and they should have used the lyrics of Native Son or Xanax and Wine instead of Vertigo and Fast Cars.  NLOTH would easily be a top album if they hadn't included the middle third.  ATYCLB hasn't aged well for me (SOI might suffer the same fate as time moves on).

As for U2's greatness, it's very subjective.  I don't like comparing them to the Beatles, Stones, LZ, or PF.  They are of different eras with different styles, peers, and so on.  The question should be whether they will be seen as the best of their generation or era.  They will be ranked up there with Springsteen, and perhaps few others (I don't want to intermix the 90's yet because there are a lot of great albums, but I am not sure with regard to great bands).   

To use the bad aspects of the last 10 years to say whether U2 is or isn't a great, is a disservice.  Most bands are not good at their latter years, even LZ was not that great with their last 4 albums compared to their peak anyway. 

I'm not entirely sure U2 is that bad with the last 4 albums other than they seem really bad compared to the 90's.  I do think that when time goes on, U2 will be seen as great for more than JT and AB.  TUF, Boy, and War will be seen as all time great rock albums, and as diehard fans, we'll see arguments that Zooropa and Pop are among U2's greatest too.  They will deservedly be mentioned in at least a similar breath as the Rolling Stones or any of the previous greats, even if they are not quite to their stature.  U2 are realistically probably of a similar level as the Who, which I like better than many of the other 60's and 70's greats anyway. 

In the end, how much should it matter to us.  We all like what we like.  There are plenty of cringeworthy artists and albums that I like.  So be it.  We were all young, and the music of our youth tends to stick with us to some extent, even when it may be bad. 
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Post by: elevation360 on January 18, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
Of the four, NLOTH is the only one I can't stand.

I was a preteen when HTDAAB came out, so the Vertigo/iPod thing was huge. I feel a similar nostalgia for ATYCLB. SOI surprised me and has become one of my favorite U2 records of all time. I'm new to the forum, but I expect some major bashing for that.
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Post by: mofospacejunk on January 18, 2017, 06:17:19 PM
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CoL is for me by far the best song on NLOTH.....it is just a shame that the album is so uneven, so unfocused and had such dogs shoehorned onto it like the abomination that is Crazy Tonight...Will I Am must have been laughing his bo****ks off..


Had the band been brave enough to put more stuff like CoL on NLOTH it would have been a good album.

NLOTH would've been perfect if they:

1. Dumped Stand-Up Comedy and Crazy, and replaced with Winter, and a more developed Soon
2. Took some of the production out of Magnificent
3. Used a different mix of Boots, e.g. Something closer to the Fish Out of Water Mix.
4. Made MoS the lead single

Sure, that's a lot of 'IFs', but IMO, that would've made NLOTH the best album since PoP. That said, it probably is anyway.
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Post by: Johnny Feathers on January 19, 2017, 01:15:55 PM
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Of the four, NLOTH is the only one I can't stand.

I was a preteen when HTDAAB came out, so the Vertigo/iPod thing was huge. I feel a similar nostalgia for ATYCLB. SOI surprised me and has become one of my favorite U2 records of all time. I'm new to the forum, but I expect some major bashing for that.

Nah, nobody should bash you for liking SOI.  Or any album, for that matter.  The forum should be friendly, even with differing opinions.

Besides, you've already stated you can't stand NLOTH, so you're already right on that point. :)
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Post by: eddyjedi on January 24, 2017, 04:07:29 PM
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The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.

I can agree with your Miracle criticisms but yea Troubles is amazing and Volcano is ok def not my fav.

Honestly i took his name in the song as a tribute to him since he loved U2 and he had recently died when the album came out. My time table may be off but i think he died a few months or so before the album so i took the title as a dedication to him, not like the song sounds punk or references Ramone in the lyrics.

He died in 2001.

I thought it was obvious the song is about hearing his
Voice for the first time and making bono want to become a singer in a band.
"The most beautiful sound id ever heard"
"Heard a song that made some sense out of the world"
"I was young, not dumb
Just wishing to be blinded
By you, brand new
And we were pilgrims on our way"

Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: andrewau2 on February 26, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
Although it is not perfect, I have to agree with the majority here that Songs of Innocence is their best since 2000 as an overall album.  The other three have some good songs and some not so good (e.g. "Kite" is great), but the theme of SOI helps elevate (no pun intended) the album over the others.
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Post by: eddyjedi on February 26, 2017, 12:06:43 PM
ATYCLB because it has so much joy in it.
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Post by: ZEROpartII on February 27, 2017, 07:07:54 PM
Imagine you knock off the best song off each album.

SOI is hands down still the most consistent listen
Title: Re: Favorite album since 2000?
Post by: bass slap on March 01, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
ATYCLB wasn't exactly my thing at the time. I had moved on musically in part thanks to u2 for introducing me to new sounds through their 90's experimental phase and had little interest in their direction change back then. In hind sight seems like a well put together album, stand out or at least identifiable singles (something they haven't had since) with common themes and Sonics running throughout giving the sense of a well accomplished and complete piece of work. Looking at it objectively if possible to do, I would say potentially the closest thing to a classic since AB and they have not produced a better album since.


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Post by: feedback on March 02, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
Songs of Innocence/No Line On the Horizon tie for me.
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Post by: CLarryG on March 08, 2017, 05:52:40 PM
NLOTH by far...
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Post by: Discothèque Slug 82 on March 13, 2017, 04:41:42 PM
I voted for the underdog of U2's 2000's albums...Atomic Bomb. I would've preferred to have had 'Smile' and 'Are You Gonna Wait Forever?' on the album in place of 'Crumbs' and 'Yahweh' but the rest of the album is killer material in my opinion. The album also came along at a time in my life when I was saying goodbye to some people and things that meant a lot to me so I have a really personal connection with it, it still hits me in the gut with every listen.

SOI is a close second mainly due to everything from 'Iris' onwards.
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Post by: very good on March 16, 2017, 10:22:24 PM
If we take Achtung baby as a 10/10....

ATYCLB 7/10
HTDAAB 6/10
NLOTH 6/10
SOI 2/10

SOI, for me, is a dreadful album and in 2 years I think it will have plummeted down a lot of people's lists. U2s biggest disappointment by miles. Bland, boring, cringeworthy, ridiculously personal (made worse by forcing it onto the world). Huge misstep and one that will take a massive turnaround.
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Post by: MadRob360 on March 17, 2017, 09:39:04 AM
I think i take each album based on what i think the band are going for at that particular time, So i generally enjoy the lads post PoP output. I think ATYCLB really took the band into the next phase after the 90's. Someone already mentioned, But U2 are in their 50's now, The constant comparisons to AB and JT must do their heads in, But that's the high standards they set themselves. Songs like 'Wild honey' get bashed on this forum but i love it, I think it's a great tune for the album it's on. SOI gets bashed because of the method of release, And some people will never be satisfied with the music no matter what U2 do. But i still very much enjoy kicking back with a drink and listening to NLOTH and HTDAAB. There's very little 'groundbreaking' left to do with music nowadays, I'm just happy the lads are still making new records and touring, Because for me, Almost anything U2 put out will be better than some of the s**t in the charts now. Thats my one problem, Is that to be 'relevant' U2 think they need a No.1. They don't. They just need to let themselves be a bit free in the studio and not over-think it. Make us an album in 3 months start to finish and just release it, no over-polishing! Looking forward to SOE and what that will bring :D
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Post by: missey on March 18, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
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I think i take each album based on what i think the band are going for at that particular time, So i generally enjoy the lads post PoP output. I think ATYCLB really took the band into the next phase after the 90's. Someone already mentioned, But U2 are in their 50's now, The constant comparisons to AB and JT must do their heads in, But that's the high standards they set themselves. Songs like 'Wild honey' get bashed on this forum but i love it, I think it's a great tune for the album it's on. SOI gets bashed because of the method of release, And some people will never be satisfied with the music no matter what U2 do. But i still very much enjoy kicking back with a drink and listening to NLOTH and HTDAAB. There's very little 'groundbreaking' left to do with music nowadays, I'm just happy the lads are still making new records and touring, Because for me, Almost anything U2 put out will be better than some of the s**t in the charts now. Thats my one problem, Is that to be 'relevant' U2 think they need a No.1. They don't. They just need to let themselves be a bit free in the studio and not over-think it. Make us an album in 3 months start to finish and just release it, no over-polishing! Looking forward to SOE and what that will bring :D

Well said, good post.
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Post by: mofospacejunk on March 28, 2017, 01:23:29 AM
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The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.

I can agree with your Miracle criticisms but yea Troubles is amazing and Volcano is ok def not my fav.

Honestly i took his name in the song as a tribute to him since he loved U2 and he had recently died when the album came out. My time table may be off but i think he died a few months or so before the album so i took the title as a dedication to him, not like the song sounds punk or references Ramone in the lyrics.

He died in 2001.

I thought it was obvious the song is about hearing his
Voice for the first time and making bono want to become a singer in a band.
"The most beautiful sound id ever heard"
"Heard a song that made some sense out of the world"
"I was young, not dumb
Just wishing to be blinded
By you, brand new
And we were pilgrims on our way"

So what's the connection between Bart and SBS since the link between Joey and The Miracle has been established?
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Post by: an tha on March 28, 2017, 03:23:01 AM
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I think i take each album based on what i think the band are going for at that particular time, So i generally enjoy the lads post PoP output. I think ATYCLB really took the band into the next phase after the 90's. Someone already mentioned, But U2 are in their 50's now, The constant comparisons to AB and JT must do their heads in, But that's the high standards they set themselves. Songs like 'Wild honey' get bashed on this forum but i love it, I think it's a great tune for the album it's on. SOI gets bashed because of the method of release, And some people will never be satisfied with the music no matter what U2 do. But i still very much enjoy kicking back with a drink and listening to NLOTH and HTDAAB. There's very little 'groundbreaking' left to do with music nowadays, I'm just happy the lads are still making new records and touring, Because for me, Almost anything U2 put out will be better than some of the s**t in the charts now. Thats my one problem, Is that to be 'relevant' U2 think they need a No.1. They don't. They just need to let themselves be a bit free in the studio and not over-think it. Make us an album in 3 months start to finish and just release it, no over-polishing! Looking forward to SOE and what that will bring :D

For me it all comes down to what we as listeners are looking for from music and in the case of u2, u2!

This is of course an individual thing and we are all different...I want to be challenged, I want to put a new album on from u2 or any artist I like and go 'wow this is something, this is something new, fresh, different' but even more than that I want to be challenged and stimulated.

I'll use PJ Harvey as an example - White Chalk in 07 was an album of introspective piano led almost chamber music!

Lifted from wiki where it is articulated better than I can..."The previous album Uh Huh Her had a raw sound[5] but for this record White Chalk, Rolling Stone's magazine noted that Harvey "delved further into a Goth-like vibe in the much quieter, haunting, piano-based music".[5] For this album she gave up the traditional three-piece sound guitar/bass/drums and recorded a set of songs for piano, despite her lack of expertise on the instrument. In an interview in The Wire she explained "the great thing about learning a new instrument from scratch is that it [...] liberates your imagination."[6]

Vocally, she sang in a much higher register than usual, at a pitch outside her normal range and "howled about being possessed by demon lovers and ghosts".[7] Lyrically, Harvey continued with the dark, moody themes typical of much of her music"....

She then returned 4 years later with the astonishing 'Let England Shake' - a war album that could be loosely called a folk album....with autoharp feauturing heavily.

Described perfectly in a review as:

"a set of songs strikingly different from what came before" and added that "its complexities make it one of Harvey's most cleverly crafted works."[24] Praising it as Harvey's "most affecting and impressive work so far", Mike Williams of NME wrote: "Francis Ford Coppola can lay claim to the war movie. Ernest Hemingway the war novel. Polly Jean Harvey, a 41-year-old from Dorset, has claimed the war album."...

Fast forward another 5 years and she is releasing an album that incorporates jazz and pyschedelia that is about housing projects in The USA!

An artist there pushing boundaries, crossing genres and tackling new instruments, new styles and themes....

U2 seem to have mired themselves firmly in a very safe, very predictable style and sound - a pop rock MOR safety net often with grand themes that aren't really saying much and at times the most vapid of subject matter.....the willingness to try new things to experiment, the braveness that once was their calling card seem neutered...

Of course not everyone wants to be challenged or to listen to songs with unusual structures, no choruses, sung in strange keys, using strange instruments etc and that is ok - we are all different....but i would love u2 to cut loose and do stuff like that...

I would love Edge to go and take a knife to the neck of his guitar and see what sounds he could create...I'd love Larry to play a time signature that was f***** up...etc....because i actually think u2 are and always have been a much better alternative act than they are a pop rock act and the odd flash they sometimes show in recent years of being more experimental backs that up for me....but they bury that work ala SLABT and release to the masses sh**e like SFS or more 'here is another big dumb rawk song ala Vertigo and Elevation' like The Miracle.

Nearly 20 years now of largely formulaic pop rock with the same old tricks, same old sound..  they can do better - but seem afraid to do so.

That is my take anyway...of course many, many will disgaree and are happy and love what u2 do - that is of course absolutely their right as much as it is mine to want something new, something more!
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Post by: tigerfan41 on March 28, 2017, 10:14:32 AM
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The Troubles is decent. Volcano opens with promise but is betrayed by an awful chorus. Miracle has way too many "Aaaaaah Oh"s.   And what the hell is Joey Ramone mentioned in the title for?  It has as much to do with Joey Ramone as Sunday  Bloody Sunday does with Bart Simpson.

I can agree with your Miracle criticisms but yea Troubles is amazing and Volcano is ok def not my fav.

Honestly i took his name in the song as a tribute to him since he loved U2 and he had recently died when the album came out. My time table may be off but i think he died a few months or so before the album so i took the title as a dedication to him, not like the song sounds punk or references Ramone in the lyrics.

He died in 2001.

I thought it was obvious the song is about hearing his
Voice for the first time and making bono want to become a singer in a band.
"The most beautiful sound id ever heard"
"Heard a song that made some sense out of the world"
"I was young, not dumb
Just wishing to be blinded
By you, brand new
And we were pilgrims on our way"

So what's the connection between Bart and SBS since the link between Joey and The Miracle has been established?

There was once a Simpsons episode titled "Sunday Cruddy Sunday" which was a tongue-in-cheek play off the song. U2 once co-starred in a Simpsons episode. U2 have been mentioned or somewhat featured in other Simpsons episodes, such as the time the Simpsons visited Ireland and saw a billboard for U2 Moving Company - they move in mysterious ways. In the Simpsons movie, one character meets a do-gooder Irish kid and asks who his father is after he says his dad is a famous Irish musician. He replies "it's not Bono!"

There's your loose connections.  ;)

Quite obviously, the link between Miracle and Joey Ramone is a lot stronger than the Bart/SBS link.  ;)
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Post by: aviastar on March 28, 2017, 12:48:59 PM
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An artist there pushing boundaries, crossing genres and tackling new instruments, new styles and themes....

U2 seem to have mired themselves firmly in a very safe, very predictable style and sound - a pop rock MOR safety net often with grand themes that aren't really saying much and at times the most vapid of subject matter.....the willingness to try new things to experiment, the braveness that once was their calling card seem neutered...

Of course not everyone wants to be challenged or to listen to songs with unusual structures, no choruses, sung in strange keys, using strange instruments etc and that is ok - we are all different....but i would love u2 to cut loose and do stuff like that...


Well, the clock hasn't run out yet - they may yet surprise you.  I give them some credit for at least trying on the Fez sessions and the result was some interesting musical concepts worked into the final product.  Unfortunately it seems like they put the clamp down on it real quick, cut bait and threw in a couple of real slipshod attempts at charting songs in the middle.

I appreciate your opinions but I also see a little bit of value in protecting the brand.  Yeah, it's safe...it's super business-like and calculated.  But I still think there is quite a bit left in the tank for U2, and I think SOI is on the whole a good album.  I also think there are some very shining moments on NLOTH.

I suppose I don't have a post-2000 favorite album...all four have very strong points and glaring flaws.  I tend towards NLOTH because I think it's underappreciated, but I also think SOI comes closest to a cohesive album but it's nothing like the tightness of albums like TUF and Achtung Baby, which are thematic and well constructed throughout.
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Post by: howyousawtheworld on March 31, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
Just listened to Moment of Surrender again.

Absolutely sensational piece of music.
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Post by: an tha on March 31, 2017, 10:15:25 AM
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Just listened to Moment of Surrender again.

Absolutely sensational piece of music.

and what do u2 choose to show the world in general in terms of that record?....
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Post by: howyousawtheworld on March 31, 2017, 01:21:33 PM
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Just listened to Moment of Surrender again.

Absolutely sensational piece of music.

and what do u2 choose to show the world in general in terms of that record?....

I know. Despairing. Nothing in my mind can come up with a hint of rationality as to why they did what they did, not just in terms of the lead single, but by forcing Stand Up Comedy and I'll Go Crazy on to the album. AND I hear they completely butchered a more creative Breathe as well. Why U2? Why?
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Post by: Nanda360 on March 31, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
What I'm sure is that NLOTH is my least fave. My today's fave is HTDAAB. But it changes quite frequently, specially after SOI.
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Post by: BalconyTV on April 07, 2017, 11:52:42 AM
NLOTH, no argument for me.

Don't have others hatred towards ATYCLB or Bomb. SOI is pretty bland to me. Its aging badly to me already.

NLOTH is much more interesting musically and lyrically. Its less obvious than the others. In a few years people will look back on it in a similar way to Pop.
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Post by: Achtung Ninja on April 07, 2017, 02:04:15 PM
It's a tight race between ATYCLB and HTDAAB, but I have to say Bomb.