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Title: I heard a rumor...
Post by: Waffles on December 31, 2016, 01:55:25 PM
I have a friend who knows someone who is in the entertainment industry. We had a long conversation about acts and one of them was u2. He told me some things that he has heard going around. 7-8 stadium shows in the USA this late spring. Supposedly it's not a tour and just special shows reusing the JT stage.

No clue how trustworthy he is though....
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: zoo world order on December 31, 2016, 02:03:41 PM
I think you're a bit late to the party mate 
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: Waffles on December 31, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
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I think you're a bit late to the party mate

I think you're unaware of what's known and unknown.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: wik73 on December 31, 2016, 02:20:50 PM
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I have a friend who knows someone who is in the entertainment industry. We had a long conversation about acts and one of them was u2. He told me some things that he has heard going around. 7-8 stadium shows in the USA this late spring. Supposedly it's not a tour and just special shows reusing the JT stage.

No clue how trustworthy he is though....
A specific number of shows and the reuse of JT stage is certainly new. Interesting.


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: dwaltman on December 31, 2016, 02:31:04 PM
I don't have a great memory of any JT stage. Wasn't it pretty minimal?
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: tigerfan41 on December 31, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
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I have a friend who knows someone who is in the entertainment industry. We had a long conversation about acts and one of them was u2. He told me some things that he has heard going around. 7-8 stadium shows in the USA this late spring. Supposedly it's not a tour and just special shows reusing the JT stage.

No clue how trustworthy he is though....

Now THIS sounds about right. It also goes right along with the Dodger Stadium speculation.

Question is, will they also have a continuation of the I&E tour in 2017? If they've got a new album to promote, they kind of need to tour it.

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I don't have a great memory of any JT stage. Wasn't it pretty minimal?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6184/6053900745_7b6e2b946d_b.jpg

Seems pretty minimal to me.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: riffraff on December 31, 2016, 03:42:42 PM
I seem to be having a deja vu moment...
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: peggy2ten on December 31, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
Just hope that if they only play a few stadiums for JT, they spread it around the country so all of us don't have to travel too far.  Atlanta or anywhere in Florida please.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on December 31, 2016, 04:23:15 PM
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I think you're a bit late to the party mate

I think you're unaware of what's known and unknown.

They say you got a broken heart.

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: DPardue on December 31, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
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I don't have a great memory of any JT stage. Wasn't it pretty minimal?

It was quite minimalist.  The band entered from underneath a very non nondescript stage.  For some shows they used a Joshua tree backdrop (perhaps only for stadium shows).  I saw them in a 9,000 seat arena on that tour so the staging was relatively small and there was no backdrop.  Personally I think a low key stage could really challenge them as performers and would be a welcomed change of pace to the theatrical and bombastic elements that have existed on the last few tours.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on December 31, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
If true, could imply that SOE isn't planned for release until after the TJT shows.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: briscoetheque on December 31, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
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Just hope that if they only play a few stadiums for JT, they spread it around the country so all of us don't have to travel too far.  Atlanta or anywhere in Florida please.
Actually Atlanta is a little inconvenient for me. And many others. Maybe something closer...
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Post by: Johnny_Mac12 on December 31, 2016, 07:30:26 PM
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Just hope that if they only play a few stadiums for JT, they spread it around the country so all of us don't have to travel too far.  Atlanta or anywhere in Florida please.
Actually Atlanta is a little inconvenient for me. And many others. Maybe something closer...
Atlanta won't have an NFL sized stadium in the summer. The new one won't be finished and the old one will be torn down soon. However, Georgia Tech's stadium is great for an outdoor rock show. I saw the Stones there, and it was awesome... a little smaller and no echo from the roof.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: briscoetheque on December 31, 2016, 07:31:40 PM
Still quite a commute.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: Johnny_Mac12 on December 31, 2016, 07:34:47 PM
Also, I don't think they would do Bonnaroo and Atlanta. They're too close to each other. They skipped Atlanta on the second US leg of 360 because they played Vanderbilt's stadium in Nashville.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: miryclay on December 31, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
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Just hope that if they only play a few stadiums for JT, they spread it around the country so all of us don't have to travel too far.  Atlanta or anywhere in Florida please.

They might do it in time frame and city location as the original 1987 run.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: KenpoMatt on December 31, 2016, 07:47:21 PM
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If true, could imply that SOE isn't planned for release until after the TJT shows.
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I don't have a great memory of any JT stage. Wasn't it pretty minimal?

It was quite minimalist.  The band entered from underneath a very non nondescript stage.  For some shows they used a Joshua tree backdrop (perhaps only for stadium shows).  I saw them in a 9,000 seat arena on that tour so the staging was relatively small and there was no backdrop.  Personally I think a low key stage could really challenge them as performers and would be a welcomed change of pace to the theatrical and bombastic elements that have existed on the last few tours.

Apparently, the stage used on the I&E tour is the old Joshua Tree stage minus the backdrop. I remember seeing that in an interview or reading it at the beginning of the tour.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: TheFlyMacphisto on December 31, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
Pencil me in for predicting the band talk themselves out of this idea.

I don't doubt the validity of this rumor at all, but if they pull this they come across as a bit of retro act, which I can't imagine Larry in particular would be very happy about.

I can see them doing a special appearance on TV, maybe one show where it is just The Joshua Tree, but touring to different stadiums with the JT stage while they look and sound 30 years older? I don't buy it.

Why not just make the "Innocence" portion of the upcoming I&E tour an hour of The Joshua Tree?

 
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: georgemccauley on December 31, 2016, 09:15:14 PM
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Pencil me in for predicting the band talk themselves out of this idea.

I don't doubt the validity of this rumor at all, but if they pull this they come across as a bit of retro act, which I can't imagine Larry in particular would be very happy about.

I can see them doing a special appearance on TV, maybe one show where it is just The Joshua Tree, but touring to different stadiums with the JT stage while they look and sound 30 years older? I don't buy it.

Why not just make the "Innocence" portion of the upcoming I&E tour an hour of The Joshua Tree?

I really do see this as the most realistic outcome, similar to what they did with the first half of 360 shows in 2011 where they made half of the set very AB heavy.

They could more than likely open up with the first half of the set very JT heavy even playing some of the tracks that they haven't played from that record in years. Then bringing the new material into the set in the second half.

Similar to what Springsteen did last year which a few people have already mentioned. I have a feeling that the 'Introduction to Songs of Experience' on the JT deluxe could be something to look out for.

Regarding the album i could definitely still see it being released before the tour commences I hope it's not released after the tour though.

All I hope is that they don't just play in America. Come to Europe please!!


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: PookaMacP on January 01, 2017, 01:51:52 AM
Just a guess, but to me it would make marketing sense to use a Joshua Tree celebration to re-ignite popular interest in the band - particularly among older generations who may have 'forgotten' about U2. Then. After a few weeks/months they should be able to ride that wave of publicity with a new single or two, before bringing out a new album.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: JFW on January 01, 2017, 02:49:59 AM
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If true, could imply that SOE isn't planned for release until after the TJT shows.

That's my fear... I don't want a Joshua-tour :'( Just a show could be enough.
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Just a guess, but to me it would make marketing sense to use a Joshua Tree celebration to re-ignite popular interest in the band - particularly among older generations who may have 'forgotten' about U2. Then. After a few weeks/months they should be able to ride that wave of publicity with a new single or two, before bringing out a new album.


Release Songs of Experience & lead single and make tour announcements voor IE-tour & Joshua shows in January. Doing Joshua shows around April, release other singles, and start IE-tour in May. This could also work out well
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: an tha on January 01, 2017, 08:52:49 AM
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Just a guess, but to me it would make marketing sense to use a Joshua Tree celebration to re-ignite popular interest in the band - particularly among older generations who may have 'forgotten' about U2. Then. After a few weeks/months they should be able to ride that wave of publicity with a new single or two, before bringing out a new album.

It is pretty clear to me that livenation/the band have copped on that a '30th anniversary' fuss for  u2's biggest selling and most well known album is a good way of reviving interest in the flagging u2 'brand'....

There will be a very large number of people who liked TJT who would struggle to name too many u2 albums after that or at best who would have a cursory knowledge of a few songs since who will go 'oh yeah TJT I liked that...i'll go and see that'

There will also be a large market of people who are in the 'u2 were great in the 80's but have done nothing much I like since' camp who will again come out for a nostalgia kick.

Pushing this anniversary is a pretty sure fire way of tapping into the nostalgia sells market and putting bums on seats as well as maybe helping sell any new music that is coming....so using the nostalgia thing as bait for new stuff.

It would be in my view Livenation pushing this as they look to maximise their return on the deal with u2 that they struck which they paid a lot of money for and they are going to push to draw every penny they can....the happy accident of u2 having new stuff to push in a year that coincides with an anniversary of the record of theirs that was loved by a demographic who are now probably the one with the most disposable income is just to good a money making opportunity to turn down.....and u2 will have been pretty much told 'get out their and sell' to that demographic...with the double whammy of nostalgia/new music and hopefully winning some extra sales for their new stuff from a demographic who had forgotten about them and who probably wouldn't have paid the new music any attention without the nostalgia push.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: dontwantwhatideserve on January 01, 2017, 09:38:47 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday. I agree with your point, but from a band benefit, this is a more organic/traditional (non-Apple) way to relaunch their "comeback". SOI was a fairly solid album, but the concept didn't fascinate anyone beyond fans...and the narrative wasn't a complex puzzle. I feel/hope that SOE is destined to be bold and interesting, because they need to catch attention...and can't keep retweaking their formula. They have to come out with confidence and use TJT as a tie-in to help people take notice.

Such an unrelated thing, but I see parallels with Nintendo. Launching a bold new system March 17. Their Classic NES helped reconnect with old fans, and now there is a lot of buzz. They could go has-beens to the top dogs...

Trump as president...the timing is good for U2 to speak out like TJT and use bold tech and satire (and confirm how they predicted this)...to tackle the present-day failure of truth. I hope this motivates them to come out strong, and I won't be surprised if SOE stays the name of the tour, but thevalbum name changes (please)...
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: miryclay on January 01, 2017, 09:43:35 AM
If the theme is 'experience'- a blanket U2 catch-all term if there was any-I suspect that it will have psuedo-religious undertones.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 09:44:32 AM
Pink Floyd and Roger Waters built shows around classic albums and did well at the box office.  So nostalgia does put bums on seats.  Whether the Joshua Tree would arouse as much nostalgia as Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall is another matter.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: an tha on January 01, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
Although i personally think it is ridiculously overrated as an album there is no doubt that it is seen as being 'The' u2 album with the masses/casual fans - and is very well regarded...

Those who were 20 when it came out are now 50 and in a general demographics thing probably have the most disposable income so they can lash out £200 a ticket quite nicely to go and relive something from their youth....add on the core u2 support which is loyal anyway and you have a box office smash....easy money really. Nostalgia is huge!
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 10:24:20 AM
'Very special shows' can mean anything in Bonospeak, but if they do a Joshua Tree 2.0 tour then I can't see them releasing a new album this year even if it has been finished.  Another reissue of the Joshua Tree would be appropriate.

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: zoo world order on January 01, 2017, 11:20:32 AM
The album has been officially announced as being released this year on U2.com so it would be hard to backtrack from that. I see album released in march followed by  half a dozen or so Joshua tree tribute shows in early spring followed by the full continuation of the I and E tour with the new songs.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 11:29:54 AM
I can't see U2 touring an album 30 years old when they have a brand new album out.  Talk about glorifying the past.  Their record company would want maximum promotion of the new product.

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 01, 2017, 12:30:04 PM
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Pink Floyd and Roger Waters built shows around classic albums and did well at the box office.  So nostalgia does put bums on seats.  Whether the Joshua Tree would arouse as much nostalgia as Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall is another matter.

As big of a U2 fan as I am, no way is TJT as highly thought of as The Wall or Dark Side of the Moon. Also, there is the scarcity factor--it's not every day that fans can see these Pink Floyd albums performed live since PF broke up, but U2 have been a band consistently for 40 years. They've never broken up and could very well tour on/off for the next 10-20 years. There's not as much of a pressing need for casual fans to see U2 at this point.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: people are overestimating the draw and appeal of TJT in 2017. Yes, it is a classic album and is considered by many to be THE U2 album, but it is not nearly as beloved as The Wall or Tommy. There is a reason why these album-centric nostalgia tours were so successful: they're very, very highly thought of and were smashes commercially and there's the scarcity factor. U2 have neither, which is why I think a full scale TJT tour is a massive mistake.

Also, U2 are coming off of the 360 tour which was the most successful tour in history. The formula of that tour? Greatest hits with some new songs mixed in to promote the new album at that time. It works. I don't know much about the I&E tour having not attended, but I am sure they were able to get a good number of people in the seats for that one, though obviously on a smaller scale than 360.

Very few bands/artists can pull off a single album nostalgia trip tour. U2 are not one of them.

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I can't see U2 touring an album 30 years old when they have a brand new album out.  Talk about glorifying the past.  Their record company would want maximum promotion of the new product.



This exactly. Commercially it is a failure across the board.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: an tha on January 01, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)
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Post by: georgemccauley on January 01, 2017, 02:09:01 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)

Do you think there's a chance they will do London?


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: an tha on January 01, 2017, 02:59:26 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)

Do you think there's a chance they will do London?


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if it isn't just an american thing then i would say a night at either wembley or the olympic stadium or maybe the emirates stadium as they have lower capacities would be a certainty...
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: riffraff on January 01, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
I think they really have to do Sun Devil Stadium. I mean, they REALLY HAVE to!
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 01, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)

Yes, something like this would work well. Play 5-8 US shows celebrating the album in all the main cities, play a few in Europe. Do that in the spring, release the new album in the spring/early summer, then tour it in the fall of 2017. Very doable and very special which fits in with what Bono said in the video. Best of both worlds for the fans and Live Nation alike. Shouldn't be too taxing on the band either if done properly.

Some people seem convinced that the TJT tour will be the only U2 tour in 2017, which makes no sense because they have a new album to promote and a world-wide multiple leg TJT anniversary tour would not work for all of the reasons stated.
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Post by: imaginary friend on January 01, 2017, 04:42:03 PM
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I think they really have to do Sun Devil Stadium. I mean, they REALLY HAVE to!

This "tour" should really only be 3 stadiums: Sun Devil Stadium, Feyenoord in Rotterdam, and Dublin's Croke Park.
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Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)

Yes, something like this would work well. Play 5-8 US shows celebrating the album in all the main cities, play a few in Europe. Do that in the spring, release the new album in the spring/early summer, then tour it in the fall of 2017. Very doable and very special which fits in with what Bono said in the video. Best of both worlds for the fans and Live Nation alike. Shouldn't be too taxing on the band either if done properly.

Some people seem convinced that the TJT tour will be the only U2 tour in 2017, which makes no sense because they have a new album to promote and a world-wide multiple leg TJT anniversary tour would not work for all of the reasons stated.

So they're going to build a new stage set and rehearse the entire Joshua Tree in order to play just a few shows?

They wouldn't be able to recoup their costs never mind turn a profit.

And they're going to confuse would be concert-goers with two completely separate tours in the space of one year?

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 01, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away with the scale of this JT 'tour'...My guess is it will be a smallish number of shows in biggish venues in strategic locations (so as to maximise the gate receipts)

Yes, something like this would work well. Play 5-8 US shows celebrating the album in all the main cities, play a few in Europe. Do that in the spring, release the new album in the spring/early summer, then tour it in the fall of 2017. Very doable and very special which fits in with what Bono said in the video. Best of both worlds for the fans and Live Nation alike. Shouldn't be too taxing on the band either if done properly.

Some people seem convinced that the TJT tour will be the only U2 tour in 2017, which makes no sense because they have a new album to promote and a world-wide multiple leg TJT anniversary tour would not work for all of the reasons stated.

So they're going to build a new stage set and rehearse the entire Joshua Tree in order to play just a few shows?

They wouldn't be able to recoup their costs never mind turn a profit.

And they're going to confuse would be concert-goers with two completely separate tours in the space of one year?

They still have TJT stage (someone else said it was used for I&E?). Why not reuse it? Or use the Vertigo stage since they reused that at Dreamfest. They've shown that they're willing to reuse stage setups.

In the video, they mention that 2017 will be a busy year, SoE is coming out, and they're planning some special shows to commemorate 30 years of TJT. The key here is the usage of special. No where was it mentioned that they'd do a full TJT tour, just that they'd do some special shows. It seems more logical to do a few shows to celebrate for the die hards and then a full regular greatest hits/new album tour for everyone (die hards and casuals alike).

A short 5-10 date TJT celebration is not anywhere in the ball park of a full, multiple leg tour. I also would say that they're better off doing arenas for the next tour and heck, even arenas or smaller venues for any TJT special shows. They can still make big bucks doing this without risking playing to half empty stadiums.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: So Cruel on January 01, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
I think if we look at it realistically the only reason for a JT celebration is $. A JT anniversary mini-tour is the best way to get the band into stadiums this year. If I was them this is how I'd shape then next 18 months.

JT stadium tour
N. America: March - May 2017
Europe: June - July 2017

SOE release Sept 2017

SOE arena tour
Australia/Japan: October 2017
South America (stadiums): November 2017
N. America: Feb - May 2018
Europe: June - July 2018
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 05:35:33 PM
If I were their business adviser/wealth guru I'd advise they do a stadium tour with a brand new stage show and play/promote the new album (whatever it's going to be called) and plunder about 5/6 songs from the Joshua Tree every night.  After European and North American dates they can take the show to South America, South Africa, the Far East, Australia and New Zealand in 2018.



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Post by: The Exile on January 01, 2017, 06:33:44 PM
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If I were their business adviser/wealth guru I'd advise....

If I were their artistic manager I'd advise them that touring an album from 30 years ago is pretty much the definition of a heritage act.
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Post by: John Galt on January 01, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
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If I were their business adviser/wealth guru I'd advise....

If I were their artistic manager I'd advise them that touring an album from 30 years ago is pretty much the definition of a heritage act.

"Yeah, I think we're going to terminate your contract."

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: The Edges Cat on January 01, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
If you've been a U2 fan for more than 20 years, you're a heritage fan. ;)
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: dreadpirateroberts on January 01, 2017, 10:37:04 PM
Washington D.C. better be one of those locations.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: briscoetheque on January 02, 2017, 01:18:33 AM
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Washington D.C. better be one of those locations.
Or else?
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Post by: The Edges Cat on January 02, 2017, 03:20:36 AM
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Washington D.C. better be one of those locations.
Or else?

There'll be love and peace.
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Post by: mattbel123 on January 02, 2017, 07:29:15 AM
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I think if we look at it realistically the only reason for a JT celebration is $. A JT anniversary mini-tour is the best way to get the band into stadiums this year. If I was them this is how I'd shape then next 18 months.


JT stadium tour
N. America: March - May 2017
Europe: June - July 2017

SOE release Sept 2017

SOE arena tour
Australia/Japan: October 2017
South America (stadiums): November 2017
N. America: Feb - May 2018
Europe: June - July 2018

Way too cold for north america stadiums in March, unless every one you do is indoors. This is typically why the original rumors of late May are the start date.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
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Way too cold for north america stadiums in March, unless every one you do is indoors. This is typically why the original rumors of late May are the start date.

If they do stadiums I reckon they'll start in Europe in the summer and move to North America in the fall.  The ROTW early 2018.

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Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 09:28:15 AM
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Washington D.C. better be one of those locations.

It will be Landover.

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: So Cruel on January 02, 2017, 09:48:34 AM
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I think if we look at it realistically the only reason for a JT celebration is $. A JT anniversary mini-tour is the best way to get the band into stadiums this year. If I was them this is how I'd shape then next 18 months.


JT stadium tour
N. America: March - May 2017
Europe: June - July 2017

SOE release Sept 2017

SOE arena tour
Australia/Japan: October 2017
South America (stadiums): November 2017
N. America: Feb - May 2018
Europe: June - July 2018

Way too cold for north america stadiums in March, unless every one you do is indoors. This is typically why the original rumors of late May are the start date.

They can run through the southern states and work their way up north in late April/May.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: soloyan on January 02, 2017, 10:01:42 AM
I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: mattbel123 on January 02, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
Would the leaked date a few months ago that happened on facebook and ticketmaster for Columbus tie into their arena plans for SOE in the fall?
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Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 10:45:59 AM
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I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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What songs do you think they'll opt to play on this tour?

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: Waffles on January 02, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
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Would the leaked date a few months ago that happened on facebook and ticketmaster for Columbus tie into their arena plans for SOE in the fall?

This is what gets me. There was the girl who met Bono and said tour kicks off in Miami in October. That seemed valid because she seemed desperate to get rid of any evidence she posted it. Then there was the "leaked" columbus date. But it wouldn't make sense to do several 80,000 people crowds in the USA and then return in the fall.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: opening night on January 02, 2017, 01:35:51 PM
You guys have to understand that U2's plans have changed! Of course that business woman was right when she posted about u2 in Miami, of course there was a concert date scheduled forColumbus. But future legs were postponed because the album is not finished.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 01:57:23 PM
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You guys have to understand that U2's plans have changed! Of course that business woman was right when she posted about u2 in Miami, of course there was a concert date scheduled forColumbus. But future legs were postponed because the album is not finished.

The album is finished from what we've heard. 1) Chris Evans is pretty reliable and said it was finished in New York in November...and then quickly said he probably shouldn't have said that. 2) U2 actually announced the album IS coming out in 2017 in their Christmas video. If it weren't finished, I'd think the band wouldn't give themselves and the fans a firm year release date. Yes, band members have previously said the album is coming out this year or that year, but never have they released a promotional video stating that.

The album is either completely done or in the mixing process (aka done from the band's perspective).

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Would the leaked date a few months ago that happened on facebook and ticketmaster for Columbus tie into their arena plans for SOE in the fall?

This is what gets me. There was the girl who met Bono and said tour kicks off in Miami in October. That seemed valid because she seemed desperate to get rid of any evidence she posted it. Then there was the "leaked" columbus date. But it wouldn't make sense to do several 80,000 people crowds in the USA and then return in the fall.

This is why I'm convinced that there will not be a full scale TJT tour. It does not make sense when they have SoE coming out. It makes more sense to do a few special dates for the die hards, release the new album, then tour it next fall. Probably they'll do a US tour in the fall followed by Europe in the winter.

Of course, it's possible those dates were just TM testing the system. But I'd think considering they did Europe on the last part of I&E, they'd come to the US first and then do Europe.
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Post by: SlyDanner on January 02, 2017, 02:15:00 PM
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I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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doesn't need to much rehearsals?!?

The band can barely play much of the new material and resorts to acoustic versions for much of the rest, never mind going back to songs they haven't played in 25 years!
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Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
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I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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doesn't need to much rehearsals?!?

The band can barely play much of the new material and resorts to acoustic versions for much of the rest, never mind going back to songs they haven't played in 25 years!

They'll absolutely need rehearsals to play songs they legitimately haven't played in a long time. Also they'll probably make heavy use of backing tracks.

I have no issues with acoustic versions of songs. When done right, it can be better than the full band version. See: Foo Fighters for an example of a band that does this well.
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Post by: soloyan on January 02, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
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I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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What songs do you think they'll opt to play on this tour?

Mostly Joshua Tree, then songs from Rattle and Hum the album and the movie (Pride, Sunday...)


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: georgemccauley on January 02, 2017, 04:14:53 PM
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I can totally see U2 do a 20 stadiums US/Europe only during the spring/summer.
Given the minimalist aspect of Joshua Tree, it seems reasonable.
It doesn't need too much rehearsals, will attract older fans easily.
And I don't see how on earth a short nostalgic tour could damage U2 in their mid 50's.


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What songs do you think they'll opt to play on this tour?

if it's going to be JT heavy then i would expect the rest to be filled with what we had on I+E along with the new material, depending if it's been released by then
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
I think if the next tour is going to be a stadium tour it will have a general name like 360 did and not be named after the next album.  I think the stage design will be independent of the next album.  I'm not convinced the next album is even going to be called Songs of Experience.  This way they can play as many or as few Joshua Tree songs as they like.
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Post by: The Exile on January 02, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
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I think if the next tour is going to be a stadium tour it will have a general name like 360 did and not be named after the next album.  I think the stage design will be independent of the next album.  I'm not convinced the next album is even going to be called Songs of Experience.  This way they can play as many or as few Joshua Tree songs as they like.

Well Bono did just tell us that "Songs of Experience" is coming.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 05:08:35 PM
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I think if the next tour is going to be a stadium tour it will have a general name like 360 did and not be named after the next album.  I think the stage design will be independent of the next album.  I'm not convinced the next album is even going to be called Songs of Experience.  This way they can play as many or as few Joshua Tree songs as they like.

Well Bono did just tell us that "Songs of Experience" is coming.

Before Songs of Ascent or afterwards?

Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: DPardue on January 02, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
I think the logical progression of an album and a tour got really thrown off with the (assumed) delay of "Songs of Experience".  An Innocence tour followed by an Experience tour 6-12 months later would have made sense.  Here we are in 2017 and there is still no confirmation of exactly when the album will be released nor when the tour might follow. I believe had the band released "Songs of Experience" within a reasonable amount of time after "Songs of Innocence", these Joshua Tree shows could have pretty much stood on their own and would have been a nice way to wrap up the Innocence+Experience phase.  It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to call a tour Innocence+Experience with a delay this long between the two with a Joshua Tree commemoration thingy sandwiched in between. 
Title: I heard a rumor...
Post by: soloyan on January 03, 2017, 02:47:47 AM
I don't see U2 giving up on the stage design investment I+E required. I'm sure they'll use it to tour for SOE.
That short JT tour we're talking about requires very little since it's a back to basics.
Less is more.

Also, in terms of set-list I forgot things like Silver & Gold or Sweetest Thing.


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Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on January 03, 2017, 06:49:11 AM
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I don't see U2 giving up on the stage design investment I+E required. I'm sure they'll use it to tour for SOE.
That short JT tour we're talking about requires very little since it's a back to basics.
Less is more.

Also, in terms of set-list I forgot things like Silver & Gold or Sweetest Thing.


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There's no way that they've made enough $$$ to just scrap the stage at this point, so we will have to see SOE sometime soon.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: markt on January 03, 2017, 10:21:55 AM
ES Devlin did refer to an I+E stadium stage design in her CV back when the I+E tour was first launched.  I have just checked and it now just says arena tour but not sure when she removed the "stadium" reference. 

It could have been a while ago but probably because she had accidently leaked the info.  Irrespective of TJT my guess is they always planned to take I+E outdoors, the reference to it in her CV was a clear sign of their intent IMHO.

However I am just as confused as to how the special TJT shows relate to any tour for SoE.. maybe we will find out on the 9th.  I just hope they don't make another mess of the announcement and start making promises they cannot follow through with... anyone remember the alternate Innocence and Experience nights :-) ?
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: soloyan on January 03, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
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ES Devlin did refer to an I+E stadium stage design in her CV back when the I+E tour was first launched.  I have just checked and it now just says arena tour but not sure when she removed the "stadium" reference. 

It could have been a while ago but probably because she had accidently leaked the info.  Irrespective of TJT my guess is they always planned to take I+E outdoors, the reference to it in her CV was a clear sign of their intent IMHO.

However I am just as confused as to how the special TJT shows relate to any tour for SoE.. maybe we will find out on the 9th.  I just hope they don't make another mess of the announcement and start making promises they cannot follow through with... anyone remember the alternate Innocence and Experience nights :-) ?

I could be wrong but maybe she worked on the design and they gave up the idea. It doesn't mean she can't put it on her CV since the designing job was done.
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: markt on January 03, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
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ES Devlin did refer to an I+E stadium stage design in her CV back when the I+E tour was first launched.  I have just checked and it now just says arena tour but not sure when she removed the "stadium" reference. 

It could have been a while ago but probably because she had accidently leaked the info.  Irrespective of TJT my guess is they always planned to take I+E outdoors, the reference to it in her CV was a clear sign of their intent IMHO.

However I am just as confused as to how the special TJT shows relate to any tour for SoE.. maybe we will find out on the 9th.  I just hope they don't make another mess of the announcement and start making promises they cannot follow through with... anyone remember the alternate Innocence and Experience nights :-) ?

I could be wrong but maybe she worked on the design and they gave up the idea. It doesn't mean she can't put it on her CV since the designing job was done.

Yeah could be... who knows!  This is going to be a long week...
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: zummo on January 03, 2017, 02:53:43 PM
who knows, maybe they do something goofy like have a giantic joshua tree shaped b stage jutting off the regular old school 87 stage
Title: Re: I heard a rumor...
Post by: PookaMacP on January 10, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
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who knows, maybe they do something goofy like have a giantic joshua tree shaped b stage jutting off the regular old school 87 stage

Now this reads like a suspiciously good call!