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Title: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on December 31, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.


Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on December 31, 2016, 05:37:41 PM
Well, all we "know" is that the album is coming sometime in 2017. A fall release date wouldn't delay anything, for all we know.

A delay would be, for example, the inevitable push to 2018.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Blueyedboy on December 31, 2016, 06:19:37 PM
I hope the release is sooner rather than later, the less "tinker" time they have will benefit the quality of the album.

Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: KenpoMatt on December 31, 2016, 07:49:52 PM
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I hope the release is sooner rather than later, the less "tinker" time they have will benefit the quality of the album.


The last 2 years have been "tinker" time.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: georgemccauley on December 31, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
Let's face it we have been waiting for a long time for this record. There has been a lot of false hope and wrong statements made regard the release date etc.

I believe we are closer than one might think to the release. I think we should expect to see the release of SOE in the first half of 2017. The tour announcement could come also with an album announcement, I am liking the prospect of the Live Nation concert announcement on the 5th Jan coming up.

I think the release of SOE will have something to do with the anniversary of TJT and if if is announced on Jan 5th for example, then we can expect a March release. After what we've had over the past while, id be a bit disappointed to have to wait until the second half of 2017.

Chris Evans said it was finished in November of 2016, it has to be very close!


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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Blueyedboy on December 31, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
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I hope the release is sooner rather than later, the less "tinker" time they have will benefit the quality of the album.


The last 2 years have been "tinker" time.

Ha, Yeah, good point!
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Waffles on January 01, 2017, 01:26:49 AM
No, I think we'll definitely have an album by May. There may even be a single this month
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: The Edges Cat on January 01, 2017, 01:43:19 AM
Songs of Tinkering.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: riffraff on January 01, 2017, 04:46:18 AM
Songs of Tinkering, Tailoring, and Taking Too Darned Long To Get Here
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: xy on January 01, 2017, 08:44:55 AM
The more I think about this JT-30 thing the more I think whenever SOE does arrive, the tour won't go on until next year (which makes sense given the current rumours) and so we got these "special shows".
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: an tha on January 01, 2017, 09:09:39 AM
easier workload to make money as well....u2 are clearly now not up for such long tours playing so many shows so spread out...look at last run...

6 shows in 50,000 capacity stadiums for example sell 300,000 tickets .

in an arena that would take 20 shows to shift same amount of tickets...

livenation are looking to get as much as possible as the deal they shelled out a lot of money for comes to an end....so it is much easier to sell out 5 shows in stadiums that they are cleverly gonna market with the guaranteed seller that is nostalgia than to sell out 20 arenas on the back of a new record not many people really care about.

they can then sell the new album and tour with a bit more exposure as the nostalgia demographic may come back for more to boost things.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Thunder Peel on January 01, 2017, 09:32:04 AM
I'll just be happy if they get it out this year at all.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Volcanogirl on January 01, 2017, 10:28:06 AM
The tour can be announced any moment really. I think the album will take a little longer. But who knows?
Title: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on January 01, 2017, 11:40:16 AM
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they can then sell the new album and tour with a bit more exposure as the nostalgia demographic may come back for more to boost things.

That's what I was thinking. JT is effectively a promo tour for SOE. But will casual fans go to both tours?  And the timing of the JT tour, SOE release, and SOE Tour is still in question. I guess we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: georgemccauley on January 01, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
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they can then sell the new album and tour with a bit more exposure as the nostalgia demographic may come back for more to boost things.

That's what I was thinking. JT is effectively a promo tour for SOE. But will casual fans go to both tours?  And the timing of the JT tour, SOE release, and SOE Tour is still in question. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Hopefully Jan 5th is the magic date!


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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: JFW on January 01, 2017, 02:24:56 PM
I'm sick of the 'thinks'..  :(
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: The Exile on January 01, 2017, 06:28:12 PM
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If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.

The 1st and 3rd are pure conjecture by people on this forum with over-active imaginations. No one from the U2 camp said anything about a "Joshua Tree Tour."
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on January 01, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
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If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.

The 1st and 3rd are pure conjecture by people on this forum with over-active imaginations. No one from the U2 camp said anything about a "Joshua Tree Tour."


Dates. I was using "tour" in a very broad sense. Maybe 5 dates on each Continent.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: SlyDanner on January 01, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
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If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.

The 1st and 3rd are pure conjecture by people on this forum with over-active imaginations. No one from the U2 camp said anything about a "Joshua Tree Tour."

Yes thanks for posting this.  When I read the OP I was truly not understanding what was being discussed.  JT nostalgia tour in 2017?  Are people here on hallucinatory meds?  Do they not pay any attention to what this band are about?
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on January 01, 2017, 08:03:17 PM
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If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.

The 1st and 3rd are pure conjecture by people on this forum with over-active imaginations. No one from the U2 camp said anything about a "Joshua Tree Tour."

Yes thanks for posting this.  When I read the OP I was truly not understanding what was being discussed.  JT nostalgia tour in 2017?  Are people here on hallucinatory meds?  Do they not pay any attention to what this band are about?

Was just repeating the Billboard article (the 1st one, before the Bonnaroo, Met Life, and European dates were removed).
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: The Edges Cat on January 02, 2017, 03:28:48 AM
Songs of Tinkering will never, ever be released.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: fishcci on January 02, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
What does Jick say?
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
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If all the rumors are true...

JT tour in U.S. In the Spring
Bonnaroo in June
Europe JT dates in the Summer

When exactly would it make sense to release SOE. I'd be surprised to see it out by March as it's been suggested.

Unless they do JT stadium and SOE arenas mix, we might be waiting awhile.

What do you think makes sense from a marketing perspective? Would music fans be reminded of their awesomeness in the nostalgia tour AND go to SOE as well (or at least buy the record).

Maybe they think SOE is so strong that it stands up well against TJT and we will be impressed that the 2 records were 30 years apart.

The 1st and 3rd are pure conjecture by people on this forum with over-active imaginations. No one from the U2 camp said anything about a "Joshua Tree Tour."

Yes thanks for posting this.  When I read the OP I was truly not understanding what was being discussed.  JT nostalgia tour in 2017?  Are people here on hallucinatory meds?  Do they not pay any attention to what this band are about?

Thank you both for mentioning this. I've been saying for over a week now that I very much doubt the existence of a full TJT tour in 2017. Yes, they may do a few dates to celebrate it (hence the mention of very special shows), but an actual full on tour makes no sense. People heard Bono say 2017 will be busy for the band, SoE is coming, 30 years of TJT and some special shows to celebrate it. They lumped this all together to mean a TJT tour and oh yeah, SoE is coming out, too.

It's very telling that Billboard were quick to remove their source's statement that there will be a TJT stadium tour. It either means they were completely off base OR got in trouble for announcing it.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: SlyDanner on January 02, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
People here get excited and make up all sorts of nonsense every time B opens his mouth.

Speculating is fun, it is part of the forum, but most of the theories here are just silly.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on January 02, 2017, 02:15:57 PM
I did say in the OP that IF the Billboard items were true....when would the release/tour of SOE be? 

I am more inclined to believe Billboard got in trouble for announcing Bonnaroo and MetLife and Euro dates. Would they totally make that up?  Alan Cross (Canadian music journalist) said he's hearing similar things as well.

The speculation of the OP was to be more about marketing strategy based on Billboard not the vague news Bono shared.



Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 02:25:48 PM
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I did say in the OP that IF the Billboard items were true....when would the release/tour of SOE be? 

I am more inclined to believe Billboard got in trouble for announcing Bonnaroo and MetLife and Euro dates. Would they totally make that up?  Alan Cross (Canadian music journalist) said he's hearing similar things as well.

The speculation of the OP was to be more about marketing strategy based on Billboard not the vague news Bono shared.

Bonnaroo is almost certainly happening. It's all but confirmed at this point. The MetLife dates are probably true, too--this would make sense if they're doing a select number of stadiums for TJT. Note that this is not a full tour.

If I had to guess based upon what we've been hearing and the rumors:

SoE - Comes out sometime in late Spring. Fits in with the idea that the album has been completed (per Chris Evans) and Adam's statement a couple months ago that it would be out in the spring. Also possible that they wait until say July to drop it.

TJT Anniversary - Small number of dates around May. Possibly NY, LA, maybe Chicago, and maybe TX/AZ (spread it out around the country). Probably 1-2 dates in Europe. They could either do stadiums for this or do smaller venues (more intimate atmosphere).

SoE/standard greatest hits tour - Starts in the fall in the US, moves to Europe/other parts of the world after that. Most likely arenas.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: georgemccauley on January 02, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
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Ha! Now you're just being silly.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
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Ha! Now you're just being silly.

It could very well happen you know, Bono did say in 2014 AFTER the release of SOI that they are working with Apple on a new way of releasing albums, with new technology etc. It wasn't ready for SOI it will be ready for SOE.

Kind of makes sense if you ask me...


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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: an tha on January 02, 2017, 02:44:04 PM
Dear u2,

Please don't do another album launch with Apple.

Ta.

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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
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You're funny.  ;D Apple have tried their hardest to distance themselves as much as possible from that whole debacle. Very telling that no iDevices at Apple Stores have that album in the iTunes library. Meanwhile, they've got plenty of Beyonce, Journey, Jay Z etc.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
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You're funny.  ;D Apple have tried their hardest to distance themselves as much as possible from that whole debacle. Very telling that no iDevices at Apple Stores have that album in the iTunes library. Meanwhile, they've got plenty of Beyonce, Journey, Jay Z etc.

Yeah valid point, but I think we should wait and see for 2017 because last year U2 were virtually non existent and in hibernation everywhere, 2017 could be there year and Apple may endorse them


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Title: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: dwaltman on January 02, 2017, 02:53:31 PM
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Ha! Now you're just being silly.

It could very well happen you know, Bono did say in 2014 AFTER the release of SOI that they are working with Apple on a new way of releasing albums, with new technology etc. It wasn't ready for SOI it will be ready for SOE.

Kind of makes sense if you ask me...


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I do remember that and I'm genuinely interested in what they could come up with...but if there is another Apple tie-in it better be the coolest thing since sliced bread.  Honestly, I can't even imagine what it could be...virtual reality, fan remix capabilities?
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
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Ha! Now you're just being silly.

It could very well happen you know, Bono did say in 2014 AFTER the release of SOI that they are working with Apple on a new way of releasing albums, with new technology etc. It wasn't ready for SOI it will be ready for SOE.

Kind of makes sense if you ask me...


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I do remember that and I'm genuinely interested in what they could come up with...but if there is another Apple tie-in it better be the coolest thing since sliced bread.  Honestly, I can't even imagine what it could be...virtual reality, fan remix capabilities?

Apple Music came out in June 2015, 9 months after that statement. Most likely, that's what he was referring to as Apple did bill it as "changing the music industry."

I follow Apple closely (tech is a hobby of mine in addition to being part of my full-time work) and there has been no mention of any other new music technology being developed by them beyond Apple Music.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: robgalloway on January 02, 2017, 02:58:59 PM
There's no way U2 will tour TJT and then tour SOE. I predict that they will tour both. If you go to a U2 show in 2017 it will be JT heavy with some SOE and hits


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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
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There's no way U2 will tour TJT and then tour SOE. I predict that they will tour both. If you go to a U2 show in 2017 it will be JT heavy with some SOE and hits


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Huge difference between a few TJT dates to celebrate and a full on tour. It's illogical to do a full TJT tour and a full SoE tour. Would make more sense to do those few TJT dates and then a regular SoE/greatest hits tour later on in the year. Not at all taxing on the band and keeps all parties happy (Live Nation, the fans, and presumably U2 unless they don't want to do any touring in 2017).
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 04:21:56 PM
I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.



Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: an tha on January 02, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: an tha on January 02, 2017, 04:43:33 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Volcanogirl on January 02, 2017, 04:48:11 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.
Yeah, i heard it was a million a day or so?
Ticket prices for seats were just through the roof.My hope is they
play open fields, and have affordable tickets. Well.................
one can dream.............
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 04:53:06 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Still very expensive production costs and if people pay exorbitant ticket prices to see a show in a stadium there's going to be a lot of unhappy punters when all they see is a bog standard stage at the other end of a stadium.  North Americans especially are going to want more fancy gimmickry than Bono's spotlight during Bullet the Blue Sky while attacking the USA's drone strikes.




Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: So Cruel on January 02, 2017, 05:07:26 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.





Like An Tha said, 360 was a huge production where a lot of cost went into the design and pre-production. They could do stadiums for JT with minimal staging and few screens without racking up huge costs.

Think about it, with an average audience of 50,000 @ an average of $150 per ticket and let's say an average of $15 merchandise per person you get a gross of $8,250,000 per show. If JT tour played 20 shows in N. America and 10 shows in Europe in the spring/early summer that's a gross of $247,500,000 for only 30 shows. Let's not kid ourselves, it's the $ that have U2 talking about JT shows.

They could finish the year off in Australia/Japan/S.America for the start of the SOE tour and come back to N.America/European arena's for SOE in early 2018.
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Still very expensive production costs and if people pay exorbitant ticket prices to see a show in a stadium there's going to be a lot of unhappy punters when all they see is a bog standard stage at the other end of a stadium.  North Americans especially are going to want more fancy gimmickry than Bono's spotlight during Bullet the Blue Sky while attacking the USA's drone strikes.






People go see Springsteen and Pearl Jam in stadiums and they have no stage show at all. Of course that would mean Bono having to up his game a bit to put on a show where it's just the music that does the talking.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
They could just do a 100 date stadium tour in 2017/18 performing songs from the new album and oldies, and make it a fancy stage show.  Or continue with the I+E tour in arenas but with different set-lists.

It would simplify things.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: an tha on January 02, 2017, 05:14:30 PM
seeing them without all the bells and whistles is actually more attractive to me now...see if they can still be a great rock n roll band...

they will never top zooropa and popmart for bells and whistles so lets see the other extreme stripped down and basic...
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Completely on point. Reuse one of the old stages, keep it minimal, they can make tons of money with even a limited number of stadium shows. It doesn't have to be as expensive as 360.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 05:15:37 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Still very expensive production costs and if people pay exorbitant ticket prices to see a show in a stadium there's going to be a lot of unhappy punters when all they see is a bog standard stage at the other end of a stadium.  North Americans especially are going to want more fancy gimmickry than Bono's spotlight during Bullet the Blue Sky while attacking the USA's drone strikes.






People go see Springsteen and Pearl Jam in stadiums and they have no stage show at all. Of course that would mean Bono having to up his game a bit to put on a show where it's just the music that does the talking.

If U2 did a whole two hour show in the same manner as the first four songs on the last tour on a bog standard stage in stadiums people would be bored rigid.

Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 05:18:53 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Completely on point. Reuse one of the old stages, keep it minimal, they can make tons of money with even a limited number of stadium shows. It doesn't have to be as expensive as 360.

So a kind of DIY stage with Adam up some ladders painting the stage with a roller?

And why are they keeping all these old stages?  The storage costs must be astronomical.

Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: So Cruel on January 02, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Completely on point. Reuse one of the old stages, keep it minimal, they can make tons of money with even a limited number of stadium shows. It doesn't have to be as expensive as 360.

So a kind of DIY stage with Adam up some ladders painting the stage with a roller?

And why are they keeping all these old stages?  The storage costs must be astronomical.



A storage building out in the middle of no where. I've read other bands keep staging and props, etc.. in a warehouse. Iron Maiden does.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on January 02, 2017, 09:18:04 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.
1) Absurd ticket prices.
2) Reusing the TJT tour stage.
3) Most likely only touring in the SW United States and (maybe) Dublin.
4) Draw from older fans and the possibility of hearing songs that haven't otherwise been played since the TJT tour.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 02, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
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I'm still trying out figure out how they're going to cover their costs playing just a few dates on the Joshua Tree 2.0 tour.

Judging by the ticket prices on the last tour i think i have an idea how...

The production costs for a stadium tour are considerable.  I think it was said they had to play about 44 shows on 360 just to break even.

Yes...but 360 had a monstrosity of a stage that would have cost a fortune to make and assemble...in fact didn't they have to have a couple of them to get load ins done for shows quickly enough...

Taking a very stripped down set up around a small mumber of places probably pretty spaced out timewise and charging a fortune for tickets will see them make their money easily enough.

That is if they do indeed go down the road of playing a few stadium shows - at the mo we just don't know, but as always the speculation is fun...

Completely on point. Reuse one of the old stages, keep it minimal, they can make tons of money with even a limited number of stadium shows. It doesn't have to be as expensive as 360.

So a kind of DIY stage with Adam up some ladders painting the stage with a roller?

And why are they keeping all these old stages?  The storage costs must be astronomical.



A storage building out in the middle of no where. I've read other bands keep staging and props, etc.. in a warehouse. Iron Maiden does.

Yeah, they're definitely not the first band (or last) to store their old stages for potential reuse. Seems like a good idea/better for the environment to repurpose rather than build something new each time.

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1) Absurd ticket prices.
2) Reusing the TJT tour stage.
3) Most likely only touring in the SW United States and (maybe) Dublin.
4) Draw from older fans and the possibility of hearing songs that haven't otherwise been played since the TJT tour.

Depends on your definition of absurd ticket prices. Guns recently charged between $80-$350 for tickets to their show. The Rolling Stones charged quite a bit on the tour in 2015, too. Paul McCartney charges well over $100. Ditto for the Who. Roger Waters charges quite a bit, too. So U2 charging $100-$200 per ticket would hardly be absurd. It would make me long for the 360 days of GA being $60-70, however.

I agree about the rest of it, though I do expect at least one or two east coast dates. Definitely Dublin and probably one other European date.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Blueyedboy on January 02, 2017, 09:52:41 PM
If we remind ourselves of the original SOI/SOE tour concept, the band spoke of two completely different shows over two nights in each city they were to visit. That could work again if the JT tour was to happen. Maybe SOI/SOE continues the arena tour with an additional night in a stadium for JT album.
It's all pie in the sky of course, and I doubt people would pay through the nose to hear ONLY JT songs.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: John Galt on January 02, 2017, 10:33:58 PM
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It's all pie in the sky of course


I think someone's finally hit the nail on the head. 

Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Zoomerang77 on January 03, 2017, 02:02:53 AM
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seeing them without all the bells and whistles is actually more attractive to me now...see if they can still be a great rock n roll band...

they will never top zooropa and popmart for bells and whistles so lets see the other extreme stripped down and basic...

Like the Elevation Tour...?
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Kite32 on January 03, 2017, 03:16:31 AM

There's no way U2 would strip the staging back to how it was on the original JT tour. As someone has already pointed out, the audience would be bored senseless as expectations are so different now. Even when they claimed their elevation tour was 'back to basics' it wasn't really as there was plenty going on visually.

My guess is they will simply integrate the JT into a show for the new album.

Of course I could be wrong and they might just have a backdrop and nothing else. That being the case we'd see if U2 can really cut it now. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on them not doing this though.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: robgalloway on January 03, 2017, 03:20:08 AM
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seeing them without all the bells and whistles is actually more attractive to me now...see if they can still be a great rock n roll band...

they will never top zooropa and popmart for bells and whistles so lets see the other extreme stripped down and basic...

Like the Elevation Tour...?


I thought SOI tour was pretty stripped down ... yeah there was a big screen ... Elevation tour was super stripped down especially after Popmart, Thinking about it Vertigo was also pretty stripped.

Zoo, Popmart, and 360 were excessive productions.


Anyway the problem with playing a handful of JT shows then heading out on a SOE tour is that you confuse the wider audience.

For example over the last few months I bought tickets for Bob Dylan, Iron Maiden, Guns n Roses, and Neil Young. Especially with Dylan and Young the first thing I did was  to look on Setlist.com before booking a ticket to find out what they were playing in the US. I then bought my Dad a ticket for Neil Young because he was doing hits. For Dylan I opted to go to Amsterdam by myself because he's doing more recent songs. People do their research now especially when paying 100 a ticket.

Also if the media (Rolling Stone, Q, Nme etc...) start reviewing the JT shows then people will naturally think that is the tour. To switch to SOE would be insane.

In the music industry its fatal to confuse your audience. See Popmart.

A JT/SOE tour is the only logical approach. Tour a hit album whilst promoting a new record.






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Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: judas1 on June 29, 2017, 12:00:59 PM
I would think that they will announce the album sometime when the come back to the Americas, because I think the will be doing indoor tour for the next album, and I'm sure they would want to get tickets sales out after the Christmas.  Bands today need all the publicity to get sales, and this tour has brought a lot of the old fans back, and that's why they have been closing with the new song, to get everyone amped up.  It could go like this, announcement in November, album out for the holiday sales, tour announcement, start tour in spring in the U.S, go to Europe for summer, ( they could do some outdoor shows, i.e. Dublin) head back to the states, and finish it the following year in Australia, Asia.  I think this is a pretty go guestimate, although with new management, they could do something off the grid.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: 73October on June 29, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
Imagine the album being out on Black Friday on a special deal for 1 day very cut price download or physical sales.  Then up to full price the next day and on toward the holiday season.  That would be interesting and very commercial. 
Don't think any other band/artist have tried this one specifically? 
Follow the Apple download debacle....(RHMT was available specifically for Record Store Day).
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Saint1322 on June 29, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
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Imagine the album being out on Black Friday on a special deal for 1 day very cut price download or physical sales.  Then up to full price the next day and on toward the holiday season.  That would be interesting and very commercial. 
Don't think any other band/artist have tried this one specifically? 
Follow the Apple download debacle....(RHMT was available specifically for Record Store Day).

IMO, if the album is coming this year, it will be released Black Friday. If we get into fourth quarter (October 1) and there has been no announcement, it will be Spring 2018 at the earliest.

Personally, my gut is telling me:

Album announced after the conclusion of TJT.
Album is released Black Friday.
Tour dates are announced at the end of the year.
Tickets go on sale at the beginning of January.

The tour mirrors the I+E stage but with minor revisions. This is an exhaustive tour, hitting every continent except Antarctica, lol, and sadly, we don't see the guys for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: THRILLHO on June 29, 2017, 04:00:04 PM
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IMO, if the album is coming this year, it will be released Black Friday. If we get into fourth quarter (October 1) and there has been no announcement, it will be Spring 2018 at the earliest.

Personally, my gut is telling me:

Album announced after the conclusion of TJT.
Album is released Black Friday.
Tour dates are announced at the end of the year.
Tickets go on sale at the beginning of January.

The tour mirrors the I+E stage but with minor revisions. This is an exhaustive tour, hitting every continent except Antarctica, lol, and sadly, we don't see the guys for a long, long time.

see this makes the most sense to me, but since it's U2, it won't happen like this. and it will be infuriating that they're playing this new song at most shows and then disappear like a fart in the wind and do nothing with it. watch it not even end up on the album or b-sides.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: Blueyedboy on June 29, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
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IMO, if the album is coming this year, it will be released Black Friday. If we get into fourth quarter (October 1) and there has been no announcement, it will be Spring 2018 at the earliest.

Personally, my gut is telling me:

Album announced after the conclusion of TJT.
Album is released Black Friday.
Tour dates are announced at the end of the year.
Tickets go on sale at the beginning of January.

The tour mirrors the I+E stage but with minor revisions. This is an exhaustive tour, hitting every continent except Antarctica, lol, and sadly, we don't see the guys for a long, long time.

see this makes the most sense to me, but since it's U2, it won't happen like this. and it will be infuriating that they're playing this new song at most shows and then disappear like a fart in the wind and do nothing with it. watch it not even end up on the album or b-sides.

Haha, you could be right there, maybe the song is getting more of a trial than a preview. I have to confess that I haven't heard the track in full so cannot comment on whether its decent or not, but, I quite like the idea of the band not hiding away all the songs that don't make the cut. The band no longer have the luxury of B sides to gauge interest in a particular direction (or to deflect the ire of fans in biblical proportion fume about a song that doesn't cut the mustard) so maybe this is the new way of testing the water?
If the song does not make the album due to there being 12 better songs at their disposal then everyone's a winner, if it doesn't make the cut because it doesn't work live or its been watered down into something else then that's a different conversation.

I'm still waiting for Soon to make it onto an album. I love everything about that song, but I guess having two chanty (is that even a word) tracks on the same album (UC being the other) didn't work.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: THRILLHO on June 29, 2017, 10:13:13 PM
oh im certain Soon, North Star, Mercy won't ever be on an album. i'm just waiting for the studio version of NS from Transformers 3 to leak online.

if TLT isn't on SOE i hope it makes the disc 2 of the deluxe ala Crystal Ballroom and Lucifers Hands.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 29, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
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if TLT isn't on SOE i hope it makes the disc 2 of the deluxe ala Crystal Ballroom and Lucifers Hands.
I'd be shocked if Little Things doesn't wind up on SOE... it's been played multiple times live, including once on TV, and Bono even said it would be the last track on the album.
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: THRILLHO on June 29, 2017, 11:35:38 PM
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if TLT isn't on SOE i hope it makes the disc 2 of the deluxe ala Crystal Ballroom and Lucifers Hands.
I'd be shocked if Little Things doesn't wind up on SOE... it's been played multiple times live, including once on TV, and Bono even said it would be the last track on the album.

yea thats honestly the part i DO tend to believe, but as for the album itself.....we'll see
Title: Re: Will SOE be delayed till Fall of 2017?
Post by: monopoly on June 30, 2017, 12:49:40 AM
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oh im certain Soon, North Star, Mercy won't ever be on an album. i'm just waiting for the studio version of NS from Transformers 3 to leak online.

if TLT isn't on SOE i hope it makes the disc 2 of the deluxe ala Crystal Ballroom and Lucifers Hands.

NS already leaked years ago. Sounds like a Disney fairytale version