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Title: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: The Bonzo on January 09, 2017, 05:43:33 AM
Decided not to go to TJT Tour 2017

most of the songs have been played again and again
tickets are quite expensive
would rather save the money for the 2018 i&e tour to hear new material

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: John Galt on January 09, 2017, 05:52:56 AM
I'd be going if the show were at the O2 arena but I'm not standing in a stadium again for any act.  Been there done that.

So I'm more disappointed by the choice of venues rather than the likely sets.

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Spaderholic on January 09, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
So are they definitely going to tour again next year for their next album? I hope so, and in arenas, not stadiums.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: JFW on January 09, 2017, 06:43:07 AM
I think I'm still going! :)

I'm going to stop seeing it like a Joshua Tree anniversary, but as a tour just for fun (so not as promotional for their newest album, but just because they want to tour) with all songs of the Joshua Tree because it turns 30 years and it's the album that sets them on top of the world.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: riffraff on January 09, 2017, 06:43:53 AM
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I'd be going if the show were at the O2 arena but I'm not standing in a stadium again for any act.  Been there done that.

So I'm more disappointed by the choice of venues rather than the likely sets.
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Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Waffles on January 09, 2017, 06:50:43 AM
Cool! More tickets for me!
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: riffraff on January 09, 2017, 07:01:13 AM
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Cool! More tickets for me!
That almost made me laugh...thanks for that. Trust me, if I could possibly get to the rose bowl, I would do stadiums...it just isn't happening. So, I'll just be patient and wait for the SOE tour, hopefully in an arena.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: TheEnd on January 09, 2017, 07:22:12 AM
This is going to be a very expensive way for me to hear Exit live.

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: SlyDanner on January 09, 2017, 07:39:59 AM
it is a strange feeling to have basically no interest in a new U2 Tour. I haven't had that feeling in 20 years or so.

Maybe I'll change my mind but right now this feels like a strange, bizarre announcement from a band that has either moved on from me, or whom I have moved on from as they go backwards.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Droo on January 09, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
Most of the songs have been played again and again?

Only four of the JT songs are setlist regulars. Everything from Track 5 onwards are rarely if ever played.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: The Hair of Martin Gore on January 09, 2017, 08:05:01 AM
it seems like such a waste of time for them. they can't have that much time left as a band, and they should spend it on recording and playing new music about their what their lives and the world are like now, not diving into the past. the shows will be great though, and they'll be playing seven songs that are rarely (or never!) played so it will be pretty special. But it seems like they're misusing their position as artists and men in late middle age.  Tell us what you've learned, U2!
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: riffraff on January 09, 2017, 08:06:01 AM
Ah, man, they're going to play RHMT. Maybe Hawkmoon. I need to play & hit the lottery NOW.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: John Galt on January 09, 2017, 08:06:59 AM
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it seems like such a waste of time for them. they can't have that much time left as a band, and they should spend it on recording and playing new music about their what their lives and the world are like now, not diving into the past. the shows will be great though, and they'll be playing seven songs that are rarely (or never!) played so it will be pretty special. But it seems like they're misusing their position as artists and men in late middle age.  Tell us what you've learned, U2!

"We're like the Rolling Stones."

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Droo on January 09, 2017, 08:07:04 AM
I don't think it's a waste of time for them. It's the album that made them superstars and we will be getting a nice chunk of rare songs performed as a result. SoE is basically finished and Edge says that the I+E Tour is likely going to pick back up once it's released. This is just a little treat for longtime fans before getting back to new stuff.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: The Hair of Martin Gore on January 09, 2017, 08:08:59 AM
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Decided not to go to TJT Tour 2017

most of the songs have been played again and again
tickets are quite expensive
would rather save the money for the 2018 i&e tour to hear new material

Not true at all.

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Where The Streets Have No Name (839 times played)
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (618 times played)
With Or Without You (775 times in concert: 774 times played, 1 time snippeted)
Bullet The Blue Sky (724 times played)
Running To Stand Still (347 times in concert: 345 times played, 2 times snippeted)
Red Hill Mining Town (never played live)
In God's Country (123 times in concert: 114 times played, 9 times snippeted)
Trip Through Your Wires (86 times played)
One Tree Hill (49 times in concert: 44 times played, 5 times snippeted)
Exit (111 times played)
Mothers Of The Disappeared (22 times in concert: 18 times played, 4 times snippeted)

Running To Stand Still hasn't been played since 05, and that was the first time it was played since 93. The rest are never played, as you can see.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: trevgreg on January 09, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
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Most of the songs have been played again and again?

Only four of the JT songs are setlist regulars. Everything from Track 5 onwards are rarely if ever played.

This. ISHFWILF wasn't even a consistent regular on the last tour (played at less than 1/3 of the shows, I think), and BTBS wasn't played at all on 360.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Droo on January 09, 2017, 08:15:35 AM
Exit has been played 111 times? That sounds like way more than I was expecting.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: John Galt on January 09, 2017, 08:16:16 AM
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it is a strange feeling to have basically no interest in a new U2 Tour. I haven't had that feeling in 20 years or so.

Maybe I'll change my mind but right now this feels like a strange, bizarre announcement from a band that has either moved on from me, or whom I have moved on from as they go backwards.

Funny that, because the i+e tour was the first U2 tour I was excited about since Elevation on account that they were playing arenas.  As soon as I saw the stadium dates for Vertigo and 360 I switched off straight away, and I've done the same for this tour. 

I hope everybody who goes to see it has a good night and gets a great show but stadiums are just not for me.  No act is big enough for stadiums in my experience.

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: xy on January 09, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Well I wasn't going to go but full album promise has me intrigued...
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: LightMyWay92 on January 09, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
It crossed my mind that they might just be doing this to generate excitement for the new album.  They may want to get people thinking about U2 again before they release the new material.  This will do it.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: shineinthesummernight on January 09, 2017, 09:41:15 AM
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It crossed my mind that they might just be doing this to generate excitement for the new album.  They may want to get people thinking about U2 again before they release the new material.  This will do it.
Yes, rather like priming the pump~!
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: ShankAsu on January 09, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
At this point, I'm not going either.  It would have to be either Vancouver or Seattle and I've seen them in both those venues in recent years already.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: SlyDanner on January 09, 2017, 10:32:33 AM
a lot of discussion about the setlists and hearing songs that have never or rarely been played.  that is I suppose interesting but tbh while I like TJT record, at this point I am not sure I need or want to hear the 2017 version of U2 playing these songs.  Some of them?  Sure.  I am just skeptical as to how they will sound and not sure they can pull them off.  This is a band who could not even figure out how to play California or Volcano or Troubles for goodness sake.  Even EBW was an acoustic sleeper.  I'm trying to envision getting excited to hear IGC or TRYW or MOTD or Exit in a huge stadium, and I am not liking what I am seeing.

Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: sulphur76 on January 09, 2017, 11:09:11 AM
I agree a lot with the above. One of the things that stuck out for me on From The Sky Down is how......not good Wild Horses and So Cruel sounded when the 20?? version of the band was playing them. The darkness and mystique of the originals, and what the 1991 version of U2 probably would have brought to them in a live setting, was lost on this current complacent and comfortable makeup of U2.

I feel the same will happen for those wanting to hear the darkness of Exit that was seen on R&H, or the 'screaming at the top of his lungs' that Bono brought to the recorded version of RHMT. I have zero doubt they will drop the key so far down it will not resemble the original, or play a quaint, quiet acoustic version of it.

Either way, I'm more interested in today's version of the band revisiting the spirit of the band that made Joshua Tree, not the actual songs. Put out an album without worrying about the relevance of it. Put out an odd sounding single in the midst of this EDM and pop music culture, like you did when With or Without You was released in the midst of hair metal and Color Me Badd-type groups in charge of the Top 40. 
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: LightMyWay92 on January 09, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
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It crossed my mind that they might just be doing this to generate excitement for the new album.  They may want to get people thinking about U2 again before they release the new material.  This will do it.
Yes, rather like priming the pump~!
It's a smart move, really.  They could even introduce new songs along the way.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Mr. Red on January 09, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
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a lot of discussion about the setlists and hearing songs that have never or rarely been played.  that is I suppose interesting but tbh while I like TJT record, at this point I am not sure I need or want to hear the 2017 version of U2 playing these songs.  Some of them?  Sure.  I am just skeptical as to how they will sound and not sure they can pull them off.  This is a band who could not even figure out how to play California or Volcano or Troubles for goodness sake.  Even EBW was an acoustic sleeper.  I'm trying to envision getting excited to hear IGC or TRYW or MOTD or Exit in a huge stadium, and I am not liking what I am seeing.

spot on Sly
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: LightMyWay92 on January 09, 2017, 11:30:56 AM
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a lot of discussion about the setlists and hearing songs that have never or rarely been played.  that is I suppose interesting but tbh while I like TJT record, at this point I am not sure I need or want to hear the 2017 version of U2 playing these songs.  Some of them?  Sure.  I am just skeptical as to how they will sound and not sure they can pull them off.  This is a band who could not even figure out how to play California or Volcano or Troubles for goodness sake.  Even EBW was an acoustic sleeper.  I'm trying to envision getting excited to hear IGC or TRYW or MOTD or Exit in a huge stadium, and I am not liking what I am seeing.

spot on Sly
Good point.  Highlighting the Joshua Tree brings attention to the fact that U2 are no longer the young men that recorded and toured behind that album.  Just like they were older in 2011 during the 360 Tour when they highlighted the anniversary of AB.  The lowers my enthusiasm a little. 
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Mr. Red on January 09, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
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a lot of discussion about the setlists and hearing songs that have never or rarely been played.  that is I suppose interesting but tbh while I like TJT record, at this point I am not sure I need or want to hear the 2017 version of U2 playing these songs.  Some of them?  Sure.  I am just skeptical as to how they will sound and not sure they can pull them off.  This is a band who could not even figure out how to play California or Volcano or Troubles for goodness sake.  Even EBW was an acoustic sleeper.  I'm trying to envision getting excited to hear IGC or TRYW or MOTD or Exit in a huge stadium, and I am not liking what I am seeing.

spot on Sly
Good point.  Highlighting the Joshua Tree brings attention to the fact that U2 are no longer the young men that recorded and toured behind that album.  Just like they were older in 2011 during the 360 Tour when they highlighted the anniversary of AB.  The lowers my enthusiasm a little.

I'm reading about hopes of hearing Acrobat, A Sort of Homecoming, Wire, ETC. There is one obvious reason why U2 do not play these songs and never will. They simply cannot deliver them properly anymore. Especially Bono's voice. And hearing the 2017 version of some of the tunes is not something I want to hear for that reason. I've mentioned that the SOI tour was a letdown for me because of drippy versions of EBW or the audience singing 3/4 of One, or the lackluster delivery of Streets, or crap delivery of WOWY, or "sleeper" acoustic versions of many great songs. And now to put all that in stadiums!!? No thanks. Doesn't tickle my fancy.  New record in arenas may be a different story.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: dougie on January 09, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
Playing the 'entire' album changes my view of going. I want to see Bono sing Red Hill Mining Town! I'm in for a show or two in the Pacific Northwest!
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Mr. Red on January 09, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
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Playing the 'entire' album changes my view of going. I want to see Bono sing Red Hill Mining Town! I'm in for a show or two in the Pacific Northwest!

Sing it or talk through it? Or maybe have the audience sing most of it!!
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: Mr. Red on January 09, 2017, 12:17:57 PM
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Playing the 'entire' album changes my view of going. I want to see Bono sing Red Hill Mining Town! I'm in for a show or two in the Pacific Northwest!

Sing it or talk through it? Or maybe have big sing along karaoke style.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: olimar on January 09, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
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I agree a lot with the above. One of the things that stuck out for me on From The Sky Down is how......not good Wild Horses and So Cruel sounded when the 20?? version of the band was playing them. The darkness and mystique of the originals, and what the 1991 version of U2 probably would have brought to them in a live setting, was lost on this current complacent and comfortable makeup of U2.

I feel the same will happen for those wanting to hear the darkness of Exit that was seen on R&H, or the 'screaming at the top of his lungs' that Bono brought to the recorded version of RHMT. I have zero doubt they will drop the key so far down it will not resemble the original, or play a quaint, quiet acoustic version of it.

Either way, I'm more interested in today's version of the band revisiting the spirit of the band that made Joshua Tree, not the actual songs. Put out an album without worrying about the relevance of it. Put out an odd sounding single in the midst of this EDM and pop music culture, like you did when With or Without You was released in the midst of hair metal and Color Me Badd-type groups in charge of the Top 40. 

I read a quote from Bono the other day, written after he had his bike accident. He was saying how it gave him the rare opportunity to be able to write at the point when youre usually at your creative best, but then you go on a tour (and it seems like recording an album and touring at the same time are probably a bit much now).
It strikes me that U2 have no problem playing live or putting on very good live shows, so if they have just about got to the finish line on SOE, then use that creative streak to continue to work in the studio. That way, maybe their next album after SOE wont be 5 years away. After all, they seem likely to roll off this tour and straight into another one next year.

If they really feel strongly that the Political Climate in the US completes some kind of circle with The Joshua Tree and they are somehow compelled to play it, then just integrate it into the the next tour. Thats pretty much only 6 tracks they need to find a gap for and they can play the whole thing.

Nothing about this feels much like a U2 decision and it goes against the grain of much of what they have been about, even recently. And I dont think they can do justice to a 30 year old album, or that they need to.
Title: Re: Thanks but no Thanks
Post by: SlyDanner on January 09, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
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a lot of discussion about the setlists and hearing songs that have never or rarely been played.  that is I suppose interesting but tbh while I like TJT record, at this point I am not sure I need or want to hear the 2017 version of U2 playing these songs.  Some of them?  Sure.  I am just skeptical as to how they will sound and not sure they can pull them off.  This is a band who could not even figure out how to play California or Volcano or Troubles for goodness sake.  Even EBW was an acoustic sleeper.  I'm trying to envision getting excited to hear IGC or TRYW or MOTD or Exit in a huge stadium, and I am not liking what I am seeing.

spot on Sly
Good point.  Highlighting the Joshua Tree brings attention to the fact that U2 are no longer the young men that recorded and toured behind that album.  Just like they were older in 2011 during the 360 Tour when they highlighted the anniversary of AB.  The lowers my enthusiasm a little.

I'm reading about hopes of hearing Acrobat, A Sort of Homecoming, Wire, ETC. There is one obvious reason why U2 do not play these songs and never will. They simply cannot deliver them properly anymore. Especially Bono's voice. And hearing the 2017 version of some of the tunes is not something I want to hear for that reason. I've mentioned that the SOI tour was a letdown for me because of drippy versions of EBW or the audience singing 3/4 of One, or the lackluster delivery of Streets, or crap delivery of WOWY, or "sleeper" acoustic versions of many great songs. And now to put all that in stadiums!!? No thanks. Doesn't tickle my fancy.  New record in arenas may be a different story.

exactly