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Title: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: andrewau2 on January 09, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnFnPMbqiYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnFnPMbqiYo)

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Predictions?

Bono did use to sing "President Regan comes up to me..." during live Bullet performances in the 1980s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviYtGNNWgs#t=30m42s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviYtGNNWgs#t=30m42s)
approximately found at 30 minutes and 42 seconds
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: mofospacejunk on January 09, 2017, 06:40:31 PM
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Predictions?

Bono did use to sing "President Regan comes up to me..." during live Bullet performances in the 1980s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviYtGNNWgs#t=30m42s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zviYtGNNWgs#t=30m42s)
approximately found at 30 minutes and 42 seconds

Not sure ... but the B man and Trump do have a couple of things in common.

They both love making money ... they both like avoiding taxes where possible.

M2 - hopefully this isn't construed a 'political statement'. Apologies if it is.  :)
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: georgemccauley on January 09, 2017, 06:45:13 PM
Please, god no!


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Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: playingtricksagain on January 09, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
I remember I almost had to have facial reconstructive surgery after all the cringing from watching that innocuous attempt to make Bono's (and I guess consequently the entire band's) personal political opinions. Not my thing. Music is supposed to bring people together, listening to an album is supposed to be a nice time to let yourself go by the music and not a freaking lecture on what some guy's (who's said both good and bad things throughout his career) views are about, SOE was supposed to be a daring album that doesn't just look back on their discography, but also brings something new to the table. Not this.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on January 09, 2017, 06:55:15 PM
I am sure they will do something not at all subtle with BTBS.

How about The Fly with Trump Tweets or portions of Trump tweets as the text/subliminal messages?  You know you can see them doing this.  I'm not saying that it wouldn't be cringe-worthy, but I could see them trying it.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: georgemccauley on January 09, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
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I am sure they will do something not at all subtle with BTBS.

How about The Fly with Trump Tweets or portions of Trump tweets as the text/subliminal messages?  You know you can see them doing this.  I'm not saying that it wouldn't be cringe-worthy, but I could see them trying it.

I can see the tweets on the big screen as we speak!

I think if they are going to include Trump in this tour, the best thing for the band to do is agree to disagree in a subtle manner. A little nod to the current situation will do just fine, but this is U2 at the end of he day.


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Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 09, 2017, 08:18:40 PM
I'm totally fine with them calling out whatever or whoever they want, in whatever way they want. They're artists and I do not expect them to cater to my political views. As long as they're also playing the songs, they can pretty much say whatever.

I wouldn't mind if they called Trump or whoever out when they do something stupid or wrong. The only people who get upset about this are those who are easily offended when someone disagrees with them politically. U2 have always been a political band, if that bothers you, just stay home from the concert. Don't expect the band to change who they are just because of your politics. You have the choice to not go to the concert if you disagree.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: mofospacejunk on January 09, 2017, 08:37:27 PM
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I'm totally fine with them calling out whatever or whoever they want, in whatever way they want. They're artists and I do not expect them to cater to my political views. As long as they're also playing the songs, they can pretty much say whatever.

I wouldn't mind if they called Trump or whoever out when they do something stupid or wrong. The only people who get upset about this are those who are easily offended when someone disagrees with them politically. U2 have always been a political band, if that bothers you, just stay home from the concert. Don't expect the band to change who they are just because of your politics. You have the choice to not go to the concert if you disagree.

Agree 100%.

Good thing Bono is thick-skinned. A lot of people look at him, see a money-hungry, tax avoiding, self-confessed megalomaniac, and wonder why he disses on people who display similar traits to him.

He's happy to leave himself open to derision and ridicule. What I find funny is how people try to defend him.


Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: Waffles on January 09, 2017, 08:39:01 PM
I think we will actually. It affected SOE so it could play into the tour
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: mofospacejunk on January 09, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
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I think we will actually. It affected SOE so it could play into the tour

The B man probably saw how Meryl came off so well after the Golden Globes. Wouldn't be surprised if he's thought, rather than release another album for free on iTunes, we'll based our new album and parts of the TJT tour on the same person. I'll "do a Streep".

U2 will be relevant again.  ;D
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: tigerfan41 on January 09, 2017, 09:27:00 PM
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I think we will actually. It affected SOE so it could play into the tour

The B man probably saw how Meryl came off so well after the Golden Globes. Wouldn't be surprised if he's thought, rather than release another album for free on iTunes, we'll based our new album and parts of the TJT tour on the same person. I'll "do a Streep".

U2 will be relevant again.  ;D

Problem with this theory is that the tour was planned weeks ago, well before Streep's speech which everyone seems to be freaking out about.

I'm not going to begin to defend Bono's entrepreneurial nature or doing what so many businesses do (take advantage of tax loopholes) but I will say this: at least he gives back. At least he speaks out for those who have no voice (the poor, through his fundraising efforts with politicians he doesn't even like). At least he's trying to get rid of AIDS. At least he has reputable charities which aren't used as a front to game the system. At least he seems to be a pretty level headed guy who interacts with the fans well (I haven't heard any stories of him being a jerk to fans). I don't know about you, but given the choice between him and a celebrity who is totally selfish, I'll choose Bono because at least he has some redeeming qualities. Even if he says/does dumb things from time to time.

I know it's hard to believe, but not all celebrities are totally selfish, narcissistic jerks.  And when one happens to not be that, I have no issues with them calling out those who are totally selfish.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: mofospacejunk on January 09, 2017, 09:40:05 PM
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I think we will actually. It affected SOE so it could play into the tour

The B man probably saw how Meryl came off so well after the Golden Globes. Wouldn't be surprised if he's thought, rather than release another album for free on iTunes, we'll based our new album and parts of the TJT tour on the same person. I'll "do a Streep".

U2 will be relevant again.  ;D

Problem with this theory is that the tour was planned weeks ago, well before Streep's speech which everyone seems to be freaking out about.

I'm not going to begin to defend Bono's entrepreneurial nature or doing what so many businesses do (take advantage of tax loopholes) but I will say this: at least he gives back. At least he speaks out for those who have no voice (the poor, through his fundraising efforts with politicians he doesn't even like). At least he's trying to get rid of AIDS. At least he has reputable charities which aren't used as a front to game the system. At least he seems to be a pretty level headed guy who interacts with the fans well (I haven't heard any stories of him being a jerk to fans). I don't know about you, but given the choice between him and a celebrity who is totally selfish, I'll choose Bono because at least he has some redeeming qualities. Even if he says/does dumb things from time to time.

I know it's hard to believe, but not all celebrities are totally selfish, narcissistic jerks.  And when one happens to not be that, I have no issues with them calling out those who are totally selfish.

Agree - my comment totally tongue in cheek :)
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: playingtricksagain on January 09, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
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I'm not going to begin to defend Bono's entrepreneurial nature or doing what so many businesses do (take advantage of tax loopholes) but I will say this: at least he gives back. At least he speaks out for those who have no voice (the poor, through his fundraising efforts with politicians he doesn't even like). At least he's trying to get rid of AIDS. At least he has reputable charities which aren't used as a front to game the system. At least he seems to be a pretty level headed guy who interacts with the fans well (I haven't heard any stories of him being a jerk to fans). I don't know about you, but given the choice between him and a celebrity who is totally selfish, I'll choose Bono because at least he has some redeeming qualities. Even if he says/does dumb things from time to time.

I know it's hard to believe, but not all celebrities are totally selfish, narcissistic jerks.  And when one happens to not be that, I have no issues with them calling out those who are totally selfish.

I don't think Bono's a bad guy, his work in Africa has been going on for decades. I just wish he kept those kinds of affairs to his personal life, rather than his profesional life (considering U2 has 4 members, not just him). He's a talented songwriter too. The poetic style and kind of spirituality he has reminds me a bit of Terrence Malick's style for films. Hell he even worked with Wim Wenders. Problem is when his personal life and his music get tangled up, the result isn't very good. He had it during the 80s, sure, but that was a different time, when U2 was pretty much the voice of a generation. Now back to the present, they no longer are. I'm in the young fans category, I'm only 21 but have been into them since I was 15, and as much respect as I have for the guy, I have no interest in hearing about politics when I'm listening to a song.

Their best work is behind them but I think I'd prefer a band who just did music for the sake and fun of getting to jam with old pals even after so many years. They don't need money, they don't need more fans, they don't need to be relevant, and they certainly don't need to school their audience (most of whom are over 40) in politics. It's not even raising awareness; everyone's up to date with what's been going on in the world thanks to news, the internet, newspapers, even on the damn Golden Globes. We just don't need any of that.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on January 09, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
I still haven't listened to this, and I don't think that I will.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: Volcanogirl on January 10, 2017, 01:27:50 AM
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I think we will actually. It affected SOE so it could play into the tour

The B man probably saw how Meryl came off so well after the Golden Globes. Wouldn't be surprised if he's thought, rather than release another album for free on iTunes, we'll based our new album and parts of the TJT tour on the same person. I'll "do a Streep".

U2 will be relevant again.  ;D
I think they indeed are going to do a U2 version of a Meryl.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: macky0104 on January 10, 2017, 08:30:35 AM
I hope they do get more political as I really don't understand how so many current artists can write music without commenting on the world since the Financial Crisis in 2008 and all of the wars since Iraq/Afghanistan; mind boggling.

I'd also add from a selfish point  of view that political situation may actually energise the band and help them make better music.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: The Hair of Martin Gore on January 10, 2017, 09:12:16 AM
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I'm not going to begin to defend Bono's entrepreneurial nature or doing what so many businesses do (take advantage of tax loopholes) but I will say this: at least he gives back. At least he speaks out for those who have no voice (the poor, through his fundraising efforts with politicians he doesn't even like). At least he's trying to get rid of AIDS. At least he has reputable charities which aren't used as a front to game the system. At least he seems to be a pretty level headed guy who interacts with the fans well (I haven't heard any stories of him being a jerk to fans). I don't know about you, but given the choice between him and a celebrity who is totally selfish, I'll choose Bono because at least he has some redeeming qualities. Even if he says/does dumb things from time to time.

I know it's hard to believe, but not all celebrities are totally selfish, narcissistic jerks.  And when one happens to not be that, I have no issues with them calling out those who are totally selfish.

I don't think Bono's a bad guy, his work in Africa has been going on for decades. I just wish he kept those kinds of affairs to his personal life, rather than his profesional life (considering U2 has 4 members, not just him). He's a talented songwriter too. The poetic style and kind of spirituality he has reminds me a bit of Terrence Malick's style for films. Hell he even worked with Wim Wenders. Problem is when his personal life and his music get tangled up, the result isn't very good. He had it during the 80s, sure, but that was a different time, when U2 was pretty much the voice of a generation. Now back to the present, they no longer are. I'm in the young fans category, I'm only 21 but have been into them since I was 15, and as much respect as I have for the guy, I have no interest in hearing about politics when I'm listening to a song.

Their best work is behind them but I think I'd prefer a band who just did music for the sake and fun of getting to jam with old pals even after so many years. They don't need money, they don't need more fans, they don't need to be relevant, and they certainly don't need to school their audience (most of whom are over 40) in politics. It's not even raising awareness; everyone's up to date with what's been going on in the world thanks to news, the internet, newspapers, even on the damn Golden Globes. We just don't need any of that.

if you don't want to hear about politics when listening to a song or going to a concert then U2 isn't the band for you. it's been a huge part of what they are for 33 years, and it's not going to change now. 
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: John Galt on January 10, 2017, 01:28:59 PM
I want a new version of Bullet without the internal dialogue between Bono and his younger self.  A succinct Bullet, similar to the album version would be nice, possibly preceded by a JT tour Star Spangled Banner intro which then falters and collapses at the end as if to suggest that America and American democracy is broken because Bono and friends didn't like the 2016 result, which would then be followed by booing by sections of the crowd.  Inevitably this stage show will have large video screens and I expect Donald Trump to feature on them for some reason during this song. Theme-wise the bombing of Syria is topical.

Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: Thunder Peel on January 10, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
There are plenty of current topics that would fit Bullet perfectly. Why not do it on the rise of ISIS and radical terrorism around the world? That's something that has affected all of us in some way and it's an issue that all fans could get behind.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: John Galt on January 10, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
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There are plenty of current topics that would fit Bullet perfectly. Why not do it on the rise of ISIS and radical terrorism around the world? That's something that has affected all of us in some way and it's an issue that all fans could get behind.

That's not what U2 want their captive audience thinking about I would guess.

Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: mofospacejunk on January 10, 2017, 06:29:08 PM
Bono could make a statement by doing the exact same spoken word prose as it appears on TJT.

He could do a Michael Stipe and turn his back on the audience when he does it. Puts the emphasis on Edge's solo, and can be seen almost as a protest to USA.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: JTNash on January 10, 2017, 07:39:45 PM
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I hope they do get more political as I really don't understand how so many current artists can write music without commenting on the world since the Financial Crisis in 2008 and all of the wars since Iraq/Afghanistan; mind boggling.

I'd also add from a selfish point  of view that political situation may actually energise the band and help them make better music.
I agree good stuff is coming
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: JTNash on January 10, 2017, 07:41:19 PM
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I'm not going to begin to defend Bono's entrepreneurial nature or doing what so many businesses do (take advantage of tax loopholes) but I will say this: at least he gives back. At least he speaks out for those who have no voice (the poor, through his fundraising efforts with politicians he doesn't even like). At least he's trying to get rid of AIDS. At least he has reputable charities which aren't used as a front to game the system. At least he seems to be a pretty level headed guy who interacts with the fans well (I haven't heard any stories of him being a jerk to fans). I don't know about you, but given the choice between him and a celebrity who is totally selfish, I'll choose Bono because at least he has some redeeming qualities. Even if he says/does dumb things from time to time.

I know it's hard to believe, but not all celebrities are totally selfish, narcissistic jerks.  And when one happens to not be that, I have no issues with them calling out those who are totally selfish.

I don't think Bono's a bad guy, his work in Africa has been going on for decades. I just wish he kept those kinds of affairs to his personal life, rather than his profesional life (considering U2 has 4 members, not just him). He's a talented songwriter too. The poetic style and kind of spirituality he has reminds me a bit of Terrence Malick's style for films. Hell he even worked with Wim Wenders. Problem is when his personal life and his music get tangled up, the result isn't very good. He had it during the 80s, sure, but that was a different time, when U2 was pretty much the voice of a generation. Now back to the present, they no longer are. I'm in the young fans category, I'm only 21 but have been into them since I was 15, and as much respect as I have for the guy, I have no interest in hearing about politics when I'm listening to a song.

Their best work is behind them but I think I'd prefer a band who just did music for the sake and fun of getting to jam with old pals even after so many years. They don't need money, they don't need more fans, they don't need to be relevant, and they certainly don't need to school their audience (most of whom are over 40) in politics. It's not even raising awareness; everyone's up to date with what's been going on in the world thanks to news, the internet, newspapers, even on the damn Golden Globes. We just don't need any of that.

if you don't want to hear about politics when listening to a song or going to a concert then U2 isn't the band for you. it's been a huge part of what they are for 33 years, and it's not going to change now.
that's what I'm screaming
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: cocamojoe on January 10, 2017, 11:08:43 PM
While I personally hope not, and while I'm not a Trump supporter, I hope not for U2's sake.

They seem to live in a bubble where they don't realize how vast the number of people who disagree with their politics actually are. As they are playing many states that went for Trump in this election, both Pennsylvania and Ohio in particular, it would behoove them to not do so, imo.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: John Galt on January 11, 2017, 01:35:13 AM
I bet he gets the handheld spotlight out and shines it on the Edge and the crowd like in ye days of olde.

Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: andrewau2 on January 11, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
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While I personally hope not, and while I'm not a Trump supporter, I hope not for U2's sake.

They seem to live in a bubble where they don't realize how vast the number of people who disagree with their politics actually are. As they are playing many states that went for Trump in this election, both Pennsylvania and Ohio in particular, it would behoove them to not do so, imo.

Well according to The Edge and Adam's recent interviews, they probably will make it about Trump while on tour.

Adam:
https://soundcloud.com/rte-radio-1/adam-clayton-chats-to-ryan-tubridy-about-u2s-upcoming-world-tour

Edge:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-edge-breaks-down-u2s-upcoming-joshua-tree-tour-w459473
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: m2 on January 11, 2017, 10:59:18 PM
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http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,30217.0.html

We're actively banning forum members who choose not to abide by this rule. We're 100% serious about changing the atmosphere in this forum.
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: andrewau2 on January 14, 2017, 06:02:40 AM
Bono recently said on U2.com that "I opposed Trump while all the time understanding that many of the people who support him are the kind of people I grew up with, and can see myself in to this day. In my head at least the election result demanded I ask myself several questions:

Am I missing something here?
Am I out of touch with American values?
Am I out of touch with the American people?"

and

"This is a tour for red and blue, the coast and the heartland ... because music can pull people together as surely as politics can pull people apart."

source:
http://www.u2.com/news/title/music-can-pull-people-together/news/


So, perhaps we won't get such a visceral version of Bullet and more of a tour that isn't against anyone, but for healing the divide between both sides of the aisle.

Bono added, "I would like to think that everyone who loves their country would feel welcome at a U2 show, however differently they love it. And I think a little humility might be important for me here."  He and the band's comments about Trump in the last year may have driven some U2 fans away (as probably all their political comments over the years).

Do you think after Bono's recent comments on U2.com that he'll be holding back on Trump?
Title: Re: Will we get a version of Bullet on the new tour similar to this?
Post by: Volcanogirl on January 14, 2017, 06:08:22 AM
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Bono recently said on U2.com that "I opposed Trump while all the time understanding that many of the people who support him are the kind of people I grew up with, and can see myself in to this day. In my head at least the election result demanded I ask myself several questions:

Am I missing something here?
Am I out of touch with American values?
Am I out of touch with the American people?"

and

"This is a tour for red and blue, the coast and the heartland ... because music can pull people together as surely as politics can pull people apart."

source:
http://www.u2.com/news/title/music-can-pull-people-together/news/


So, perhaps we won't get such a visceral version of Bullet and more of a tour that isn't against anyone, but for healing the divide between both sides of the aisle.

Bono added, "I would like to think that everyone who loves their country would feel welcome at a U2 show, however differently they love it. And I think a little humility might be important for me here."  He and the band's comments about Trump in the last year may have driven some U2 fans away (as probably all their political comments over the years).

Do you think after Bono's recent comments on U2.com that he'll be holding back on Trump?
Yeah, my thoughts were about the same. The world is devided, and it's not the time to kick against. It's so ever the time to just bring people a smile on their face and make em all feel they are at this great show.