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Title: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: andrewau2 on March 06, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
If you voted no but wish they would, you can always ask them to play some Pop songs through Facebook or Twitter using the #askU2.

https://www.atu2.com/news/u2-facebook-live-q--a-march-9-3pm-est.html
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: riffraff on March 06, 2017, 11:01:01 AM
I don't think they will. I think it'll be all TJT, plus songs from Boy and War.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Johnny Feathers on March 06, 2017, 11:42:29 AM
I don't think so.  I'd be thrilled if they threw in at least Please or something--that could be very topical with the current political climate--but they've done little to acknowledge Pop in recent tours, and it might be a tough fit with a JT-themed show.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Saint1322 on March 06, 2017, 11:58:18 AM
Wondering how many threads we can have asking U2 to ignore 40 years of success and focus on their greatest commercial and critical failure.

Listen; everyone has the right to their opinion. If you love Pop, fantastic. Play it 24/7. I like a good bit of it myself. But, you have to understand that U2 might not looking back on 1997/98 as fondly as what you do. As I have said before, imagine begging Mick Jagger to eschew 60 years of success and send people running to the concession stands and bathrooms by cuing up one off Dirty Work instead of a hit or an album cut from Let It Bleed or Exile On Mainstreet. It just isn't realistic.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: bass slap on March 06, 2017, 12:07:55 PM
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Wondering how many threads we can have asking U2 to ignore 40 years of success and focus on their greatest commercial and critical failure.

Listen; everyone has the right to their opinion. If you love Pop, fantastic. Play it 24/7. I like a good bit of it myself. But, you have to understand that U2 might not looking back on 1997/98 as fondly as what you do. As I have said before, imagine begging Mick Jagger to eschew 60 years of success and send people running to the concession stands and bathrooms by cuing up one off Dirty Work instead of a hit or an album cut from Let It Bleed or Exile On Mainstreet. It just isn't realistic.
Who's asking them to ignore 40 years of success?!  The suggestion or hope is that they play one or two songs from an album?
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Saint1322 on March 06, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
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Wondering how many threads we can have asking U2 to ignore 40 years of success and focus on their greatest commercial and critical failure.

Listen; everyone has the right to their opinion. If you love Pop, fantastic. Play it 24/7. I like a good bit of it myself. But, you have to understand that U2 might not looking back on 1997/98 as fondly as what you do. As I have said before, imagine begging Mick Jagger to eschew 60 years of success and send people running to the concession stands and bathrooms by cuing up one off Dirty Work instead of a hit or an album cut from Let It Bleed or Exile On Mainstreet. It just isn't realistic.
Who's asking them to ignore 40 years of success?!  The suggestion or hope is that they play one or two songs from an album?
Legit point, but that's just one piece of a larger puzzle from people asking 'Why are they ignoring the 20th anniversary of Pop? Where is the remaster/box set? Why don't they do special shows devoted to just this album?'

Because it didn't do well. Period. They could barely play these songs when they were new. I was at an early PopMart show and it was a tirefire.

I see YOUR point; two songs isn't a big deal out of 22 or so, but it is this obsession with Pop that I don't get. Just take a look at how many threads have 'Pop' in the title. For someone who lived through that era, it is just a head-scratcher, because I for one remember how thrilled 99 percent of U2 fans were to see U2 return to the stage looking and sounding like U2 again, no muscle shirts, cowboy hats or lemons, lol.

Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: achtung child on March 06, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
NOPE
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: andrewau2 on March 06, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
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Wondering how many threads we can have asking U2 to ignore 40 years of success and focus on their greatest commercial and critical failure.

Listen; everyone has the right to their opinion. If you love Pop, fantastic. Play it 24/7. I like a good bit of it myself. But, you have to understand that U2 might not looking back on 1997/98 as fondly as what you do. As I have said before, imagine begging Mick Jagger to eschew 60 years of success and send people running to the concession stands and bathrooms by cuing up one off Dirty Work instead of a hit or an album cut from Let It Bleed or Exile On Mainstreet. It just isn't realistic.
Who's asking them to ignore 40 years of success?!  The suggestion or hope is that they play one or two songs from an album?
Legit point, but that's just one piece of a larger puzzle from people asking 'Why are they ignoring the 20th anniversary of Pop? Where is the remaster/box set? Why don't they do special shows devoted to just this album?'

Because it didn't do well. Period. They could barely play these songs when they were new. I was at an early PopMart show and it was a tirefire.

I see YOUR point; two songs isn't a big deal out of 22 or so, but it is this obsession with Pop that I don't get. Just take a look at how many threads have 'Pop' in the title. For someone who lived through that era, it is just a head-scratcher, because I for one remember how thrilled 99 percent of U2 fans were to see U2 return to the stage looking and sounding like U2 again, no muscle shirts, cowboy hats or lemons, lol.


The multiple threads with Pop in the title are due to it being the 20th anniversary of an amazing, UNDERRATED, album.  It's been 20 years so people are excited to remember and discuss a great album.  For many, it was the last great U2 album or it was the album of their formative years.

I do not see any threads asking for U2 to get back into the mirrorball lemon or put on the muscle shirts. 

However, I do see people asking for U2 to throw them a bone and play one or two of their great songs from the album (like Mofo, Gone, Please...) and not ignore the album completely like they have for the last two tours. 

While they did play Discotheque twice on the Vertigo tour, I'd imagine most people were not at those two shows.  So, it was really no songs from the Pop album for the last THREE tours.  It was back in 2001 when U2 played Gone and Please a bunch of times on the Elevation tour.  So, yeah 16 years ago.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Thunder Peel on March 06, 2017, 01:46:24 PM
I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: an tha on March 06, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: bass slap on March 06, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
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If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.

Yes..on your point.. there's a thread about loving crazy tonight. I steered well clear as I simply don't have anything positive to say about that song and thought it would just increase my chances of being snuffed from the forum..
The positivity around pop, now I can buy into that.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: an tha on March 06, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
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If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.

Yes..on your point.. there's a thread about loving crazy tonight. I steered well clear as I simply don't have anything positive to say about that song and thought it would just increase my chances of being snuffed from the forum..
The positivity around pop, now I can buy into that.

Same here - Have made a conscious effort to make no comments on threads about songs i don't like etc....
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Saint1322 on March 06, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
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If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.


I believe I went out my way to emphasize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I am seeing a lot of 'Why' questions. Why don't U2 ___________ when it comes to Pop? Why no special edition? Why no anniversary acknowledgment? Why not throw us a bone?

Because it was a massive failure in the United States. I am not speaking to or about the rest of the world. As far as the U.S. went, Pop and PopMart were failures, and I can't imagine U2 have many good memories of playing to stadiums that were 40 percent full in the United States on the heels of the record-breaking Joshua Tree and ZooTV tours.

PERSONALLY, I like Pop more than I do HTDAAB. But that's just me. I don't think I liked SOI as much as some people here did -- though I did like it. I adore No Line. Love that album. Love. It. But if U2 are still kicking when NLOTH turns 20 or 30, I'm not going to be clamoring for answers as to why they don't release a box set or tour behind it again. They had to drop half of the songs they were playing from it mid tour due to audience indifference, JUST LIKE ON POPMART. It didn't go over very well. Not every album is going to get its own starring role. I'm still miffed as all get out that Zooropa was treated like a red-headed stepchild and folded in with Achtung Baby. If they are going to treat Zooropa like that, what did y'all expect from Pop?

So again, please don't read my comments and think I am trashing Pop or PopMart. I am just telling you that you have to put yourselves in U2's position. We are the hardest of the hardcore fans. Of course we are going to think more favorably of Pop than the rest of the average U2 fans out there. I am just reminding y'all that outside of this tiny little community we have here, Pop was a disaster. The tour almost bankrupted the record label, remember? 40 percent sales at some shows. Songs that had to be aborted in the middle of shows. The worst rated broadcast TV show in the history of network television. Any of this ringing a bell for y'all? Because I bet I could name four guys who remember all too well. SNL jokes about their appearance. LMJ looking mortified during the Discotheque video. It goes on and on.

Do you think that's something U2 are eager to go back and re-live every night? 'Oh, let's play If God Will Send His Angels, a song we agonized over for four years before releasing on an album, only to release a different version as a single and still another to accompany the video because we never got it right. And that we had to drop from our setlists because we couldn't play it. Good times!'
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: an tha on March 06, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
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If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.


I believe I went out my way to emphasize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I am seeing a lot of 'Why' questions. Why don't U2 ___________ when it comes to Pop? Why no special edition? Why no anniversary acknowledgment? Why not throw us a bone?

Because it was a massive failure in the United States. I am not speaking to or about the rest of the world. As far as the U.S. went, Pop and PopMart were failures, and I can't imagine U2 have many good memories of playing to stadiums that were 40 percent full in the United States on the heels of the record-breaking Joshua Tree and ZooTV tours.

PERSONALLY, I like Pop more than I do HTDAAB. But that's just me. I don't think I liked SOI as much as some people here did -- though I did like it. I adore No Line. Love that album. Love. It. But if U2 are still kicking when NLOTH turns 20 or 30, I'm not going to be clamoring for answers as to why they don't release a box set or tour behind it again. They had to drop half of the songs they were playing from it mid tour due to audience indifference, JUST LIKE ON POPMART. It didn't go over very well. Not every album is going to get its own starring role. I'm still miffed as all get out that Zooropa was treated like a red-headed stepchild and folded in with Achtung Baby. If they are going to treat Zooropa like that, what did y'all expect from Pop?

So again, please don't read my comments and think I am trashing Pop or PopMart. I am just telling you that you have to put yourselves in U2's position. We are the hardest of the hardcore fans. Of course we are going to think more favorably of Pop than the rest of the average U2 fans out there. I am just reminding y'all that outside of this tiny little community we have here, Pop was a disaster. The tour almost bankrupted the record label, remember? 40 percent sales at some shows. Songs that had to be aborted in the middle of shows. The worst rated broadcast TV show in the history of network television. Any of this ringing a bell for y'all? Because I bet I could name four guys who remember all too well. SNL jokes about their appearance. LMJ looking mortified during the Discotheque video. It goes on and on.

Do you think that's something U2 are eager to go back and re-live every night? 'Oh, let's play If God Will Send His Angels, a song we agonized over for four years before releasing on an album, only to release a different version as a single and still another to accompany the video because we never got it right. And that we had to drop from our setlists because we couldn't play it. Good times!'

I personally enjoy the debate and the sharing of differing opinions - place is duller and boring without them!

I just found the 'why all the Pop threads' and a couple of other comments you made were not in the spirit of things.....your general tone and points were well made enough aside from those things.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Canadanne on March 06, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
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If someone was making posts like the ones above from saint in a thread about ATYCLB or HTDAAB there would be people having a right good moan as they are right now elsewhere in the forum about 'negativity/trashing stuff people love' etc....

As it happens I personally just see differing opinions as just that - differing opinions but it does seem that because u2 seem to dislike (for want of a better word) Pop that it gives people 'the right' to have a dig - a dig like people moan about when it is aimed at records that they like or that are 'u2 approved'....

It all smacks a little of double standards to me.

Yes..on your point.. there's a thread about loving crazy tonight. I steered well clear as I simply don't have anything positive to say about that song and thought it would just increase my chances of being snuffed from the forum..
The positivity around pop, now I can buy into that.

Same here - Have made a conscious effort to make no comments on threads about songs i don't like etc....

And I'd like to say thank you to everyone who is making that effort (which is exactly what I try to do, too). If only more people would do the same, we might end up with a happier forum.

I think there's a bit of a difference between saying "Pop has no redeeming features! Worst album ever!" and "I like Pop, but I understand why the band may not be keen on playing it".
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: m2 on March 06, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
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I think there's a bit of a difference between saying "Pop has no redeeming features! Worst album ever!" and "I like Pop, but I understand why the band may not be keen on playing it".

Exactly. As we say in the forum rules, HOW you say something is sometimes more important than what you say.

[User hat on]

To get back on topic: For all the reasons Saint expressed above, I'd be shocked if they played any Pop songs on this tour. The only way I could see it making sense is if they play all of JT during the main set, and then the encore just becomes "let's play whatever/who cares what we play" ... but I think we all know U2 well enough to know that's not terribly likely. :) They'll probably have a story they want to tell and it'll play out through the entire show, encore included.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: an tha on March 06, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
It is a pretty safe bet in my view that in a stadium especially with an audience that will have a large number of casual fans and or certainly fans who would probably have passed on the bands more experimental work that these shows will be 'Greatest Hits' plus TJT.

U2 are not exactly renowned for being a band who can just pull out songs at will and with them having to play songs that they have either never played or rarely played from TJT further risks/learning songs from an album they haven't played songs from in nearly 20 years seems unlikely....A more spontaneous band/technically proficient one may but for me not u2.

Their self conciousness/eagerness to appeal to a certain demographic in front of a crowd there largely on a nostalgia kick will for me see them play it pretty safe.

For those hoping for something from Pop I would say a snippet or acoustic song is most likely in these shows if there is to be something.

Could well be wrong though and people going hoping for a curveball or two may get a nice little surprise.

Pop representation on the next tour might be more likely though and possibly makes more sense assuming the 'experience' angle is in play.

Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: tigerfan41 on March 06, 2017, 04:42:21 PM
Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem with Saint's comments. Saint isn't saying that Pop is an awful album. He's simply explaining that it was a commercial failure for the band and that's why they probably won't acknowledge it, much less pay tribute to it on the tour. This is WAY different than people bashing HTDAAB and ATYCLB because the music sucks. One is objective (commercial failure), the other is subjective (opinion of those albums).

As much as I love Pop, it was a commercial failure for its time. The tour did well in some spots and ridiculously poorly in others. That's really indisputable, regardless of if you love or hate the album.

I would love to see a song or two from Pop make its way into their setlists on TJT or I&E tours. I don't expect it, though, because it seems like the band aren't keen on the album. Maybe that's because of the commercial failure or maybe it's a dislike for the music itself. Who knows. Plus they've got such a massive collection of songs that they literally may have no room for Pop in the setlist, not when they're playing another album in its entirety and need to make room for the other standards.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Saint1322 on March 06, 2017, 05:29:22 PM
I in no shape, way or form mean any offense to anyone, nor would I ever believe that any opinion isn't valid. It just seems that this topic - Pop and U2's relationship with it - continues to come up over and over again, and I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

I think everyone mostly understood that, but I wanted to make it crystal clear that we are all fans and we all bring different perspectives to the table. I was in my prime college years during Pop and PopMart, so I was attempting to lend a little perspective as someone who was there, so to speak. I watched the world premiere of Discitheque on MTV, bought Pop the day it was released, skipped class to watch the VH1 live tour announcement from KMart and attended two PopMart shows, one early that was a struggle and one later in the tour that was blistering.

Revisionist history is a powerful thing. None of this makes my opinion any better than anyone else's, but it isn't worth any less, either.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: Thunder Peel on March 07, 2017, 07:56:26 AM
I would rather see them save the Pop songs for the next leg of I+E. I can see songs like Please and Staring at the Sun fitting in nicely with that narrative.
Title: Re: Will U2 play any songs from the Pop album to celebrate its 20th anniversary?
Post by: imaginary friend on March 07, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Maybe not on the NA dates, but I'd be genuinely surprised if "Please", "Staring at the Sun" or "Gone" didn't show up in the setlist on at least a couple of the Euro dates.