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Title: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 11:45:06 AM
So here we are into the last 8 songs from all of u2's album tracks.

This is Group 1.

In this round there are TWO GROUPS OF FOUR SONGS.

Please pick your TWO favourite songs from the group.

Two songs from each group will progress to the semi-finals.

As throughout this tournament the groups have been drawn at random - I used a random number generator on google.

Vote away, folks....we are now entering the business end of things!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 22, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
Ultraviolet, and Streets (even though I know it won't go all the way...I just HAVE to vote for it!)
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 11:50:52 AM
UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 22, 2017, 11:52:39 AM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
This is too hard! I wanted to vote for all four of them!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
This is too hard! I wanted to vote for all four of them!

Was very easy for personally this one but i see how it might be tough for others
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 22, 2017, 11:58:13 AM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
This is too hard! I wanted to vote for all four of them!

Was very easy for personally this one but i see how it might be tough for others
Well, I truly believe that Ultraviolet is one of their best. UTEOTW should win everything, probably...but I can't force my fingers away from the Streets button. Just. Can't.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
This is too hard! I wanted to vote for all four of them!

Was very easy for personally this one but i see how it might be tough for others
Well, I truly believe that Ultraviolet is one of their best. UTEOTW should win everything, probably...but I can't force my fingers away from the Streets button. Just. Can't.

i'd be surprised if anything other than streets won this whole thing...

Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 22, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
Really? huh...it's wonderful, but even I don't think it's their best. With Streets, it's mostly the presentation of the intro and outro...
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
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Really? huh...it's wonderful, but even I don't think it's their best. With Streets, it's mostly the presentation of the intro and outro...

Look back on polls here and i think you'll see it wins a lot...

Personally i have always been very indifferent about it - just not really my thing....but it is obviously much loved.

Anyway been a cracking tournament and still plenty of mileage left in this yet!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 22, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
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Really? huh...it's wonderful, but even I don't think it's their best. With Streets, it's mostly the presentation of the intro and outro...

Look back on polls here and i think you'll see it wins a lot...

Personally i have always been very indifferent about it - just not really my thing....but it is obviously much loved.

Anyway been a cracking tournament and still plenty of mileage left in this yet!
Yes, whatever "cracking" is in Brit-speak! Thank you so much for continuing the tourney!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: U2_One on April 22, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
UTEOTW, Streets
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 22, 2017, 12:39:09 PM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 22, 2017, 12:54:14 PM
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Really? huh...it's wonderful, but even I don't think it's their best. With Streets, it's mostly the presentation of the intro and outro...

Look back on polls here and i think you'll see it wins a lot...

Personally i have always been very indifferent about it - just not really my thing....but it is obviously much loved.

Anyway been a cracking tournament and still plenty of mileage left in this yet!
Yes, whatever "cracking" is in Brit-speak! Thank you so much for continuing the tourney!

You are very welcome....cracking means good by the way...
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Zoomerang77 on April 22, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
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Ultraviolet, and Streets (even though I know it won't go all the way...I just HAVE to vote for it!)

Same here.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Zoomerang77 on April 22, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.
This is too hard! I wanted to vote for all four of them!

Was very easy for personally this one but i see how it might be tough for others
Well, I truly believe that Ultraviolet is one of their best. UTEOTW should win everything, probably...but I can't force my fingers away from the Streets button. Just. Can't.

i'd be surprised if anything other than streets won this whole thing...

Interesting to see UTEOTW eclipsing Streets at the moment. I earlier imagined that The Fly could go all the way. Now to check out Group 2...
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 22, 2017, 10:19:28 PM
UTEOTW & UV

Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on April 23, 2017, 06:20:24 AM
This group is so strong I'd take these 4 tracks before any track from the other group. I went with Streets and UTEOTW
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on April 23, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
I already regret not picking Zooropa and Ultraviolet.  I love all 4.  Chose Streets and UTEOTW.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: The Exile on April 23, 2017, 12:01:14 PM
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UTEOTW and Zooropa for me.

Yep, no contest.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 23, 2017, 12:52:49 PM
Zooropa and Streets.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 23, 2017, 12:54:53 PM
What a great race...I almost wish I'd voted for Zooropa, just so it could be closer in the running!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: DK46 on April 23, 2017, 10:09:20 PM
UTEOTW and Ultraviolet for me, but Zooropa is a huge favorite as well.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: geronimo71 on April 24, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Can't believe Streets is currently third. Is it because it's considered a sure winner or just over familiar?
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 24, 2017, 02:19:05 AM
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Can't believe Streets is currently third. Is it because it's considered a sure winner or just over familiar?

I wouldn't worry too much for it....it has cruised through to this stage and based on average 'turnout' for these polls so far there are probably still around 30 people to still vote and it will pick up votes aplenty.

Plus without giving away the standings to those yet to vote it is hardly trailing behind!!

Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 04:57:08 AM
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Can't believe Streets is currently third. Is it because it's considered a sure winner or just over familiar?

Here we have a strong 90s activism that will vote before everyone else. Then, the casual user of the forum will come and vote for Streets.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 24, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
I am so sick of Streets. It is so, so inferior to the other three songs in this group that it isn't funny. Yet people still vote for it, its their opinion and I respect that. I guess its the same as the Rolling Stones polls, and Grammy awards etc.....winners of musical awards are absolutely no indication of quality - just public choice.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Streets is not inferior.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 24, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 03:01:50 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 24, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 24, 2017, 05:49:36 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

Well, I see I do not need to elaborate, as my wingman WookieWarrior10 obviously has my back!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 24, 2017, 06:26:29 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.

Seriously? Go listen to some classical music then. And what are your favorite U2 songs - 4th of July, Things To Make And Do?
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 24, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

Well, I see I do not need to elaborate, as my wingman WookieWarrior10 obviously has my back!
Haha! I didn't mean to speak for you but I had to say something!
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 24, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.
Are you suggesting that lyrics have no relevance in the quality of music?
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 07:17:10 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.
Are you suggesting that lyrics have no relevance in the quality of music?

I think it can work as a bonus, but it's nothing I pay attention to 95% of the time, since music usually has a lot else going on to pay attention to. Basically, I grew up listening to music in english before I could understand the language, then, from my 18 to my 23 years old, I used to listen to classical music at least 3 hours each day. Therefore, I developed my appreciation for music without any kind of inclination towards lyrics.

Also, I think many of greatest musicians of my country were better lyricists than most english/american/etc composers (including U2), so I think I'd listen to more brazilian music if lyrics were something I'm attached to.

But I do think lyrics do something great for songs, that is, the words and syllables make the melodies much more fluid and nice. And, of course, the meaning behind those words can help the artist to deliver a better perfomance.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 24, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.
Are you suggesting that lyrics have no relevance in the quality of music?

I think it can work as a bonus, but it's nothing I pay attention to 95% of the time, since music usually has a lot else going on to pay attention to. Basically, I grew up listening to music in english before I could understand the language, then, from my 18 to my 23 years old, I used to listen to classical music at least 3 hours each day. Therefore, I developed my appreciation for music without any kind of inclination towards lyrics.

Also, I think many of greatest musicians of my country were better lyricists than most english/american/etc composers (including U2), so I think I'd listen to more brazilian music if lyrics were something I'm attached to.

But I do think lyrics do something great for songs, that is, the words and syllables make the melodies much more fluid and nice. And, of course, the meaning behind those words can help the artist to deliver a better perfomance.
Ok, that makes much more sense. Now that you bring it up, it would really be interesting to experience music without knowing English. Never thought of that before...
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on April 24, 2017, 08:47:31 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 24, 2017, 09:37:30 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.
That organ intro is cheesy and pretentious as hell... nothing remarkable or new at the time. Sure, the guitar effects were unique for their time, but outside of that... what's so remarkable about Streets?

As for Ultraviolet, I like that style of play was sort of new for Edge... not progression-wise, but the wakka-like guitar sound is very un-U2.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.

I don't care for lyrics and, honestly, I think this is an unfortunate criterion to talk about music.
Are you suggesting that lyrics have no relevance in the quality of music?

I think it can work as a bonus, but it's nothing I pay attention to 95% of the time, since music usually has a lot else going on to pay attention to. Basically, I grew up listening to music in english before I could understand the language, then, from my 18 to my 23 years old, I used to listen to classical music at least 3 hours each day. Therefore, I developed my appreciation for music without any kind of inclination towards lyrics.

Also, I think many of greatest musicians of my country were better lyricists than most english/american/etc composers (including U2), so I think I'd listen to more brazilian music if lyrics were something I'm attached to.

But I do think lyrics do something great for songs, that is, the words and syllables make the melodies much more fluid and nice. And, of course, the meaning behind those words can help the artist to deliver a better perfomance.
Ok, that makes much more sense. Now that you bring it up, it would really be interesting to experience music without knowing English. Never thought of that before...

Well, that's easy... just listen to music in other language.

Some beautiful women for you here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRX3SMy8FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6id0U2hGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrWg98pXq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHUl7pj5S_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SWIwW9mg8s
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 24, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.
That organ intro is cheesy and pretentious as hell... nothing remarkable or new at the time. Sure, the guitar effects were unique for their time, but outside of that... what's so remarkable about Streets?

As for Ultraviolet, I like that style of play was sort of new for Edge... not progression-wise, but the wakka-like guitar sound is very un-U2.

What's so cheesy in a ingenious chord progression with lots of interesting sonic layers? Not in the studio version, at least, without Bono's exagerated live cries. Otherwise, that intro is pure brilliance and everything that happens next never lets the energy drop. Larry came up with a really cool rhythmic pattern, Edge is doing many exciting guitar effects and Bono is showing all the power of his voice. As for Adam, he is not doing the bassline of his life, but he's doing what was needed to hold the other three together and keep the fast pacing.

It's really hard to argue that Streets has nothing musically interesting going on, since it's one of the most accomplished U2 songs in many ways (chord progression, innovation [Edge], execution, production value and overall "phenomology").

The thing about Streets, though, is that it's a 5:40 minute song that feels like it ends in a single minute. I just can't feel the time passing.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 25, 2017, 10:30:47 AM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.
That organ intro is cheesy and pretentious as hell... nothing remarkable or new at the time. Sure, the guitar effects were unique for their time, but outside of that... what's so remarkable about Streets?

As for Ultraviolet, I like that style of play was sort of new for Edge... not progression-wise, but the wakka-like guitar sound is very un-U2.

What's so cheesy in a ingenious chord progression with lots of interesting sonic layers? Not in the studio version, at least, without Bono's exagerated live cries. Otherwise, that intro is pure brilliance and everything that happens next never lets the energy drop. Larry came up with a really cool rhythmic pattern, Edge is doing many exciting guitar effects and Bono is showing all the power of his voice. As for Adam, he is not doing the bassline of his life, but he's doing what was needed to hold the other three together and keep the fast pacing.

It's really hard to argue that Streets has nothing musically interesting going on, since it's one of the most accomplished U2 songs in many ways (chord progression, innovation [Edge], execution, production value and overall "phenomology").

The thing about Streets, though, is that it's a 5:40 minute song that feels like it ends in a single minute. I just can't feel the time passing.
You do bring up some good points... maybe it's not as cheesy as I find it pretentious.

I do think Larry's tom-playing is different for a U2 song, and Adam does a great job of serving the song well. I still disagree with you on Edge's part, though. It is an interesting chord-progression, but nothing spectacular.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: lucas.homem on April 25, 2017, 10:36:15 AM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.
That organ intro is cheesy and pretentious as hell... nothing remarkable or new at the time. Sure, the guitar effects were unique for their time, but outside of that... what's so remarkable about Streets?

As for Ultraviolet, I like that style of play was sort of new for Edge... not progression-wise, but the wakka-like guitar sound is very un-U2.

What's so cheesy in a ingenious chord progression with lots of interesting sonic layers? Not in the studio version, at least, without Bono's exagerated live cries. Otherwise, that intro is pure brilliance and everything that happens next never lets the energy drop. Larry came up with a really cool rhythmic pattern, Edge is doing many exciting guitar effects and Bono is showing all the power of his voice. As for Adam, he is not doing the bassline of his life, but he's doing what was needed to hold the other three together and keep the fast pacing.

It's really hard to argue that Streets has nothing musically interesting going on, since it's one of the most accomplished U2 songs in many ways (chord progression, innovation [Edge], execution, production value and overall "phenomology").

The thing about Streets, though, is that it's a 5:40 minute song that feels like it ends in a single minute. I just can't feel the time passing.
You do bring up some good points... maybe it's not as cheesy as I find it pretentious.

I do think Larry's tom-playing is different for a U2 song, and Adam does a great job of serving the song well. I still disagree with you on Edge's part, though. It is an interesting chord-progression, but nothing spectacular.

Pretentious is good, me think, especially when they deliver what they promised.

As for Edge, I like everything he's done throughout the song.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: Spacejunk69 on April 25, 2017, 10:44:50 AM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on April 25, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
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Streets is not inferior.

Yes it is. Musically. Structurally and lyrically.

Streets is so by the numbers. Where as the other three songs in this group are anything but.

Elaborate, please.
I don't think that point needs to be elaborated upon... Zooropa, Until The End Of The World, and Ultraviolet are far more interesting and inventive songs than Streets. Look at the first few lines of Streets, for example:

Quote
I wanna run, I want to hide
I wanna tear down the walls
That hold me inside.
I wanna reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name.

This is very basic writing, honestly. You have your typical U2-isms in there (I wanna..., reaching out for a flame, etc.). The other sons in the poll, however, are written in unique styles that Bono hadn't touched up until that point.

Lyrically, Zooropa is almost discombobulated in its stitched-together-sounding combination of catchphrases and taglines that make for an interesting contrast to the song's other-worldly qualities.

Until The End Of World is written from the first-person and is the first instance I am aware of Bono writing in character in the U2 canon.

Ultraviolet (Light My Way) is more of a stretch because it is the most basic of these three. You can argue that Bono's introduction of the word "baby" is unique for a U2 song and makes Ultraviolet a better lyric than Streets, but I wouldn't go there.

All three are far more interesting than Streets when it comes to instrumentation, something I don't really need in-depth about.
Ultraviolet is more interesting than Streets musically? Sorry but no. Streets has an amazing intro and outro done in a way that was new at the time. How many guitarists spent hours trying to understand how Edge got that sound? Rhythmically, Streets is very interesting too. All the songs in this group are great. I didn't vote for Ultraviolet, but I don't feel the need to say it basically takes chord progressions from other U2 songs and uses the same guitar style Edge used throughout the late 80's. It's as U2 sounding as it can get.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.
Well can you elaborate?
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: The Exile on April 25, 2017, 01:11:26 PM
For my part, as much as I love Ultraviolet, it is the Streets of Achtung Baby. By that I mean that it's the easiest song for someone raised on '80s U2 to like. Great song, but pretty safe and unchallenging.

Zooropa, on the other hand....
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on April 25, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
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For my part, as much as I love Ultraviolet, it is the Streets of Achtung Baby. By that I mean that it's the easiest song for someone raised on '80s U2 to like. Great song, but pretty safe and unchallenging.

Zooropa, on the other hand....
There you go. That's kind of the point I was trying to make, but you said it way better.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: The Exile on April 25, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
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For my part, as much as I love Ultraviolet, it is the Streets of Achtung Baby. By that I mean that it's the easiest song for someone raised on '80s U2 to like. Great song, but pretty safe and unchallenging.

Zooropa, on the other hand....
There you go. That's kind of the point I was trying to make, but you said it way better.

Aww, shucks (shoving hands into pockets and staring sheepishly at the ground).
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 25, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
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For my part, as much as I love Ultraviolet, it is the Streets of Achtung Baby. By that I mean that it's the easiest song for someone raised on '80s U2 to like. Great song, but pretty safe and unchallenging.

Zooropa, on the other hand....
It's undoubtably the most accessible song on Achtung Baby... maybe behind Wild Horses.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: geronimo71 on April 25, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
Don't get me started about Wild Horses. It's the start of U2's period of 'writing a hit by numbers'. See also Staring At The Sun, Walk On, plus most of Songs Of Innocence.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on April 25, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
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Don't get me started about Wild Horses. It's the start of U2's period of 'writing a hit by numbers'. See also Staring At The Sun, Walk On, plus most of Songs Of Innocence.
While both Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses and Staring At the Sun are very accessible songs, I wouldn't label them as "by the numbers".

Elevation, Vertigo, and Get On Your Boots? That trilogy of crap is done by the numbers. That's just the same rehashed idea repeated across three separate albums, whereas SATS and Wild Horses are unique as can be in U2's discography. Nothing else the band has produced sounds remotely close to either of them.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: World71R on April 26, 2017, 09:17:45 AM
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Don't get me started about Wild Horses. It's the start of U2's period of 'writing a hit by numbers'. See also Staring At The Sun, Walk On, plus most of Songs Of Innocence.
While both Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses and Staring At the Sun are very accessible songs, I wouldn't label them as "by the numbers".

Elevation, Vertigo, and Get On Your Boots? That trilogy of crap is done by the numbers. That's just the same rehashed idea repeated across three separate albums, whereas SATS and Wild Horses are unique as can be in U2's discography. Nothing else the band has produced sounds remotely close to either of them.

Vertigo might be the most by the number sonically since there's nothing wild or crazy going on, like the effect heavy riff on Elevation and the intense drive the instrumentation has on GOYB, but it's still an alright tune and doesn't get stale by the end like the other two do. What I think hurts these songs is the lyrics (all three), the vocal ad-libs & structure (Elevation and GOYB), and the fact that the formula was re-hashed so many times (similarly put together hard 'rawk' song as lead single).
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: an tha on April 29, 2017, 04:21:31 PM
Until The End of The World and Where The Streets Have No Name qualify for the Last 4.
Title: Re: U2 Album Track Tournament Round 5 / Group 1
Post by: riffraff on April 29, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
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Until The End of The World and Where The Streets Have No Name qualify for the Last 4.
YAY!