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Title: The little things that give you away
Post by: very good on May 04, 2017, 11:06:01 AM
https://youtu.be/hxYUFGypays

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on May 04, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
Amazing. Gives me chills.  Can't wait to hear this on SOE
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Post by: gujuju on May 04, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
Sounds promising.   Hopefully they get the production right-- to me that's the key.  I'm optimistic given how long they've been living with this song
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on May 04, 2017, 12:52:23 PM
What a beautiful sound! I really look forward to the new album. Wow!!!! Makes me happy to hear that.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 04, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
Sounds great, reminds me of this recording from a few years ago, clip 2


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lK5tMJQQ3-s
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: BONO31 on May 04, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
This song is not "the little things that give you away",

it's a song called "Sometimes", here's the lyrics:
https://www.instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/

And here are the lyrics of "the little things that give you away"
"The night gave you a song,
a light had been turned on,
You walked out in the world
like you belonged there
As easy as a breeze,
each heart was yours to tease
Is it only me who sees thereís something wrong here
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that reveal and betray
Has the hunter now become the prey
Itís the little things, the little things
That give you away
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís cos you were busy talking at me
Not to me
You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom, it might cost you your liberty
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that reveal and betray
Has the hunter now become the prey
Itís the little things, the little things that give you away"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 04, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
^ It's the little things that give you away. He says it in the song
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: xy on May 04, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
Thoughts ? At this sound quality, none.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: codeguy on May 04, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
Having not yet listened to this song, it sounds like something from the code zero album :-P
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 04, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
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Thoughts ? At this sound quality, none.

Buy some good headphones
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 04, 2017, 03:28:27 PM
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Thoughts ? At this sound quality, none.

Buy some good headphones

Strange advice. invest in good headphones in order to get a slightly better idea of what a rehearsal version of a leaked song recorded in a car park on a phone outside of a stadium sounds like?

Maybe just wait for A better version however long it takes?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on May 04, 2017, 03:33:25 PM
I've just played it to my Galleria Mellonella.....It said "Sorry an tha - I need better headphones"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 04, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Doesn't sound good, at least from what I can make out... dreadful melody and boring instrumental. I'm done with Edge resorting to these boring piano chord progressions-- bring on the guitar again! The baseline does sound good, though... again, from what I can make out...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 04, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
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Doesn't sound good, at least from what I can make out... dreadful melody and boring instrumental. I'm done with Edge resorting to these boring piano chord progressions-- bring on the guitar again! The baseline does sound good, though... again, from what I can make out...

I hear another solo like invisible
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on May 04, 2017, 04:04:53 PM
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This song is not "the little things that give you away",

it's a song called "Sometimes", here's the lyrics:
https://www.instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/

And here are the lyrics of "the little things that give you away"
"The night gave you a song,
a light had been turned on,
You walked out in the world
like you belonged there
As easy as a breeze,
each heart was yours to tease
Is it only me who sees thereís something wrong here
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that reveal and betray
Has the hunter now become the prey
Itís the little things, the little things
That give you away
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís cos you were busy talking at me
Not to me
You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom, it might cost you your liberty
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that reveal and betray
Has the hunter now become the prey
Itís the little things, the little things that give you away"

This guy is right. It may not necessarily be called sometimes but the lyrics match up.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: codeguy on May 04, 2017, 04:08:03 PM
The sound quality isn't great but this does sound like it has the potential to be another MOS or BAD.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: aussieu2 on May 04, 2017, 04:40:27 PM
this thread is 2 pages long and no one has called it TLTTGYA yet
Title: The little things that give you away
Post by: aviastar on May 04, 2017, 04:41:50 PM
It sounds like it has potential but even with the best of sound equipment it's really hard to hear the aspects of the song that make it distinctly U2.  We will just have to be patient.

I am excited to hear it though...as I said in another thread it sounds like it will be epic and good.


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: drjako on May 04, 2017, 04:58:49 PM
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Doesn't sound good, at least from what I can make out... dreadful melody and boring instrumental. I'm done with Edge resorting to these boring piano chord progressions-- bring on the guitar again! The baseline does sound good, though... again, from what I can make out...

I agree. That was the first thing that hit me whe SOI was released: a lot of the tracks having boring piano progressions.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Sonnyu2 on May 04, 2017, 05:52:20 PM
I agree that it matches up to the "Sometimes" lyrics. I def don't hear "The Little Things That Give You Away" anywhere in the clips. But, time will tell....

I think it has potential for sure though, whatever song it is.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 04, 2017, 06:10:27 PM
Relistened very loudly. It seems like the he's singing and then says "the little things that give you away" then the song takes a turn. Drums come in and he starts singing the sometimes lyrics. It's most likely a bridge, but it is there and part of the song. Same song
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 04, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
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Relistened very loudly. It seems like the he's singing and then says "the little things that give you away" then the song takes a turn. Drums come in and he starts singing the sometimes lyrics. It's most likely a bridge, but it is there and part of the song. Same song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=hxYUFGypays

"Your big mouth in the way
It's the little things that reveal and betray
Has the hunter now become the prey
It's the little things, the little things that give you away (0:17 - 0:22)

(Piano and bono)

Sometimes I see my self in distance
Sometimes I can't believe my existence
...

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tommyboy6913 on May 04, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
I'm really digging this new track. Though the audio is crappy, the song itself sounds like a potential hit!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 05, 2017, 02:58:21 AM
I'm digging the rhythm, nice drumming from Larry too.

Reminds me of Mercy.

Ooh, I hit 1999 posts! Let's party like it's...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Dali on May 05, 2017, 05:12:44 AM
It's great way to find out they are about to play a few new songs on this upcoming tour, too.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: boom boom on May 05, 2017, 05:52:28 AM
They could just be rehearsing it for their own purposes, maybe seeing how it would sound live for the next tour.  I really don't think we will get new songs on this tour.
I would not think they would want to get the song out before the studio version is officially out.  They have never done this before. 
If they do play this song I highly doubt it will end up on SOE.  It could just be a leftover that didn't make the final cut on the album but could end up being a b-side or bonus track.
Just like when they played Mercy and North Star on 360, these are songs that never ended up on any U2 studio album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 05, 2017, 11:22:26 AM
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The sound quality isn't great but this does sound like it has the potential to be another MOS or BAD.

Don't get me too excited! MoS is easily one of the best songs they've done the last 20 years. I would be incredibly excited if this new song ends up living up to that.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Peter Parker on May 05, 2017, 11:28:33 AM
Listened with headphones and got goosebumps! Awesome drumming and build up to some kind of crescendo. Hear guitar too. Me like very much! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zoo world order on May 05, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Sounds promising even though its muffled. I doubt if they would rehearse this now if they were not going to try it out live in front of an audience.I'd imagine the rehearsal time is not up for wasting on another agenda.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: danlougee on May 05, 2017, 12:55:21 PM
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They could just be rehearsing it for their own purposes, maybe seeing how it would sound live for the next tour.  I really don't think we will get new songs on this tour.
I would not think they would want to get the song out before the studio version is officially out.  They have never done this before. 
If they do play this song I highly doubt it will end up on SOE.  It could just be a leftover that didn't make the final cut on the album but could end up being a b-side or bonus track.
Just like when they played Mercy and North Star on 360, these are songs that never ended up on any U2 studio album.
*Cough cough* Every Breaking Wave
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Post by: blovesu2 on May 05, 2017, 01:41:02 PM
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The sound quality isn't great but this does sound like it has the potential to be another MOS or BAD.

Don't get me too excited! MoS is easily one of the best songs they've done the last 20 years. I would be incredibly excited if this new song ends up living up to that.

I second that. Anything remotely close to MOS would be very, very exciting
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 05, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
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They could just be rehearsing it for their own purposes, maybe seeing how it would sound live for the next tour.  I really don't think we will get new songs on this tour.
I would not think they would want to get the song out before the studio version is officially out.  They have never done this before. 
If they do play this song I highly doubt it will end up on SOE.  It could just be a leftover that didn't make the final cut on the album but could end up being a b-side or bonus track.
Just like when they played Mercy and North Star on 360, these are songs that never ended up on any U2 studio album.
*Cough cough* Every Breaking Wave
*Cough cough* Volcano, Lucifers Hands (*Cough* al little bit modified *Cough*)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 05, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
Musically I'm sure it will be fine and very u2 by numbers. The vocal melody doesn't seem up to much imho.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 06, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
This song sounds very U2. Very. But happens that I actually like U2, so... huh.

Seriously now, I do think this song can be exciting. Nothing new or impressive for now, but a good use of the tricks they've already learned. I especially like how the instrumentation variates from a more balladlike song to something more epic. It's like 00's U2 all over again, but spiced with a little TUF.

It probably won't be my favourite from SOE, but if they release it as a single, it will probably be my favourite single of theirs in a long long time (not something difficult, I know).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Smee on May 07, 2017, 07:22:47 AM
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Thoughts ? At this sound quality, none.

^This
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on May 08, 2017, 04:16:16 PM
very anxious to be hearing this live on Friday !
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: padrepio on May 10, 2017, 02:01:30 PM
this song sounds like "an old school proper " U2 song....a song that us old timer, long termers have been waiting a while for...sounds fantastic......heres hoping
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mikepd on May 10, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
hmm hard to judge - with Bowers  & Wilkins fantastic headphones -bit not really going to get too excited    I want loud, raw rock 'n' roll but don't expect to get that unfortunately
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 13, 2017, 12:21:50 AM
I think the song is great!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Peter Parker on May 13, 2017, 12:24:55 AM
I love the new song. Canīt wait for the YT videos! Awesome!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zoo world order on May 13, 2017, 12:30:55 AM
Just heard the song it sounds great!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: dougie on May 13, 2017, 12:38:17 AM
The song got more intense throughout. Really enjoyed it! Great show!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: fresno dave on May 13, 2017, 01:15:53 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_wLwlU9P78M
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 13, 2017, 01:35:21 AM
Outstanding. Already one of my top 10 U2 songs. Very Mercy. Hope they keep it as raw on the album. Very moving when the guitar kicks in and waves over Bono. A moment of magic
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Post by: The Edges Cat on May 13, 2017, 01:38:37 AM
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Outstanding. Already one of my top 10 U2 songs. Very Mercy.

First thing that popped into my head too, very Mercy.

Wow. The wait for SoE is going to be so worth it, if Little Things is any indication. Fantastic song.

oooh, I love how the song builds and builds, ascending.... songs of ascension!

"The end is here..." God I hope not.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Albono on May 13, 2017, 01:41:02 AM
Not bad. Not bad at all...
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Post by: The Edges Cat on May 13, 2017, 01:41:33 AM
Lovin' Larry's work. Take a bow, mate.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 01:53:46 AM
There's a part of the guitar that reminds me of Winter (the song).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 01:59:24 AM
The whole song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNz01xLwkc
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JoRu on May 13, 2017, 02:33:17 AM
I think it has potential, but I hope they end up with a more interesting arrangement on the album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 03:07:03 AM
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I think it has potential, but I hope they end up with a more interesting arrangement on the album.

Exactly.

I can enjoy this song, even if its not my favorite flavour of tea, but I do hope they give more instrumental substance to that whole part where Edge is playing the piano. Otherwise, I fear the song will cause me some fatigue pretty soon.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 03:08:40 AM
But gotta lova the fact that the song has almost 6 minutes and just goes on and on. I like this kind of thing :)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: drjako on May 13, 2017, 04:02:19 AM
Pretty boring, IMO.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: two hearts on May 13, 2017, 04:13:41 AM
Was hoping for something a bit different, The song could of been on any of the last four U2 albums.  I do like it, Beautiful Melody.
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Post by: jpodrug on May 13, 2017, 05:10:22 AM
Why do they force the piano so much? I do like NYD and RTSS, but piano doesn't fit U2 thing at all.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MattD on May 13, 2017, 05:14:56 AM
Nothing different but a nice song, nice melody though. But the cliched uninspired Coldplayish lyrics don't inspire confidence, so it's not anywhere near the level of Moment of Surrender or Bad.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: briscoetheque on May 13, 2017, 05:15:20 AM
It was a good version of U2 doing an Ed Sheeran version of a Taylor Swift version of a U2 song.

The love child of a sexy 3 way between Castle on the Hill, State of Grace, and Mercy...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on May 13, 2017, 05:16:53 AM
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The whole song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNz01xLwkc

Gives me chills!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 13, 2017, 05:17:03 AM
Amazing, the lyrics are very moving. Also like the arrangement and how they pick up the pace after the second chorus. Very excited for SOE after hearing this
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zeeTV on May 13, 2017, 06:29:33 AM
Oh Lord that BEAT. Yes Boys...

Just heard the live version, its quite beautiful.
Bono serving me with the vocals
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: pdk on May 13, 2017, 06:53:02 AM
It's simply...okay.  Judging by last night's performance.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on May 13, 2017, 06:59:56 AM
Just seen it....here are my initial thoughts.... i'd like to think that they have a bit more fire in their bellies and creative devil still than this sort of pretty cliched stuff....it's pleasant enough as a tune but in all honesty would people here be raving about it if the likes of coldplay, snow patrol, travis, keane, embrace etc etc etc were turning this out as a new song......i used those bands as the song strikes me as the sort of stuff any of them could churn out and indeed have done.

The version that may arrive on any album is highly likely of course to be highly polished up as well as we all know how u2 have a habit of doing that.

It isn't the sort of song i personally dislike hugely - but it certainly isn't the sort of stuff that gets my pulse racing either - feels a bit bland, cliched and a bit safe for me. It isn't horrible by any means but i just feel like it isn't the sort of song that is gonna make a big statement and is u2 in their comfort zone.

That said a couple of listens to a song being played live recorded on a phone and said song being played live for the first time isn't really for me an ideal base from which to be forming opinions that are too strong either way.

As for clues about SoE? Well again i'd say holding back from forming too strong an opinion is wise...

SFS and SLABT for example spring to mind....Imagine hearing either as first possible taste of a new album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: pdk on May 13, 2017, 07:02:07 AM
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Just seen it....here are my initial thoughts.... i'd like to think that they have a bit more fire in their bellies and creative devil still than this sort of pretty cliched stuff....it's pleasant enough as a tune but in all honesty would people here be raving about it if the likes of coldplay, snow patrol, travis, keane, embrace etc etc etc were turning this out as a new song......i used those bands as the song strikes me as the sort of stuff any of them could churn out and indeed have done.

The version that may arrive on any album is highly likely of course to be highly polished up as well as we all know how u2 have a habit of doing that.

It isn't the sort of song i personally dislike hugely - but it certainly isn't the sort of stuff that gets my pulse racing either - feels a bit bland, cliched and a bit safe for me.

That said a couple of listens to a song being played live recorded on a phone and said song being played live for the first time isn't really for me an ideal base from which to be forming opinions that are too strong either way.

As for clues about SoE? Well again i'd say holding back from forming too strong an opinion is wise...

SFS and SLABT for example spring to mind....Imagine hearing either as first possible taste of a new album.

Dude... It's so auto-pilot.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 13, 2017, 07:05:46 AM
I don't think they should play un released material it doesn't work I even like the song but it's hard to relate to given we haven't heard the studio version, same goes for mercy, North Star and all the others played on 360.

Give me a song from SOI over SOE. Or wait till you release the album and then play them live. It doesn't work for me this way round.

Or just play some vintage stuff. This is the tour to do so. More than any other.

Looked a great show though.


Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: TheU2Ken on May 13, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
I dig it
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Smee on May 13, 2017, 07:37:03 AM
As far as the new song goes. Im left feeling a bit underwhelemd (upon first few listens)
Really has the sound of an unfinished studio Jam to it. Its a real plodder. I thought it was going to take off when Edge switched to guitar....but nah....all we got was some stereotypical heavily delayed noodling guitar.
Perhaps it will grow on me, perhaps not....but there are a million and one other u2 tunes i have felt more pleased by upon first hearing
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 07:38:38 AM
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Just seen it....here are my initial thoughts.... i'd like to think that they have a bit more fire in their bellies and creative devil still than this sort of pretty cliched stuff....it's pleasant enough as a tune but in all honesty would people here be raving about it if the likes of coldplay, snow patrol, travis, keane, embrace etc etc etc were turning this out as a new song......i used those bands as the song strikes me as the sort of stuff any of them could churn out and indeed have done.

In all honesty, I think many fans and casuals will love this song when it's released. In fact, even if a little outdated, this song may be the closest thing they've done recently to a hit (don't know about Top 40).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Mark72 on May 13, 2017, 07:59:39 AM
Mmmm its OK. I reserve judgement until I hear the studio version. One comment made me laugh out loud on youtube... "Needs More Noel Gallagher!"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Argo on May 13, 2017, 08:26:41 AM
Interesting to hear views on how people compare Little Things to Mercy and even Every Breaking Wave and North Star from the 360 Tour. I'd probably go with Mercy slightly. But not a lot in it and not enough going for any of these songs.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 13, 2017, 08:31:25 AM
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Interesting to hear views on how people compare Little Things to Mercy and even Every Breaking Wave and North Star from the 360 Tour. I'd probably go with Mercy slightly. But not a lot in it and not enough going for any of these songs.

I wasn't comparing the songs, I was comparing U2 road testing them as per M, EBW and NS on 360.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: aviastar on May 13, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
I feel like there is a message in this song...they are closing the show with it...."sometimes the end is near" I think the line is.  Are they trying to tell us something?


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Aprilshack on May 13, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
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I feel like there is a message in this song...they are closing the show with it...."sometimes the end is near" I think the line is.  Are they trying to tell us something?


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Don't even go there....

Sounds ok, but need to listen to a studio version with headphones.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on May 13, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
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Just seen it....here are my initial thoughts.... i'd like to think that they have a bit more fire in their bellies and creative devil still than this sort of pretty cliched stuff....it's pleasant enough as a tune but in all honesty would people here be raving about it if the likes of coldplay, snow patrol, travis, keane, embrace etc etc etc were turning this out as a new song......i used those bands as the song strikes me as the sort of stuff any of them could churn out and indeed have done.

The version that may arrive on any album is highly likely of course to be highly polished up as well as we all know how u2 have a habit of doing that.

It isn't the sort of song i personally dislike hugely - but it certainly isn't the sort of stuff that gets my pulse racing either - feels a bit bland, cliched and a bit safe for me. It isn't horrible by any means but i just feel like it isn't the sort of song that is gonna make a big statement and is u2 in their comfort zone.

That said a couple of listens to a song being played live recorded on a phone and said song being played live for the first time isn't really for me an ideal base from which to be forming opinions that are too strong either way.

As for clues about SoE? Well again i'd say holding back from forming too strong an opinion is wise...

SFS and SLABT for example spring to mind....Imagine hearing either as first possible taste of a new album.
I posted somewhere(I think Vancouver thread) last night so sorry for sounding like broken record. BUT...if you listen to the piano it totally sounds like the "near,far,wherever you are" part from the Titanic theme song. I can't UNhear it. It actually made me chuckle.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 13, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
Listening agin, the transition from "little things" to "sometimes" reminds me of the best thing, when bono goes "why am I walking away" and then he starts singing again. It just seems to abrupt and not a smooth transition. And the song feels like two in one which I'm not sure if I like or dislike. That reminds me of XXX how the song totally shifts. It's not bad at all, but up their with the best? I don't think so.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 13, 2017, 10:01:17 AM
Mercy might be stronger, but this is better just because it's new and I've been listening to mercy for the past 9 years
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: dan on May 13, 2017, 10:11:32 AM
If it doesn't sound like 'Pop' its not going to get a good review on here by some people.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on May 13, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
It sounds like it would be on the list of 2000s songs that while they didn't do much to break any new ground really or experiment much, overall it sounded really good. I liked the build up to the climax at the ends, and I actually like the vagueness of the lyrics for the entire ending climax of the song. I dig it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 13, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
Honestly, I think the song has a lot of potential. I wasn't sold on it at first but as the song built up, I liked it quite a bit more. Still way too early to judge it, though.

As far as it being a show closer? I don't like it in that spot. It feels very anti-climatic as a show closer so I'm hoping they decide to tack another song on at the end, like maybe "40".
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
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Listening agin, the transition from "little things" to "sometimes" reminds me of the best thing, when bono goes "why am I walking away" and then he starts singing again. It just seems to abrupt and not a smooth transition. And the song feels like two in one which I'm not sure if I like or dislike. That reminds me of XXX how the song totally shifts. It's not bad at all, but up their with the best? I don't think so.

There's a shift, but it's nothing near that abrupt.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: magmazing on May 13, 2017, 10:54:22 AM
My video of the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CwiBC83Wgc
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on May 13, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
My first view, I was a little, meh. But after watching it a few times now, it's seriously growing on me.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 13, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
To me, this song sounded very boring and "by the numbers"... the song is largely unoffensive and "safe". It never really goes anywhere after that initial build-up, it just kind of hangs there in this weird U2 limbo.

I do expect that the album version will have a different arrangement, because Edge's piano bit sounds way too pedestrian and boring. I'm tired of this typicality of Edge nowadays... for each of the last four albums he has been largely unspectacular. There's no more wow factor with his performances. Which brings up a good question-- has Edge "lost it"? Is he holding himself back, or is the band restraining him?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MattD on May 13, 2017, 11:04:47 AM
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If it doesn't sound like 'Pop' its not going to get a good review on here by some people.

It's a decent song. But by U2s high standards, it's just another generic emotional ballad.

How many of them do we really need? I agree with an tha - this is something I expect from Coldplay, Travis, Embrace. Granted I like those bands rather than love them but there's a reason why U2 are great.

Despite being a merely pleasant song, this is not it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: CLarryG on May 13, 2017, 11:15:18 AM
For the love of god, PLEASE stop these sleepy, piano ballads, before U2 turns into a lounge act. Sounds like EBW which sent me to the men's room and I got another beer.  I hope this is not indicative of what SOE is. So not interesting. Zzzzzz.....!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zoo world order on May 13, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
After hearing it live I think it's fantastic and beautiful. I'm just glad u2 are still making music and appreciate every bit of it. They won't be doing this forever.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MASTER YODA on May 13, 2017, 11:17:37 AM
Better than most of SOI
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on May 13, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
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If it doesn't sound like 'Pop' its not going to get a good review on here by some people.

What are your thoughts on the song?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 13, 2017, 11:35:52 AM
The more I listen, the more I like it. The ending of show when they gathered together was really moving and with Bono singing about "the end" I couldn't help but think are they hinting that their time is nearly up as a band? I know i'm not alone in thinking this but I sure hope that's not the case, it'll be interesting to see how this one develops over time on this tour and when it might potentially be released
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on May 13, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
to say this song doesn't go anywhere...watch this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CwiBC83Wgc

Love the guys all getting together and jamming!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 13, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
I much prefer this to MOS because this is climatic and a great final jam. MOS is boring beyond the first verse
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 13, 2017, 12:17:26 PM
My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 13, 2017, 12:26:17 PM
Im still thinking a double album is on the way with Experience and Ascent...this could be the closing song of Ascent...and The End
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ZEROpartII on May 13, 2017, 12:31:37 PM
I like it.  It's a song for their time.  I keep hearing a Sinatra-esque eloquence in the melody in the first half. Then instead of puttering around the song turns into an inverse anthem, ramping up to its climax.  Mature songcraft.


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: U2_One on May 13, 2017, 12:33:11 PM
It's a grower. I liked what it built up to and where it ended up. Know it isn't the first time, but I find it's interesting to debut a song in a live setting. Would like to see it stick around the setlist.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 13, 2017, 12:33:15 PM
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I like it.  It's a song for their time.  I keep hearing a Sinatra-esque eloquence in the melody in the first half. Then instead of puttering around the song turns into an inverse anthem, ramping up to its climax.  Mature songcraft.


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Agreed.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: xy on May 13, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
Meh. Bog standard U2 the likes of which they can probably produce in their sleep.

Let's wait for a full studio version for a complete assesment though.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 13, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
I just gave it another listen on @U2's YouTube channel... which is of much better quality, so thank you to the staff-member who does the uploads!

I find the first half of the song to be pretty uninteresting. The electronic drumming at the start sounds superimposed over the piano bit and clunky. Actually, the entire first half sounds clunky and stitched-together. The chorus is underwhelming and I dislike the lyrics here, but it isn't horrible.

After the first chorus, Larry's live drumming kicks in and it brings more life to the song, thankfully. Adam's bass-line sounds fantastic, as well. I am very excited to hear him on SOE! He is noticeably impressive on both the Kendrick Lamar track and this song.

Eventually, Edge finally makes an appearance on guitar during the "sometimes" section of the song. At first, his stratchy guitar is unwelcoming and feels rather thrown-in... but it does start to feel more natural when his solo kicks in (which sounds great, by the way). At the end of Edge's solo, Bono sings "sometimes" again and is where I expect Little Things to finish. However, it does continue for a few more bars as Bono repeats his lyric. That's a small thing, but it feels almost pretentious... sort of like the ending to One Tree Hill.

Overall, it's a decent track. Some of the issues I noted (clunkiness, especially) probably aren't even present in the studio version of this track. After all, the only incarnation we have of this song is the first-ever live performance of it! I can't definitively state that it is good or bad until I've heard an official release.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 13, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
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I like it.  It's a song for their time.  I keep hearing a Sinatra-esque eloquence in the melody in the first half. Then instead of puttering around the song turns into an inverse anthem, ramping up to its climax.  Mature songcraft.


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This was one of my first feelings I had about the song. U2 could not have done something like this 25+ years ago.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Rasmus on May 13, 2017, 01:24:55 PM
I think its a good song with very personal lyrics from Bono. The lyrics makes this song for me - would love an interpretation of them - though it would benefit from a more interesting arrangement.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MattD on May 13, 2017, 03:27:41 PM
Okay, while listening to it again, I think the lyrics are far superior than anything from that first half of Songs of Innocence (the only bit to rival is the 'the stars are bright but do they know, the universe is beautiful but cold' from Iris). Reading through the lyrics as I was listening to the song, I was moved a lot more when concentrating on it, and some of the cliches I thought were there were actually me mishearing a couple of lyrics (e.g. I thought it was 'I wake at four in the morning/when the darkness has fallen'!).

The little bit that goes "Oh, Iím not a ghost there, I can see you, you need to see me" was something that seemed to strike a chord with its desperate emotive plea.

The song itself is much better than anything in that first half of Songs of Innocence too.

For a slow stately song, at least it isn't anything like the utter dreck that is Song For Someone. Something to build upon and I hope there's some more ambitious stuff on it too obviously.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
Here's a link with the best audio I've heard so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4LJRspFxtI

The song is beautiful. Beautiful indeed. I just really really wish there's more to it than that piano. PLEASE U2 I HAVE NEVER ASKED YOU ANYTHING!!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
A lot of comparisons with Mercy (understandable), but I'd say this song has the vibe of Disappearing Act too.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 13, 2017, 04:08:18 PM
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Okay, while listening to it again, I think the lyrics are far superior than anything from that first half of Songs of Innocence (the only bit to rival is the 'the stars are bright but do they know, the universe is beautiful but cold' from Iris). Reading through the lyrics as I was listening to the song, I was moved a lot more when concentrating on it, and some of the cliches I thought were there were actually me mishearing a couple of lyrics (e.g. I thought it was 'I wake at four in the morning/when the darkness has fallen'!).

The little bit that goes "Oh, Iím not a ghost there, I can see you, you need to see me" was something that seemed to strike a chord with its desperate emotive plea.

The song itself is much better than anything in that first half of Songs of Innocence too.

For a slow stately song, at least it isn't anything like the utter dreck that is Song For Someone. Something to build upon and I hope there's some more ambitious stuff on it too obviously.
Yes, that part just begs for more attention... the piano doesn't do any justice for it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 13, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
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A lot of comparisons with Mercy (understandable), but I'd say this song has the vibe of Disappearing Act too.

Nice comparison!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 13, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

I agree, people are reading way too much into "the end" lyrics. Perhaps because it was used as the final song of the night, but I highly doubt these guys are close to hanging it up. I'd expect they'll tour a bit less in the coming years, but they'll still be around, making the occasional album, much in the same way the Stones have stuck around. And if the Stones can still tour in their 70s after extensive drug use earlier in their career, I see no reason why U2 can't continue to tour well into their 60s or 70s, should they so choose. They all seem to be pretty healthy guys.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 13, 2017, 06:50:37 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

I agree, people are reading way too much into "the end" lyrics. Perhaps because it was used as the final song of the night, but I highly doubt these guys are close to hanging it up. I'd expect they'll tour a bit less in the coming years, but they'll still be around, making the occasional album, much in the same way the Stones have stuck around. And if the Stones can still tour in their 70s after extensive drug use earlier in their career, I see no reason why U2 can't continue to tour well into their 60s or 70s, should they so choose. They all seem to be pretty healthy guys.

Agree tigerfan41.  I'm hoping this is another 'go away and dream it up again' scenario, but I need to wait for the new album to come out and hopefully hear a studio version of 'The Little Things That Give You Away' and see what comes of SOE.  Don't know what has happened to the mooted Songs of Ascent, but I guess I'd like to see a more offbeat, artistic and less commercial U2 in a few years' time.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Stateless on May 13, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
I really like this song.  It is classic U2, but it is different that what they have done in the past.  The structure of the song, lyrics and music is really good and I really want to hear the studio version now.  Hopefully they wont wait too long to release the song officially. 
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 13, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

I agree, people are reading way too much into "the end" lyrics. Perhaps because it was used as the final song of the night, but I highly doubt these guys are close to hanging it up. I'd expect they'll tour a bit less in the coming years, but they'll still be around, making the occasional album, much in the same way the Stones have stuck around. And if the Stones can still tour in their 70s after extensive drug use earlier in their career, I see no reason why U2 can't continue to tour well into their 60s or 70s, should they so choose. They all seem to be pretty healthy guys.

Agree tigerfan41.  I'm hoping this is another 'go away and dream it up again' scenario, but I need to wait for the new album to come out and hopefully hear a studio version of 'The Little Things That Give You Away' and see what comes of SOE.  Don't know what has happened to the mooted Songs of Ascent, but I guess I'd like to see a more offbeat, artistic and less commercial U2 in a few years' time.

It's my understanding that they had around 2-3 albums finished after NLOTH (including SoA) and just never released those. Perhaps someday those songs will get released as bonus tracks. I don't expect them to release SoA at this point, but SoE by year's end is all but a given at this point.

I'd love to see them make music that they're passionate about. Less emphasis on staying relevant/scoring another pop hit, more emphasis on creativity. These guys still have the ability to make great records, it's just the perfectionist tendencies/desire to score a pop hit that's been holding them back the last couple albums.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: lucas.homem on May 13, 2017, 08:22:34 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

I agree, people are reading way too much into "the end" lyrics. Perhaps because it was used as the final song of the night, but I highly doubt these guys are close to hanging it up. I'd expect they'll tour a bit less in the coming years, but they'll still be around, making the occasional album, much in the same way the Stones have stuck around. And if the Stones can still tour in their 70s after extensive drug use earlier in their career, I see no reason why U2 can't continue to tour well into their 60s or 70s, should they so choose. They all seem to be pretty healthy guys.

Agree tigerfan41.  I'm hoping this is another 'go away and dream it up again' scenario, but I need to wait for the new album to come out and hopefully hear a studio version of 'The Little Things That Give You Away' and see what comes of SOE.  Don't know what has happened to the mooted Songs of Ascent, but I guess I'd like to see a more offbeat, artistic and less commercial U2 in a few years' time.

It's my understanding that they had around 2-3 albums finished after NLOTH (including SoA) and just never released those. Perhaps someday those songs will get released as bonus tracks. I don't expect them to release SoA at this point, but SoE by year's end is all but a given at this point.

I'd love to see them make music that they're passionate about. Less emphasis on staying relevant/scoring another pop hit, more emphasis on creativity. These guys still have the ability to make great records, it's just the perfectionist tendencies/desire to score a pop hit that's been holding them back the last couple albums.

I think you are stretching too much the idea of a quick release after NLOTH to think they had 2-3 albums finished. At best, they had a bunch of unfinished ideas and jams that could become songs, like the ones they were playing at the 360 tour (and Winter and Soon).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 13, 2017, 08:42:23 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

I agree, people are reading way too much into "the end" lyrics. Perhaps because it was used as the final song of the night, but I highly doubt these guys are close to hanging it up. I'd expect they'll tour a bit less in the coming years, but they'll still be around, making the occasional album, much in the same way the Stones have stuck around. And if the Stones can still tour in their 70s after extensive drug use earlier in their career, I see no reason why U2 can't continue to tour well into their 60s or 70s, should they so choose. They all seem to be pretty healthy guys.

Agree tigerfan41.  I'm hoping this is another 'go away and dream it up again' scenario, but I need to wait for the new album to come out and hopefully hear a studio version of 'The Little Things That Give You Away' and see what comes of SOE.  Don't know what has happened to the mooted Songs of Ascent, but I guess I'd like to see a more offbeat, artistic and less commercial U2 in a few years' time.

It's my understanding that they had around 2-3 albums finished after NLOTH (including SoA) and just never released those. Perhaps someday those songs will get released as bonus tracks. I don't expect them to release SoA at this point, but SoE by year's end is all but a given at this point.

I'd love to see them make music that they're passionate about. Less emphasis on staying relevant/scoring another pop hit, more emphasis on creativity. These guys still have the ability to make great records, it's just the perfectionist tendencies/desire to score a pop hit that's been holding them back the last couple albums.

I think you are stretching too much the idea of a quick release after NLOTH to think they had 2-3 albums finished. At best, they had a bunch of unfinished ideas and jams that could become songs, like the ones they were playing at the 360 tour (and Winter and Soon).

They had SoA and some sort of dance/electronic album mostly done after NLOTH that we know of. This was around the time they were changing producers constantly, somewhere around 2010/2011/2012. Whether or not these were good songs, who knows. But this is the same band that put out 5 albums during the 80s, 2 albums in quick succession during the 90s, and have been working/delaying albums ever since. I wouldn't doubt that they have dozens/hundreds of songs in the bucket that have never been released.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kurukira on May 13, 2017, 10:03:34 PM
The lyrics are lovely, but for me the music lacks punch, so it's a big MEH from me.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: U2alwaysforever on May 13, 2017, 11:56:37 PM
LOVED IT!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jules on May 14, 2017, 04:45:46 AM
Killer tune!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: wraitii on May 14, 2017, 05:10:25 AM
Bit of Disappearing act, bit of Mercy, bit of North and South of the River.

Seems like it'd be a really solid album track. Feeling the lyrics so far.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: briscoetheque on May 14, 2017, 07:51:54 AM
Edge is just not that good a piano player to be using it as heavily as he does to be honest.

Again though, let's hear the studio version, in the context of the rest of the album, without first night nerves and all that stuff.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Neil Young, man! on May 14, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
Not feeling the melody yet, but really solid lyrics, hats off to Bono!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 14, 2017, 01:17:05 PM
I thought it sounded a little like Aslan - which not necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ZEROpartII on May 14, 2017, 01:24:21 PM
The first verses had the spirit of this guy flowing through
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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 14, 2017, 04:31:43 PM
No doubt Bono's voice is soaring higher than the clouds on this one
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 14, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
It's ok.

I like that it goes places at the end, but does sound like it's a bit of a work in progress in the jamming part.  Not a huge fan of the edge sound at the end, very reminiscent of the cobl guitar part (and probably hundreds of others). The electric beat, bass and keyboard in the main body of the song would have allowed this to take flight in a different sonic direction and try something a bit different, so a shame they didn't.

Like others have said, a studio version is likely to have good potential.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 14, 2017, 06:23:35 PM
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It's ok.

I like that it goes places at the end, but does sound like it's a bit of a work in progress in the jamming part.  Not a huge fan of the edge sound at the end, very reminiscent of the cobl guitar part (and probably hundreds of others). The electric beat, bass and keyboard in the main body of the song would have allowed this to take flight in a different sonic direction and try something a bit different, so a shame they didn't.

Like others have said, a studio version is likely to have good potential.

This song is like the reverse image of Volcano, where I thought the band was doing some interesting things sonically while Bono half-assed the lyrics. This time, I think he's working hard to get into some uncomfortable territory while  simultaneously being blunt and poetic. The band, on the other hand, sound like someone pushed the "generic U2-ish sounding backing track" button on a Casio. And melodically, Bono was just as guilty. There was more of interest melodically in Numb, and I'm not kidding about that. This was really paint-by-numbers and needs a lot of work.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 14, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono not being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on May 14, 2017, 07:39:25 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 14, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

Just thought I should add: There's greatness in that song, but it's buried.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on May 14, 2017, 09:43:04 PM
I have listened to it about five times now.  I want to hear the album version.  But I like it a lot. 

And it makes me wish for the SOE tour to come sooner rather than later, and hopefully get back to the 2000s+2010s catalog.  Frankly I think I'd be more excited to hear Cedarwood Road than WOWY for the 100th time.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Clarky on May 15, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
Upon having listened to this song a couple of times, it really strikes me as one of those quintessential U2 songs. The piano, the way Bono sings the lyrics, the song structure, the guitar coming in near the end. All that means that I do really like it, but at the same time it does feel very familiar and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. I fear that this may be one of those songs that I really dig early on but quickly becomes old after I've lived with it for a couple of months. I get that kind of feeling from it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 15, 2017, 09:52:44 AM
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It's ok.

I like that it goes places at the end, but does sound like it's a bit of a work in progress in the jamming part.  Not a huge fan of the edge sound at the end, very reminiscent of the cobl guitar part (and probably hundreds of others). The electric beat, bass and keyboard in the main body of the song would have allowed this to take flight in a different sonic direction and try something a bit different, so a shame they didn't.

Like others have said, a studio version is likely to have good potential.

This song is like the reverse image of Volcano, where I thought the band was doing some interesting things sonically while Bono half-assed the lyrics. This time, I think he's working hard to get into some uncomfortable territory while  simultaneously being blunt and poetic. The band, on the other hand, sound like someone pushed the "generic U2-ish sounding backing track" button on a Casio. And melodically, Bono was just as guilty. There was more of interest melodically in Numb, and I'm not kidding about that. This was really paint-by-numbers and needs a lot of work.

Fair.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 15, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

I don't think so. I think the next album might be the last one for a while (probably another several year stretch of no new music) but I think they're far from hanging it up entirely. Yes, there's comparisons to the Stones and the Who, but let's be real: U2 is in another category entirely. Those two bands have gone through line up changes, those two bands have had health issues (resulting from rampant drug use during the 60s/70s), those two bands have been slowing down for a long time. The Rolling Stones formed in 1962 and by their 40th anniversary, they were already taking 8 year stretches between albums. The Who formed in 1964 and by their 40th anniversary, they had already disbanded once and have only released one album since 2006--their first in 24 years.

U2, on the other hand, have had a steady pace of a new album every 4-5 years since 2000, tour more frequently than those other two bands, the members themselves seem to be in pretty solid shape and they're all under 60. If they wanted to, they could easily continue to make albums or tour on/off into their 70s. Will they? Who knows. But to compare them to those other bands....well, it's not really an equal comparison. There hasn't been another band with U2's longevity without huge stretches of inactivity.

SoI was an album with a lot of potential and some truly great tracks. Ditto for NLOTH. The problem is, they've been chasing pop relevance for the last 12 years, hoping for another "Beautiful Day" and it's just not going to happen. If they got back to making music that they care about (not that they're trying to score a hit with), this is a band that could continue to make great music for a long time. Tracks like SLAABT prove this. Even this new track has a lot of potential which makes me optimistic about the new album.

I'm just saying, it's way too soon to read too much into this track and assume the guys are close to retiring. It'll happen some day, of course, I just don't think it's quite yet.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 15, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

I don't think so. I think the next album might be the last one for a while (probably another several year stretch of no new music) but I think they're far from hanging it up entirely. Yes, there's comparisons to the Stones and the Who, but let's be real: U2 is in another category entirely. Those two bands have gone through line up changes, those two bands have had health issues (resulting from rampant drug use during the 60s/70s), those two bands have been slowing down for a long time. The Rolling Stones formed in 1962 and by their 40th anniversary, they were already taking 8 year stretches between albums. The Who formed in 1964 and by their 40th anniversary, they had already disbanded once and have only released one album since 2006--their first in 24 years.

U2, on the other hand, have had a steady pace of a new album every 4-5 years since 2000, tour more frequently than those other two bands, the members themselves seem to be in pretty solid shape and they're all under 60. If they wanted to, they could easily continue to make albums or tour on/off into their 70s. Will they? Who knows. But to compare them to those other bands....well, it's not really an equal comparison. There hasn't been another band with U2's longevity without huge stretches of inactivity.

SoI was an album with a lot of potential and some truly great tracks. Ditto for NLOTH. The problem is, they've been chasing pop relevance for the last 12 years, hoping for another "Beautiful Day" and it's just not going to happen. If they got back to making music that they care about (not that they're trying to score a hit with), this is a band that could continue to make great music for a long time. Tracks like SLAABT prove this. Even this new track has a lot of potential which makes me optimistic about the new album.

I'm just saying, it's way too soon to read too much into this track and assume the guys are close to retiring. It'll happen some day, of course, I just don't think it's quite yet.

My comparison wasn't meant to be about things like time between albums. I meant that when you see the stones, for example, Jagger doesn't seem "authentic" in the way you'd want out of Bono; he seems like the world's greatest Jagger impersonator. And I think Bono gets into that more often these days.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 15, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

Just thought I should add: There's greatness in that song, but it's buried.

Don't know about anyone else, but for some reason for the last few years I have kind of seen them change tack in due course.  They are still in the cycle of stadium/arena tours.  But this is U2 and I hope they *just might* break the mould and do something different to their peers (if Rolling Stones, The Who are their peers).  I know it's harder for a band rather than a solo artist to try and break the mould (Van Morrison played on Cyprus Avenue) but for some reason, I can see the band going more theatrical, maybe with a big band / classical arrangement.  I don't know if it is because there have been hints of a direction on the I&E tour - theatrical choreography was apparent.  I don't know if I can see something with a hint of 'Last Night of The Proms' (but obviously totally reimagined and turned on its side - something more intimate, less bombastic - but yet informative (visuals & spoken word - we know what this means!). 
I don't know if it is because artists like Radiohead have gone this way and still pull in punters, and there's also newer stuff like Clean Bandit that sound/look great with orchestral/big band backing.  Just watching a clip of last night's performance of Little Things in Seattle & people are moving away - leaving?  There is a paradox - look what happened when I Will Follow was played right afterwards.  The audience just changed.  More recently the band have produced slower ballad-y songs (nothing wrong with that), but it seems like some of us (I mean this in the collective sense here) want either the hits or the old live favourites.  Others of us (again collectively) are open to whatever is next. 
Is there a die-hard core that would buy U2 stuff/go to shows regardless of what is put out and how it sounds, or is there an audience that will only partake if it sounds like 'classic U2'?
Personally, I'd be content with standing/sitting in the likes of the Royal Albert Hall watching the band with orchestra or whatever else they do collaborating in a really artistic, theatrical way.  They and we are not getting any younger.
The thing is, I just don't see it yet.  Maybe one day - whenever it is that they see that trying to make another 'hit' record is no longer relevant.
And I just can't see U2 playing on Cedarwood Road.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on May 15, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

Just thought I should add: There's greatness in that song, but it's buried.

Don't know about anyone else, but for some reason for the last few years I have kind of seen them change tack in due course.  They are still in the cycle of stadium/arena tours.  But this is U2 and I hope they *just might* break the mould and do something different to their peers (if Rolling Stones, The Who are their peers).  I know it's harder for a band rather than a solo artist to try and break the mould (Van Morrison played on Cyprus Avenue) but for some reason, I can see the band going more theatrical, maybe with a big band / classical arrangement.  I don't know if it is because there have been hints of a direction on the I&E tour - theatrical choreography was apparent.  I don't know if I can see something with a hint of 'Last Night of The Proms' (but obviously totally reimagined and turned on its side - something more intimate, less bombastic - but yet informative (visuals & spoken word - we know what this means!). 
I don't know if it is because artists like Radiohead have gone this way and still pull in punters, and there's also newer stuff like Clean Bandit that sound/look great with orchestral/big band backing.  Just watching a clip of last night's performance of Little Things in Seattle & people are moving away - leaving?  There is a paradox - look what happened when I Will Follow was played right afterwards.  The audience just changed.  More recently the band have produced slower ballad-y songs (nothing wrong with that), but it seems like some of us (I mean this in the collective sense here) want either the hits or the old live favourites.  Others of us (again collectively) are open to whatever is next. 
Is there a die-hard core that would buy U2 stuff/go to shows regardless of what is put out and how it sounds, or is there an audience that will only partake if it sounds like 'classic U2'?
Personally, I'd be content with standing/sitting in the likes of the Royal Albert Hall watching the band with orchestra or whatever else they do collaborating in a really artistic, theatrical way.  They and we are not getting any younger.
The thing is, I just don't see it yet.  Maybe one day - whenever it is that they see that trying to make another 'hit' record is no longer relevant.
And I just can't see U2 playing on Cedarwood Road.

I really don't want to see them go down the road of orchestra/strings shows. They're usually quite boring. I want them to release new songs and tour behind new albums.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 15, 2017, 12:01:21 PM
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My first thoughts are that it sounds like where they left off with SFS and EBW, but then the song moves more uptempo in the second half.  Would like to see footage from open stadium (am I right in thinking the roof was closed at BC Place?) from one of the next few dates to really try and appreciate it.  I think that it might 'carry' better outside as it does have a kind of 'swirling' feel to it through drums, guitars and vocals - particularly as the song progresses.
As for 'the end' stuff. I panicked.  And then read the lyrics.  It's about Bono having writers block and thinking that's it, no more.  But the last lyric is Bono. Teasing. The. Listener. (and maybe himself)
Not yet, Bono.  Please.

It's not yet, but let's not kid ourselves that he's talking about writer's block. I think we all know that the end is in fact near. I guess never say never, but if you were given a choice between U2 calling it quits in the next few years, or U2 becoming what amounted to the worlds' most successful U2 tribute band, which would you pick?

Yes, the Stones are still around, and Half Of The Who still plays from time to time, but...are they really? If you used to see them back when they really mattered, is that really who you see now on stage pumping out the crowd favorites?

I've seen our boys do a lot of interviews over the years where they talk about how important the sense of mystery, of "anything can happen", etc. is to a Rock n Roll show (whatever that is nowadays) vs a choreographed pop act hitting their marks.  It's time to acknowledge that some of that is fading, not only through the forces of time, but due to moves the band itself has made.

I have long been an opponent of the "they're too old" argument, especially since I've been hearing it since the 90's. And while age itself isn't an issue for me, there ARE things which have changed over time for the band. There the tangibles, such as Bono nor being able to hit certain notes, but then there are the more subtle things (little things?), like the guy who used to summon a force of nature inside himself to get a feeling of wild abandon across to the audience substituting a bunch of "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" shouts like something out of your grandparents' idea of what "the rock music" sounds like. Maybe being a kid who yearns to escape a routine life and wakes up to nightmares of his mother dying makes for better artistry than a schedule of private-jetting from the French Mediterranean to a dinner at the Clinton Foundation to Davos.

Is it fair to suggest that, despite assurances to the contrary, maybe this has had a negative impact after all? Is it then fair to suggest that as they (and of course Bono especially) get further from the one and deeper into the other, it's finally time to admit that things have not changed for the better? And if that's true (obviously a matter for debate), is it better of they call an end at some point, rather than rely more and more heavily on the artists they were in the past, rather than what they are doing as artists at this moment?

I used to dread the thought that someday they would be done, but my opinion has drifted over the past few years for a variety of reasons. Suffice it to say that I want to believe they have more great albums and tours in them, but what I want and what I'm seeing aren't matching up.
Well I think the next album is probably the last one.

I don't think so. I think the next album might be the last one for a while (probably another several year stretch of no new music) but I think they're far from hanging it up entirely. Yes, there's comparisons to the Stones and the Who, but let's be real: U2 is in another category entirely. Those two bands have gone through line up changes, those two bands have had health issues (resulting from rampant drug use during the 60s/70s), those two bands have been slowing down for a long time. The Rolling Stones formed in 1962 and by their 40th anniversary, they were already taking 8 year stretches between albums. The Who formed in 1964 and by their 40th anniversary, they had already disbanded once and have only released one album since 2006--their first in 24 years.

U2, on the other hand, have had a steady pace of a new album every 4-5 years since 2000, tour more frequently than those other two bands, the members themselves seem to be in pretty solid shape and they're all under 60. If they wanted to, they could easily continue to make albums or tour on/off into their 70s. Will they? Who knows. But to compare them to those other bands....well, it's not really an equal comparison. There hasn't been another band with U2's longevity without huge stretches of inactivity.

SoI was an album with a lot of potential and some truly great tracks. Ditto for NLOTH. The problem is, they've been chasing pop relevance for the last 12 years, hoping for another "Beautiful Day" and it's just not going to happen. If they got back to making music that they care about (not that they're trying to score a hit with), this is a band that could continue to make great music for a long time. Tracks like SLAABT prove this. Even this new track has a lot of potential which makes me optimistic about the new album.

I'm just saying, it's way too soon to read too much into this track and assume the guys are close to retiring. It'll happen some day, of course, I just don't think it's quite yet.

My comparison wasn't meant to be about things like time between albums. I meant that when you see the stones, for example, Jagger doesn't seem "authentic" in the way you'd want out of Bono; he seems like the world's greatest Jagger impersonator. And I think Bono gets into that more often these days.

Right, but Jagger and Bono aren't necessarily the same. Just because Jagger has turned into a....well, I guess a parody of himself...it doesn't necessarily mean Bono will do that.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Airuarak on May 15, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
There's an ear worm in there... found myself singing along. If it's similar to MoS type arrangements on album, could be a winner.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 15, 2017, 04:01:44 PM
They look and perform so well in Stadiums. It got me thinking, could this be the last time we see a stadium tour from U2?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 15, 2017, 04:37:09 PM
Little things is ok, but does make me think they don't have a lot left in the barrel if this is the song they chose to showcase to a bunch of Joshua tree fans they're trying to reconnect with after 30 years..

The soe songs have probably been in progress for at least 4 years when you consider some interview comments made in the middle of 2014 bono advised their album is taking a long time but they're "working on 2 albums actually..."

If this is the case, I would expect something a bit more exciting. If this is their secret weapon in their unreleased repertoire, there's no wonder they keep putting the release date back. *should these articles be true
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on May 15, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
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They look and perform so well in Stadiums. It got me thinking, could this be the last time we see a stadium tour from U2?

Nope. I can almost guarantee they'll do a stadium tour of some sort of their 50th anniversary. All bands who are around that long do this.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on May 15, 2017, 08:46:20 PM
I like it. There's a kind of genuine vulnerability and drama that I haven't heard from Bono in a while. Drums are great, very raw and dynamic. I actually do like the piano, though the guitar solos could definitely use more intensity LIB-style. I can't really hear Adam all that well so I'll have to reserve judgement for a better recording or the studio version.

This song aches for raw/live sounding production. If it gets overpolished, it'll be severely diminished. So no stupid modulating effects on Bono's voice, no plasticized pianos, and no muted rhythm section. Fingers crossed Lillywhite beats out Tedder. 

Edit: in the brief moment that I can hear Adam, it appears he's using delay on his bass. Has he ever done this before?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: codeguy on May 15, 2017, 09:26:28 PM
The lyrics are interesting. It sounds like it's set during the JT to Rattle and Hum transition....
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: YouGoOn on May 16, 2017, 09:54:15 AM
I love the song. I think they've written some of their best stuff in the last few years (EBW, Crystal Ballroom, SLABT).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 16, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
Original lyrics:



Is that your fountainpen,
navy with a nib of gold?
You never could write so well
or do anything you were told
on 10 Cedarwood Road

I'm your older self
the song of experience.
I've come to ask for some help
from your song of innocence.

Lead me in the way I should go
I'm running out of chances to blow.
That's what you told me
and you should know.

Lead me in the way I should be
unravel the mystery
of the heart and its defense
the morning after innocence.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MadRob360 on May 16, 2017, 10:20:03 AM
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They look and perform so well in Stadiums. It got me thinking, could this be the last time we see a stadium tour from U2?

Imo, absolutely not. The band do both arenas and stadiums brilliantly, depending how SOE sounds will probably determine weather they do some stadiums next time out or not, also there's the fact they obviously invested a lot in the technology of the i+E tour for arenas. can't wait for London and Dublin!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on May 16, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
I can't stop listening to it.  I have a feeling it's going to be a big hit
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: larrys pants on May 16, 2017, 11:41:18 AM
They're on a rich vein of songwriting form, I have never seen Bono so fragile and vulnerable but tapping into the national consciousness again, singing about anxiety, innocence dying, being awake at 4 in the morning are all first for Mr hopeful and optimistic. Remember what he said about writing Beautiful Day, about how it's so easy to be cynical and negative and he chose to look for the positives. It really connected with me this song , love it,  keep them coming!!!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 16, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
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They're on a rich vein of songwriting form, I have never seen Bono so fragile and vulnerable but tapping into the national consciousness again, singing about anxiety, innocence dying, being awake at 4 in the morning are all first for Mr hopeful and optimistic. Remember what he said about writing Beautiful Day, about how it's so easy to be cynical and negative and he chose to look for the positives. It really connected with me this song , love it,  keep them coming!!!

I agree - Bono is tapping into the consciousness of listeners now. Anxiety, losing innocence, awake at 4am.  I wonder if 90%+ of his listeners don't write songs?  But he ends with "sometimes" and not 'always'.  He looks forward with hope. I just see him as a presence of light in what can be a dark world and I hope that the JT2017 tour will bring a beam of light in this f***ed up world.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on May 16, 2017, 02:03:09 PM
I agree. It's a great song and it fits the end of the show very well. Like it very much.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 16, 2017, 02:19:04 PM
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They're on a rich vein of songwriting form, I have never seen Bono so fragile and vulnerable but tapping into the national consciousness again, singing about anxiety, innocence dying, being awake at 4 in the morning are all first for Mr hopeful and optimistic. Remember what he said about writing Beautiful Day, about how it's so easy to be cynical and negative and he chose to look for the positives. It really connected with me this song , love it,  keep them coming!!!

Listening to this closely, and looking at the Morning After Innocence lyrics, it's starting to become very obvious that this song is Bono calling himself out over what he seems to have lost recently as an artist, and the realization that he really may be finished, creatively.   Obviously, I am bringing my own biases to the table, but I think that he recognizes a lot of the kinds of problems that we have discussed on this forum lately. The irony is that he is using the song to end a show that is probably the greatest symbol of their creative struggles of late.

If you listen to the Seattle performance, he is trying not to cry when he sings "I can't get back inside".

He needs to do a very quick turn around on the political grandstanding and nostalgia trips and get back to making music that defies expectations, or it's World's Greatest U2 Cover Band in their future.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 16, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
I need some English lessons...

What does the title mean exactly?

My first interpretation was 'you give little things away', but I think that's not right. Does it mean more something like 'you like the little things [in life]'?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: aviastar on May 16, 2017, 03:02:40 PM
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I need some English lessons...

What does the title mean exactly?

My first interpretation was 'you give little things away', but I think that's not right. Does it mean more something like 'you like the little things [in life]'?

It's more like the small details that reveal who you are (as a person, as a character, the things you keep hidden inside, etc or even more literally...make you visible).

"give you away" is idiom or phrase in english for reveal your true identity
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 16, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
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I need some English lessons...

What does the title mean exactly?

My first interpretation was 'you give little things away', but I think that's not right. Does it mean more something like 'you like the little things [in life]'?

The simplest way to understand it would be "The hints that you are hiding something"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 16, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
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They're on a rich vein of songwriting form, I have never seen Bono so fragile and vulnerable but tapping into the national consciousness again, singing about anxiety, innocence dying, being awake at 4 in the morning are all first for Mr hopeful and optimistic. Remember what he said about writing Beautiful Day, about how it's so easy to be cynical and negative and he chose to look for the positives. It really connected with me this song , love it,  keep them coming!!!

Listening to this closely, and looking at the Morning After Innocence lyrics, it's starting to become very obvious that this song is Bono calling himself out over what he seems to have lost recently as an artist, and the realization that he really may be finished, creatively.   Obviously, I am bringing my own biases to the table, but I think that he recognizes a lot of the kinds of problems that we have discussed on this form lately. The irony is that he is using the song to you and a show that is probably the greatest symbol of their creative struggles of late.

If you listen to the Seattle performance, he is trying not to cry when he sings "I can't get back inside".

He needs to do a very quick turn around on the political grandstanding and nostalgia trips and get back to making music that defies expectations, or it's World's Greatest U2 Cover Band in their future.

I think you might be right.

He definitely nearly cries there I just watched it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Spacejunk69 on May 16, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
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I agree. It's a great song and it fits the end of the show very well. Like it very much.

Only if something is played after it. It is NOT a closing song. The Seattle show was 100 times better than the Vancouver show, and a MASSIVE part of that was the fact that this song did not close and was followed by a fast, heart stomping and crowd pleasing number. I know I Will Follow was spontaneous - but surely U2 would have noted that the energy in the crowd and the pleasure on their faces was vastly different between the two shows. The new song is good, has potential to get better, but come on lads, have something follow it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 16, 2017, 03:21:20 PM
Thanks @Aviastar and @This Dave, makes sense  :)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 16, 2017, 03:35:41 PM
The night gave you song
A light had been turned on
You walked out in the world
Like you belong there

As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Oh, Iím not a ghost there
I can see you
You need to see me

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
What was freedom
It might cost you your liberty

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself on a distance
I canít get back inside
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my tasks are so thankless
And all of my innocence has died
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
Where all the doubt is swarming
And it covers me in fear
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not dawning
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Sometimes, sometimes
Iím full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes


Makes me sad to read these.
is this young self talking to old self?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on May 16, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
I thought it was the older self talking to the younger self
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 16, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
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I thought it was the older self talking to the younger self

The person is full of doubt.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: RunningtoStandstill (The League of Extraordinary BonoPeople) on May 16, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 16, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
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Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.

Who he used to be you mean? I think he still has it reading these lyrics.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 16, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
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I thought it was the older self talking to the younger self

The person is full of doubt.

I interpret it as somebody struggling to cope with depression... look at this bit towards the end:

Quote
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not dawning
Iím full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here

This somebody seems upset with the world, and struggles with maintaining their religious faith. I think those last couple of lines could actually be referencing a suicide.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: miryclay on May 16, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
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I thought it was the older self talking to the younger self

The person is full of doubt.

I interpret it as somebody struggling to cope with depression... look at this bit towards the end:

Quote
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not dawning
Iím full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here

This somebody seems upset with the world, and struggles with maintaining their religious faith. I think those last couple of lines could actually be referencing a suicide.

Uhmmm, we've seen in the past how these things work out.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 16, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
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I thought it was the older self talking to the younger self

The person is full of doubt.

I interpret it as somebody struggling to cope with depression... look at this bit towards the end:

Quote
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not dawning
Iím full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here

This somebody seems upset with the world, and struggles with maintaining their religious faith. I think those last couple of lines could actually be referencing a suicide.

Uhmmm, we've seen in the past how these things work out.
Uh, what are you getting at?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 17, 2017, 02:55:45 AM
I think this is going to be a big big song. It has so much promise, let's hope they get the recording right!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on May 17, 2017, 07:00:16 AM
I agree Eddy although Best Thing doesn't leave my head, I yearn to hear Little Things over and over and over again...vulnerability is so powerful~
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 17, 2017, 07:11:05 AM
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I agree Eddy although Best Thing doesn't leave my head, I yearn to hear Little Things over and over and over again...vulnerability is so powerful~

I think the ''sometimes'' section is going to have a huge wall of sound approach to it, I can tell from the live performance.
It has a real epic quality to it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 17, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
At this rate, I think I might be in tears when I hear this song being played live.  Bono really is bearing his soul.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Exile on May 17, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
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Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.

If this is the case, then the song is somewhat ironic. I mean, the lyrics are pretty damn good for a song that's supposedly about how creatively dried-up the songwriter is....
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on May 17, 2017, 12:19:38 PM
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Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.

If this is the case, then the song is somewhat ironic. I mean, the lyrics are pretty damn good for a song that's supposedly about how creatively dried-up the songwriter is....

Well then "sometimes" must be a clue.  He may have just nailed it on this one.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 17, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
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Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.

If this is the case, then the song is somewhat ironic. I mean, the lyrics are pretty damn good for a song that's supposedly about how creatively dried-up the songwriter is....

I thought the same, very ironic Indeed.

Van Morrison always said Bono would be good when he's finished, I think he's right.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zoonation76 on May 17, 2017, 01:31:02 PM
I love this song.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 17, 2017, 02:06:10 PM
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Wow. This really is Bono struggling to come to terms with who he was and the creativity he had in his youth. Damn.

If this is the case, then the song is somewhat ironic. I mean, the lyrics are pretty damn good for a song that's supposedly about how creatively dried-up the songwriter is....

Agreed, but the irony is even stronger when you consider this is the Remember That Album From 1987 Tour.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: wraitii on May 18, 2017, 01:11:23 AM
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If this is the case, then the song is somewhat ironic. I mean, the lyrics are pretty damn good for a song that's supposedly about how creatively dried-up the songwriter is....
Bono's always been best when under as serious layer of irony, though. He's also always been best when he writes about himself.
Have to agree that the Sometimes bit here is definitely Bono talking about himself. He's remarkably blunt.

This has some serious hit potential in my opinion, it's maybe a little bland but tbh I think Bono really carries this one where it needs to go, and it's really all that matters to me.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 18, 2017, 08:15:16 AM
Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Angle McDangle on May 18, 2017, 11:55:52 AM
Dear U2....please release this now....thank you.....Angus
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 18, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

Well it's definitely that
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: fresno dave on May 18, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

I was thinking the same.  Yet last night in Santa Clara he pretty much said the song is on the new album

But we all know everything he promises in these matters comes to pass (:
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 18, 2017, 01:19:00 PM
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

I was thinking the same.  Yet last night in Santa Clara he pretty much said the song is on the new album

But we all know everything he promises in these matters comes to pass (:

Did anyone else notice the song is changing? It sounded different last night and adam didn't have his bass solo.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 18, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
Seemed like more of a beat early on...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on May 18, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

I just listened to The Little Things in Santa Clara, and Bono said "We've got a new album, this is a song that's on it, and we're just warming up"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 18, 2017, 09:11:43 PM
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Dear U2....please release this now....thank you.....Angus

I'd like to see this released immediately, but I get how that screws with marketing for both JT tour and the next album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: danlougee on May 18, 2017, 09:51:25 PM
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

I just listened to The Little Things in Santa Clara, and Bono said "We've got a new album, this is a song that's on it, and we're just warming up"
Do you have a link to that video? I can't find a recording.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 19, 2017, 02:13:34 AM
Let's hope so, releasing a single now seems like the right thing to do particularly if you want a summer hit.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
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Note that so far Bono has only said 'this is a song of experience'...not 'this is from songs of experience'....

I just listened to The Little Things in Santa Clara, and Bono said "We've got a new album, this is a song that's on it, and we're just warming up"
Do you have a link to that video? I can't find a recording.
I can't fetch you a link at the moment, but I found it by searching on Periscope.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on May 19, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
I don't think we're getting little things as a single any time soon. They probably need to go back and rework it after testing it out live.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 20, 2017, 12:04:59 AM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: poster on May 20, 2017, 05:24:39 AM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.

"Little Things" won't be a Single at all, I guess. Bono said in an interview recently that this awful "best thing" will be the next/first single.  :'(

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/bono-says-u2-s-next-single-inspired-by-eamon-dunphy-1.3083419#.WRlFf2RMRwo.twitter

Have to admit that I don't like both Songs.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on May 20, 2017, 01:29:47 PM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.

"Little Things" won't be a Single at all, I guess. Bono said in an interview recently that this awful "best thing" will be the next/first single.  :'(

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/bono-says-u2-s-next-single-inspired-by-eamon-dunphy-1.3083419#.WRlFf2RMRwo.twitter

Have to admit that I don't like both Songs.


Get you and also will push you, and all of us frankly, to wait for the produced release of these tunes. I can only hope Best Thing gets better and TLTTGYA stays as raw and passionate as it was in Santa Clara. I know many of us feel U2 is the 'soundtrack of our lives' because many of us will remember Bono saying something about that back around the JT time period when he first head a fan say that to him. And they have provided that musical landscape for me and it has grown 10 fold over time.

From the OOC punk/prep from CT to the Dad of 2 with the Best Thing of a wife of 21 years by my side, I will say selfishly that the Best Thing may be the single because they are secretly sharing this for song for me, why me? Sadly, my Mom has been battling really bad Dementia for the last 18 months and recently has gone into kidney failure. We have placed her into Hospice and asked for God's hand to guide her...the End is Here, sometimes.



Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on May 20, 2017, 02:56:29 PM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.

"Little Things" won't be a Single at all, I guess. Bono said in an interview recently that this awful "best thing" will be the next/first single.  :'(

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/bono-says-u2-s-next-single-inspired-by-eamon-dunphy-1.3083419#.WRlFf2RMRwo.twitter

Have to admit that I don't like both Songs.


Get you and also will push you, and all of us frankly, to wait for the produced release of these tunes. I can only hope Best Thing gets better and TLTTGYA stays as raw and passionate as it was in Santa Clara. I know many of us feel U2 is the 'soundtrack of our lives' because many of us will remember Bono saying something about that back around the JT time period when he first head a fan say that to him. And they have provided that musical landscape for me and it has grown 10 fold over time.

From the OOC punk/prep from CT to the Dad of 2 with the Best Thing of a wife of 21 years by my side, I will say selfishly that the Best Thing may be the single because they are secretly sharing this for song for me, why me? Sadly, my Mom has been battling really bad Dementia for the last 18 months and recently has gone into kidney failure. We have placed her into Hospice and asked for God's hand to guide her...the End is Here, sometimes.
Bless you, your family, and your Mom. I watched my Mother suffer with dementia for a few years...terrible thing, heartbreaking. Sometimes, the End is Here, is a blessing
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on May 20, 2017, 08:01:10 PM
I do love the lyrics... 'the things you cannot say - your big mouth in the way' are especially convicting, for me...

And Jono- so sorry for what you're going through w your mom! :( ((hugs)) & prayers your way...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on May 21, 2017, 07:36:35 AM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.

"Little Things" won't be a Single at all, I guess. Bono said in an interview recently that this awful "best thing" will be the next/first single.  :'(

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/bono-says-u2-s-next-single-inspired-by-eamon-dunphy-1.3083419#.WRlFf2RMRwo.twitter

Have to admit that I don't like both Songs.


Get you and also will push you, and all of us frankly, to wait for the produced release of these tunes. I can only hope Best Thing gets better and TLTTGYA stays as raw and passionate as it was in Santa Clara. I know many of us feel U2 is the 'soundtrack of our lives' because many of us will remember Bono saying something about that back around the JT time period when he first head a fan say that to him. And they have provided that musical landscape for me and it has grown 10 fold over time.

From the OOC punk/prep from CT to the Dad of 2 with the Best Thing of a wife of 21 years by my side, I will say selfishly that the Best Thing may be the single because they are secretly sharing this for song for me, why me? Sadly, my Mom has been battling really bad Dementia for the last 18 months and recently has gone into kidney failure. We have placed her into Hospice and asked for God's hand to guide her...the End is Here, sometimes.
My heart goes out to you and yours
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: flowtheman on May 24, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Would love to see TLTTGYA as a soon to be relased single, BUT:
I think The Best Thing will be the next single, and I would not be surprised if they release it until summer, because -whether you like the song or not- imo it's a summer song and it is kind of  more the sound that would climb the charts at the moment.

And I think they would want to get in the charts with The Besth Thing to then get more attention for their new album, also from people they reach with a song like The Best Thing, which is probably people who are not most likely to be U2-affectionate in the first place, 'cause the Mix is more what younger people, listening to electronic music, would listen too

(And I write this only knowing the Kygo-Version of the song, I don't know if there is a "pure" version available or was heard anywhere. If so, please correct me!)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 24, 2017, 08:11:47 AM
I suspect this will be the album closer?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 24, 2017, 08:38:59 AM
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I suspect this will be the album closer?
Or it could smag that fabled number three spot, if U2 feel that it's good enough.
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Post by: emuhunter on May 24, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
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I suspect this will be the album closer?
Or it could smag that fabled number three spot, if U2 feel that it's good enough.

I was thinking the same thing too, it seems like it would fit in at #3 on an album and it definitely seems like the band loves it since they're playing it so much.
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Post by: Jono on May 24, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
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Single will drop very soon IMO. Play it on Kimmel next week.


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If they are releasing the first single from SOE next week, that means SOE is coming out in July.

There is no reason to believe this.

"Little Things" won't be a Single at all, I guess. Bono said in an interview recently that this awful "best thing" will be the next/first single.  :'(

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/bono-says-u2-s-next-single-inspired-by-eamon-dunphy-1.3083419#.WRlFf2RMRwo.twitter

Have to admit that I don't like both Songs.


Get you and also will push you, and all of us frankly, to wait for the produced release of these tunes. I can only hope Best Thing gets better and TLTTGYA stays as raw and passionate as it was in Santa Clara. I know many of us feel U2 is the 'soundtrack of our lives' because many of us will remember Bono saying something about that back around the JT time period when he first head a fan say that to him. And they have provided that musical landscape for me and it has grown 10 fold over time.

From the OOC punk/prep from CT to the Dad of 2 with the Best Thing of a wife of 21 years by my side, I will say selfishly that the Best Thing may be the single because they are secretly sharing this for song for me, why me? Sadly, my Mom has been battling really bad Dementia for the last 18 months and recently has gone into kidney failure. We have placed her into Hospice and asked for God's hand to guide her...the End is Here, sometimes.
My heart goes out to you and yours
Thanks for the prayers Kmama, Jab and Rif and all for the messages...GREAT community~
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: afg on May 24, 2017, 09:41:42 AM
 Such a powerful song, especially the last minute or so.  I thought last night's performance on Kimmel was great!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 24, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
According to the kimmel version, the song will get an small kind of dub step rhythm (if anyone knows how to call it. Say it!  ;))in the background. Larry isn't drumming in the beginning of the song.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: wlomaco on May 24, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Loved The Little Things on Kimmel last night.  The crowd loved it too.  A good sign.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: DGordon1 on May 24, 2017, 12:12:33 PM
Really pleased with these performances. ISHFWILF was pretty over the top, but it's a song of praise at the end of the day so it suits the song. And the new song has such passion to it. I wasn't all that into it from the recordings from the tour, but it clicked for me with this performance. I haven't seen that level of passion from the band for quite a while, hopefully it bodes well for the album as a whole.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 24, 2017, 01:32:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudh-Ntpyq0

HD version is up.
I love the intro of Larry on the drums it's perfect!
This band are so good sometimes!
Still got it!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 24, 2017, 01:39:44 PM
Loved it apart from Edge's backing vocals which I had not noticed before so assume its new. Sounds better 'more desperate' with just Bono
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 24, 2017, 01:52:19 PM
I reckon it should be a bit easier to judge this song now that we have a higher quality version off it. Little Things isn't a horrible song, but there are some little things (haha) that need to be corrected.

For one, I agree that Edge's falsetto needs to go. This sort of song needs its listener to feel Bono's distress, and having too much going on kills that intimacy.

Also, Adam's fill before the second verse needs to make a return. U2 need to allow him more room for expression.

Much of Edge's instrumentation needs to be reworked. The piano is boring and makes this song feel too familiar (to songs like City of Blinding Lights, etc.) and pedestrian. These lyrics crave a more adventurous sound from him.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on May 24, 2017, 01:58:35 PM
Some kind of strange synth might be a modern alternative to the piano...?
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 24, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
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Some kind of strange synth might be a modern alternative to the piano...?
That was my initial thought, but I am sure that Edge could do something funny with his guitar and do something totally new if he tried to.
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Post by: eddyjedi on May 24, 2017, 02:15:01 PM
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Some kind of strange synth might be a modern alternative to the piano...?
That was my initial thought, but I am sure that Edge could do something funny with his guitar and do something totally new if he tried to.

I think he will nail this section on the recording.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on May 24, 2017, 02:16:54 PM
Actually I hope that this is one of the finished songs from the almost finished album and that the band won't consider all these advices and start to rework it.  ;)
I like the song very much and I would love to have it with the new album as soon as possible.

Did anyone understand the second last verse. Those were new lyrics but kind of hard to understand. It ends with "but I can't see you through the tears".
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Mark72 on May 24, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
It's actually really growing on me!... I got a feeling after watching the full kimmel interview that they may drop the album in the autumn...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Mark72 on May 24, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
I do like the second half of the song. First part seems to go on forever. I've got a feeling SOE maybe out sooner than We all think...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 24, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
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I reckon it should be a bit easier to judge this song now that we have a higher quality version off it. Little Things isn't a horrible song, but there are some little things (haha) that need to be corrected.

For one, I agree that Edge's falsetto needs to go. This sort of song needs its listener to feel Bono's distress, and having too much going on kills that intimacy.

Also, Adam's fill before the second verse needs to make a return. U2 need to allow him more room for expression.

Much of Edge's instrumentation needs to be reworked. The piano is boring and makes this song feel too familiar (to songs like City of Blinding Lights, etc.) and pedestrian. These lyrics crave a more adventurous sound from him.

Vocals work fine for me. The edge guitar could have been more adventurous for me, but still well executed non the less. What frustrates me a little is the bass. The little nuances, tiny walks are good in the first half and feels like an interesting albeit minimalist approach.  Then he kicks into his full JT mode of one note " bmm bmm bmm bmm bmm bmm bmm.."
He could have done a lot better there without detracting from anything else in the song.
I think it's perhaps a negative effect from hanging around with the jt too much.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on May 24, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
JT is probably adams weakest album in my opinion. With exception of WOW which is painstakingly easy to play, to the point of being almost comical.. but the production makes it sound great. BTBS is the only half decent bass line after that I can't think of anything worthy of note. This tour has reminded me of his one note wonder period. Don't want him returning to that space.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 24, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
I enjoy this song quite a lot!  Great performance on Jimmy Kimmel!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 24, 2017, 07:08:17 PM
Since they're playing it on TV, shouldn't that mean it's basically done and will appear on album as -is?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 24, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
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Since they're playing it on TV, shouldn't that mean it's basically done and will appear on album as -is?
Haha, this is U2 that we're talking about! It wouldn't surprise me at all if this song was never even released.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: GoldenStateGirl on May 24, 2017, 11:06:13 PM
I LOVE IT

that is all
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: THRILLHO on May 24, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
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Since they're playing it on TV, shouldn't that mean it's basically done and will appear on album as -is?
Haha, this is U2 that we're talking about! It wouldn't surprise me at all if this song was never even released.

i understand where you're coming from but this DOES give me a little more faith that they really have something (even if its just a studio version of this one song on itunes) up their sleeve. i mean....i can see them tryin new songs on a tour like 360 but i promise no one has seen a band perform a song on tv that was never released outside that 1 tv performance. i know Womanfish but this is a TOTALLY different day and age.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: alincioaba on May 25, 2017, 03:01:57 AM
great great tune. is it me or is an evolution of North and South of the River https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ5V5Fb18k  (http://North and South of the River https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ5V5Fb18k)?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jswallow on May 25, 2017, 03:31:28 AM
It's no where near as good as North & South of the river,  it's ok but not brill

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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ibrahim on May 25, 2017, 09:10:40 AM
why did they remove the song from jimmy kimmel channel ?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: paddyattitude on May 25, 2017, 09:20:18 AM
guess...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 25, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
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guess...

Single dropping?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ibrahim on May 25, 2017, 09:28:46 AM
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guess...

guess for me
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Saint1322 on May 25, 2017, 09:51:17 AM
Fantastic song. Is it just me, or is this the final incarnation of our old friend 'Mercy'?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 25, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
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Fantastic song. Is it just me, or is this the final incarnation of our old friend 'Mercy'?

Yep, very similar to the original cut.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: wraitii on May 25, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
More reminiscent of Ordinary Love/EBW/Invisible than Mercy for me.

Also feels weirdly like North and South of the River but I can't really figure out why, might be Bono. I prefer N&SOTR, but it's probably in my top 10 soÖ
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 25, 2017, 10:09:59 AM
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More reminiscent of Ordinary Love/EBW/Invisible than Mercy for me.

Also feels weirdly like North and South of the River but I can't really figure out why, might be Bono. I prefer N&SOTR, but it's probably in my top 10 soÖ

Is it the keys?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on May 25, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
I think it sounds a lot more like LIB than those other songs, but that's because the basic chord and bass progression in the verses is nearly identical.

In any event, I'd like to see them add a full strings compliment to the end of the song.  Edge is clearly trying to do some atmospherics in the JK performance; my hope is that's a precursor to having strings like Original of the Species or All I Want Is You.  Really think this one could be golden if they do that even if not quite to the level of those two songs.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 25, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
The guitar solo is hitting a few familiar notes from mercy and it definitely matches some of the chorus "you wanna kill me, I wanna die". But the first half sounds like LIB. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to mercy
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 25, 2017, 11:18:41 AM
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The guitar solo is hitting a few familiar notes from mercy and it definitely matches some of the chorus "you wanna kill me, I wanna die". But the first half sounds like LIB. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to mercy

The 360 version of Mercy was pants. The original was rather fabulous though.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: fresno dave on May 25, 2017, 11:24:59 AM
 UK schoolboy slang expression: "a pile of pants", presumably the equivalent of dirty, smelly washing. Later spread to adults and abreviated.
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The guitar solo is hitting a few familiar notes from mercy and it definitely matches some of the chorus "you wanna kill me, I wanna die". But the first half sounds like LIB. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to mercy

The 360 version of Mercy was pants. The original was rather fabulous though.
LOL, I'm in the USA, and I have never heard the word "pants" used like this.
I had to look it up online to see:
"Adjective. British=Rubbish; Not good; total crap...UK schoolboy slang expression: 'a pile of pants', presumably the equivalent of dirty, smelly washing. Later spread to adults and abbreviated."

Love it.  We need to get that expression started over here
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 25, 2017, 11:26:49 AM
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The guitar solo is hitting a few familiar notes from mercy and it definitely matches some of the chorus "you wanna kill me, I wanna die". But the first half sounds like LIB. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to mercy

The 360 version of Mercy was pants. The original was rather fabulous though.
LOL, I'm in the USA, and I have never heard the word "pants" used like this.
I had to look it up online to see:
"UK schoolboy slang expression: "a pile of pants", presumably the equivalent of dirty, smelly washing. Later spread to adults and abbreviated."

Love it.  We need to get that expression started over here

Haha, yes!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: paddyattitude on May 26, 2017, 02:36:47 AM
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guess for me

well mine is that they wanted it to be a one-off and they don't want the song to be broadcast and shared throughout the world.
ok now it's there on line but by removing it from the Kimmel channel they diminish the impact.
Also, you were talking about single dropping, they don't want to make it look like it is a new single.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: u2chamonix on May 26, 2017, 03:47:00 AM
Great song!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Vox on May 26, 2017, 07:04:26 AM
It's not the kind of U2 music I gravitate towards, but it's okay.  I'd like it better if the whole band kicked in a verse earlier.  But then it'd be like "Iris" which I also find just "okay."  I'm happy others seem to really like it, though. 
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: DPardue on May 26, 2017, 07:23:23 AM
The foundation for this being a whale of a song is there.  Whether it is or not will depend on what they do in the studio with the last third of the song when it really starts to explode.  How that explosion is handled in the studio, I think, will go a long way in determining if this is a good song or perhaps a great song.   
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Nagrom76 on May 26, 2017, 09:34:35 AM
I'm sorry but this is the last sound I want to hear from my favorite band. This is U2 using a formula which I dislike. It's Song For Someone with a different ending. Give me The Fly part 2 or Mofo part 2 or Zoo Station part 2. If you're going to be U2 by the numbers, at least reflect your best work. I have given this a chance and I can't understand what they're doing anymore. Why not drop The Crystal Ballroom first (If they saved it for this album). Give the fans a song that at least sounds like you worked hard on. They can do little things in their sleep.


Really disappointed.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on May 26, 2017, 10:12:07 AM
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I'm sorry but this is the last sound I want to hear from my favorite band. This is U2 using a formula which I dislike. It's Song For Someone with a different ending. Give me The Fly part 2 or Mofo part 2 or Zoo Station part 2. If you're going to be U2 by the numbers, at least reflect your best work. I have given this a chance and I can't understand what they're doing anymore. Why not drop The Crystal Ballroom first (If they saved it for this album). Give the fans a song that at least sounds like you worked hard on. They can do little things in their sleep.


Really disappointed.

You realize they released Crystal Ballroom on the extended SOI, right?  What's your point?  That the extra two tracks from SOI would have been better saved for SOE?

Actually I'm not sure I disagree with that, if it would have meant the ~8 songs they have ready could have just had CB and Lucifer's Hands added and then we'd have a complete album.

You could take the b-sides from JT and RH and could have been an entirely additional (and VERY good) album.  But for whatever reason, they didn't.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 26, 2017, 10:16:29 AM
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I'm sorry but this is the last sound I want to hear from my favorite band. This is U2 using a formula which I dislike. It's Song For Someone with a different ending. Give me The Fly part 2 or Mofo part 2 or Zoo Station part 2. If you're going to be U2 by the numbers, at least reflect your best work. I have given this a chance and I can't understand what they're doing anymore. Why not drop The Crystal Ballroom first (If they saved it for this album). Give the fans a song that at least sounds like you worked hard on. They can do little things in their sleep.


Really disappointed.

You realize they released Crystal Ballroom on the extended SOI, right?  What's your point?  That the extra two tracks from SOI would have been better saved for SOE?

Actually I'm not sure I disagree with that, if it would have meant the ~8 songs they have ready could have just had CB and Lucifer's Hands added and then we'd have a complete album.

You could take the b-sides from JT and RH and could have been an entirely additional (and VERY good) album.  But for whatever reason, they didn't.

Crystal ballroom isn't single material, The little things definitely is.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Nagrom76 on May 26, 2017, 10:24:06 AM
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I'm sorry but this is the last sound I want to hear from my favorite band. This is U2 using a formula which I dislike. It's Song For Someone with a different ending. Give me The Fly part 2 or Mofo part 2 or Zoo Station part 2. If you're going to be U2 by the numbers, at least reflect your best work. I have given this a chance and I can't understand what they're doing anymore. Why not drop The Crystal Ballroom first (If they saved it for this album). Give the fans a song that at least sounds like you worked hard on. They can do little things in their sleep.


Really disappointed.

You realize they released Crystal Ballroom on the extended SOI, right?  What's your point?  That the extra two tracks from SOI would have been better saved for SOE?

Actually I'm not sure I disagree with that, if it would have meant the ~8 songs they have ready could have just had CB and Lucifer's Hands added and then we'd have a complete album.

You could take the b-sides from JT and RH and could have been an entirely additional (and VERY good) album.  But for whatever reason, they didn't.

Crystal ballroom isn't single material, The little things definitely is.

Was The Fly single material? That took risks back then. And to the above post...if you read my post, I clearly stated IF they had of save The Crystal Ballroom for SOE they could release it. I know it's on SO I. My point is...U2 has a dangerous side. We just haven't seen it in 20 years. The Little Things is as safe as they can be and Its boring IMHO. I'd love for them to drop a single that's edgy, darker and hard, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 26, 2017, 10:41:46 AM
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I'm sorry but this is the last sound I want to hear from my favorite band. This is U2 using a formula which I dislike. It's Song For Someone with a different ending. Give me The Fly part 2 or Mofo part 2 or Zoo Station part 2. If you're going to be U2 by the numbers, at least reflect your best work. I have given this a chance and I can't understand what they're doing anymore. Why not drop The Crystal Ballroom first (If they saved it for this album). Give the fans a song that at least sounds like you worked hard on. They can do little things in their sleep.


Really disappointed.

You realize they released Crystal Ballroom on the extended SOI, right?  What's your point?  That the extra two tracks from SOI would have been better saved for SOE?

Actually I'm not sure I disagree with that, if it would have meant the ~8 songs they have ready could have just had CB and Lucifer's Hands added and then we'd have a complete album.

You could take the b-sides from JT and RH and could have been an entirely additional (and VERY good) album.  But for whatever reason, they didn't.

Crystal ballroom isn't single material, The little things definitely is.

Was The Fly single material? That took risks back then. And to the above post...if you read my post, I clearly stated IF they had of save The Crystal Ballroom for SOE they could release it. I know it's on SO I. My point is...U2 has a dangerous side. We just haven't seen it in 20 years. The Little Things is as safe as they can be and Its boring IMHO. I'd love for them to drop a single that's edgy, darker and hard, if that makes sense.

The fly was single material though, at least in my mind. Yes it was daring but I wouldn't call it inaccessible. It's 90s rock at it's finest with an insane solo on it, shades of ginger baker style drumming and a real urgency in it's delivery.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on May 26, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
Would a song like the fly really be successful in today's music world? Do the general masses listen to hard rock like the fly? I don't hear that stuff on the radio. Songs have become softer and are generally about love when I tune into the radio. I think if One was released today it would be very successful. Then again, I put One on the same level as this new song. Love/breakup songs that start slower and have this big ending with a more pop guitar solo. Same goes for SFS and EBW. I certainly agree Crystal Ballroom had potential but it was a bonus track on SOI so it's irrelevant now to the discusssion of singles for SOE.

We live in a different world now. And honestly I don't think this forum should care so much about u2's radio singles because radio has become irrelevant. Many people use Spotify or Apple Music now.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on May 26, 2017, 11:15:43 AM
I don't claim to be an expert in monetizing music, but I agree radio play is irrelevant to 18-32 year old demographics.  I suspect singles are still important, however, because that's how music is consumed more nowadays.  I don't think Little Things is particularly "safe" or catchy as a single--actually I think it's kind of brutal.  I often have tears in my eyes by the end and not in a good way.  It sounds like a broken-hearted goodbye to fame from Bono and half makes me think SoE will be their last album and tour.

On a more positive, somewhat related note, I re-listened to Get On Your Boots yesterday, which is unusual for me as I usually skip it on NLOTH. 

It's actually a much better song than I give it credit for.  It wasn't a terrible single.  For pop-airplay I think Magnificent would have been a better first single as it's catchier and more accessible but I think we underrate GOYB sometimes on this forum. 
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on May 26, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
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I don't claim to be an expert in monetizing music, but I agree radio play is irrelevant to 18-32 year old demographics.  I suspect singles are still important, however, because that's how music is consumed more nowadays.  I don't think Little Things is particularly "safe" or catchy as a single--actually I think it's kind of brutal.  I often have tears in my eyes by the end and not in a good way.  It sounds like a broken-hearted goodbye to fame from Bono and half makes me think SoE will be their last album and tour.

On a more positive, somewhat related note, I re-listened to Get On Your Boots yesterday, which is unusual for me as I usually skip it on NLOTH. 

It's actually a much better song than I give it credit for.  It wasn't a terrible single.  For pop-airplay I think Magnificent would have been a better first single as it's catchier and more accessible but I think we underrate GOYB sometimes on this forum. 
Yeah we do. GOYB may not be their best song, but I think it's a good song and it was great live.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: octoberreckoning on May 26, 2017, 03:32:53 PM
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Yeah we do. GOYB may not be their best song, but I think it's a good song and it was great live.
Respectfully disagree immensely
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: apoed on May 26, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
I like GOYB.  Something about the beat reminds me of MGMT, another band that I enjoy.  As for 'Little Things', I'm a big fan, and I was not a big fan of most of SOI, so I'm hopeful that there'll be more tunes like this on SOE.  To me, 'Little Things' is Bono trying to write his own version of Sinatra's 'My Way'.  At a couple points during the performances, I've noticed that he belts out the same kind of Sinatra-esque croon he used in parts of  'Two Shots of Happy' and live versions of 'New York'.  I'm thinking that this is more than just a coincidence, and if it isn't, I actually think Sinatra is not a bad role model for U2 to aspire to be like at this stage of their careers.  It's certainly a more stately artist to look up to than, say, One Republic...     
Title: The little things that give you away
Post by: DoYouFeelLoved on May 26, 2017, 04:09:53 PM
I think Little Things features well crafted melodies and catchy hooks, it's a good song.

And here lies the problem: it's just "good". Not great nor exciting.

It's another blatant example of the "safe/autopilot mode" U2.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it, as I've said I think it's a good song, but it's not exactly giving me high hopes for SOE if it's in any way indicative of the sound of the album...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Rasmus on May 26, 2017, 07:34:06 PM
I think it just gets better and better each time I listen to it. It's a really good song and it gives me positive expectations for the new album. I definetly dont agree with people saying its boring or autopilot - not every song is meant to be Zoo Station or Mofo. I think its one of the best songs theyve written in 20 years.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on May 26, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
It's growing on me
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on May 26, 2017, 08:05:40 PM
 I think strength lies in the lyrics.  The words are quite heartbreaking. And, the mystery of whether or not they are autobiographical in some way, and deeply personal, or if it's Bono speaking in the third person againÖ
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 26, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
It's a solid song that builds up to something beautiful.  Bono seems to be coming to terms with the end of something...a relationship, a phase of life, his own personal mortality...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Slow Loris on May 26, 2017, 11:10:49 PM
Could Little Things be about Trump? I was listening to the words today, and it hit just sort of me that this may be the case. As crazy as it sounds, try listening to it with the idea it's about Trump and you will see what I mean. This might just be a political song from a personal perspective - embodying that certain duality found in many of U2's best songs. Seeing the main character on the stairs, for example, could be Trump at the inauguration. And him not noticing the people because he was not talking to them, but at them. As well as, "This freedom, it might cost you your liberty." We could go on...One could disect the entire song from this perspective...


The night gave you song
A light had been turned on
You walked out in the world
Like you belong there

As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Oh no la la, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom
It might cost you your liberty

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Sometimes, sometimes
When the painted glass shatters
And youíre the only thing that matters
But I canít see you through the fears
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 26, 2017, 11:18:46 PM
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Could Little Things be about Trump? I was listening to the words today, and it hit just sort of me that this may be the case. As crazy as it sounds, try listening to it with the idea it's about Trump and you will see what I mean. This might just be a political song from a personal perspective - embodying that certain duality found in many of U2's best songs. Seeing the main character on the stairs, for example, could be Trump at the inauguration. And him not noticing the people because he was not talking to them, but at them. As well as, "This freedom, it might cost you your liberty." We could go on...One could disect the entire song from this perspective...


The night gave you song
A light had been turned on
You walked out in the world
Like you belong there

As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Oh no la la, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom
It might cost you your liberty

Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear
Sometimes
The end is not coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Sometimes, sometimes
When the painted glass shatters
And youíre the only thing that matters
But I canít see you through the fears
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes
That's kind of a reach... I don't think that even the modern-day incarnation of Bono would be so over-dramatic over Trump (when looking at the "Sometimes" section or the song).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 27, 2017, 12:00:15 AM
Huh. I keep hearing "it's the little things that Jesus betrayed."

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: THRILLHO on May 27, 2017, 12:50:14 AM
k so i just heard this tonight <the Kimmel version> i was avoiding it in hopes of hearing it for the first time live at the concert tonight. they didn't play it.

i see the complaints but i think you all are being to harsh. it's NOT SFS bad, it meanders at the start and the electronic drum isn't my fav but it's solid with above-average-modern lyrics which is what i loved about SOI so much. i think it builds and i love Edges guitar.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: chriskellyco on May 27, 2017, 01:40:14 AM
Longtime lurker, seldom poster.  There are several things that excite me about this song.  One - Adam engaged on bass on the second verse. Two - Bono's lyrics - poetic and heartfelt - I don't think we've seen this openness since Achtung Baby.  Three - my U2 barometer is gauged by the hairs that stand on my arms - and this song, in its last minute, have my ample hairs in full attention.  I was not a fan of this song from the tour performances.  The Kimmel performance, however, made me a believer.  Maybe they gauge the audience whether to play this song or not.  This is a new truly great U2 song - and I say that as someone that hasn't been moved from one of their songs since City of Blinding Lights (I have a newborn, can't keep up with the acronyms).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 27, 2017, 04:12:38 AM
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JT is probably adams weakest album in my opinion. With exception of WOW which is painstakingly easy to play, to the point of being almost comical.. but the production makes it sound great. BTBS is the only half decent bass line after that I can't think of anything worthy of note. This tour has reminded me of his one note wonder period. Don't want him returning to that space.

In God's Country is another great Adam bassline
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 27, 2017, 04:16:09 AM
Do we have a solid meaning to Little Things? I keep thinking it's about Bono talking about writers block from the perspective of Ali?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: zoo adam on May 27, 2017, 06:39:55 AM
At the moment this song is a bit of a mystery.

Will it be another 'Invisible' and be released as a stand alone single. Then not included on the next album ?

Or will it be included on the next album, the band deciding to play it on tv shows & concerts months or years in advance ?

It's doubtful it will be both released as a single months or years beforehand and then included on the next album. U2's albums always have songs of brand new material.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 27, 2017, 09:34:36 AM
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Do we have a solid meaning to Little Things? I keep thinking it's about Bono talking about writers block from the perspective of Ali?
I'm pretty confident that this song is about depression and an eventual suicide attempt. The little things that give the narrator away the the showing signs of depression.

Quote
As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Maybe the narrator (I'll just call Jeff or something, because it sounds too clunky to say "the narrator" repeatedly...) feels out of place in the world. Jeff can't help but point out the horrible flaws in it and can't find happiness. I didn't bother to paste this past, but the first paragraph is probably only there to show us the transition from a "normal" state of mind to depression.

Quote
Oh, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

This entire bit describes Jeff's feeling of loneliness and uselessness.

Quote
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Jeff cannot confess what is going on with his mental state, and covers it up with his "big mouth". As for the latter part of the chorus, I am at a loss.

Quote
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

Again, Jeff feels useless and alone.

Quote
Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside

Jeff realizes that life is a miracle, and that thought might be the only thing preventing him from killing himself. The last couple of lines are just referencing this analyzation.

Quote
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died

Jeff has suicidal thoughts and has probably had his share of meltdowns...

Quote
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear

Jeff feels most on edge in the morning, probably after waking early from nightmares, and he contemplates suicide, etc.

Quote
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear

Jeff feels angry at the world, and as a result he has lost his faith. The last two lines are used to show his doubt in an afterlife.

Quote
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes

I think you can figure this part out for yourself...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on May 27, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
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Do we have a solid meaning to Little Things? I keep thinking it's about Bono talking about writers block from the perspective of Ali?
I'm pretty confident that this song is about depression and an eventual suicide attempt. The little things that give the narrator away the the showing signs of depression.

Quote
As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Maybe the narrator (I'll just call Jeff or something, because it sounds too clunky to say "the narrator" repeatedly...) feels out of place in the world. Jeff can't help but point out the horrible flaws in it and can't find happiness. I didn't bother to paste this past, but the first paragraph is probably only there to show us the transition from a "normal" state of mind to depression.

Quote
Oh, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

This entire bit describes Jeff's feeling of loneliness and uselessness.

Quote
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Jeff cannot confess what is going on with his mental state, and covers it up with his "big mouth". As for the latter part of the chorus, I am at a loss.

Quote
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

Again, Jeff feels useless and alone.

Quote
Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside

Jeff realizes that life is a miracle, and that thought might be the only thing preventing him from killing himself. The last couple of lines are just referencing this analyzation.

Quote
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died

Jeff has suicidal thoughts and has probably had his share of meltdowns...

Quote
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear

Jeff feels most on edge in the morning, probably after waking early from nightmares, and he contemplates suicide, etc.

Quote
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear

Jeff feels angry at the world, and as a result he has lost his faith. The last two lines are used to show his doubt in an afterlife.

Quote
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes

I think you can figure this part out for yourself...

That is fantastic. Thanks for sharing your details analysis of the lyrics, the are very deep and personal. It could connect with a lot of people if it released as a single!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 27, 2017, 09:52:32 AM
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Do we have a solid meaning to Little Things? I keep thinking it's about Bono talking about writers block from the perspective of Ali?
I'm pretty confident that this song is about depression and an eventual suicide attempt. The little things that give the narrator away the the showing signs of depression.

Quote
As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Maybe the narrator (I'll just call Jeff or something, because it sounds too clunky to say "the narrator" repeatedly...) feels out of place in the world. Jeff can't help but point out the horrible flaws in it and can't find happiness. I didn't bother to paste this past, but the first paragraph is probably only there to show us the transition from a "normal" state of mind to depression.

Quote
Oh, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

This entire bit describes Jeff's feeling of loneliness and uselessness.

Quote
Itís the little things that give you away
The words you cannot say
Your big mouth in the way
Itís the little things that tease and betray
As the hunted I become the prey
Itís the little things
The little things that give you away

Jeff cannot confess what is going on with his mental state, and covers it up with his "big mouth". As for the latter part of the chorus, I am at a loss.

Quote
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

Again, Jeff feels useless and alone.

Quote
Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside

Jeff realizes that life is a miracle, and that thought might be the only thing preventing him from killing himself. The last couple of lines are just referencing this analyzation.

Quote
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died

Jeff has suicidal thoughts and has probably had his share of meltdowns...

Quote
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear

Jeff feels most on edge in the morning, probably after waking early from nightmares, and he contemplates suicide, etc.

Quote
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear

Jeff feels angry at the world, and as a result he has lost his faith. The last two lines are used to show his doubt in an afterlife.

Quote
Sometimes
The end isnít coming
Itís not coming
The end is here
Sometimes

I think you can figure this part out for yourself...

That is fantastic. Thanks for sharing your details analysis of the lyrics, the are very deep and personal. It could connect with a lot of people if it released as a single!
Ah, thanks! I'm sure there are plenty of others that could do a much better job at elaborating on that thought than myself, though!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: THRILLHO on May 27, 2017, 10:05:30 AM
yea the last minute is classic. the first is def meh. its the best and worst of modern U2. the start is to polished, but as it goes it morphs into modern-classic territory.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 27, 2017, 10:44:00 AM
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Yeah we do. GOYB may not be their best song, but I think it's a good song and it was great live.
Respectfully disagree immensely

It was terrible live. Bono couldn't sing it without getting out of breath. It just became a bunch of poses.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on May 27, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
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k so i just heard this tonight <the Kimmel version> i was avoiding it in hopes of hearing it for the first time live at the concert tonight. they didn't play it.

i see the complaints but i think you all are being to harsh. it's NOT SFS bad, it meanders at the start and the electronic drum isn't my fav but it's solid with above-average-modern lyrics which is what i loved about SOI so much. i think it builds and i love Edges guitar.

Why are they using the electric drum? It sounds cheap, and Larry is sitting right there.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: THRILLHO on May 27, 2017, 10:47:30 AM
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Yeah we do. GOYB may not be their best song, but I think it's a good song and it was great live.
Respectfully disagree immensely

It was terrible live. Bono couldn't sing it without getting out of breath. It just became a bunch of poses.

nah the bridge killed live the 2 shows i saw
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k so i just heard this tonight <the Kimmel version> i was avoiding it in hopes of hearing it for the first time live at the concert tonight. they didn't play it.

i see the complaints but i think you all are being to harsh. it's NOT SFS bad, it meanders at the start and the electronic drum isn't my fav but it's solid with above-average-modern lyrics which is what i loved about SOI so much. i think it builds and i love Edges guitar.

Why are they using the electric drum? It sounds cheap, and Larry is sitting right there.

who knows. its to polished/modern whatever sounding then moves into a good song
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Exile on May 27, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
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Could Little Things be about Trump?

I think it's about his hands.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on May 27, 2017, 03:52:20 PM
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Could Little Things be about Trump?

I think it's about his hands.
Seriously funny!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 27, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
Liking it a lot, but needs some classic '80s Bono yodelling at the end.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 27, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
I think it's about Bono grappling w/ his mortality, his own and the band's.  It's not as hopeful as a lot of their other work, but it's catchy and I like it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: drjako on May 27, 2017, 08:34:52 PM
Still don't like it, personally.
If they'd released something like that clip from the studio Adam posted last year it would slap everyone in the face and demand some attention. Little Things is same old same old.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on May 27, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
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I think it's about Bono grappling w/ his mortality, his own and the band's.  It's not as hopeful as a lot of their other work, but it's catchy and I like it.

This.  I think it's Bono's self doubt about his entire life and career.  I think it's autobiographical in part because at the end of Vancouver (or maybe it was Seattle) he said quite autobiographically after singing "the end is here" he said quietly "Not just yet."
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on May 28, 2017, 02:25:11 AM
Hi :)
Sorry when this has already been asked, but I don't want to read 18 pages..   :P

I was looking for a thread exactly like this, because I was thinking about the meaning of the lyrics of TLTTGYA..

I was wondering whether the narrator (called Jeff here)... is talking to Bono from his perspective?
Maybe the narrator is Ali, talking to Bono?

Because the narrator is not talking about himself but another person, at least in what I call "first half" of the song.
To me the song seems to have two halves, the first one when a person is talking about a second person, and the second half,
starting with "sometimes..." when it seems that Bono is talking about himself.

When I was listening to this song at Jimmy Kimmel, with a good audio quality, I thought I have heard Bono singing "That any sun will reappear" instead of "That any song will reappear".
But I might be wrong because I am not a native English speaker.

If he sings about the sun and not song, the lyrics would get another meaning, not about a writers block, but a fear and doubt in general. Maybe you can listen to it again and see if I'm right or wrong.

BTW: Why was Bono using his left IEM ear plug during the entire Jimmy Kimmel interview? Was he too lazy to plug it out/it before they start singing? Did he need it for the few sentences singing "Lucille"?  ;D
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
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Hi :)
Sorry when this has already been asked, but I don't want to read 18 pages..   :P

I was looking for a thread exactly like this, because I was thinking about the meaning of the lyrics of TLTTGYA..

I was wondering whether the narrator (called Jeff here)... is talking to Bono from his perspective?
Maybe the narrator is Ali, talking to Bono?

Because the narrator is not talking about himself but another person, at least in what I call "first half" of the song.
To me the song seems to have two halves, the first one when a person is talking about a second person, and the second half,
starting with "sometimes..." when it seems that Bono is talking about himself.

When I was listening to this song at Jimmy Kimmel, with a good audio quality, I thought I have heard Bono singing "That any sun will reappear" instead of "That any song will reappear".
But I might be wrong because I am not a native English speaker.

If he sings about the sun and not song, the lyrics would get another meaning, not about a writers block, but a fear and doubt in general. Maybe you can listen to it again and see if I'm right or wrong.

BTW: Why was Bono using his left IEM ear plug during the entire Jimmy Kimmel interview? Was he too lazy to plug it out/it before they start singing? Did he need it for the few sentences singing "Lucille"?  ;D
He commits suicide and never sees another day.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: dontwantwhatideserve on May 28, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
My initial interpretation of this song was a conversation between experienced and innocent Bono. They are at odds with each other...but occasionally older Bono still has his moments of fire. His young self was born in the night, a light bulb hanging over his bed. Older Bono can't believe how things turned out and the situation he's in...and he can see himself from a distance. The criticisms of the public and his former self...his big mouth gets him in trouble. Writer's block, depression, creative identity...I suspect these lyrics were written while in recovery.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 28, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
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My initial interpretation of this song was a conversation between experienced and innocent Bono. They are at odds with each other...but occasionally older Bono still has his moments of fire. His young self was born in the night, a light bulb hanging over his bed. Older Bono can't believe how things turned out and the situation he's in...and he can see himself from a distance. The criticisms of the public and his former self...his big mouth gets him in trouble. Writer's block, depression, creative identity...I suspect these lyrics were written while in recovery.

Spot on.
Title: The little things that give you away
Post by: ZEROpartII on May 28, 2017, 03:14:39 PM
I love the first half.  Look the song is 57 year old rock stars not pretending to be young.  Nobody except maybe the Stones, Dylan, Steely Dan has been in the position to put out quality music at that age. 

Let's accept it for what it is.  I think it is beautiful.  I picture Bono crooning it in a smoky bar with a glass of scotch.  Then turns into Mercy crescendo. What's not to love?


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on May 28, 2017, 04:33:21 PM
The more I listen to it, the more I like it. Maybe because I am also no spring chicken! Or, to be more correct, spring chick.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: peto39 on May 28, 2017, 09:46:38 PM
It is a bloody great song. I saw two live versions - at Levi and 2nd night at Pasadena. It has classic U2 at the end when the Edge drives it home. Can't wait for SOE.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: So Cruel on May 28, 2017, 10:05:40 PM
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I love the first half.  Look the song is 57 year old rock stars not pretending to be young.  Nobody except maybe the Stones, Dylan, Steely Dan has been in the position to put out quality music at that age. 

Let's accept it for what it is.  I think it is beautiful.  I picture Bono crooning it in a smoky bar with a glass of scotch.  Then turns into Mercy crescendo. What's not to love?


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Springsteen has released great albums in his 50's and 60's
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on May 29, 2017, 12:50:40 AM
I don't think that the lyrics are about suicide, because the lyrics sound very autobiographical to me, and I don't believe that Bono has ever had any suicidal thoughts, except when he was young after his mother died (he said so in, I think it was U2 by U2). He is angry with people who kill themselves, waisting their lives, and don't wait until they get out of this dark moment (I think he said this in Bono on Bono).

I think this song is about what some others already wrote... self-doubt, thinking about the own mortality, which he probably wasn't closer than when he had his horrible accident in 2014, thinking about others mortality..Ali's, his children's, of his closest friends, some sentimental pessimism about whats going on in the world and where everything is "going"... terrorism, politics, and he can't do anything to make it better..
Maybe also about writers block... but is he singing "sun" or "song"?

But I still wonder why the song has a narrator part and a part in the first person.
Very interesting, very beautiful song and very personal lyrics.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 29, 2017, 02:45:39 AM
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I don't think that the lyrics are about suicide, because the lyrics sound very autobiographical to me, and I don't believe that Bono has ever had any suicidal thoughts, except when he was young after his mother died (he said so in, I think it was U2 by U2). He is angry with people who kill themselves, waisting their lives, and don't wait until they get out of this dark moment (I think he said this in Bono on Bono).

I think this song is about what some others already wrote... self-doubt, thinking about the own mortality, which he probably wasn't closer than when he had his horrible accident in 2014, thinking about others mortality..Ali's, his children's, of his closest friends, some sentimental pessimism about whats going on in the world and where everything is "going"... terrorism, politics, and he can't do anything to make it better..
Maybe also about writers block... but is he singing "sun" or "song"?

But I still wonder why the song has a narrator part and a part in the first person.
Very interesting, very beautiful song and very personal lyrics.

Maybe he's first reflecting someone, and then himself?

I also think the songs were first two separate songs: "The Little Things That Give You Away" and "Sometimes", and then it wasn't pretty to rewrite the lyrics in only first person or only third person
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on May 29, 2017, 03:00:49 AM
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Maybe he's first reflecting someone, and then himself?

I also think the songs were first two separate songs: "The Little Things That Give You Away" and "Sometimes", and then it wasn't pretty to rewrite the lyrics in only first person or only third person

Well, I think that the "first part" is someone else reflecting Bono. There are a few phrases that in my opinion describe Bono. Maybe someone else is reflecting him, maybe "younger Bono" is reflecting "older Bono"?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 29, 2017, 03:33:49 AM
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Maybe he's first reflecting someone, and then himself?

I also think the songs were first two separate songs: "The Little Things That Give You Away" and "Sometimes", and then it wasn't pretty to rewrite the lyrics in only first person or only third person

Well, I think that the "first part" is someone else reflecting Bono. There are a few phrases that in my opinion describe Bono. Maybe someone else is reflecting him, maybe "younger Bono" is reflecting "older Bono"?

I think it's old bono singing to young bono and then the 'sometimes' section is him coming full circle after all his experiences. I can't stop listening to it, it's full of so much emotion.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on May 29, 2017, 03:52:18 AM
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I think it's old bono singing to young bono and then the 'sometimes' section is him coming full circle after all his experiences. I can't stop listening to it, it's full of so much emotion.

Thats what I meant.. older Bono singing to younger Bono, the other way round doesn't make sense :)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 29, 2017, 03:53:38 AM
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I think it's old bono singing to young bono and then the 'sometimes' section is him coming full circle after all his experiences. I can't stop listening to it, it's full of so much emotion.

Thats what I meant.. older Bono singing to younger Bono, the other way round doesn't make sense :)

Best song I've heard by them since Beautiful Day I think,  an important song for sure, a real coming of age song.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on May 29, 2017, 04:15:26 AM
Can't think of another U2 song that touches me more emotionally like this one. I didn't like it when I've heard it first (Vancouver), but after hearing it in a good audio quality, and only the audio, I can't stop listen to it again and again.

Maybe because it also could be a hint that U2 might come to an end in the near future. This is what I believe, I don't know why, maybe because I've read an interview where Bono is saying that it's getting harder for him to leave his home, and that only recently he realised that he has a home.
Also maybe because I've read another interview where he was saying that he doesn't know if he wants to be on stage with a rock band in his sixties, and also maybe because this Live Nation deal/contract is terminated until 2020.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tommyboy6913 on May 29, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
Great song...I played to a couple of friends and they really liked it too. I hope it gets an official release but it's a strong track.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 30, 2017, 04:24:42 AM
I love how the music matches the mood of the lyrics. Starts off melancholic, the end is near... then the key change, Edge's guitar, Larry's drumming fires up, the end is not here, yes it is, no it's not,. They're not giving up. It's a very bittersweet song, more so than With Or Without You.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 30, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
I think the album is going to mention Bono's big mouth a lot:

1. The Little Things That Give You Away - ''The words you cannot say, your big mouth in the way...''
2. The Best Thing About Me - ''Iíll be crying out, How bad can a good boy be, Shooting off my mouth, Thatís another great thing about me''

Maybe the big mouth references will be SOE's equivalent of Achtung Baby's ''Baby''s?

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on May 30, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
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I think the album is going to mention Bono's big mouth a lot:

1. The Little Things That Give You Away - ''The words you cannot say, your big mouth in the way...''
2. The Best Thing About Me - ''Iíll be crying out, How bad can a good boy be, Shooting off my mouth, Thatís another great thing about me''

Maybe the big mouth references will be SOE's equivalent of Achtung Baby's ''Baby''s?
Talking about Achtung Baby. I bet that album has more 'love' than 'baby'. Every song has it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on May 30, 2017, 04:11:12 PM
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I think the album is going to mention Bono's big mouth a lot:

1. The Little Things That Give You Away - ''The words you cannot say, your big mouth in the way...''
2. The Best Thing About Me - ''Iíll be crying out, How bad can a good boy be, Shooting off my mouth, Thatís another great thing about me''

Maybe the big mouth references will be SOE's equivalent of Achtung Baby's ''Baby''s?
Talking about Achtung Baby. I bet that album has more 'love' than 'baby'. Every song has it.

I doubt it, the album has the word ''baby'' on so many songs, in multiple occasions.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ecadad on May 30, 2017, 07:49:05 PM
I think it's Bono looking back and seeing what he's becoming and thinking about what's to come.

Quote
The night gave you song
A light had been turned on
You walked out in the world
Like you belong there

On the i+e tour they used a lightbulb to harken back to the young days, and in Iris he talks about having his mother's light inside of him.

The night = his mother's death
Light turned on = his mother's death made him an artist (he used this metaphor often on the ie tour)


Quote
As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Easy as a breeze, each hart was your to please he was young and could easily charm people (he was popular, famous)

Is it only me who sees thereís something wrong there? Bono has talked about how his desire for attention seems like a problem (I think he's gone so far as to call it a disorder)... so he now sees that his need for attention was a problem, perhaps a way to cover up and cope with his loss.

Quote
Oh no la la, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

Pretty self explanatory, he now sees what he was.


I'll skip the chorus for now.

Quote
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

Seems like a poetic way to transition to talking to his younger self.


Quote
You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom
It might cost you your liberty

Lots of stuff here. Bono's now speaking to young Bono (you). Reminds me a bit of the lyrics from "Volcano", the rage he felt after his mom died and the risks that come with that rage.

Quote
Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside

Can't believe how far he's come, looking back on his life.

Quote
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died

He can't return to his innocent self. He's always calling himself reckless, he's injured himself, etc...

Quote
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear

Sounds like mortality terrors, fear of death, maybe after the bike accident, realizing he's going to die someday?

Quote
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear

Doesn't have hope that he'll ever write songs like he used to, or that he can't be as happy as he used to be, or upset at what the world has become and he feels powerless about it. Lost faith in family/religion/people/etc.


That's what I got from it anyways.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 30, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
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I think it's Bono looking back and seeing what he's becoming and thinking about what's to come.

Quote
The night gave you song
A light had been turned on
You walked out in the world
Like you belong there

On the i+e tour they used a lightbulb to harken back to the young days, and in Iris he talks about having his mother's light inside of him.

The night = his mother's death
Light turned on = his mother's death made him an artist (he used this metaphor often on the ie tour)


Quote
As easy as a breeze
Each heart was yours to please
Is it only me who sees
Thereís something wrong there

Easy as a breeze, each hart was your to please he was young and could easily charm people (he was popular, famous)

Is it only me who sees thereís something wrong there? Bono has talked about how his desire for attention seems like a problem (I think he's gone so far as to call it a disorder)... so he now sees that his need for attention was a problem, perhaps a way to cover up and cope with his loss.

Quote
Oh no la la, Iím not a ghost now
I can see you
You need to see me

Pretty self explanatory, he now sees what he was.


I'll skip the chorus for now.

Quote
I saw you on the stairs
You didnít notice I was there
Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
Not to me

Seems like a poetic way to transition to talking to his younger self.


Quote
You were high above the storm
A hurricane being born
But this freedom
It might cost you your liberty

Lots of stuff here. Bono's now speaking to young Bono (you). Reminds me a bit of the lyrics from "Volcano", the rage he felt after his mom died and the risks that come with that rage.

Quote
Sometimes
I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance
I canít get back inside

Can't believe how far he's come, looking back on his life.

Quote
Sometimes
The air is so anxious
All my thoughts are so reckless
And all of my innocence has died

He can't return to his innocent self. He's always calling himself reckless, he's injured himself, etc...

Quote
Sometimes
I wake at four in the morning
When all the darkness is swarming
And it covers me in fear

Sounds like mortality terrors, fear of death, maybe after the bike accident, realizing he's going to die someday?

Quote
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
Full of anger and grieving
So far away from believing
That any song will reappear

Doesn't have hope that he'll ever write songs like he used to, or that he can't be as happy as he used to be, or upset at what the world has become and he feels powerless about it. Lost faith in family/religion/people/etc.


That's what I got from it anyways.
I like this interpretation... I get the same feeling from the "Sometimes" portion of the song. Bono has written about his struggle in maintaining his faith in the past.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 31, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
It seems like a very honest and personal song, almost embarrassingly revealing. I like how Bono is willing to share his fears and doubts.  He seems like such a giant of the faith that it's nice to know he has such moments, although I'm sure he gets through it like a champ most of the time.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kurukira on June 01, 2017, 12:39:31 AM
Bono described this as an "F off song" - in my own opinion, and this is just MY opinion, it's a pretty weak "F off"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on June 01, 2017, 02:06:08 AM
I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: popsadie on June 01, 2017, 02:17:50 AM
After hearing it live...I like the first part ok, but I love the ending. I can relate to the lyrics very well and lyrically, its the kind of u2 song I prefer. I think the build is impressive, but the beginning does feel a bit too mellow for me.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on June 01, 2017, 04:54:13 AM
Its probably the closest climatic arrangement to AIWIU that they have done
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on June 01, 2017, 05:38:04 AM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!
Please tell me you hear the "titanic" theme song bits in the piano part ...I swear I'm not crazy.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on June 01, 2017, 08:25:42 AM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!
Please tell me you hear the "titanic" theme song bits in the piano part ...I swear I'm not crazy.

I hear truly madly deeply by Savage Garden.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on June 01, 2017, 08:29:11 AM
I hear dead people.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: RABIDLAMB on June 01, 2017, 09:55:31 AM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

Yep, I'm of the same opinion too, it's just mid-tempo formulaic U2.
I still feel the same about MOS too although some people thinks that's a classic for me it's a skip tune.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 01, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

Yep, I'm of the same opinion too, it's just mid-tempo formulaic U2.
I still feel the same about MOS too although some people thinks that's a classic for me it's a skip tune.
Make that three.

The "Sometimes" part has some potential, though. Some more inspired play from Edge would make a world of difference for this track. Also, more emphasis on Adam's playing is necessary (they stopped including his short fill in the latest live versions).

I'll try not to comment too much more on this song until we get an official release.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jswallow on June 01, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

Yep, I'm of the same opinion too, it's just mid-tempo formulaic U2.
I still feel the same about MOS too although some people thinks that's a classic for me it's a skip tune.
Yeh I'm the same I'm just not feeling it I've played it loads, the song just doesn't go anywhere the end is just a recycled Mercy , Can't believe they are finishing most shows with this, surely has to be a more energetic new song to finish the gig with

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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on June 01, 2017, 01:38:29 PM
Little things is much better than MOS. It still seems like two songs sown together thiugh. From Sometimes onwards its one of the most magical moments they have produced
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: DGordon1 on June 01, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

See I agree with a lot of this but still like the song!

Musically it's quite pedestrian and uninteresting, but it really builds in momentum and has a real honest, emotional core to it that resonates. Bono's very unpretentious in this song, and opens up in a more hobest way than you tend to hear from him.

So for me it's light on artistry but big on soul. I like that it's not contrived and seems to be coming from a genuine place. I do hope for some more artistry on the album and I'm quite confident we'll get that.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: very good on June 01, 2017, 04:58:37 PM
I think it has a lot of potential but hearing a song live for the first time 99% of the time doesn't do it justice. Will reserve judgement but I'm fairly confident it'll be a belter. Certainly a zillion miles better than anything on SOI.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: codeguy on June 01, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

Yep, I'm of the same opinion too, it's just mid-tempo formulaic U2.
I still feel the same about MOS too although some people thinks that's a classic for me it's a skip tune.



I don't think I'm one of those biased 'the new music is great' people - I didn't like The best thing, i'm tepid on the miracle, and I think the new performances are showcasing a great band that's past it's peak - particularly Bono's voice - but I do like this song - especially the climax.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: the_chief on June 04, 2017, 12:57:16 PM
I love it....

Honestly....I'm in a bad place right now, in terms of my mentality. Those lyrics sum up how I feel and that guitar at the end just sums up my feelings in terms of it's sound and the notes played. Only a handful of songs make me cry but, this is one of them.

This is evidence that they still got it
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Bundang Dave on June 04, 2017, 01:55:35 PM
For me, it's OK but it doesn't increase my anticipation for the album much. I like that the structure is a bit different with the two halves spliced together, but I think the delivery is too MOR for my taste.

I wish Bono would use his Cedars of Lebanon/Wake Up Deadman delivery for The Little Things section as a stronger contrast to the Sometimes section. And I find the cute self-reference in the 'big mouth in the way' line gets old fast.

Having said that I am interested to hear how they put it together in the studio for the album. The right production could transform this into a real winner.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on June 04, 2017, 01:58:13 PM
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I love it....

Honestly....I'm in a bad place right now, in terms of my mentality. Those lyrics sum up how I feel and that guitar at the end just sums up my feelings in terms of it's sound and the notes played. Only a handful of songs make me cry but, this is one of them.

This is evidence that they still got it
Hang in there, chief...better days are coming...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: soloyan on June 04, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
I like the song. It has potential and it is a real U2 song. That being said, I think it lacks dynamics from Bono. He seems to be singing in the same range and at the top of his lungs the whole time.

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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: NOLA Fly on June 04, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
I avoided listening to the song before the Dallas concert in the hopes that they would play it (they didn't). Since then, I've listened to the Kimmel version twice and the performance from Pasadena 2 once (I don't want to be overly familiar with it before the album comes out) and I like what I hear so far. It feels like a real grower to me. I couldn't recite the lyrics at this point, but I love the emotion in it and the sound/feel of it has stuck with me. I especially love the end. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it functions on the album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: the_chief on June 04, 2017, 05:57:23 PM
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I love it....

Honestly....I'm in a bad place right now, in terms of my mentality. Those lyrics sum up how I feel and that guitar at the end just sums up my feelings in terms of it's sound and the notes played. Only a handful of songs make me cry but, this is one of them.

This is evidence that they still got it
Hang in there, chief...better days are coming...

I hope...Although, if the band produce songs like this then, I'll gladly accept it

Thanks for the post. Means something to me :)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on June 04, 2017, 06:14:34 PM
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I love it....

Honestly....I'm in a bad place right now, in terms of my mentality. Those lyrics sum up how I feel and that guitar at the end just sums up my feelings in terms of it's sound and the notes played. Only a handful of songs make me cry but, this is one of them.

This is evidence that they still got it
Hang in there, chief...better days are coming...

I hope...Although, if the band produce songs like this then, I'll gladly accept it

Thanks for the post. Means something to me :)
:)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on June 05, 2017, 07:16:06 AM
Ppl singing along w this at chi2 - loving this song more everyday and was amazing to hear in person last night!
Title: The little things that give you away
Post by: aviastar on June 05, 2017, 07:58:26 AM
This song was awesome last night at CHI 2 but people around me were streaming for the exits (I was 226 - great spot facing the whole screen and stage).  I was pi**ed...I guess I expect everyone coming to a U2 show to give "my band" the respect they deserve! 

Me: "Yes Yes Yes!  They are gonna do Homecoming!"
Casual fan next to me: "Huh?"

Later on:
Casual fan: "Oh Yes!  Elevation! This is awesome!"
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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tony_bolony on June 05, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
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I have steered clear of commenting on this track so far - I am at a loss personally to get what people like about it so much, the response here seems almost universally very positive and I have listened to it now about 5 times and I just don't get it.

I've read the analysis and tried to "compute" that and I still just don't get what it is that is so good about this song...feels like a hybrid of an elton john/coldplay mid tempo song to me.

Really uninspiring to me. It feels so straight and MOR to me - my least favourite incarnation of u2.

Sorry!

Yep, I'm of the same opinion too, it's just mid-tempo formulaic U2.
I still feel the same about MOS too although some people thinks that's a classic for me it's a skip tune.
Make that three.

The "Sometimes" part has some potential, though. Some more inspired play from Edge would make a world of difference for this track. Also, more emphasis on Adam's playing is necessary (they stopped including his short fill in the latest live versions).

I'll try not to comment too much more on this song until we get an official release.

I have to be honest here, when I first heard the song (bad quality stream from the Vancouver show) I thought Bono was singing "So tired..." not "Sometimes". That pretty much sums up how this song sounds to me. So tired. It sounds like they threw together all the sounds they think people like about U2 while not really hitting the mark. I feel bad for saying it. I've really loved the random release singles these last few years (ie: Invisible etc)... this one just falls flat for me.
That being said, there's something about hearing it AT the concert, so I will reserve final judgement until then.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on June 05, 2017, 09:38:43 AM
Last night in Chicago Bono said that it's the last song on SOE.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 05, 2017, 09:47:37 AM
Sorry but I really like it and it is a grower.  Looking forward to actually hearing it live and also the studio version.  Strong emotional lyrics from Bono - some of the best in a while. 
It could be a  'torch anthem' of the like that would be sung by people in a community when things are tough. 
Don't Look Back in Anger is another mid-tempo song, but the people of Manchester have made it their own in recent weeks because it sums up how they feel on different levels after recent events.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 05, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
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Last night in Chicago Bono said that it's the last song on SOE.

So they have decided some of the SOE tracklisting. My word the last lyrics of this album are going to be
Sometimes / The end isn't coming / It's not coming / The end is here / Sometimes

After SOE, is it going to be another 'go away and dream it all up again' time for the band?  They have talked about SOE being the end of the current cycle of albums - which interestingly is two and not the usual three.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: anthonyintijuana72 on June 05, 2017, 10:10:07 AM
the first 2/3 I think are really promising then all of a sudden it turns into beautiful day/ don Henley/ bryan adams / fix you by coldplay vibes  which for me totally ruins it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on June 05, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
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This song was awesome last night at CHI 2 but people around me were streaming for the exits (I was 226 - great spot facing the whole screen and stage).  I was pi**ed...I guess I expect everyone coming to a U2 show to give "my band" the respect they deserve! 

Me: "Yes Yes Yes!  They are gonna do Homecoming!"
Casual fan next to me: "Huh?"

Later on:
Casual fan: "Oh Yes!  Elevation! This is awesome!"
Me:


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I'm not a casual fan and I'd have the same reaction--in fact I did, because Elevation was about 100 times more fun in concert than ASOH at LA1. 

I can't believe how bonkers everyone has gone about ASOH.  It's like they finally played Drowning Man and then cut it after three shows....
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: samko on June 05, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
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Last night in Chicago Bono said that it's the last song on SOE.

So they have decided some of the SOE tracklisting. My word the last lyrics of this album are going to be
Sometimes / The end isn't coming / It's not coming / The end is here / Sometimes

After SOE, is it going to be another 'go away and dream it all up again' time for the band?  They have talked about SOE being the end of the current cycle of albums - which interestingly is two and not the usual three.

I think Songs of Ascent will complete the trilogy but my hunch is that will be their final album and E&I their last big world tour. Adam alluded to the band slowing right down after this
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: dayne on June 05, 2017, 11:26:21 AM
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I think Songs of Ascent will complete the trilogy but my hunch is that will be their final album and E&I their last big world tour. Adam alluded to the band slowing right down after this

The only way they could slow down any more would be to cease being a band altogether... The Beatles have had more content released in the last 15 years than U2.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 05, 2017, 01:31:46 PM
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I think Songs of Ascent will complete the trilogy but my hunch is that will be their final album and E&I their last big world tour. Adam alluded to the band slowing right down after this

The only way they could slow down any more would be to cease being a band altogether... The Beatles have had more content released in the last 15 years than U2.

If they do 'slow down' considerably then if the only way that I can see our charismatic B-man live on stage for a while is to try and second guess where he will be giving a lecture on humanitarian issues then I'll be content with that. 
Although joining all the humanitarian activist groups just to see Bono isn't the right way to go  ;D
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: braxhunt on June 05, 2017, 09:12:07 PM
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but last night Bono said TLTTGYA is the last track on SOE.

It was an awesome show BTW!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: threechords on June 06, 2017, 05:47:52 PM
yes the song was incredible.  Nuts to end a show that at max 1% of your audience KNOW, but whatever.  it was awesome.  The jam at the end is Beautful Dayish, I give that to a poster above.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tommyboy6913 on June 06, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
I love this track and I hope the band continues to play it live. It's a great album closer for Songs of Experience. One thing that's been missing lately is an Anthem and this is a great example of an Anthem. It's sounds very U2-ish which is a good thing.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on June 07, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
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I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but last night Bono said TLTTGYA is the last track on SOE.

It was an awesome show BTW!

So the closer at the JT 2017 Tour has been either the first track of their first album (IWF from Boy) or the last track of their still-to-be-realeased latest album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on June 07, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: aviastar on June 07, 2017, 01:50:48 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on June 07, 2017, 02:11:29 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 07, 2017, 03:14:21 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on June 07, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 07, 2017, 03:23:08 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

The ironic thing is that he has just written one of the best in sometime.  Maybe since 2000 (Beautiful Day)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on June 08, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Lizard on June 08, 2017, 01:14:18 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   
I agree with all of you on what it could mean but then on the other hand the meaning could also be more general. He sings sometimes... I'm full of anger and grieving and ... the end is here and so on. So this could also be the description of a certain state of mind when you feel like that.
I just take it for what it is; a beautiful song that also means a lot to me and I'll wait and see what the future will be.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 08, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
I like "Little Things" quite a bit, but I think the rather dismal lyrics make it a bad note to end an album on.  I can always go listen to my grunge albums if I'm in a downer mood.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: wlomaco on June 08, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

Oh wow.  Pretty telling, but they've got a lot left in them if this song is any indication.  Ok so it's not Exit (my new favorite song after hearing it in Chicago 1), but the lyrics are beautiful and the heart is in the vocals, plus the guitar at the end.  I was very disappointed they did not do it at Chicago 1, I very much wanted to hear it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 08, 2017, 04:47:19 PM
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I like "Little Things" quite a bit, but I think the rather dismal lyrics make it a bad note to end an album on.  I can always go listen to my grunge albums if I'm in a downer mood.
U2 do a sorrowful album closer better than anybody, though. Cedars of Lebanon, Love Is Blindness, Wake Up Dead Man, Mothers of the Disappeared, The Troubles...

It's either that or they pull another Yahweh-type closer.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on June 08, 2017, 05:03:19 PM
Imagine if they did cedars live next tour...

Do you consider 40 as a sad song?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on June 08, 2017, 05:04:30 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

That's what it sounds like. After this + the end of their contract with Live Nation I think SOE will be there last album. It could go with a big tour, to fill it till 2020.

Enjoy it people. It could be great years!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on June 08, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

That's what it sounds like. After this + the end of their contract with Live Nation I think SOE will be there last album. It could go with a big tour, to fill it till 2020.

Enjoy it people. It could be great years!

Zoo TV 2020
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 08, 2017, 05:18:44 PM
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Imagine if they did cedars live next tour...

Do you consider 40 as a sad song?
Not particularly, I find it more uplifting than anything else.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 08, 2017, 06:06:51 PM
"40" is not sad.  It's from the Psalms, and while it acknowledges the current struggles, it points (I think) to a more hopeful future time.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: blovesu2 on June 08, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
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"40" is not sad.  It's from the Psalms, and while it acknowledges the current struggles, it points (I think) to a more hopeful future time.

"40" is indeed uplifting in theme/spirit. However, its delivered in anything bu a celebratory tone. There's more yearning in it than there is celebration/joy/optimism - at least, that's how I hear/experience it
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on June 09, 2017, 02:34:41 AM
"40" starts with sad lyrics. But then it's only hope and happiness
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JFW on June 09, 2017, 02:37:47 AM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

That's what it sounds like. After this + the end of their contract with Live Nation I think SOE will be there last album. It could go with a big tour, to fill it till 2020.

Enjoy it people. It could be great years!

Zoo TV 2020

I've got a different feeling by 'ZooTV 2020' compared to 'Joshua Tree Tour 2017'. If that's going to happen :) :D :) ;D.
And with a lot Zooropa!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MadRob360 on June 09, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on June 09, 2017, 07:37:30 AM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jjcruiser on June 09, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...

Because it's germane to a 30th year anniversary tour.  Because Bono just turned 57.  Because no one else has had their staying power and creativity.  Because the only song they chose to play from the upcoming album ends with "sometimes it's the end". 

We all still enjoy the music.  I went to the show.  I'll buy everything they release.  I listen to U2 music every day and not much else.  I bet a lot of people do as well.  But I think it's an interesting discussion to have.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Exile on June 09, 2017, 12:30:41 PM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? ... Just chill with the negativity  8)

Because they want to. It's called a forum (you know, that thing of when people gather to talk in a free society without fear of having their motives questioned all the time).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on June 09, 2017, 07:13:25 PM
 So, my husband is a casual U2 fan and was with me at the Pittsburgh show the other night. He had not heard the new song before, but really liked it! So maybe the band is onto something, if a casual fan who had never heard the song before liked it?  Maybe that risk has paid off? 

(And I can see where one could interpret the lyrics as foreshadowing of the remaining length of the bands career. But, for me, that is not something I am willing to spend time worrying about right now. Enjoying the fact that the *last* tour wasn't their final one  ;) )
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: This Dave on June 13, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...

Because it's germane to a 30th year anniversary tour.  Because Bono just turned 57.  Because no one else has had their staying power and creativity.  Because the only song they chose to play from the upcoming album ends with "sometimes it's the end". 

We all still enjoy the music.  I went to the show.  I'll buy everything they release.  I listen to U2 music every day and not much else.  I bet a lot of people do as well.  But I think it's an interesting discussion to have.

If your attitude is "It's just a song, can't they just play it without people thinking anything about it?", this is probably the wrong band for you.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on June 14, 2017, 01:35:10 AM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...
I listen to U2 music every day and not much else. 

You are in my view missing out on so much.....I know it is different strokes and all that but i really struggle to understand why people who clearly like musuc deny themselves the chance to listen to the masses and masses of great music that exists out there
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MadRob360 on June 14, 2017, 07:20:19 AM
Can't be fussed quoting all replies but all i was saying with regards to the 'when will they call it a day?' was that the discussion has been had many many times and nobody knows yet if/when that will happen thats all :) not knocking anyone so sorry if it was misinterpreted! And 'this isn't the band for you'....not entirely sure if that was meant for me but if it was....that's a bit daft. Followed the band since i was a kid, Dublin this year will be my 50th show...i think they're the band for me :D
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: gujuju on June 14, 2017, 08:31:28 AM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...
I listen to U2 music every day and not much else. 

You are in my view missing out on so much.....I know it is different strokes and all that but i really struggle to understand why people who clearly like musuc deny themselves the chance to listen to the masses and masses of great music that exists out there

An Tha -- please list some your favorite music to listen to in 2017?

Not to get off topic, but I've enjoyed new music from War On Drugs, Fleet Foxes, Rolling Blackouts Coastal Fever, and ARIZONA recently.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tony_bolony on June 14, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

This thought actually crossed my mind the first time I heard Little Things. If I may put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, perhaps this tour, which was supposed to be the SOE tour, was intended to be their goodbye tour, but then the election happened, giving them a fire in their bellies again and causing them to change their strategy.
/tinfoilhatoff

Truth be told, they might try to retire one day, but as long as the 4 of them live and breath, they never ever will.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on June 14, 2017, 12:11:07 PM
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Why do people keep banging on about if/when the band will call it a day? Just enjoy them while they're still playing live and making new music. They're in their 50's not 70's! Plenty of life in the lads yet and I reckon at the very least a few more records. Just chill with the negativity  8)
YES! Thank you...
I listen to U2 music every day and not much else. 

You are in my view missing out on so much.....I know it is different strokes and all that but i really struggle to understand why people who clearly like musuc deny themselves the chance to listen to the masses and masses of great music that exists out there

An Tha -- please list some your favorite music to listen to in 2017?

Not to get off topic, but I've enjoyed new music from War On Drugs, Fleet Foxes, Rolling Blackouts Coastal Fever, and ARIZONA recently.

2017 releases?

Lemon Memory - Menace Beach

Infinite Worlds - Vagabon

Love in The 4th Dimension - The Big Moon

In The Same Room - Julia Holter

Brutalism - Idles


Oh and the single of the year by a country mile is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhttLXBkJvE

From 2.55 on is just sheer beauty in sound...

And lyrically you'll have to go a long way to beat this lyric - 'A grey boy burned by cigarettes
Pushed by scarred hands through the fence'
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: PookaMacP on June 14, 2017, 03:11:07 PM
Little Things is a great song.

But I defy anyone to listen to the lyrics and not see the narrative arc as:
I used to find it very easy to write songs ('As easy as a breeze')
to
I now find it incredibly hard to write anything good, and we may call it a day ('So far away from believing that any song will reappear / Sometimes the end is not coming, it's not coming Ė the end is here').

If Bono can mine his own creative difficulties and come up with another eight or nine songs as good as this, well then they can happily call it a day. I'd rather they ended on a high than drag on for years making music no one wants to listen to, and doing thirty anniversary album tours ad infinitum.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on June 14, 2017, 04:23:00 PM
Couldn't agree more, the old title for this song was lead me in the way I should go, the old asking the young for help, Bono has talked about the song before:

"It's more about the present tense. The singer - the protagonist in it - is much closer to where we're at in our life and the younger character from Songs Of Innocence, they sometimes meet and one has a take on the other that is often a little aggressive. I often think about that - what would the younger me think of me now. Not much. In one song, there's another song called "The Morning After Innocence" where the older me goes and asks the younger me for help. It's a very tough one that goes

"Is that your fountain pen, navy with a nib of gold? You never could write so well or do anything you were told on 10 Cedarwood Road. I'm your older self, the song of experience, I've come to ask for some help from your song of innocence. Lead me in the way I should go. I'm running out of chances to blow, that's what you told me and you should know. Lead me in the way I should be. Unravel the mystery of the heart and its defense, the morning after innocence."

And a quote:

"The older protagonist is asking the younger one for help,Ē he explains. ďThe biggest problem that I face now is that I understand the dialectical nature of things. It can make you less clear about your response.Ē He sounds wistful. ďWhen I was younger, I knew what my position was on everything.Ē

I think it's a brilliantly truthful, tough, honest song, something I haven't heard from him in a long long time.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on June 17, 2017, 02:16:24 AM
The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JTNash on June 17, 2017, 02:57:01 PM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 17, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
I think it would be fun to see them in small venues when the casual fans drop away and all that's left are people like me who have been fans for 35-plus years.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: ultravioletlight on June 17, 2017, 06:40:14 PM
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I think it would be fun to see them in small venues when the casual fans drop away and all that's left are people like me who have been fans for 35-plus years.
This has been my dream for a while- seeing them at clubs playing covers, deep cuts and not having to play the warhorses every night.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 17, 2017, 06:47:38 PM
Hopefully we'll see you there someday, Ultra.  By that time I'll probably be in my 60's and we can call it geezer rock, lol!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on June 17, 2017, 10:00:00 PM
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I think it would be fun to see them in small venues when the casual fans drop away and all that's left are people like me who have been fans for 35-plus years.
This has been my dream for a while- seeing them at clubs playing covers, deep cuts and not having to play the warhorses every night.
I'll look forward to seeing you both there when the time comes!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 17, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one

Agreed 100%. This is a band with 4 pretty healthy members who didn't overindulge in drugs like many rock bands have--they could easily play well into their 70s if they wanted to. I would expect them to take longer breaks between touring (much like the Stones) but I would also expect them to continue sporadically touring in their 70s. And why not? They could become the first (and maybe only) band to play for 6 decades (they'd be close to 80, but again, good genes + good health = a long life span).

I know the Stones just celebrated 50 years, but I don't expect to see them around in 8 years.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 18, 2017, 07:05:15 PM
Family 4 pack (so Blessed and awesome to get to say that!) for Foxboro and I am 'ok' with it not being played since we have to leave early due to Gillette stadiums awful access road, literally one road, one way in, one way out...took us 2+ hours to go 2 miles in 2009.

Big fan of the song, wish they played it at the end of the first set, before JT.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
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I think it would be fun to see them in small venues when the casual fans drop away and all that's left are people like me who have been fans for 35-plus years.
This has been my dream for a while- seeing them at clubs playing covers, deep cuts and not having to play the warhorses every night.
Yes.  I hope this comes to pass.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: andrewau2 on June 23, 2017, 07:33:51 AM
Fun "little things" music video?

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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on June 23, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one

Agreed 100%. This is a band with 4 pretty healthy members who didn't overindulge in drugs like many rock bands have--they could easily play well into their 70s if they wanted to. I would expect them to take longer breaks between touring (much like the Stones) but I would also expect them to continue sporadically touring in their 70s. And why not? They could become the first (and maybe only) band to play for 6 decades (they'd be close to 80, but again, good genes + good health = a long life span).

I know the Stones just celebrated 50 years, but I don't expect to see them around in 8 years.

How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on June 23, 2017, 11:07:58 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

I've long wondered how they would handle a Goodbye Tour.  It's not out of the realm of possibility that they just wouldn't tell anyone until the end. I actually prefer that from a fan perspective. No fights over $10,000 tickets. If you're there for that show, you were there. If you weren't, well niether were most people on the planet. No fights over who is the biggest fan, who is a "real" fan, who has liked them since the Dandelion Market, who has been to the most shows, who should get to be in the GA front row, etc. 

"Thank you all for this life. Performing live has been everything to us, but all things must end. This was our last show. We'll be releasing things from time to time, check out U2.com"

They have a contract with Live Nation until 2020, so that's one long TJT tour or at least another tour (E&I, I&E 2 or whatever it will be called).

I'm speaking more generally. I don't think that this particular tour will be the last one, because I can't imagine them ending on a nostalgia tour. That would be awful. However, I do think Little Things is pretty damned clearly Bono talking about running out of steam.  I mean....he's literally talking about being unable to come up with a song and literally says "The end is here." You don't have to read the tea leaves to take the hint.

Completely agree.  At the end of San Jose I think he whispered "not just yet" after singing the end of Little Things.  That song is goodbye, whether it's 2017 or 2020.   

That's what it sounds like. After this + the end of their contract with Live Nation I think SOE will be there last album. It could go with a big tour, to fill it till 2020.

Enjoy it people. It could be great years!

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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on June 24, 2017, 01:57:10 AM
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How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

That's a good point..but they don't need to play Elevation or whatever...they have many songs that would also suit to them in a few years also. They still can write songs that suit better for "old U2".
Ahh..thinking about that they will stop performing in the near future sends a shiver down MY spine :(
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on June 24, 2017, 03:08:47 AM
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How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

That's a good point..but they don't need to play Elevation or whatever...they have many songs that would also suit to them in a few years also. They still can write songs that suit better for "old U2".
Ahh..thinking about that they will stop performing in the near future sends a shiver down MY spine :(
Yes sure most people myself included feel that way.. but in the words of Elton.. it's the circle of life!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: JTNash on June 24, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
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How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

That's a good point..but they don't need to play Elevation or whatever...they have many songs that would also suit to them in a few years also. They still can write songs that suit better for "old U2".
Ahh..thinking about that they will stop performing in the near future sends a shiver down MY spine :(
Yes sure most people myself included feel that way.. but in the words of Elton.. it's the circle of life!
I mean hey us fans are aging too, we deserve music that appeals to us
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on June 24, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Looks like its dropped completely now. That can only mean one thing...album is imminent..
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on June 24, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
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But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me.

Here you go...Bono singing Sinatra :D

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3rd farewell tour 2010...well ok, that book is from the late eighties :D

I thought dropping LT completely means that they think it doesn't work on this tour, and LT is the only song from the new album that has been finished, and that's why they don't play another new song instead.
But I still hope they bring it back once they hit Europe.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: howyousawtheworld on June 24, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
For me this song has a sincerity to it that they failed so miserably to capture on Songs of Innocence.

Good job.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: SwimmingSorrows on June 24, 2017, 06:54:35 PM
I love it.  Also, Bono said in an interview that he thinks SOI's production wasn't raw enough.  Gives me hope for the new album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 24, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one

Agreed 100%. This is a band with 4 pretty healthy members who didn't overindulge in drugs like many rock bands have--they could easily play well into their 70s if they wanted to. I would expect them to take longer breaks between touring (much like the Stones) but I would also expect them to continue sporadically touring in their 70s. And why not? They could become the first (and maybe only) band to play for 6 decades (they'd be close to 80, but again, good genes + good health = a long life span).

I know the Stones just celebrated 50 years, but I don't expect to see them around in 8 years.

How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

Good genes is just an assumption based on the fact that their family members (in general) haven't died young. Obviously Larry/Bono's respective mothers did, but didn't the rest of the band parents live a long time? The guys all look pretty decent for their ages and two of them look to be in great shape physically. Combine all that with the fact that they weren't heavy drug users and the fact that modern medicine continues to advance, and you've got a group of guys who very well could live well into their 80s or 90s. Heck, even without medical advances, people with good genes lived well into their 90s (including several I knew in and out of our family) so again, I wouldn't assume that the guys would be in terrible shape by their 70s.

Also, while I respect your opinion, I must point out that not everyone views their music that way and that there are probably a lot of fans who would love for the guys to continue playing well into their 70s. People probably never could have seen The Who continuing to play songs like "My Generation" in their 70s, yet here we are. Some will like it, some won't, but if the guys want to continue playing music for another decade or two? Good for them.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on June 25, 2017, 04:16:04 AM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one

Agreed 100%. This is a band with 4 pretty healthy members who didn't overindulge in drugs like many rock bands have--they could easily play well into their 70s if they wanted to. I would expect them to take longer breaks between touring (much like the Stones) but I would also expect them to continue sporadically touring in their 70s. And why not? They could become the first (and maybe only) band to play for 6 decades (they'd be close to 80, but again, good genes + good health = a long life span).

I know the Stones just celebrated 50 years, but I don't expect to see them around in 8 years.

How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

Good genes is just an assumption based on the fact that their family members (in general) haven't died young. Obviously Larry/Bono's respective mothers did, but didn't the rest of the band parents live a long time? The guys all look pretty decent for their ages and two of them look to be in great shape physically. Combine all that with the fact that they weren't heavy drug users and the fact that modern medicine continues to advance, and you've got a group of guys who very well could live well into their 80s or 90s. Heck, even without medical advances, people with good genes lived well into their 90s (including several I knew in and out of our family) so again, I wouldn't assume that the guys would be in terrible shape by their 70s.

Also, while I respect your opinion, I must point out that not everyone views their music that way and that there are probably a lot of fans who would love for the guys to continue playing well into their 70s. People probably never could have seen The Who continuing to play songs like "My Generation" in their 70s, yet here we are. Some will like it, some won't, but if the guys want to continue playing music for another decade or two? Good for them.

Yes I understand your view point. I guess there will always be 2 camps of thought on this.
Pains me to see people like McCartney destroy songs like come together, with his weakened voice. It has a sad element to it.. I would rather not watch u2 turn into that burr as you allude to, each to their own.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 25, 2017, 07:07:20 PM
When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mrsamrocks2 on June 25, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
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When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
They are always courting younger people? Sorry but touring a 30 years old album isn't exactly how a band attracts younger fans.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on June 25, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
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When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
They are always courting younger people? Sorry but touring a 30 years old album isn't exactly how a band attracts younger fans.

It attracts parents who bring younger fans
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 25, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
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When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
They are always courting younger people? Sorry but touring a 30 years old album isn't exactly how a band attracts younger fans.

It attracts parents who bring younger fans
But out of however many sets of parents, how many are actually bringing their children with them?

Plus, those children would mostly have to be between the ages of like 8 to 14... very young demographic for U2 to be targeting.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on June 25, 2017, 09:43:43 PM
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When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
They are always courting younger people? Sorry but touring a 30 years old album isn't exactly how a band attracts younger fans.

It attracts parents who bring younger fans
But out of however many sets of parents, how many are actually bringing their children with them?

Plus, those children would mostly have to be between the ages of like 8 to 14... very young demographic for U2 to be targeting.

When this is the E+I Tour I don't expect anymore than the amount of kids and parents who attended this tour. in fact I expect it to be less because it's indoors and most casuals won't care for the new stuff.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 25, 2017, 10:08:31 PM
Bono sang "Little THings" tonight in Boston and really held that final note.  Yes; you've still got it, B-Man!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on June 26, 2017, 12:40:34 AM
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Bono sang "Little THings" tonight in Boston and really held that final note.  Yes; you've still got it, B-Man!

Little Things is back?  :)
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 26, 2017, 04:07:51 AM
Yes it is.  Check it out on YouTube.  Seemed to be very well-received with the Boston crowd.
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Post by: Catlithco on June 26, 2017, 07:13:02 AM
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Yes it is.  Check it out on YouTube.  Seemed to be very well-received with the Boston crowd.

Thanks! Will check it out later today  :)
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Post by: MadRob360 on June 26, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
Nailed it, Seems to be one of those where it's taken a while to get comfortable with it live but he sounded brillant there in Boston
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Post by: OnlyU2 on June 26, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
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Nailed it, Seems to be one of those where it's taken a while to get comfortable with it live but he sounded brillant there in Boston

I love the way he held that note at the end
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 26, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
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The didn't play LT during the last four shows, I hope they didn't throw it out of the setlist for the rest of the tour :(

I'm also one who believes that they might "retire" after the next tour. I don't think (and hope) that JT is the last tour, but the next one might be the last one. Yes, the Live Nation contract ends in 2020 when they are 60. The might be tired of touring, thats what I think, especially since Bono said in an interview not long ago that it's getting harder to leave his home for being on tour (I've posted this here before).

Logically, they should avoid announcing a tour as their last tour. But on the other hand I wouldn't believe that a band who always says "Thank you for giving us a great life" in their concerts would go away without a word..
I think they will slow down but probally not ever stop touring but I'd bet they go like five years before another one

Agreed 100%. This is a band with 4 pretty healthy members who didn't overindulge in drugs like many rock bands have--they could easily play well into their 70s if they wanted to. I would expect them to take longer breaks between touring (much like the Stones) but I would also expect them to continue sporadically touring in their 70s. And why not? They could become the first (and maybe only) band to play for 6 decades (they'd be close to 80, but again, good genes + good health = a long life span).

I know the Stones just celebrated 50 years, but I don't expect to see them around in 8 years.

How do you know they have good genes? But seriously, why anyone want to hear bono attempting anything other than Frank Sinatra covers by the time he gets to his 70's is beyond me. Their music won't lend itself well to old age.
The stones play blues, which was invented by old men with basic acoustic sounds? They can probably get away with it more.

But the thought of hearing elevation or pride 20 years from now sends a shiver down my spine. I'd be happy for them to hang their coats up in 5 years.

Then they'll hopefully put out unreleased material from the archives.

Good genes is just an assumption based on the fact that their family members (in general) haven't died young. Obviously Larry/Bono's respective mothers did, but didn't the rest of the band parents live a long time? The guys all look pretty decent for their ages and two of them look to be in great shape physically. Combine all that with the fact that they weren't heavy drug users and the fact that modern medicine continues to advance, and you've got a group of guys who very well could live well into their 80s or 90s. Heck, even without medical advances, people with good genes lived well into their 90s (including several I knew in and out of our family) so again, I wouldn't assume that the guys would be in terrible shape by their 70s.

Also, while I respect your opinion, I must point out that not everyone views their music that way and that there are probably a lot of fans who would love for the guys to continue playing well into their 70s. People probably never could have seen The Who continuing to play songs like "My Generation" in their 70s, yet here we are. Some will like it, some won't, but if the guys want to continue playing music for another decade or two? Good for them.

Yes I understand your view point. I guess there will always be 2 camps of thought on this.
Pains me to see people like McCartney destroy songs like come together, with his weakened voice. It has a sad element to it.. I would rather not watch u2 turn into that burr as you allude to, each to their own.

I dunno. I saw McCartney live in 2011 and he still sounded great--and played a 3 hour show, to boot. I think there are probably some people who are just discovering the Beatles and McCartney's music--and they're just glad to get the chance to see him play those songs live. I know I was.

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When they are old, I believe they'll appreciate their old fans more.  Not that they don't appreciate us now, but they are always courting younger people.  When you're in your 70's, I imagine that that would not be the case.
They are always courting younger people? Sorry but touring a 30 years old album isn't exactly how a band attracts younger fans.

It attracts parents who bring younger fans
But out of however many sets of parents, how many are actually bringing their children with them?

Plus, those children would mostly have to be between the ages of like 8 to 14... very young demographic for U2 to be targeting.

Not sure how many are bringing kids, but I'm bringing a 17yo, 11yo and 15yo (who is a rap fan) to their first U2 shows this year. Initially these kids hated the band until they started getting into rock music (save for the 15yo), then they gave U2's music another chance and fell in love with it. Seriously, the 17yo has been to dozens of concerts and I never have seen her so excited as she was at the U2 show in Pittsburgh. And the 11yo is literally counting the days until Cleveland (and has been since January) and is a huge fan of Larry (being a young drummer herself). I'm just saying, the band's music can certainly appeal to younger fans if those younger fans are open minded enough to give it a fair listen.

But shine is right, U2 have been trying for several years now to "get relevant" with younger kids again. It's why they worked with the producers they did on SoI--they wanted a radio hit. I think they might be beginning to accept the fact that they don't need to make pop music to be relevant, because they ARE relevant, just being a legendary band.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 26, 2017, 01:22:24 PM
Just posted this in the 'First single topic':

Foxboro last night, loved the whole show, had my first family 4 pak with my wife and kids #Blessed

To be fair/critical, it did seem at times a bit 'tired and going through the motions', but when they finally got to play something new they LIT UP!! Little Things does surely sound very current/experience/autobiographical, but it is simply amazing live, holy crap, LOVE the song. #TheLittleThingsThatGiveYouAway1stSingle #LittleThings1stRelease

I think if they make it almost a staple to end every show, it is fair to release Little Things (even a live version as last night would be perfect...their timing as a band was not tighter on any other song and B's last note was pretty crazy!) from SOE while the JT tour is still running, right?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on June 26, 2017, 02:35:02 PM
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Just posted this in the 'First single topic':

Foxboro last night, loved the whole show, had my first family 4 pak with my wife and kids #Blessed

To be fair/critical, it did seem at times a bit 'tired and going through the motions', but when they finally got to play something new they LIT UP!! Little Things does surely sound very current/experience/autobiographical, but it is simply amazing live, holy crap, LOVE the song. #TheLittleThingsThatGiveYouAway1stSingle #LittleThings1stRelease

I think if they make it almost a staple to end every show, it is fair to release Little Things (even a live version as last night would be perfect...their timing as a band was not tighter on any other song and B's last note was pretty crazy!) from SOE while the JT tour is still running, right?
I would LOVE it if they did that!!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 26, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
And Edge confirmed once again that the LP is done!
Great video of song here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Yuvt6APpk
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 26, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
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And Edge confirmed once again that the LP is done!
Great video of song here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Yuvt6APpk

Can't wait to see them release it by the end of 2017 as they promised.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 27, 2017, 12:04:26 PM
To be fair to the boys, nobody promised it ;)
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Post by: tigerfan41 on June 27, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
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To be fair to the boys, nobody promised it ;)

Bono did in the X-mas video.  ;)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 27, 2017, 03:34:46 PM
Never used the word promise in that quirky rattle and hum meets MacPhisto Christmas video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWNcAa4DMs
But he certainly said it was coming in 2017.
Crazy also to think that a song this good is the last track on SOE.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Nagrom76 on June 27, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
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Never used the word promise in that quirky rattle and hum meets MacPhisto Christmas video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWNcAa4DMs
But he certainly said it was coming in 2017.
Crazy also to think that a song this good is the last track on SOE.

"The end is near"...I hate to think about that.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: U2Fan on June 27, 2017, 03:55:45 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

Yes, I think this is correct.  And they way they converge towards Larry's drums at the end makes me think this even more.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on June 27, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
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I really think we are looking at a SOE SOA double album or combination. Maybe 12 SOE and 3 SOA songs.. and thats the end. Bono is preparing us for the end wih Little Things. I dont even think they will tour again after JT. Its all smoke and mirrors. Bono is saying goodbye right now.

I kinda thought that about Little Things when I first heard it ~ this was kind of the beginning of the end.

Yes, I think this is correct.  And they way they converge towards Larry's drums at the end makes me think this even more.

I think there will be 2 more tours after E + I. This cycle of make an album for 5 years then tour for 3 is getting old.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on June 27, 2017, 10:52:03 PM
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Never used the word promise in that quirky rattle and hum meets MacPhisto Christmas video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWNcAa4DMs
But he certainly said it was coming in 2017.
Crazy also to think that a song this good is the last track on SOE.

"The end is near"...I hate to think about that.

The lyrics actually are:

The end is here...sometimes
and not the end is near

Not quite a big difference, but a difference.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: gujuju on June 28, 2017, 07:22:40 AM
One thing I learned from observing my parents is people need to work, they need something to keep them occupied.  While this is art, ultimately being part of U2 is a "job".  They are still too young in the mid-late 50's to shut it down and just lay on a beach and do nothing.  Two other considerations:  (1) they are loved everywhere they go and play to sold-out stadiums, and (2) they still have a lot to say.  On (1) not that I would know, but it feels good to have 80,000 people screaming for you -- how can you walk away from that.   On (2) Bono is not your ordinary frontman -- he has a lot of things intrinsic and extrinsic to his life to communicate -- what better platform than through music and U2.   

I think these guys will keep going as long as all four of them are healthy.   
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on June 28, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
"There's only one way out, and that's in a coffin"  - said Bono
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on June 28, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
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"There's only one way out, and that's in a coffin"  - said Bono

So says the man who had 2 near scrapes that we know about in 2014. 
One was the door opening in mid-air on his private plane and the luggage being sucked out somewhere over the Germany area (fortunately the design of the plane meant that the passenger compartment was further segregated off).  Very soon afterwards he had the second.  Which was the infamous bike accident - sadly there have been people who come off a push bike and have not lived to tell the tale.

I do remember this quote from Bono - when did he say this, was it in the last couple of years?  Where is it from?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: OnlyU2 on June 28, 2017, 12:58:09 PM
He said it in October, 2016.  There are a number of articles about it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jick on June 29, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on June 29, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
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Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J

Great audio!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mikepd on June 29, 2017, 01:53:28 PM
so still not getting it - despite seeing it live last night    Thousands left stadium as they started to play this - not a show closer
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: U2Fan on June 29, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
No where near as many left stadium last night as opposed to when they ended with MOS on the 360 tour.

Most people will want to beat the traffic at these events.  After all the hassle to get to stadium, meet your friends, tailgate/drink, wait for U2 to take stage (late), many folks will try to exit ahead of the rest. 

All the One Campaign executives in the VIP area of the floor left during One!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 29, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
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No where near as many left stadium last night as opposed to when they ended with MOS on the 360 tour.

Most people will want to beat the traffic at these events.  After all the hassle to get to stadium, meet your friends, tailgate/drink, wait for U2 to take stage (late), many folks will try to exit ahead of the rest. 

All the One Campaign executives in the VIP area of the floor left during One!
100% this...especially at crap places like Foxboro...nice little town, but unbelievably poor choice. We actually left after Ultra as we all thought they wouldn't be playing TLTTGYA as they hadn't for 6-7 shows straight. (actually even if we knew it was being played, we would have left anyway because of Foxboro MetLife much easier to get out of in my opinion).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 29, 2017, 05:23:13 PM
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Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J

Great audio!
Nice find and cool to have a clean version of the first time played. Never heard the "2-3-4"...Larry I presume?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Exile on June 29, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
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Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J

Great audio!
Nice find and cool to have a clean version of the first time played. Never heard the "2-3-4"...Larry I presume?

No, it's just part of the prerecorded click track that feeds into their earpieces.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on June 29, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
oh, cool, thanks!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: PookaMacP on June 30, 2017, 03:14:41 PM
I know this discussion has been had before, but I find the voice prompting 'verse', 'chorus', etc, a little depressing. Sad that on such a new (and excellent) song, they need this.

Anyway, resume normal service.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on June 30, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
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Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J
Just watched this again...chilling.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: jabw10 on July 02, 2017, 06:36:56 PM
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I know this discussion has been had before, but I find the voice prompting 'verse', 'chorus', etc, a little depressing. Sad that on such a new (and excellent) song, they need this.

Anyway, resume normal service.
I think this sort of thing is somewhat typical for bands using in ear monitors and a click track for live performance.  It also doesn't surprise me that they would need reminders for a new song as opposed to an old one - especially after singing for two hours already & probably being a little mentally fatigued.
When I first heard this recording, I actually thought it was kind of cool hearing that stuff, because it felt like you were getting insider knowledge of what they were hearing when they were on stageÖ (As a performer I think that's totally cool )
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: K2 on July 02, 2017, 08:56:17 PM
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Best version on youtube so far for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgJVe6yLtY

Cheers,

J

Excellent, thank you. Love that song - can't get enough of it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 03, 2017, 01:49:54 AM
The kimmel one is better, more direct.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 03, 2017, 10:40:39 AM
Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on July 03, 2017, 11:10:38 AM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.
You are SUCH a grumpy old gus...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 03, 2017, 11:50:14 AM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.
You are SUCH a grumpy old gus...

Yup....
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on July 03, 2017, 01:05:19 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.
You are SUCH a grumpy old gus...

Yup....
It's ok...if you weren't grumpy, we would all think something was wrong with you.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 03, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.
You are SUCH a grumpy old gus...

Yup....
It's ok...if you weren't grumpy, we would all think something was wrong with you.

I am sure people know there is something wrong with me!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: howyousawtheworld on July 04, 2017, 07:56:14 AM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 04, 2017, 01:17:40 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: The Exile on July 04, 2017, 02:07:21 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 04, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.
It's a bit odd how a band that was once fairly well respected dropped off so quickly... just a total 180į degree change in style.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 04, 2017, 02:30:21 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.

No arguments from me with that.

Parachutes, Rush of Blood and X&Y easily trump Behind, Bomb and NLOTH for my money.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on July 04, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.
Good point. I think they took a lot from Joshua tree era u2 with their second album.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: howyousawtheworld on July 04, 2017, 02:33:57 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.

I wouldn't disagree. I'd go further and say Coldplay's first 4 albums absolutely smash U2's last 4 albums out of the park (seeing as both Parachutes and ATYCLB were both released in 2000). In fact I thought Coldplay were one of the best bands in the world in 2008 - Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends is a joyous listen including the missed cuts from Prospekt's March and the couple of b sides that it produced. Their Viva tour was also fantastic. But since then it's been a catalogue of ever increasing disappointments. Mylo Xyloto is not a bad album but it's quite average, Ghost Stories is worse than average and A Head Full Of Dreams is the epitome of trashy disposable modern day pop. It is scarcely believable that the Coldplay of the noughties could have produced such rubbish. It makes any of U2's poorest work look like a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: bass slap on July 04, 2017, 02:38:04 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.

I wouldn't disagree. I'd go further and say Coldplay's first 4 albums absolutely smash U2's last 4 albums out of the park (seeing as both Parachutes and ATYCLB were both released in 2000). In fact I thought Coldplay were one of the best bands in the world in 2008 - Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends is a joyous listen including the missed cuts from Prospekt's March and the couple of b sides that it produced. Their Viva tour was also fantastic. But since then it's been a catalogue of ever increasing disappointments. Mylo Xyloto is not a bad album but it's quite average, Ghost Stories is worse than average and A Head Full Of Dreams is the epitome of trashy disposable modern day pop. It is scarcely believable that the Coldplay of the noughties could have produced such rubbish. It makes any of U2's poorest works look like a masterpiece.

Killers and kings of Leon also seemed to take a bite from that same sh** sandwich. Rose to fame around that time, produced a couple of great albums each, but now look at their out put...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 04, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
I think Coldplay did some great stuff.  I love "Strawberry Swing" and really love "God Put a Smile on Your Face".
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kim on July 05, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
Look at the dates of the posts on Instagram.

https://instagram.com/p/4peOiQAF1X/ (https://instagram.com/p/4peOiQAF1X/)

https://instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/ (https://instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/)

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MPare1966 on July 05, 2017, 02:03:21 PM
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Tried it again today it's all a bit too Elton John meets Coldplay for me.

Not good.

Coldplay wishes they were half as good as Elton and U2. Not peak Achtung Baby U2 or peak 70s Elton but today's Elton and U2!

To be fair coldplay do MOR better than U2.

Coldplay circa 2004 was way better than the U2 of that same era. Their first two albums were great, I think we tend to judge their entire existence based on the piles of pants they've been churning out more recently.

I wouldn't disagree. I'd go further and say Coldplay's first 4 albums absolutely smash U2's last 4 albums out of the park (seeing as both Parachutes and ATYCLB were both released in 2000). In fact I thought Coldplay were one of the best bands in the world in 2008 - Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends is a joyous listen including the missed cuts from Prospekt's March and the couple of b sides that it produced. Their Viva tour was also fantastic. But since then it's been a catalogue of ever increasing disappointments. Mylo Xyloto is not a bad album but it's quite average, Ghost Stories is worse than average and A Head Full Of Dreams is the epitome of trashy disposable modern day pop. It is scarcely believable that the Coldplay of the noughties could have produced such rubbish. It makes any of U2's poorest work look like a masterpiece.

95% in tune with you here. The first 4 albums are amazing and top grades go to AROBTTH and Viva/Prospekt. But in the case of GS, I will say that it slowly grew on me. I appreciate it more today than when it was released.

Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Catlithco on July 05, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
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Look at the dates of the posts on Instagram.

https://instagram.com/p/4peOiQAF1X/ (https://instagram.com/p/4peOiQAF1X/)

https://instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/ (https://instagram.com/p/4ev6gcAF_Z/)

Ha! Wow! 2015...
But I'm right, he sings sun and not song. You can see it in the
2nd instagram posting. The words are a little different, but he means sun and not
song.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on July 05, 2017, 02:51:50 PM
I have this song stuck in my head today...and I don't even know all the words yet...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Bmoney on July 07, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
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I have this song stuck in my head today...and I don't even know all the words yet...


Same here! When I first heard the song I wasn't impressed, but after it being stuck in my head for 3 days straight I've grown to love it.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: riffraff on July 08, 2017, 04:39:45 AM
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I have this song stuck in my head today...and I don't even know all the words yet...


Same here! When I first heard the song I wasn't impressed, but after it being stuck in my head for 3 days straight I've grown to love it.
Exactly my experience...I was a little disappointed in the song at first listen...now I'm hooked. They've done it again!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: andrewau2 on July 08, 2017, 10:10:54 AM
Has the hunter now become the prey?
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Daniel94 on July 08, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWQkXWZFyi9/?taken-by=guyoseary&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BWQkXWZFyi9/?taken-by=guyoseary&hl=en)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on July 10, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
Loved hearing it in London Saturday night.  I really wanted to hear it live - surprised myself about how much of the words I have picked up having only seen internet footage about a dozen times.
Really looking forward to studio version and a further developed / enhanced live version in the future.
Bono need not worry 'if any song would reappear'.  Think he's answered his own fears on this one, one of the best songs since HTDAAB.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MadRob360 on July 12, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
It was beautiful to witness and hear on saturday. One of Their best in recent times imo
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 13, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
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It was beautiful to witness and hear on saturday. One of Their best in recent times imo

It was brilliant, loved singing along to it. The whole gig went in such a flash, I'm getting withdrawal and want to go again! More UK shows please!



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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on July 13, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
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It was beautiful to witness and hear on saturday. One of Their best in recent times imo

It was brilliant, loved singing along to it. The whole gig went in such a flash, I'm getting withdrawal and want to go again! More UK shows please!

Oh good eddy - there were at least 2 of us singing along to it! Everyone around me didn't know the song/word.  More UK shows please (although feel slightly spoiled, given recent touring history, to have seen them twice in less than 21 months).



Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 13, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
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It was beautiful to witness and hear on saturday. One of Their best in recent times imo

It was brilliant, loved singing along to it. The whole gig went in such a flash, I'm getting withdrawal and want to go again! More UK shows please!

Oh good eddy - there were at least 2 of us singing along to it! Everyone around me didn't know the song/word.  More UK shows please (although feel slightly spoiled, given recent touring history, to have seen them twice in less than 21 months).


They should play Wembley and Manchester


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 13, 2017, 03:46:10 PM
London has had enough shows - all the I&E and both JT.

Scotland, Cardiff and Manchester would be a much better plan
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: MadRob360 on July 14, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
I was singing along too so at least 3 of us hehe. Def could do with more UK dates, i don't mind travelling to see the band but im in the north and so would be nice to go to a show and back home same day! Sheffield on 360 was brilliant!
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Allhorizonbomb on July 15, 2017, 08:25:16 PM
I'm going to be in the minority and say that the beginning half is way better the the second half which sounds jumbled and anti climatic. I feel bono needs to back off at the end as he over shadows the guitar. That being said as the tour has prgesssed they've seemed to be fixing those problems.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: andrewau2 on July 17, 2017, 04:27:05 PM
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I'm going to be in the minority and say that the beginning half is way better the the second half which sounds jumbled and anti climatic. I feel bono needs to back off at the end as he over shadows the guitar. That being said as the tour has prgesssed they've seemed to be fixing those problems.

Yeah, you can see in the live versions that he keeps wanting to sing "Sometimes" over Edge's solo.  Ultimately, this feels like two different songs sewn together.  The first half is "The Little Things" and the second half is "Sometimes..." While I like that the music tries to be more rocking at the end, I'm not thrilled about the word "sometimes" - it's weak and way too repetitive.

If Bono sang the verses an octave lower instead of pushing/trying too hard, it'd sound better too.

I do like the imagery in the second half about the four in the morning about the darkness and about how the end is not coming, the end is here. 

I also like how in the live version they are physically spread out at first on stage and then come together at the end.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on July 18, 2017, 04:22:12 PM
Its the extended climax that gives the shivers here. The waves of edges solo going on longer than usual and Bonos desperate 'sometimes' make it one of the best endings to a U2 song ever.
I hope they dont touch the second half (unless they extend it even further)
The first half needs a bit of work
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: monopoly on July 18, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
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Its the extended climax that gives the shivers here. The waves of edges solo going on longer than usual and Bonos desperate 'sometimes' make it one of the best endings to a U2 song ever.
I hope they dont touch the second half (unless they extend it even further)
The first half needs a bit of work

On the studio version, I hope bono doesn't stretch his vocals too much on the first half. I think if he sings quieter, it will be perfect. Live he's using too much of his voice during the first half.
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Post by: Jono on July 18, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FiwiCcP5e8
GREAT job tonight U2, you all sound fantastic!
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Post by: bass slap on July 19, 2017, 06:27:33 PM
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Its the extended climax that gives the shivers here. The waves of edges solo going on longer than usual and Bonos desperate 'sometimes' make it one of the best endings to a U2 song ever.
I hope they dont touch the second half (unless they extend it even further)
The first half needs a bit of work

On the studio version, I hope bono doesn't stretch his vocals too much on the first half. I think if he sings quieter, it will be perfect. Live he's using too much of his voice during the first half.

Yes, always thought the delivery had too much urgency in the first half, almost reminiscent of the live version of every breaking wave, which I'm not a fan of.
A more chilled lounge approach, in a lower register may work a treat on record.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: georgemccauley on July 20, 2017, 01:51:38 PM
Loving the Kimmel performance more and more, the Vancouver IEM version is also pretty tight. This is a tune which I can't seem to leave alone, Just loving the swirling vocal melodies from Bono and the crescendo the song ends up coming to. Really want to hear the studio version, hope it's the first single from SOE
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on July 20, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
didn't want to start a topic, but what is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mke_urIkCSY
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on July 20, 2017, 04:28:36 PM
older song audio with the little things performance?
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Post by: monopoly on July 20, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
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didn't want to start a topic, but what is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mke_urIkCSY

Unreleased song from ATYCLB tour. They performed it once or twice live on that tour. Didn't make Dismantle or any other album after.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFK704DLDY
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on July 20, 2017, 06:03:32 PM
Got it, thanks Monopoly~
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on July 20, 2017, 09:36:42 PM
Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 20, 2017, 11:20:42 PM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


Na its truly madly deeply, savage garden


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Kmama07 on July 21, 2017, 04:53:50 AM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Tim Wallach on July 21, 2017, 07:30:43 AM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


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Aaaaaaand... now it's ruined forever for me.  ;)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 21, 2017, 07:31:45 AM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


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Aaaaaaand... now it's ruined forever for me.  ;)

Haha! You can't not hear it now!


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Tim Wallach on July 21, 2017, 07:34:01 AM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


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Aaaaaaand... now it's ruined forever for me.  ;)

Haha! You can't not hear it now!


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Definitely. I never thought I'd long for the Titanic theme song, but you made me do that.
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Post by: eddyjedi on July 21, 2017, 07:34:59 AM
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Still think beginning piano bits sound like Titanic theme song chords...


Na its truly madly deeply, savage garden


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Aaaaaaand... now it's ruined forever for me.  ;)

Haha! You can't not hear it now!


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Definitely. I never thought I'd long for the Titanic theme song, but you made me do that.

Hahaha.


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Jono on July 25, 2017, 06:16:45 PM
Bono again last night confirmed that it is the last song on SOE...

2 wows:
Wow, the end is here (possibly)
Wow, if that is the last song, just imagine songs 1-5!

Perhaps the end is here as far as new songs, and aside for SOA (if that is real) the well is dry...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 25, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
I think you're reading way too much into the lyric.
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Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 25, 2017, 07:27:10 PM
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I think you're reading way too much into the lyric.
I agree. Would Bono really flat out use "The end is here" to conclude U2's final album? I doubt that he would be so pretentious.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: eddyjedi on July 26, 2017, 02:04:54 AM
He's just saying its coming it's not the end yet


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Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: an tha on July 26, 2017, 03:28:26 AM
Did Bono go and live in a hole when he sang about living like a mole?

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Post by: riffraff on July 26, 2017, 05:17:47 AM
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Did Bono go and live in a hole when he sang about living like a mole?
It's the little moles that give you away.
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Post by: an tha on July 26, 2017, 06:24:47 AM
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Did Bono go and live in a hole when he sang about living like a mole?
It's the little moles that give you away.

 :)
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: mc on July 26, 2017, 07:32:53 AM
I still think the album will be called SOE, but the last few songs will be labelled as (SOA)
Kind of a double album feel and last album...
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: 73October on July 26, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
Nope.  Willie says there is another separate album to come sometime after 2018.  He should know because he probably planning all his work forward (I'm sure he still does stuff other than U2).
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Bono in love with himself on August 20, 2017, 11:16:14 PM
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I'm going to be in the minority and say that the beginning half is way better the the second half which sounds jumbled and anti climatic. I feel bono needs to back off at the end as he over shadows the guitar. That being said as the tour has prgesssed they've seemed to be fixing those problems.

Yes, this is the problem now for U2.

Bono cant just shut up and let the rest of the band play.

I always thought of u2 as a great band with an average singer.

Bono and his ego think it is the exact opposite.

Bono, Shut Up and let the other boys just play some music.
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Bono in love with himself on August 20, 2017, 11:20:50 PM
This is the best rendition of this song going around at the moment from Kimmel

U2 back in form.

One great piece of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNOiz1aZMo

"The Little Things That Give You Away" 
The night gave you song
 A light had been turned on
 You walked out in the world
 Like you belong there

 As easy as a breeze
 Each heart was yours to please
 Is it only me who sees
 Thereís something wrong there

 Oh no la la, Iím not a ghost now
 I can see you
 You need to see me

 Itís the little things that give you away
 The words you cannot say
 Your big mouth in the way
 Itís the little things that tease and betray
 As the hunted I become the prey
 Itís the little things
 The little things that give you away

 I saw you on the stairs
 You didnít notice I was there
 Thatís Ďcause you were talking at me
 Not to me

 You were high above the storm
 A hurricane being born
 But this freedom
 It might cost you your liberty

 Itís the little things that give you away
 The words you cannot say
 Your big mouth in the way
 Itís the little things that tease and betray
 As the hunted I become the prey
 Itís the little things
 The little things that give you away

 Sometimes
 I canít believe my existence
 See myself from a distance
 I canít get back inside
 Sometimes
 The air is so anxious
 All my thoughts are so reckless
 And all of my innocence has died
 Sometimes
 I wake at four in the morning
 When all the darkness is swarming
 And it covers me in fear
 Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
 Full of anger and grieving
 So far away from believing
 That any song will reappear
 Sometimes
 The end is not coming
 Itís not coming
 The end is here
 Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes
 Sometimes, sometimes
 When the painted glass shatters
 And youíre the only thing that matters
 But I canít see you through the fears
 Sometimes
 The end isnít coming
 Itís not coming
 The end is here
 Sometimes
Title: Re: The little things that give you away
Post by: Bono in love with himself on August 20, 2017, 11:25:10 PM
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Did Bono go and live in a hole when he sang about living like a mole?
It's the little moles that give you away.

No but he did live the next two years of his life underground in a burrow.