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Title: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on May 25, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
There were too many to catch all of the names, but who did you see? Who were you proud to see, who did you think was missing?

I never saw Aung San Suu Kyi... that would be a glaring oversight... did someone else see her? Another great addition would have been Teresa of Calcutta considering Bono's advocation for poverty.

I was proud to see Malala as well as our fabulous Texas ladies at the end (even though it felt a bit like they Googled Texas women and cut and pasted it at the end).
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: So Cruel on May 25, 2017, 09:08:55 PM
That's just one of the problems with this version of Ultra Violet. When you're at the show your paying more attention to who's on the screen then the actual song. The images are supposed to support the music, not dominate it.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: MASTER YODA on May 26, 2017, 12:48:59 AM
I hated this part of the show
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 26, 2017, 07:06:54 AM
Who were the famous Texan women? Ann Richards?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 26, 2017, 07:22:33 AM
We need more men that cherish women.  I used to think thank God the world is so different and women have a place in it now, but I began to realize it's still an uphill battle even today in 2017! Glad U2 has this in there show, as a teen their music was empowering. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: cocamojoe on May 26, 2017, 08:26:15 AM
They need to remove Lena Dunham from the list. Also, I hate cheesy slogans like "herstory". It's about as dumb, to me, as feminists trying to add "womyn" to the modern parlance 50 years ago.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on May 26, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
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We need more men that cherish women.  I used to think thank God the world is so different and women have a place in it now, but I began to realize it's still an uphill battle even today in 2017! Glad U2 has this in there show, as a teen their music was empowering.

Well said.  Glad both you and CherryYouDanceWithMe liked this part of the show - I think it looks great on youtube and look forward to seeing this part of the show in London.  Ultraviolet is a favourite song and the video looks pretty inspiring to me.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: weinerdog on May 26, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
They are changing who is on the screen a bit too. For Seattle, Melinda Gates was in there, which made sense because she was of course in the audience. Got a nice roar from the crowd.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: AchtungPop on May 26, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
I love the tribute to women! But I do think having individuals that are too recent can make it feel like "While where was so and so...?" Like why is Lena Dunham there, but not say... Amy Schumer or Jennifer Aniston or the late Joan Rivers or whoever. Unless it rotates on a nightly basis. Maybe someone in their circle met Dunham though and struck up a friendship.

It'd be cool if they grouped them together more based on what they're known for... like Michelle Obama at the same time as Laura Bush & Condi Rice.

Although I personally like seeing the women who are lesser known and don't get as much credit, the women from the past and the groups. At least they do include lesser known ones though.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Mr. Sarajevo 20 on May 26, 2017, 02:23:06 PM
I may flip the bird to a few of them...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on May 26, 2017, 03:59:10 PM
I've watched live performances of this. Seems fine as a concept, but I think it potentially can overwhelm the actual song. Also, keep it names of women that were important to history in some way, like Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, Aung San Suu Kyi, Marie Curie, etc.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: ultravioletlight on May 26, 2017, 11:10:51 PM
I still can not get over Lena Dunham... LENA DUNHAM being a part of a U2 show. So disgusted.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on May 27, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
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I still can not get over Lena Dunham... LENA DUNHAM being a part of a U2 show. So disgusted.
Agreed.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 27, 2017, 07:53:43 AM
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We need more men that cherish women.  I used to think thank God the world is so different and women have a place in it now, but I began to realize it's still an uphill battle even today in 2017! Glad U2 has this in there show, as a teen their music was empowering. 

That 'struggle' argument is just a way to get up on top of social ladders. Men die more in workplaces, commit more suicide amongst other glaring facts. Most feminists are selective about their social observations. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 27, 2017, 07:55:36 AM
I will admit though, parlaying victim status into social opportunity is a brilliant move. Most men suffer in silence instead of constantly yapping.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on May 27, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
To make society work, many roles have to be filled. This skews the statistics. For example, the statistics on pay equality are inherently skewed because women are more likely to take lower paying jobs that offer perks that aren't measured, like time off (to care for children, etc). I can tell you that there are highly educated, brilliant women working part time jobs in retail and other fields so they can make other parts of their life balance.

I have never identified as a "feminist" by today's standards because there are so many more layers to real life than can be measured by political polls or statistics. But at the the same time, I know that the "femenists" who came before me made my world views and my lifestyle possible. Like Roxcy Bolton, who recently passed away.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: So Cruel on May 27, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
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I will admit though, parlaying victim status into social opportunity is a brilliant move. Most men suffer in silence instead of constantly yapping.

Haha, I've said the same thing to my wife! (The men suffer in silence line)
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 27, 2017, 11:13:08 AM
All men have to offer is provisions, women trade through legal and illegal means sex offerings. Either through birth possibilities or for pleasure. Saying men make more in the workforce is like saying women give birth to all of the children.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: riffraff on May 27, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
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All men have to offer is provisions, women trade through legal and illegal means sex offerings. Either through birth possibilities or for pleasure. Saying men make more in the workforce is like saying women give birth to all of the children.
pffffffffffftttttttttttt...stop making me laugh!
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: cocamojoe on May 27, 2017, 02:07:50 PM
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To make society work, many roles have to be filled. This skews the statistics. For example, the statistics on pay equality are inherently skewed because women are more likely to take lower paying jobs that offer perks that aren't measured, like time off (to care for children, etc). I can tell you that there are highly educated, brilliant women working part time jobs in retail and other fields so they can make other parts of their life balance.

I have never identified as a "feminist" by today's standards because there are so many more layers to real life than can be measured by political polls or statistics. But at the the same time, I know that the "femenists" who came before me made my world views and my lifestyle possible. Like Roxcy Bolton, who recently passed away.
While all of your points are both fine and finely made, it bears worth pointing out that the "pay disparity" is, unequivocally, largely a myth. In truth, there is no systemic ploy where employers say, "Wellllll, you're wholly qualified, but because you have a vagina, we're going to automatically pay you 25% less", as the oft government quoted statistic generally says. That stat was arrived at by averaging the pay of all women, and of all men, and then comparing them. The problem with an equation like this, is that it leaves out such important variables like: what is the actual job being performed? (naturally, some jobs will pay more than others); how many hours are being worked? (on average, men work as many as 10 hours more per week than do women); what are the qualifications that one has going into the particular job? (I have a friend who's the marketing manager of a company, yet he has never finished college..... he is working on that now, knowing that that extra qualification will help to boost his pay in his company); how well does on bargain for a higher pay rate in the interview process? (it is generally believed that men are better at this than women, though I don't know if there is much in the way of actual research to support the hypothesis).

Once the above factors, and others, considered in the equation, the "pay disparity" all but disappears. The most that turns up (and, only in some studies) is a 3-cent pay difference (i.e., it falls within the "margin of error"). In fact, in many instances, women with the same qualifications, who work the same hours and jobs as do men are many times paid MORE than the men. Google it. All of this is readily available information.

Methinks that the government and many politicians like to trumpet this lie during election season, to try and gin up votes amongst women, in the hopes of getting them to vote how they see fit.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 27, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 27, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
I love Ultraviolet.   And I love spotlighting intelligent, influential women.

I just dont love these things TOGETHER.  It just doesn't work paired with Ultraviolet. 
In my opinion, of course.

Ultraviolet is a personal song.  Not an "issue" song.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 27, 2017, 10:31:07 PM
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I love Ultraviolet.   And I love spotlighting intelligent, influential women.

I just dont love these things TOGETHER.  It just doesn't work paired with Ultraviolet. 
In my opinion, of course.

Ultraviolet is a personal song.  Not an "issue" song.
it's about a strong woman," your love was a light bulb hanging over my bed, baby baby baby light my way".
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 06:08:17 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 06:19:51 AM
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I love Ultraviolet.   And I love spotlighting intelligent, influential women.

I just dont love these things TOGETHER.  It just doesn't work paired with Ultraviolet. 
In my opinion, of course.

Ultraviolet is a personal song.  Not an "issue" song.
it's about a strong woman," your love was a light bulb hanging over my bed, baby baby baby light my way".

No, its a song about light bulbs that have endurance and that last.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: garyu2 on May 28, 2017, 06:42:38 AM
I'm starting to think U2 thought Ghostbusters 2016 was a good movie.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 28, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
"I remember
When we could sleep on stones
Now we lie together
In whispers and moans"

Yes!  These lyrics are totally about Oprah Winfrey, Rosa Parks, Ellen DeGeneres, and the "Match Girls Strike of 1888".   
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Kmama07 on May 28, 2017, 06:51:29 AM
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All men have to offer is provisions, women trade through legal and illegal means sex offerings. Either through birth possibilities or for pleasure. Saying men make more in the workforce is like saying women give birth to all of the children.
I think both women AND men have much more to offer than all of this ^^^
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 06:54:21 AM
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I'm starting to think U2 thought Ghostbusters 2016 was a good movie.

It doesn't matter if its good or not. We all have to pretend its good.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 06:55:11 AM
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All men have to offer is provisions, women trade through legal and illegal means sex offerings. Either through birth possibilities or for pleasure. Saying men make more in the workforce is like saying women give birth to all of the children.
I think both women AND men have much more to offer than all of this ^^^

Thats true. But at its base level that is much of the exchange between the sexes.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 28, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
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I'm starting to think U2 thought Ghostbusters 2016 was a good movie.

It doesn't matter if its good or not. We all have to pretend its good.

There's opinions and there's facts.  The FACT is Ghostbusters 2016 was awful.  But its awfulness had nothing to do with gender.  It was just a bad movie.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: lightmyway92 on May 28, 2017, 07:17:08 AM
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I love Ultraviolet.   And I love spotlighting intelligent, influential women.

I just dont love these things TOGETHER.  It just doesn't work paired with Ultraviolet. 
In my opinion, of course.

Ultraviolet is a personal song.  Not an "issue" song.
Absolutely.  This needs to be read, and then read again as many times as is necessary to understand it.  "Ultraviolet" is too great a song to have something else attached to it in a live performance, even a worthy issue like this.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on May 28, 2017, 07:35:00 AM
So why do you think they chose to present the song this way? For some reason, I felt like Bono was trying to jam every one of his causes into one concert. I don't think the "herstory" theme fit with any of the rest of the concert, but for some reason he wanted to make this feminist statement.

I think he chose to do it during Ultraviolet simply because of the line "baby, baby, baby, light my way."

I think the best performance of the song will always be 360 with Bono swinging on the microphone.  8) It will always live in my heart this way.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 28, 2017, 07:36:39 AM
Next tour will feature Zoo Station with visuals about the rising sea levels.

Also look forward to Sweetest Thing with its powerful anti-ISIS message.

Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: lightmyway92 on May 28, 2017, 07:57:22 AM
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So why do you think they chose to present the song this way? For some reason, I felt like Bono was trying to jam every one of his causes into one concert. I don't think the "herstory" theme fit with any of the rest of the concert, but for some reason he wanted to make this feminist statement.

I think he chose to do it during Ultraviolet simply because of the line "baby, baby, baby, light my way."

I think the best performance of the song will always be 360 with Bono swinging on the microphone.  8) It will always live in my heart this way.
My guess is that they mean that these women are (or were) "lighting the way" for women's rights.  Again, though, it's not what the song was originally about.  The lyrics are fairly vague, but I'm pretty sure the cause of women's equality (though worthy) has nothing to do with their meaning.  But, it's their song, not mine, right?  At least they're playing it.  It's obviously an amazing song!
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 28, 2017, 08:27:47 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: riffraff on May 28, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
Well, we are "just women" in some men's eyes...sad. I think I'll just ignore them...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 28, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
Well, we are "just women" in some men's eyes...sad. I think I'll just ignore them...
U2 has our back all that matters!
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: CherryYouDanceWithMe on May 28, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
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Next tour will feature Zoo Station with visuals about the rising sea levels.

Also look forward to Sweetest Thing with its powerful anti-ISIS message.

You know we got a stormy kind of love....  :D
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 28, 2017, 09:02:10 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
Well, we are "just women" in some men's eyes...sad. I think I'll just ignore them...
U2 has our back all that matters!

You ladies have a new Wonder Woman movie... isn't that ENOUGH?!!

(I kid... I kid...)
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 09:02:36 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really

Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.   
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: rlj1010 on May 28, 2017, 09:08:01 AM
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Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.   

Come on... that is totally untrue.  Women don't get the same breaks that men do.  Things have gotten better, yes, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

And I'm male.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 28, 2017, 09:08:55 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really

Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.
Right thanks for setting us straight, what would we do without your wisdom
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on May 28, 2017, 02:06:17 PM
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Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.   

Come on... that is totally untrue.  Women don't get the same breaks that men do.  Things have gotten better, yes, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

And I'm male.

I'm male too, and I agree that there's room for improvement.  I think at a global level the  facts support the One Campaign message that "poverty is sexist": https://www.one.org/us/take-action/poverty-is-sexist/  Even in the USA there is a gender pay gap which is even greater for ethnic minority women: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/datablog/2017/apr/04/equal-pay-day-us-wage-gap-gender-race-ethnicity 

I am personally glad U2 are feeling motivated to celebrate women through Ultraviolet, rather than just going through the motions and performing it with the same video backing they used 25 years ago.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 04:53:56 PM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really

Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.
+1
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 04:58:55 PM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
It's the bizarre and unfitting pairing of this song and message that people are upset about.

It baffles me as to how the discussion even shifted to this in the first place...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Kmama07 on May 28, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
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Believe or not, but the white men of America don't have a natural anti-women bias

So all other American men have a "natural anti-women bias" ?  And white men of other countries? Where do they stand?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 05:09:53 PM
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Believe or not, but the white men of America don't have a natural anti-women bias

So all other American men have a "natural anti-women bias" ?  And white men of other countries? Where do they stand?
It was a needless detail... believe me, I wouldn't try to start a race war on this forum, of all places.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: cocamojoe on May 28, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
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Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.   

Come on... that is totally untrue.  Women don't get the same breaks that men do.  Things have gotten better, yes, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

And I'm male.

I'm male too, and I agree that there's room for improvement.  I think at a global level the  facts support the One Campaign message that "poverty is sexist": https://www.one.org/us/take-action/poverty-is-sexist/  Even in the USA there is a gender pay gap which is even greater for ethnic minority women: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/datablog/2017/apr/04/equal-pay-day-us-wage-gap-gender-race-ethnicity 

I am personally glad U2 are feeling motivated to celebrate women through Ultraviolet, rather than just going through the motions and performing it with the same video backing they used 25 years ago.
Actually, by and large, the gender pay gap is a farce, as I explained in full detail further of this thread. Also, poverty is not sexist; it effects both men and women, and, if I am not mistaken, there is a far higher homeless population amongst men than women.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 06:25:21 PM
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Actually, women's exposure in media, news, Education and politics and sport is equal. The 'glass ceiling' mentality is just a crass political move to get more social standing. Portraying yourselves as victims and trading upon men's good will to women is what its all about.   

Come on... that is totally untrue.  Women don't get the same breaks that men do.  Things have gotten better, yes, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

And I'm male.

I'm male too, and I agree that there's room for improvement.  I think at a global level the  facts support the One Campaign message that "poverty is sexist": https://www.one.org/us/take-action/poverty-is-sexist/  Even in the USA there is a gender pay gap which is even greater for ethnic minority women: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/datablog/2017/apr/04/equal-pay-day-us-wage-gap-gender-race-ethnicity 

I am personally glad U2 are feeling motivated to celebrate women through Ultraviolet, rather than just going through the motions and performing it with the same video backing they used 25 years ago.
Actually, by and large, the gender pay gap is a farce, as I explained in full detail further of this thread. Also, poverty is not sexist; it effects both men and women, and, if I am not mistaken, there is a far higher homeless population amongst men than women.

Silly, homeless men don't count, they're not people. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on May 28, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
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Believe or not, but the white men of America don't have a natural anti-women bias

So all other American men have a "natural anti-women bias" ?  And white men of other countries? Where do they stand?
It was a needless detail... believe me, I wouldn't try to start a race war on this forum, of all places.

If it was a needless detail I'd advise you to remove the word "white" from your post, otherwise it appears that you are the one bringing race into this, by inferring that it's only white American men who "don't have a natural anti-women bias". 

As for the argument that the gender pay gap is a farce I suggest people read the research, summarised in the 1,000 word article I linked to (it uses different sources and acknowledges the complexity of the issue), before making any conclusions.

I am surprised that so many people here are annoyed that U2 have chosen this particular song to make a tribute to women.  They're free artists and entitled to interpret and present their material in any way they see fit; we are not more "right" about the meaning of Ultraviolet than the artists who wrote the song.  Songs can, and do, have multiple meanings and we should be comfortable with that.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Quote
If it was a needless detail I'd advise you to remove the word "white" from your post, otherwise it appears that you are the one bringing race into this, by inferring that it's only white American men who "don't have a natural anti-women bias".

You're right, I'll remove it now... I'm just starting to see shades of the election and its putting me into that frame of mind...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 28, 2017, 07:20:23 PM
I love how if you show love towards women it really means your putting down men.  Because how could something just be about celbrating smart women.  And since there are homeless men and women who make more than men it means there is zero issue.

And I mean how dare a rock band make the statement they want to with their own music.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 08:10:42 PM
The reason I find the UV segment not the highlight of the show is that feminists voices are done in my mind. We have been listening to women's voices for 50 years through all communication outlets. And as for U2 maybe they should ditch the screen and put up a mirror. That way the women in the audience can look at the themselves and U2 can run to the bank after the show. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
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They need to remove Lena Dunham from the list. Also, I hate cheesy slogans like "herstory". It's about as dumb, to me, as feminists trying to add "womyn" to the modern parlance 50 years ago.

Here is some Lena YT commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5dJ41Isclg
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on May 28, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
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The reason I find the UV segment not the highlight of the show is that feminists voices are done in my mind. We have been listening to women's voices for 50 years through all communication outlets. And as for U2 maybe they should ditch the screen and put up a mirror. That way the women in the audience can look at the themselves and U2 can run to the bank after the show.
so how long do you imagine we have been listening to men's voices? Doesn't seem to be stoping anytime soon. 
Yeah just because U2 make money means they can't make a meaningful statement using you know their own music.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
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The reason I find the UV segment not the highlight of the show is that feminists voices are done in my mind. We have been listening to women's voices for 50 years through all communication outlets. And as for U2 maybe they should ditch the screen and put up a mirror. That way the women in the audience can look at the themselves and U2 can run to the bank after the show.
so how long do you imagine we have been listening to men's voices? Doesn't seem to be stoping anytime soon. 
Yeah just because U2 make money means they can't make a meaningful statement using you know their own music.

Its a question about pandering to their audience. Anyone can sell a child a bag of magic beans. Whether it is ethical or not is another story.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miami on May 28, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
Btw, the op mentioned the glaring oversight/omission of aung si kyu ki from Burma, the famous woman who was under house arrest for so many years, and for whom u2 wrote'walk on'. I read recently that she hasn't been much better as leader after her release than the previous administration, and her human rights record has now also been called into question.

Maybe her omission wasn't an oversight after all.



Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 28, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
    Maybe there's no "taking sides" aspect to this song at all.  Bono just wanted to celebrate women, and as the artist who created the song he can do so however he may chose. No need to start a gender war over Bono celebrating something positive with his song.
    There's a lot of work that needs to be done before women are equal, not judged primarily by their looks, etc.  That being said, it is true that middle aged men and adolescent males in particular are suffering some real difficulties.  There is a huge increase in "deaths of despair" (suicides, drug overdoses, alcohol-related deaths) among white, middle-aged men.
   Let's cut each other a break and replace cynicism with understanding and an open mind.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on May 28, 2017, 09:14:44 PM
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    Maybe there's no "taking sides" aspect to this song at all.  Bono just wanted to celebrate women, and as the artist who created the song he can do so however he may chose. No need to start a gender war over Bono celebrating something positive with his song.
    There's a lot of work that needs to be done before women are equal, not judged primarily by their looks, etc.  That being said, it is true that middle aged men and adolescent males in particular are suffering some real difficulties.  There is a huge increase in "deaths of despair" (suicides, drug overdoses, alcohol-related deaths) among white, middle-aged men.
   Let's cut each other a break and replace cynicism with understanding and an open mind.

Agreed.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 28, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
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    Maybe there's no "taking sides" aspect to this song at all.  Bono just wanted to celebrate women, and as the artist who created the song he can do so however he may chose. No need to start a gender war over Bono celebrating something positive with his song.
    There's a lot of work that needs to be done before women are equal, not judged primarily by their looks, etc.  That being said, it is true that middle aged men and adolescent males in particular are suffering some real difficulties.  There is a huge increase in "deaths of despair" (suicides, drug overdoses, alcohol-related deaths) among white, middle-aged men.
   Let's cut each other a break and replace cynicism with understanding and an open mind.
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: ultravioletlight on June 04, 2017, 06:01:34 AM
Went to Chicago 1 and Lena Dunham remains a part of a U2 show...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Volcanogirl on June 04, 2017, 06:46:03 AM
I have worked for a company that indeed payed women less.
Good to see U2 are saying things can be different.
Most problems in the world don't change because it's
easy not do do so.

 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: U2Fan on June 04, 2017, 09:27:09 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
It's the bizarre and unfitting pairing of this song and message that people are upset about.

It baffles me as to how the discussion even shifted to this in the first place...

Yes, UV is about God lighting your way. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: trevgreg on June 04, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
I still enjoyed the song a lot on this performance. Seeing Bono sing one of my favorite tunes by the band a few feet from me didn't exactly hurt that perspective either. Noticed Michelle Obama's face got a huge ovation from the Chicago crowd, unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: MissRose on June 05, 2017, 04:51:41 AM
I liked that part of the show, it was a very nice tribute, and there are so many famous women that could have been chosen.  I am glad Bono started off talking about the women who aren't famous before going into the song live with the pictures of those chosen.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: 73October on June 05, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
They should take out Lena Dunham and replace with the 'Dagenham Girls of 1968' who were sewing machinists at Ford's UK plants.  They went on strike over equal pay. 
It led to a change in the pay laws in the UK some 2 years later and an equal pay act was brought in (it's still not good enough but is a start.  It's not good enough as women still end up earning less by default because gender stereotypes mean that they end up working in lower paid roles than men such as professional carers (go to a care home in the UK and there are more women than men working there - the hours spend on the job can be erratic or irregular) or factory admin rather than factory production, which often pays more - probably because the skills are more specific and the health & safety risks are greater?).
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 05, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
It's the bizarre and unfitting pairing of this song and message that people are upset about.

It baffles me as to how the discussion even shifted to this in the first place...

Yes, UV is about God lighting your way. 

Far be it from me to wade into these waters, but while I appreciate that a lot of their songs can be interpreted as dealing with God, and mean something different to each of us, I've never thought of UV as one of those--at least not directly.  It very much evokes a troubled relationship with a woman, to me: lying together in "whispers and moans", the repeated "baby baby baby" sounds much more about a personal relationship than a spiritual one.

I love the song, but the current version did little for me.  I get that the original intent of the song, as I interpreted it, could work as a feminist anthem, but it always seemed much more despairing than uplifting.  360's version seemed better.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: lightmyway92 on June 05, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
It's the bizarre and unfitting pairing of this song and message that people are upset about.

It baffles me as to how the discussion even shifted to this in the first place...

Yes, UV is about God lighting your way. 

Far be it from me to wade into these waters, but while I appreciate that a lot of their songs can be interpreted as dealing with God, and mean something different to each of us, I've never thought of UV as one of those--at least not directly.  It very much evokes a troubled relationship with a woman, to me: lying together in "whispers and moans", the repeated "baby baby baby" sounds much more about a personal relationship than a spiritual one.

I love the song, but the current version did little for me.  I get that the original intent of the song, as I interpreted it, could work as a feminist anthem, but it always seemed much more despairing than uplifting.  360's version seemed better.
From a lyrical standpoint, "Ultraviolet" is pretty despairing, but Bono's vocal delivery and Edge's guitar (especially on the "Ultraviolet Light..." chorus) change it to an uplifting song to me.  That's one of the many brilliant aspects of Achtung Baby.  Many of the songs sound uplifting, even when the subject matter is anything but.  This is something Pop fails to do, in my opinion.  It's despairing all-around.  I know that was off topic, but that thought just occurred to me :)
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 05, 2017, 03:40:32 PM
I've never found "Mofo", "Discoteque" and "Do You Feel Loved" to be despairing.  They seem to me to be some of the most kick-a** songs in the catalog.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: riffraff on June 05, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
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I've never found "Mofo", "Discoteque" and "Do You Feel Loved" to be despairing.  They seem to me to be some of the most kick-a** songs in the catalog.
oh, they ARE kick-a** songs, but the lyric ARE desperate. so very desperate! maybe I read too much into lyric...
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 05, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
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I've never found "Mofo", "Discoteque" and "Do You Feel Loved" to be despairing.  They seem to me to be some of the most kick-a** songs in the catalog.
oh, they ARE kick-a** songs, but the lyric ARE desperate. so very desperate! maybe I read too much into lyric...

No, I tend to agree with you. Discotheque is fairly upbeat, but after that it turns dark pretty quickly. Despite the overall theme of AB, there are a lot of upbeat moments: Zoo Station, EBTTRT, Mysterious Ways, TTTYAATW, etc. Even the Fly is pretty upbeat.


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Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on June 05, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
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I've never found "Mofo", "Discoteque" and "Do You Feel Loved" to be despairing.  They seem to me to be some of the most kick-a** songs in the catalog.
oh, they ARE kick-a** songs, but the lyric ARE desperate. so very desperate! maybe I read too much into lyric...

No, I tend to agree with you. Discotheque is fairly upbeat, but after that it turns dark pretty quickly. Despite the overall theme of AB, there are a lot of upbeat moments: Zoo Station, EBTTRT, Mysterious Ways, TTTYAATW, etc. Even the Fly is pretty upbeat.


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I agree too.  Pop is the bleakest album.  The second most bleak is October, but on that faith and youthful catharsis pull them through to the upbeat "Is that all" finale.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: ZEROpartII on June 05, 2017, 04:16:59 PM
Replace Lena Dunham with Ed Harris (in his Rock . . . Gen. Hummel outfit)
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: riffraff on June 05, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
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I've never found "Mofo", "Discoteque" and "Do You Feel Loved" to be despairing.  They seem to me to be some of the most kick-a** songs in the catalog.
oh, they ARE kick-a** songs, but the lyric ARE desperate. so very desperate! maybe I read too much into lyric...

No, I tend to agree with you. Discotheque is fairly upbeat, but after that it turns dark pretty quickly. Despite the overall theme of AB, there are a lot of upbeat moments: Zoo Station, EBTTRT, Mysterious Ways, TTTYAATW, etc. Even the Fly is pretty upbeat.


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I agree too.  Pop is the bleakest album.  The second most bleak is October, but on that faith and youthful catharsis pull them through to the upbeat "Is that all" finale.
Discotheque: "you take what you can get, because it's all that you can find"...so bleak! And, who in all honesty can say that they haven't felt this way at some point in their life? But, still,
that BOOM CHA turns me inside out!
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: U2Fan on June 05, 2017, 05:39:17 PM
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Lol so much mansplaining going on in here.  Thank God all I needed was a man to tell me why it's just not hard to be a woman at all.

I suppose you are just not into hearing other perspectives.
and I suppose some here are actually pi**ed that U2 would choose to honor women.  Unbelievable really
It's the bizarre and unfitting pairing of this song and message that people are upset about.

It baffles me as to how the discussion even shifted to this in the first place...

Yes, UV is about God lighting your way. 

Far be it from me to wade into these waters, but while I appreciate that a lot of their songs can be interpreted as dealing with God, and mean something different to each of us, I've never thought of UV as one of those--at least not directly.  It very much evokes a troubled relationship with a woman, to me: lying together in "whispers and moans", the repeated "baby baby baby" sounds much more about a personal relationship than a spiritual one.

I love the song, but the current version did little for me.  I get that the original intent of the song, as I interpreted it, could work as a feminist anthem, but it always seemed much more despairing than uplifting.  360's version seemed better.
From a lyrical standpoint, "Ultraviolet" is pretty despairing, but Bono's vocal delivery and Edge's guitar (especially on the "Ultraviolet Light..." chorus) change it to an uplifting song to me.  That's one of the many brilliant aspects of Achtung Baby.  Many of the songs sound uplifting, even when the subject matter is anything but.  This is something Pop fails to do, in my opinion.  It's despairing all-around.  I know that was off topic, but that thought just occurred to me :)

Check out the Wiki page on Ultraviolet...Book of Job references. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: beau99 on June 26, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
Replace Lena Dunham with one of my favorite trans women, such as Laura Jane Grace, Laverne Cox or Chelsea Manning. I'd be very satisfied with a change like that.

Then again I'm trans so I'm really biased.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Saint1322 on June 26, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on June 26, 2017, 03:22:18 PM
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I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?
she's controversial and I wonder if all the people involved in cable TV dramas run in the same circles so maybe Bono's daughter might know her?

Also she dated Kylo Ren lol
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on June 26, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
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I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?

Because she's a woman she's gets a pedo pass.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: JTNash on June 26, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
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I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?

Because she's a woman she's gets a pedo pass.
I think what she did was gross, but not more then I'll so you mine you show me yours or a kid sneaking a look in the bath of another kid. I don't think she's a sex offender.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: ultravioletlight on June 26, 2017, 07:10:40 PM
I've figured she's probably pals with Eve, and has met Bono a few times.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 26, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
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I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?

Because she's a woman she's gets a pedo pass.
I think what she did was gross, but not more then I'll so you mine you show me yours or a kid sneaking a look in the bath of another kid. I don't think she's a sex offender.
What's that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on June 26, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
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I clicked on this thread hoping to learn something about Lena Dunham that i previously didn't know, something that would justify her place on that screen during UV. I know her as the writer of a TV show who has joked about molesting her little sister and made highly insensitive remarks (and I am pro-choice) about abortion.

Sounds like everyone here is just as confused about her place as I am?

Because she's a woman she's gets a pedo pass.
I think what she did was gross, but not more then I'll so you mine you show me yours or a kid sneaking a look in the bath of another kid. I don't think she's a sex offender.

It's impossible for a woman to be a sex offender anyway. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 26, 2017, 09:17:47 PM
I would guess that Dunham is on the screen because some view her as a strong woman (feminist). She's obviously not a slim and trim supermodel as most actresses are, but she's been unabashed about showing off her body/speaking her point of view. Do I agree with her controversial statements? Definitely not, but I understand why some would view her as a strong woman. She kind of is for not backing down from critics, even if I do find many of her statements disturbing.

I don't think it's a case of her being a friend of Eve's and getting put on the screen. I think it's more a case of her being a young, modern feminist when a lot of people on the screen aren't that young.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on June 27, 2017, 09:41:56 AM
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I would guess that Dunham is on the screen because some view her as a strong woman (feminist). She's obviously not a slim and trim supermodel as most actresses are, but she's been unabashed about showing off her body/speaking her point of view. Do I agree with her controversial statements? Definitely not, but I understand why some would view her as a strong woman. She kind of is for not backing down from critics, even if I do find many of her statements disturbing.

I don't think it's a case of her being a friend of Eve's and getting put on the screen. I think it's more a case of her being a young, modern feminist when a lot of people on the screen aren't that young.

I think your points are illuminating as to why they've decided to use Lena Dunham in the video - she is outspoken and uncompromising in her writing, facing experiences head on and in an idiosyncratic way.  She does not try and bland it all out to appeal to mainstream ideas and opinions.  I've just watched the video and there are some other young(ish) feminist writers on the it, but there are plenty of great and inspiring women from history too.  I think they played the video to Ultraviolet at your show, tiger?  I fear by the time it gets to Europe we may get Mysterious Ways instead (that song sounds more cheesy with this video than UV).
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 27, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
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I would guess that Dunham is on the screen because some view her as a strong woman (feminist). She's obviously not a slim and trim supermodel as most actresses are, but she's been unabashed about showing off her body/speaking her point of view. Do I agree with her controversial statements? Definitely not, but I understand why some would view her as a strong woman. She kind of is for not backing down from critics, even if I do find many of her statements disturbing.

I don't think it's a case of her being a friend of Eve's and getting put on the screen. I think it's more a case of her being a young, modern feminist when a lot of people on the screen aren't that young.

I think your points are illuminating as to why they've decided to use Lena Dunham in the video - she is outspoken and uncompromising in her writing, facing experiences head on and in an idiosyncratic way.  She does not try and bland it all out to appeal to mainstream ideas and opinions.  I've just watched the video and there are some other young(ish) feminist writers on the it, but there are plenty of great and inspiring women from history too.  I think they played the video to Ultraviolet at your show, tiger?  I fear by the time it gets to Europe we may get Mysterious Ways instead (that song sounds more cheesy with this video than UV).

Yeah, they played UV and the video at my show in Pittsburgh. Ironically, I've only been to 3 U2 shows and I've heard UV at 2 of them, haha. It looks like they've swapped between MW and UV at shows where they're playing consecutive nights in the same city, so hopefully they play UV in Europe. It's a great song live.

It also looks like they're trying to mix up some of the women in the video as they are taking requests for women to feature during the video in Cleveland. Specifically it seems like they want to feature inspiring women local to that area, which is really cool.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on June 27, 2017, 02:18:42 PM
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I would guess that Dunham is on the screen because some view her as a strong woman (feminist). She's obviously not a slim and trim supermodel as most actresses are, but she's been unabashed about showing off her body/speaking her point of view. Do I agree with her controversial statements? Definitely not, but I understand why some would view her as a strong woman. She kind of is for not backing down from critics, even if I do find many of her statements disturbing.

I don't think it's a case of her being a friend of Eve's and getting put on the screen. I think it's more a case of her being a young, modern feminist when a lot of people on the screen aren't that young.

I think your points are illuminating as to why they've decided to use Lena Dunham in the video - she is outspoken and uncompromising in her writing, facing experiences head on and in an idiosyncratic way.  She does not try and bland it all out to appeal to mainstream ideas and opinions.  I've just watched the video and there are some other young(ish) feminist writers on the it, but there are plenty of great and inspiring women from history too.  I think they played the video to Ultraviolet at your show, tiger?  I fear by the time it gets to Europe we may get Mysterious Ways instead (that song sounds more cheesy with this video than UV).

Yeah, they played UV and the video at my show in Pittsburgh. Ironically, I've only been to 3 U2 shows and I've heard UV at 2 of them, haha. It looks like they've swapped between MW and UV at shows where they're playing consecutive nights in the same city, so hopefully they play UV in Europe. It's a great song live.

It also looks like they're trying to mix up some of the women in the video as they are taking requests for women to feature during the video in Cleveland. Specifically it seems like they want to feature inspiring women local to that area, which is really cool.

Yeah, well I am going to the 2nd night in my city, which I expect will mean I get MW, a song I hold no great love for.  And as I've said, the video is far better suited to UV than MW  :(  With any luck the guys going night 1 will get MW and I'll get Ultraviolet  :P

Yes, great that they're featuring inspiring local women at the shows.  Glad you've managed to hear UV a good proportion of times.  Did you enjoy UV on this tour or feel as "meh" or annoyed about it as others who've posted in this thread?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on June 27, 2017, 05:28:13 PM
I've seen this tour and UV is not a personal highlight.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: u2lucy on July 03, 2017, 07:00:43 AM
Did I miss Princess Diana on the screen or was that another oversight?  I was at the Cleveland show Saturday night.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: 73October on July 03, 2017, 11:23:45 AM
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Did I miss Princess Diana on the screen or was that another oversight?  I was at the Cleveland show Saturday night.

I can't find any footage of Ultraviolet in Cleveland to check, but it would not surprise me if you were right because apparently July 1 is her Birthday.  We had news coverage over here about William & Harry being at her grave.  She would have been 56 - a very similar age to U2.

We are ramping up to the 20 years anniversary since her death over here, which will be 31 August. There is some national commemoration planned, I think.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 03, 2017, 02:48:27 PM
Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 03, 2017, 03:27:04 PM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.

Actually Western Women have never had it so good in history....ever. The bleeding reference was gender bait that Megan Kelly threw out. Sadly Trump took the bait and misogyny has been re-affirmed. How much does she make? Are we ready to look at toxic misandry?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: il_capo on July 03, 2017, 03:49:17 PM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.

I'm with you in appreciating u2's shout out to women.  From what I've been reading on this thread, female u2 fans have generally viewed the Ultraviolet video positively, but some fans - all male -  are annoyed about it and have decided to tell u2 that they don't know what their song is actually about, that they've chosen the "wrong" women to put on the screen , and to lecture Western women in general that they don't know how good they've got it. 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 03, 2017, 06:25:39 PM
Thank you for your gracious comments, Il Capo. God bless you.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 04, 2017, 01:17:43 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Volcanogirl on July 04, 2017, 03:47:26 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.

I'm with you in appreciating u2's shout out to women.  From what I've been reading on this thread, female u2 fans have generally viewed the Ultraviolet video positively, but some fans - all male -  are annoyed about it and have decided to tell u2 that they don't know what their song is actually about, that they've chosen the "wrong" women to put on the screen , and to lecture Western women in general that they don't know how good they've got it.
I think it's great that U2 are doing this with UV. And bye the way, i do not want to be pointing fingers, but western women are still not getting equally payed. I was in work council for years, this was an issue. Poverty and human rights are sometimes hard for men as well.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 04, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 04, 2017, 08:10:15 AM
I am not taking the bait but I do appreciate men who cherish and support women, like Bono, Il Capo, my husband, and many others.  I cherish men's rights as well.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 04, 2017, 09:35:31 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.

I'm with you in appreciating u2's shout out to women.  From what I've been reading on this thread, female u2 fans have generally viewed the Ultraviolet video positively, but some fans - all male -  are annoyed about it and have decided to tell u2 that they don't know what their song is actually about, that they've chosen the "wrong" women to put on the screen , and to lecture Western women in general that they don't know how good they've got it. 

I just don't understand why they are publically supporting a pedo such as Lena Dunham.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: aarond on July 04, 2017, 09:38:20 AM
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I am not taking the bait but I do appreciate men who cherish and support women, like Bono, Il Capo, my husband, and many others.  I cherish men's rights as well.

I'm a man and I thought it was a great tribute. It wasn't to honor women that everyone agree with, it was to honor women who "stood up for their rights" as Bono says introducing it. I think these women fit that description. Made me appreciate the band even more than I had previously.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Volcanogirl on July 04, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
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I am not taking the bait but I do appreciate men who cherish and support women, like Bono, Il Capo, my husband, and many others.  I cherish men's rights as well.

I'm a man and I thought it was a great tribute. It wasn't to honor women that everyone agree with, it was to honor women who "stood up for their rights" as Bono says introducing it. I think these women fit that description. Made me appreciate the band even more than I had previously.
verry nice, thanx
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 04, 2017, 10:32:19 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 04, 2017, 11:05:13 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.

Exactly, women of the first world thinking that they still are the top of the victim hierarchy is laughable.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: Volcanogirl on July 04, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.

Exactly, women of the first world thinking that they still are the top of the victim hierarchy is laughable.

I was working for a company two years ago, and in work counsel. I thought it could not be true, but the company payed women less, for the same job and same skills. So why is this to laugh at? I am not on a mission here. Do not wanna be annoying, i'm just telling ya what happened. We were a group of sensible people and wanted to adress it. It's ignored, because that's easy and cheap.
On the other hand, there are in some professions women who are more succesfull than any guy. I get that too. But these women are well trained and skilled and have good contacts.
 
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on July 04, 2017, 11:46:11 AM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.

Exactly, women of the first world thinking that they still are the top of the victim hierarchy is laughable.

I was working for a company two years ago, and in work counsel. I thought it could not be true, but the company payed women less, for the same job and same skills. So why is this to laugh at? I am not on a mission here. Do not wanna be annoying, i'm just telling ya what happened. We were a group of sensible people and wanted to adress it. It's ignored, because that's easy and cheap.
On the other hand, there are in some professions women who are more succesfull than any guy. I get that too. But these women are well trained and skilled and have good contacts.
Thing is, I doubt this kind of mistreatment is as widespread as advertised. The wage gap does not account for STEM jobs (men do hold the majority of jobs in the category), how more women choose to work part-time than men, etc.

It is ignorant to assume that it doesn't happen, but the issue is certainly not as widespread as it is made out to be.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 04, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.

Exactly, women of the first world thinking that they still are the top of the victim hierarchy is laughable.

I was working for a company two years ago, and in work counsel. I thought it could not be true, but the company payed women less, for the same job and same skills. So why is this to laugh at? I am not on a mission here. Do not wanna be annoying, i'm just telling ya what happened. We were a group of sensible people and wanted to adress it. It's ignored, because that's easy and cheap.
On the other hand, there are in some professions women who are more succesfull than any guy. I get that too. But these women are well trained and skilled and have good contacts.
Thing is, I doubt this kind of mistreatment is as widespread as advertised. The wage gap does not account for STEM jobs (men do hold the majority of jobs in the category), how more women choose to work part-time than men, etc.

It is ignorant to assume that it doesn't happen, but the issue is certainly not as widespread as it is made out to be.

If men do make more than much of the income gets passed on to dependents such as wives and kids. The wage gap doesn't account for that.
Title: Re: *spoiler* Tribute to Women during Ultraviolet
Post by: miryclay on July 04, 2017, 08:53:30 PM
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Now that women continue to be publicly attacked for their faces and their "bleeding", I appreciate U2's shout out to women more than ever.  Misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant that I can remember, so their message is appreciated by many.
Of course, I'm all for gender equality and I think that it's great U2 are supportive of it as well...but you actually believe that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant"?

Most feminists of today, 3rd wave, have nothing to fight for but just keep being activists because it's more dramatic than working like everyone else.
Exactly. This new wave of feminism has absolutely no relevance in our America today. They'll keep inventing new terms that give themselves a pass to promote inequality (like "manspreading" or "mansplaining"). It certainly doesn't help that these borderline-radicals have a refuge on the internet through blatantly ignorant liberalist-sites like Buzzfeed.

Again, before I'm attacked for having different views, I definitely consider myself to be a feminist. I do not think that there is much progression that needs to be done here in the U.S., however, so I don't associate myself with this new feminist wave. There is plenty more work to be done in other places around the world... the Middle-East as a whole, for example.

But to claim that "misogyny has never been so prevalent and blatant" is ridiculous.

Exactly, women of the first world thinking that they still are the top of the victim hierarchy is laughable.

Can you name me a single woman who has claimed that women of the first world are top of the victim hierarchy and have it worse than women in the middle east?  Otherwise this is just a bigoted and misogynistic statement because it's based on ingrained prejudice, not on any facts at all. 

You have proven that it is impossible to speak about women without being labelled a mysoginist.