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Title: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: octoberreckoning on May 30, 2017, 10:07:23 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/bono-on-joshua-tree-tour-trump-u2s-next-album-w484398
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: zoo adam on May 30, 2017, 10:19:10 AM
15 songs to get down to 12. Not exactly hard to do. Unless they are all classics 

Can't see a problem in leaving it as 15. Which is not exactly another Beatles esq 'White Album' long player. Live dangerously. 

Don't know why Edge is being blamed. The album was shelved due to TJT tour & won't be released until the tour finishes. Which was a band decision.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Jswallow on May 30, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
"The Experience & Innocence tour" so it's still happening, hope SOE is out this year, decent interview

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Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: jjcruiser on May 30, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
Bono is wise to warn us not to trust him, but I still found this very encouraging.  I was starting to think the whole thing had been shelved indefinitely.  If they have a specific cache of 15 songs, then whether it comes out this year or next isn't a big deal to me.  I assume it will be a real full album and supported by a real full tour, and that was my greatest hope.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: DPardue on May 30, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
If THE problem is, as Bono suggests, trimming 15 songs down to 12, then there should be very little work left to do. 
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: monopoly on May 30, 2017, 10:57:08 AM
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If THE problem is, as Bono suggests, trimming 15 songs down to 12, then there should be very little work left to do.

Not hard to do. Release 12 and 3 as bonus tracks. At this point, this is an album for fans . Give us as much material as possible.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: an tha on May 30, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
The odd rent a quote bono special aside that interview is in my view one of the better i have read from bono in recent times.

Comes across well.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: jrodr079 on May 30, 2017, 11:29:10 AM
Great interview, thank you for posting.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: DK46 on May 30, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
As always, I take an interview from Bono with a grain of salt, but this is promising.  From what I can tell, it sounds like he is the one who wants to be touring the new songs the most, so that's welcoming.  I also like the point about SOI sounding too polished and them going for a more raw sound this time around.  Albeit, wasn't HTDAAB suppose to be raw (and we know how that turned out), so who knows?  Still, I think a late 2017 release could be possible, so I'm cautious optimistic. 
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: gujuju on May 30, 2017, 12:21:57 PM
Can somebody please define "F--- off song"

Synonymous with big, hit song?
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: boom boom on May 30, 2017, 12:36:50 PM
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Can somebody please define "F--- off song"

Synonymous with big, hit song?
I was also wondering what that meant.
If he meant Hit song?  Although I like Little Things, I don't think it is in Hit Song Territory unless there is a different mix possibly.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: miami on May 30, 2017, 12:49:38 PM
Good interview with Bono. I like the references to the 'inverted' experience and innocence tour. Interesting to see what they'll do, as he also mentions new staging or imagery.

As for 'f**k off song, I think he means heavy and raw. The album version may be a lot heavier than what we're hearing now.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: boom boom on May 30, 2017, 12:56:16 PM
Really hope he means heavy and raw.  But then how many times before has he side the Edge was on fire and end up getting something else.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: il_capo on May 30, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
An intelligent and illuminating interview, particularly with the thinking behind the current show.  His comments help explain why the first part of the show has become shorter and thus why we've lost ASOH from the set.  I like his reflections on the importance of women to the direction of the world, and how a "feminine spirit" imbued the 60s, but then again I've never been one to like a regimented crew cut  :)  It was also good to hear him talk about meeting Omaima, and why she is seen speaking before Miss Sarajevo. 

It'll be interesting to see how 'I can change the world, but I can't change the world in me' sounds on Experience when it comes out - hopefully cathartic, powerful and compelling.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: an tha on May 30, 2017, 01:04:09 PM
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Can somebody please define "F--- off song"

Synonymous with big, hit song?

When using 'big f*** off' to describe something it just means 'massive' or 'huge' and really is just a way of adding an exclamation mark to a sentence....to add extra emphasis about how big/good something is.

'i caught this huge f*** off fish'.....'i had this great big f*** off meal'......
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: DisgruntledSherpa on May 30, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
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Really hope he means heavy and raw.  But then how many times before has he side the Edge was on fire and end up getting something else.

"This is our rock and roll record" - every record since Pop.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: dan on May 30, 2017, 03:25:01 PM
The interviewer asked " the new album early 2018" Bono " could be, maybe earlier. Don't quote me on that though"

Judging from the past, 2017 is pretty unlikely. Hope I'm wrong though.

Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: eddyjedi on May 30, 2017, 03:45:59 PM
I live in hope that U2's greatest demo of the last 15 years is on SOE

All my life - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8arThAKfk

It's title is fairly apt for the album non?
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: codeguy on May 30, 2017, 03:54:31 PM
...I loved the nod to a possible Zoo TV redux tour - I would love to see Bono acknowledging that he is now, to all intents, MacPhisto
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: ShankAsu on May 30, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
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...I loved the nod to a possible Zoo TV redux tour - I would love to see Bono acknowledging that he is now, to all intents, MacPhisto
Ha, according the how they originally described him, Bono became MacPhisto in 2003.  Didn't Bono say that he pictured himself in 10 years?
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on May 30, 2017, 04:34:18 PM
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...I loved the nod to a possible Zoo TV redux tour - I would love to see Bono acknowledging that he is now, to all intents, MacPhisto
Ha, according the how they originally described him, Bono became MacPhisto in 2003.  Didn't Bono say that he pictured himself in 10 years?
Well, if so, then he really hit the nail on the head...
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Pouakai on May 30, 2017, 05:01:14 PM
Noticed we got a name for Bono's character in Exit too:

Quote
I had a lot of self-harm over the years playing that song. I was very glad not to play it for many years. I broke my shoulder. I got into some very dark places on the stage. I'd rather not step back into that song, but I found a way by thinking of where it came from and going back to the books I was reading at the time. I realized the real influence was probably Flannery O'Connor, so I developed this character called the Shadow Man and I'm managing to step into the shoes of the Shadow Man without any self-harm. It's quite a character. I'm actually using some lines from [the O'Connor book] Wise Blood. I also do "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe," which we grew up with in Europe, a totally racist thing. The bit from Wise Blood is, "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going is never there. Where you are is no good unless you can get away from it." It's Southern Gothic, which is what I guess you'd call it.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: mariamontreal on May 30, 2017, 05:31:55 PM
Informative interview at least we will have a tour with SOE with different screen images Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Argo on May 30, 2017, 07:02:55 PM
Hope they put all 15 songs out even if done as some sort of special edition (which they kind of did with SOI). U2 don't have a great track record at picking "the best" 12 songs (very subjective of course). But to have left songs like Crystal Ballroom, Winter and Mercy off the last 3 albums is pretty silly. At least they saw the light of day unlike All My Life. 
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: ultravioletlight on May 30, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
If they do have 15 songs ready, there is no excuse whatsoever for this album to not be released in the year 2017.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: LToy on May 30, 2017, 08:22:58 PM
BONO: Actually the theme of Innocence and Experience has a line from a song called "Rejoice" which is "I can't change the world, but I can change the world in me." I wrote that at 22. That's the spirit of Innocence. But the spirit of Experience is actually I can change the world, I can't change the world in me. That is the actual, dare I say it, dialectic of Innocence and Experience.

At least he's finally explained the theme of the Experience portion of the Innocence+Experience Tour, albeit 2 years after the fact.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Airuarak on May 30, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
ahh, point of order!

In Lucifer's Hands, which details a young punk rock band beginning their journey, the lyrics are "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me"... so why is this the spirit of Experience if it is a song, albeit not on SoI, that is about innocence.

Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: THRILLHO on May 30, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
honestly i think we'll get SOE, but as for an SOA, i doubt it. they'll have moved on to different ideas by then.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: monopoly on May 30, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
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ahh, point of order!

In Lucifer's Hands, which details a young punk rock band beginning their journey, the lyrics are "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me"... so why is this the spirit of Experience if it is a song, albeit not on SoI, that is about innocence.

But EBW is a SOE, on SOI
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Airuarak on May 31, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
There's SOE on SOI? The Apple thing was bad, but now they did it to their own album?? We in the matrix?
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: monopoly on May 31, 2017, 12:41:10 AM
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There's SOE on SOI? The Apple thing was bad, but now they did it to their own album?? We in the matrix?

Yes, it was said in an interview with him. Can't find. Wish they would go back to just making good music. There's too much meaning now.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: The Edges Cat on May 31, 2017, 02:53:51 AM
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Don't know why Edge is being blamed.

Tongue in cheek. They have to distract Edge when the album's off to the CD factory, or he'd still be tinkering with it.

The Edge's motto: "The album's not finished until it's on iTunes/in stores."
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Post by: THRILLHO on May 31, 2017, 03:23:27 AM
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Don't know why Edge is being blamed.

Tongue in cheek. They have to distract Edge when the album's off to the CD factory, or he'd still be tinkering with it.

The Edge's motto: "The album's not finished until it's on iTunes/in stores."

similar to the filmmakers motto, films arent finished theyre ripped out of your hands
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: 73October on May 31, 2017, 04:27:57 AM
The album may never be 'finished' when it's released.  I'm hoping there are plenty of raw, heavy 'f*** off songs' on it.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: jules on May 31, 2017, 04:30:15 AM
Very good news that they think SOI is over-produced, IMHO California is over-produced but TIWYCRMN is spot on.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: 73October on May 31, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
Yeah, I liked TIWYCRMN on the album and was hoping for a live version.  It's become like RHMT, which is a song I have always liked off TJT.

When will we get a live version on TIWYCRMN - probably not at an SOI 30th anniversary tour?!
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Volcanogirl on May 31, 2017, 04:48:54 AM
Poverty is sexist

Dallas, you rock! Your friendship and support can
help B man and his quitar playing.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: Sunchild on May 31, 2017, 06:27:38 AM
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ahh, point of order!

In Lucifer's Hands, which details a young punk rock band beginning their journey, the lyrics are "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me"... so why is this the spirit of Experience if it is a song, albeit not on SoI, that is about innocence.

At first I was confused what this line means "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me" as in reality the real world is only a reflection of of the world we have inside us, then it struck me why this line appeared in a song called Lucifer's Hands, it is a complete corruption and inversion of the soul when someone has given up on their own world, becoming literally lost in an illusion, therefore only a devil can guide that soul, hence Lucifer's Hands. Sort of like our suicide would change the world, as the act itself could change people's awareness or consciousness.  Sometimes the ëxperience"means losing ourselves. I am curious about the theme of Songs Of Ascent, usually there comes an inner awakening, due to the loss and pain of the experience.  Songs Of Experience is going to contain lots of dark things, pain, loss, sadness, grief, basically a corruption of the soul. Always the 2nd act of our life cycles.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: miami on May 31, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
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ahh, point of order!

In Lucifer's Hands, which details a young punk rock band beginning their journey, the lyrics are "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me"... so why is this the spirit of Experience if it is a song, albeit not on SoI, that is about innocence.

At first I was confused what this line means "I can change the world... I can't change the world in me" as in reality the real world is only a reflection of of the world we have inside us, then it struck me why this line appeared in a song called Lucifer's Hands, it is a complete corruption and inversion of the soul when someone has given up on their own world, becoming literally lost in an illusion, therefore only a devil can guide that soul, hence Lucifer's Hands. Sort of like our suicide would change the world, as the act itself could change people's awareness or consciousness.  Sometimes the ëxperience"means losing ourselves. I am curious about the theme of Songs Of Ascent, usually there comes an inner awakening, due to the loss and pain of the experience.  Songs Of Experience is going to contain lots of dark things, pain, loss, sadness, grief, basically a corruption of the soul. Always the 2nd act of our life cycles.

I got lost at ,'at first I was confused'. without meaning to disrespect you, I think you're reading a bit too heavily into themes and meaning of innocence and experience. it's like listening to bono. at the end of the day, albums are a collection of songs. they are either good songs or bad songs. that's about the height of it for me.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: NOLA Fly on May 31, 2017, 09:01:13 AM
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Don't know why Edge is being blamed.

Tongue in cheek. They have to distract Edge when the album's off to the CD factory, or he'd still be tinkering with it.

The Edge's motto: "The album's not finished until it's on iTunes/in stores."

Reading that, I had the image of Bono jangling a set of keys (or perhaps a shiny new guitar pedal) to lead Edge away from the mixing desk and out of the room while Larry and Adam run in and grab the tapes to send them off.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: MadRob360 on May 31, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
'All my life' HAS to be put out somehow, It's a f**k off tune if there ever was one!  8)
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: The Slow Loris on May 31, 2017, 03:16:36 PM
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I live in hope that U2's greatest demo of the last 15 years is on SOE

All my life - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8arThAKfk

It's title is fairly apt for the album non?

I wholeheartedly agree. This is the best U2 song NEVER released (with the exception of 'My Time Hasn't Come' from the Joshua Tree soundcheck in San Fran in 1987, as I remember). Both tunes are simply amazing. I wonder if U2 even remembers them now.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: garyu2 on May 31, 2017, 03:53:34 PM
Bono's dead wrong about the start of the show. It needs to be LONGER, not shorter.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: 73October on June 01, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
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Bono's dead wrong about the start of the show. It needs to be LONGER, not shorter.

It WAS longer, and the band took ASOH out and moved Bad until the 3rd section of the show.  I&E 2015 left off around 1982-1983, and they can only choose from a handful of songs to lead into TJT.  From War they have chosen 'hits' so no THBAO, which was a single hit but never played live in ages.  That leaves 2 well known songs.
From UF, they have switched the set.  Unless they played UF again, but they did that on 360, and questions over if it is appropriate for this tour considering they have already dropped MLK.  Wire is a possibility but only just that.  Again Promenade would go down with diehards, but not casuals.  From WAIA - LCT and Three Sunrises are obscure again.  Again diehards would like it but would lose the casual core of the audience.  I'm guessing from what clips that I am seeing there are a fair number of casuals attending the US leg, given that it is touring an old album.
Still, I am finding an unplanned IWF at the end of the encore an interesting choice - it's like 'back to the start / innocence'.
Title: Re: RS: Bono Talks 'Joshua Tree' Tour, Trump, Status of U2's Next Album
Post by: 73October on June 01, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Actually - I just thought, could Party Girl be played live before the TJT section?  Although Ali has not been around on the tour yet, she memorably was in the latter stages of the 1987 tour and came onstage with champagne.  Again, please?
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Post by: Volcanogirl on June 02, 2017, 05:09:33 AM
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Actually - I just thought, could Party Girl be played live before the TJT section?  Although Ali has not been around on the tour yet, she memorably was in the latter stages of the 1987 tour and came onstage with champagne.  Again, please?
Would not mind at all if they play it, who knows?