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Title: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on June 01, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
The new deluxe set is streaming on Google Play Music.  Check it out.  It is a fun listen!
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: zedg on June 02, 2017, 12:18:46 AM
Listening on Spotify.

The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 02, 2017, 12:27:46 AM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: zedg on June 02, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.

Well in regards to the lyrics it may be an early version Bono had written... which is good to hear, but just release an early demo of the song instead of of the copy/paste/overlap meandering remix.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on June 02, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
Here's a link for those interested: https://youtu.be/tB7zbeT2aSw
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: lorence_of_arabia on June 02, 2017, 01:12:43 AM
Lanois remix of WOWY is nice.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: monopoly on June 02, 2017, 01:16:55 AM
I hope none of these remixes are indications of what's to come on SOE. Lillywhite and Jacknife are both producers.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 02, 2017, 01:22:41 AM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.

Well in regards to the lyrics it may be an early version Bono had written... which is good to hear, but just release an early demo of the song instead of of the copy/paste/overlap meandering remix.

To me, there are no early or late demos, there are only different interpretations of the song. They all add new richness and insight to the song, regardless of when they were released or performed. U2 songs progress and evolve; they're not static releases that are stuck in a moment.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 02, 2017, 01:24:20 AM
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I hope none of these remixes are indications of what's to come on SOE. Lillywhite and Jacknife are both producers.

It probably makes more sense to take their work as part of a whole, rather than focusing on individual remixes of 30-year-old songs.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Pouakai on June 02, 2017, 01:41:20 AM
I love the extra lines in Streets, but I'm not a fan of the remix as a whole. Love the remix of Bullet though, and the OTH remixes.

Also I think this is the best live recording CD I've heard from U2, in terms of the mixing. It sounds amazing
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: xy on June 02, 2017, 04:02:09 AM
WOWY and Bullet are the best remixes.

RHMT and RTSS are ok.

OTH and Streets are misfires. I don't feel the atmospherics work...overall a decent collection.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: soloyan on June 02, 2017, 05:33:17 AM
I have to say I like alternative mixes way more than remixes.

I love what Steve Lillywhite did with "I still haven't found..." just as I loved the alternative mix of "A sort of homecoming" by Daniel Lanois and Peter Gabriel.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: wraitii on June 02, 2017, 05:34:11 AM
OTH is super boring.
BTBS can't reach the intensity of the live versions despite the in-your-face bass, honestly not nearly as good as his vertigo remixes. Feels like an inferior "I'm Afraid of Americans".

RTSS is OK, don't really see the point. RHMM is also kinda "why bother".

The tambourine of the WOWY remix is honestly pure garbage, WTH did he do with what was probably the best part of Larry's drumming on that song. Bono sounds different from the album. Might be some of the layers of the original only or could be a different recording. Don't really care for the transient atmosphere. Almost manages to be boring. Far weaker than the album version.

Streets is… something.

Overall the mix is a mess in those things, and they're really just not that good. No mix reaches the height of Justice GOYB, Perfecto Lemon or Jacknife's own Vertigo.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: PookaMacP on June 02, 2017, 07:01:59 AM
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No mix reaches the height of Justice GOYB, Perfecto Lemon or Jacknife's own Vertigo.

Justice GOYB = amazing
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: eddyjedi on June 02, 2017, 08:25:15 AM
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No mix reaches the height of Justice GOYB, Perfecto Lemon or Jacknife's own Vertigo.

Justice GOYB = amazing

Even better than the real thing (fish out of water remix) 2011 is the best.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Swan269 on June 02, 2017, 09:44:10 AM
i still think its cool the original producers had a shot to remix.  I find the RTSS mix quite good, very beautiful.  Seems that Lanois captured even more of a landscape quality to this tune than the subtle undertones of the original present.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Bundang Dave on June 02, 2017, 11:26:54 AM
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i still think its cool the original producers had a shot to remix.  I find the RTSS mix quite good, very beautiful.  Seems that Lanois captured even more of a landscape quality to this tune than the subtle undertones of the original present.

I quite like the Lanois remixes. They both add a spacey, summery feel that reminds me of the Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack, not surprisingly since Lanois was part of that recording too.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: eddyjedi on June 02, 2017, 12:14:34 PM
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i still think its cool the original producers had a shot to remix.  I find the RTSS mix quite good, very beautiful.  Seems that Lanois captured even more of a landscape quality to this tune than the subtle undertones of the original present.

It's like the demo that's on the album documentary.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: miryclay on June 02, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
When listening to ISHFWILF 87 new mix we can see just how raw the version we Know​ and love really is.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: THRILLHO on June 02, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
i don't have these yet but i will get them off itunes soon.

i do wish they'd have stuck with the Kindergarten idea and just done JT demos in album sequence. its always fun to see what the song was before it came to be what we know.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Saint1322 on June 02, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.

A dark, hopeless feel? On STREETS? That's gonna be a hard pass for me, thanks. And I do mean thank you; I almost bought this today. I can go to my grave not hearing that one.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: THRILLHO on June 02, 2017, 01:46:05 PM
you're not going to get it cuz of that ONE remix?
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Saint1322 on June 02, 2017, 01:52:30 PM
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you're not going to get it cuz of that ONE remix?

I was already on the fence, because of having several boots from that tour and the 20th anniversary box. I wondered if there would be any value there for me. Finding out that one remix I was otherwise curious about is basically sacrilege kind of tips the scale toward passing on this one. I know that may sound silly to some, but I don't think I need this. 
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 02, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.

A dark, hopeless feel? On STREETS? That's gonna be a hard pass for me, thanks. And I do mean thank you; I almost bought this today. I can go to my grave not hearing that one.

The song was inspired by Bono's witnessing famine in Ethiopia. The song has lyrics like "The cities a flood and our love turns to rust. We're beaten and blown by the wind, trampled in dust" and "I want to take shelter from the poison rain." The song has always had a very dark heart, regardless of how easy it is to bounce to live or how bright the lights are on stage. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" just fleshes out that darkness a bit. It has always been a song about trying to escape destruction.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Saint1322 on June 02, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
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The Streets remix by Flood is garbage, wth. Was he even trying here, or just fooling around. Pointless nonsense.

Totally disagree. It's muddled and not linear, but I LOVE the new lyrics it provides. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" puts a much darker, hopeless feel on the chorus of the song. It's an awesome inclusion. Having those to incorporate into what Streets is is completely worth the meandering quality of the remix.

A dark, hopeless feel? On STREETS? That's gonna be a hard pass for me, thanks. And I do mean thank you; I almost bought this today. I can go to my grave not hearing that one.

The song was inspired by Bono's witnessing famine in Ethiopia. The song has lyrics like "The cities a flood and our love turns to rust. We're beaten and blown by the wind, trampled in dust" and "I want to take shelter from the poison rain." The song has always had a very dark heart, regardless of how easy it is to bounce to live or how bright the lights are on stage. "Where the streets have no faith, where the streets have no love, where the streets have no name" just fleshes out that darkness a bit. It has always been a song about trying to escape destruction.

And succeeding in escaping the destruction, not wallowing in it. Sorry, this has been my favorite song for 30 years; I like it the way it is. If I want darkness -- and sometimes I do -- I'll cue up Achtung Baby. I like my Streets soaring and hopeful. Just my opinion. Y'all 'enjoy' your emo Streets. :)
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Izzy on June 02, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
Really like most of the remixes, red hill is okay
Very refreshing take on the songs. Except red hill
Imho
Amazing to hear the demo/alternate vocal tracks, a reminder of how tremendously powerful bono's voice was back then.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 02, 2017, 03:22:11 PM
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Really like most of the remixes, red hill is okay
Very refreshing take on the songs. Except red hill
Imho
Amazing to hear the demo/alternate vocal tracks, a reminder of how tremendously powerful bono's voice was back then.

I love hearing the demo/alternate vocal tracks as well. I love getting further lyrical insight into what the songs are.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: miryclay on June 02, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
Red Hill is the least tinkered with. Listen to Bono's 87 Fanning interview to get insights into the meaning of Streets. The power is in the delivery. Everything is on the table.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Starman on June 02, 2017, 06:25:13 PM
I like the new WOWY and One Tree Hill mixes and I've grown used to the new RHMT mix, but that's all that really impresses me. The Streets mix is terrible.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: The Edges Cat on June 02, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Had a dream last night I watched U2 perform a terrible new version of Streets. Just listened to the new mix, and wow... not quite as bad as my dream version, but it's not very good either. Flood, what the hell dude...
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Izzy on June 02, 2017, 09:34:38 PM
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I like the new WOWY and One Tree Hill mixes and I've grown used to the new RHMT mix, but that's all that really impresses me. The Streets mix is terrible.

It's different, maybe that's what I like. Murky and confusing at times. The vocal track is incredible.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: The Edges Cat on June 02, 2017, 11:32:09 PM
Definitely digging the Lanois mixes the most. Which isn't surprising considering he co-produced TJT and has a lot of emotional investment in the album.

Flood was there too, but his new mix is disappointing.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: ian ryan on June 03, 2017, 01:31:04 AM
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I like the new WOWY and One Tree Hill mixes and I've grown used to the new RHMT mix, but that's all that really impresses me. The Streets mix is terrible.

It's different, maybe that's what I like. Murky and confusing at times. The vocal track is incredible.

I agree on Streets. It's very different, and the difference showcases the alternate lyrics.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on June 03, 2017, 05:04:43 AM
I love Lanois' mixes the best.  I wish he were producing SOE.  Flood's Streets mix is just so weird.  Why does it quickly fade in mid song.  Sloppy...  I dig some of the atmospherics but that fade is unforgivable.  Lillywhite's ISHFWILF mix is interesting as it showcases some of the underlying rhythmic elements.  I think the OTH and BTBS remixes are interesting as well but I am glad I didn't purchase this.  Of course the b-sides we already had are brilliant.

I love the live tracks.  Much better than the Paris concert in many ways.  This is where this set shines. 

I too wish we would have gotten some good early Kindergarten type mixes as well. 

Side note: Hope we get some more good quality ZooTv shows in the future from early in the tour.  The show I saw in early '92 in Tacoma was amazing.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: mdewater on June 03, 2017, 08:46:33 AM
^^Agreed about the MSG live set. Great concert. Now for the 35th anniversary or something I hope they release a full live album from Tempe AZ that they used in the Rattle and Hum film.

I was mostly disappointed in all the remixes. I had been looking forward to them, as I *loved* Lanois' new mix of A Sort of Homecoming from the TUF remaster, but these were mostly super boring.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Perico on June 03, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Streets remix is kinda messy but I love how the the different lyrics sound. The fade by the end is cool, I definitely imagine it being used as soundtrack for some sports event ad. I also noticed that by 3:30 you can hear a part of WOWY in the background, strange.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: zeeTV on June 04, 2017, 02:57:14 AM
YAS, love the new mixes, love love love WOWY seems very fresh, Bullet is what is would be if they released this song in 2017... OTH was beautiful, Silver and gold w/ Keith richards is fire .. Bonos vocals yassss

Question - Beautiful Ghost/Intro to songs of experience ... I don't get it ? I initially thought It would like a new song off SOE... or is a demo? Highly Confused
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: xy on June 04, 2017, 05:39:07 AM
Lillywhite's mix of Still haven't found is ok...Eno's "reprise" mix of OTH is weird. 2 mins or so and it's over.

Beautiful ghost is a JT sessions leftover.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: JFW on June 04, 2017, 03:27:44 PM
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YAS, love the new mixes, love love love WOWY seems very fresh, Bullet is what is would be if they released this song in 2017... OTH was beautiful, Silver and gold w/ Keith richards is fire .. Bonos vocals yassss

Question - Beautiful Ghost/Intro to songs of experience ... I don't get it ? I initially thought It would like a new song off SOE... or is a demo? Highly Confused
Beautiful Ghost is from 2004, or so. It's just a poem of William Blake
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 07, 2017, 10:05:45 AM
Doesn't sound too promising.  My only debate is the pretty box and book.  Otherwise, maybe I'll just download the new mixes and maybe the live disc, and call it done.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: U21978man on June 21, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
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Doesn't sound too promising.  My only debate is the pretty box and book.  Otherwise, maybe I'll just download the new mixes and maybe the live disc, and call it done.
I like the remixes and B-sides !!! But why would anyone would want incomplete 1987 MSG show ????
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 21, 2017, 11:57:53 AM
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Doesn't sound too promising.  My only debate is the pretty box and book.  Otherwise, maybe I'll just download the new mixes and maybe the live disc, and call it done.
I like the remixes and B-sides !!! But why would anyone would want incomplete 1987 MSG show ????

I agree with you--though of course, I'd already had the b-sides.  (Twice, in fact.  Three times, in some cases!)

The show is really pretty good--it's just a bummer they cut out arguably the most interesting tracks.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Pouakai on June 21, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
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Doesn't sound too promising.  My only debate is the pretty box and book.  Otherwise, maybe I'll just download the new mixes and maybe the live disc, and call it done.
I like the remixes and B-sides !!! But why would anyone would want incomplete 1987 MSG show ????
Regardless of whether or not it's complete, the mixing is among the best I've heard for a live show, it's absolutely insane
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Daniel94 on June 21, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
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Doesn't sound too promising.  My only debate is the pretty box and book.  Otherwise, maybe I'll just download the new mixes and maybe the live disc, and call it done.
I like the remixes and B-sides !!! But why would anyone would want incomplete 1987 MSG show ????
Regardless of whether or not it's complete, the mixing is among the best I've heard for a live show, it's absolutely insane

Yea seriously, it sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: timeisatrain on June 21, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
U2 need Lanois and Eno to make great music again.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: miryclay on June 24, 2017, 09:59:50 PM
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YAS, love the new mixes, love love love WOWY seems very fresh, Bullet is what is would be if they released this song in 2017... OTH was beautiful, Silver and gold w/ Keith richards is fire .. Bonos vocals yassss

Question - Beautiful Ghost/Intro to songs of experience ... I don't get it ? I initially thought It would like a new song off SOE... or is a demo? Highly Confused

The instrumentation of BG/SOE is definitely 80s. So is Drunk Chicken. Probably no touches for the original 2007 first release.
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: GFY on July 06, 2017, 09:05:10 AM
Are these online anywhere to hear?
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Izzy on July 06, 2017, 07:16:26 PM
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U2 need Lanois and Eno to make great music again.
I feel like NLOTH was possibly innovative and fresh, but second guessing led to its final, almost sterile form. Shame, Lanois recent work is amazing, would be  nice to hear him sprinkle some of that mojo on their next release
Title: Re: The new Joshua Tree Mixes
Post by: Blueyedboy on July 12, 2017, 06:22:00 PM
I had a listen on Spotify today, the mixes are pretty cool. They're never going to trouble the originals as being the definitive version but they're cool all the same.