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Title: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: monopoly on June 04, 2017, 02:08:41 PM
https://www.atu2.com/news/rumor-u2-to-extend-joshua-tree-2017-tour-with-more-north--south-america-dates.html

New rumor, could be true, might not be true.

If it happens to be true, it'll be a slight disappointment.
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Post by: TheU2Ken on June 04, 2017, 02:12:32 PM
U2 hasn't been to Atlanta since 2009. Long overdue
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Post by: JFW on June 04, 2017, 03:19:20 PM
Hope those dates are for I+E  :)
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: georgemccauley on June 04, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
Could well be I+E dates, or E+I, whichever way you want to look at it. And with the image of the artwork labelled "December 1st 2017" these next few weeks if an announcement is imminent will tell us all we need to know, we are on the cusp of something guys!!
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: able on June 04, 2017, 05:01:47 PM
How could they go and tour countries that missed the previous tour before releasing next album. Sure the US deserved to get three tours in a row with the rest of the world getting none but still.

You would think U2 are trying to appease fans from out sitde the northern hemisphere if they deviate from releasing new album and extending tour.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: monopoly on June 04, 2017, 05:01:56 PM
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Could well be I+E dates, or E+I, whichever way you want to look at it. And with the image of the artwork labelled "December 1st 2017" these next few weeks if an announcement is imminent will tell us all we need to know, we are on the cusp of something guys!!

Artwork??
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Post by: georgemccauley on June 04, 2017, 05:04:00 PM
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Could well be I+E dates, or E+I, whichever way you want to look at it. And with the image of the artwork labelled "December 1st 2017" these next few weeks if an announcement is imminent will tell us all we need to know, we are on the cusp of something guys!!

Artwork??

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Post by: monopoly on June 04, 2017, 05:05:03 PM
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Could well be I+E dates, or E+I, whichever way you want to look at it. And with the image of the artwork labelled "December 1st 2017" these next few weeks if an announcement is imminent will tell us all we need to know, we are on the cusp of something guys!!

Artwork??

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Where'd that come from? Credibility it's real?
Title: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: aviastar on June 04, 2017, 05:07:51 PM
I live in KC.  I can't see the band playing an I+E show at Arrowhead prior to touring it in bigger markets.  It has to be a TJT show.  If this is real, I+E will be pushed back and the I+E tour will commence in 2018 or later.


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Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 04, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
The source has been right before, so I'd say there's a decent chance of this being right.

That said, Detroit is an hour away from me so I'll absolutely be there if they come.

I did think it was odd that Michigan got skipped over in 2015 and in 2017 with these TJT tour dates, so them adding a short leg and playing Detroit and other markets they missed makes sense to me.
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Post by: georgemccauley on June 04, 2017, 05:13:43 PM
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Could well be I+E dates, or E+I, whichever way you want to look at it. And with the image of the artwork labelled "December 1st 2017" these next few weeks if an announcement is imminent will tell us all we need to know, we are on the cusp of something guys!!

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Where'd that come from? Credibility it's real?

From u2songs, they correctly predicted the red hill single, jt30 etc. so maybe album release is the next thing after the SA dates in September / October?


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Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: monopoly on June 04, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
Why would the cover be blackened out though? Hmmmm
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Post by: NOLA Fly on June 04, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
If those dates are real, I think it's a slim to none chance they are for i+e. They would have booked the Smoothie King Center, if that were the case, I believe. The last time they played the Superdome, it was on the PopMart tour and it was half full. They haven't been back since. If they're coming to NOLA to play the dome, I think they're bringing The Joshua Tree with them.

I'll take whatever I can get, though. PLEASE COME BACK TO LOUISIANA!!!
Title: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Starman on June 04, 2017, 05:22:52 PM
I don't know how they're going to tour SOE, especially if they add more JT shows in secondary U.S. markets as well as South America.

Where are they going to take a new tour that would actually sell tickets that soon after a stadium tour? (Yes there's Australia, if they don't add JT shows there too)
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Post by: riffraff on June 04, 2017, 05:25:46 PM
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I don't know how they're going to tour SOE, especially if they add more JT shows in secondary U.S. markets as well as South America.

Where are they going to take a new tour that would actually sell tickets that soon after a stadium tour? (Yes there's Australia, if they don't add JT shows there too)
If they do arena shows next, they will sell. Everywhere.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: tigerfan41 on June 04, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
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I don't know how they're going to tour SOE, especially if they add more JT shows in secondary U.S. markets as well as South America.

Where are they going to take a new tour that would actually sell tickets that soon after a stadium tour? (Yes there's Australia, if they don't add JT shows there too)
If they do arena shows next, they will sell. Everywhere.

Yup. Detroit has a new arena coming that would be perfect for an I&E date. The big cities will always sell out, even the smaller ones should do well on account of it being arena shows.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: imaginary friend on June 04, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
jeez, U2, get this tour over with and get on with SOE!
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Post by: riffraff on June 04, 2017, 06:36:01 PM
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jeez, U2, get this tour over with and get on with SOE!
I will certainly drink to that! Cheers!
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Post by: miryclay on June 04, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
https://youtu.be/ADwVvT7-5_0
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Post by: Passenger789 on June 04, 2017, 07:57:08 PM
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https://youtu.be/ADwVvT7-5_0
Lolll... good one  ;)
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: JStu on June 04, 2017, 10:08:40 PM
If they do extend the Joshua Tree Tour US dates I hope they hit the Phoenix area since that is where they opened and closed the orinigal tour.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: zoo adam on June 05, 2017, 03:32:13 AM
There was zero chance of TJT tour not being extended.

U2 like touring, it bigs up an old album & everyone likes earning money.

The only way it wasn't going to be extended was if the shows didn't sell out. But even then it would just be a case of extending by booking smaller venues.

The album Edge said U2 were "busting their ass" to get released in 2016, will not come out until 2018 (I hope).
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Primavera on June 05, 2017, 06:21:32 AM
Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.
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Post by: acrobat62 on June 05, 2017, 06:37:12 AM
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Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.


Agreed, but would you want to perform at the Big O at this point?  I know they built a stadium there for 360 which was fabulous, but I don't think they would do that this time around, if we're talking JTJ30 Stadium tour.  What other existing stadium size venue is there in Montreal?
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 05, 2017, 06:39:30 AM
I'm not surprised this tour would be expanded--I'm actually surprised Chicago isn't listed with a possible return date.  More surprising, though, is the artwork/possible confirmation of a new album this year.  I could imagine it's possible that the delays and perception of TJT30 relegating them as a nostalgia act could have lit a fire to finish up the new album and get it out as quickly as possible after this tour.  It does make the idea of touring as early as next year a bit odd, though.  Would they still find an audience willing to pay to see them just the year after they toured their biggest album?  I could see a lot of people passing, unless they decided to skip the usual markets for that tour.  Maybe it becomes similar to LoveTown?  Hm.  Lots to speculate about.
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Post by: Chargedvt on June 05, 2017, 06:51:28 AM
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I'm not surprised this tour would be expanded--I'm actually surprised Chicago isn't listed with a possible return date.  More surprising, though, is the artwork/possible confirmation of a new album this year.  I could imagine it's possible that the delays and perception of TJT30 relegating them as a nostalgia act could have lit a fire to finish up the new album and get it out as quickly as possible after this tour.  It does make the idea of touring as early as next year a bit odd, though.  Would they still find an audience willing to pay to see them just the year after they toured their biggest album?  I could see a lot of people passing, unless they decided to skip the usual markets for that tour.  Maybe it becomes similar to LoveTown?  Hm.  Lots to speculate about.

I'd say that if JT is extended they would avoid the US for SOE and tour through parts of the world that haven't seen U2 in years. Then a proper Euro tour and then maybe some US shows after.
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Post by: Primavera on June 05, 2017, 07:36:37 AM
I thought about that as well, but decided to post anyway.  :D

No, I can't think of another Montreal venue that size.

I think if U2 wanted to play Montreal then they would be happy to for their fee and have the promoter figure out the venue issue.

Another Toronto show would be nice too (given how quickly the upcoming June show sold-out I think the market could bear another one), but with the rumoured Buffalo and Detroit shows that seems really unlikely.

Too bad Ottawa doesn't have venue for this show as it would address the Montreal audience and possibly Southern Ontarians who aren't keen to cross the border.

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Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.


Agreed, but would you want to perform at the Big O at this point?  I know they built a stadium there for 360 which was fabulous, but I don't think they would do that this time around, if we're talking JTJ30 Stadium tour.  What other existing stadium size venue is there in Montreal?
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Post by: tony_bolony on June 05, 2017, 08:50:23 AM
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I thought about that as well, but decided to post anyway.  :D

No, I can't think of another Montreal venue that size.

I think if U2 wanted to play Montreal then they would be happy to for their fee and have the promoter figure out the venue issue.

Another Toronto show would be nice too (given how quickly the upcoming June show sold-out I think the market could bear another one), but with the rumoured Buffalo and Detroit shows that seems really unlikely.

Too bad Ottawa doesn't have venue for this show as it would address the Montreal audience and possibly Southern Ontarians who aren't keen to cross the border.

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Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.


Agreed, but would you want to perform at the Big O at this point?  I know they built a stadium there for 360 which was fabulous, but I don't think they would do that this time around, if we're talking JTJ30 Stadium tour.  What other existing stadium size venue is there in Montreal?

I thought the issue with the Olympic Stadium for 360 was that the claw/rigging was too high. TJT stage doesn't seem to be quite as menacing... is something else wrong with the O that I'm missing? (and yes I agree that Montreal seriously needs to be on this list)
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Post by: singnomore on June 05, 2017, 08:54:11 AM
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I'm not surprised this tour would be expanded--I'm actually surprised Chicago isn't listed with a possible return date.  More surprising, though, is the artwork/possible confirmation of a new album this year.  I could imagine it's possible that the delays and perception of TJT30 relegating them as a nostalgia act could have lit a fire to finish up the new album and get it out as quickly as possible after this tour.  It does make the idea of touring as early as next year a bit odd, though.  Would they still find an audience willing to pay to see them just the year after they toured their biggest album?  I could see a lot of people passing, unless they decided to skip the usual markets for that tour.  Maybe it becomes similar to LoveTown?  Hm.  Lots to speculate about.

I'd say that if JT is extended they would avoid the US for SOE and tour through parts of the world that haven't seen U2 in years. Then a proper Euro tour and then maybe some US shows after.

I think something like this is about right - mind sounds everything is ready to go - they just seem to want to bleed the 30 year dry a bit longer
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Smee on June 05, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
I think when u2 return to USA, it will be with I+E Tour.......possible anytime from April 2018
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: DPardue on June 05, 2017, 09:49:34 AM
From a marketing perspective, it makes sense.  The current tour could continue and then a few weeks afterwards (December maybe?), "Songs of Experience" is released with the subsequent tour in 2018.  It's a nice way to keep the band in the forefront by coming off a tour, releasing a new album, and touring again.  There isn't a lot of dead time.  The extension of the current tour bridges right into all of the Songs of Experience things.

However, with the band having a long history of delayed releases, if the current tour continues well into the fall, I'd place good money that the new album is pushed back until at least the first quarter of next year.
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Post by: Saint1322 on June 05, 2017, 09:50:16 AM
OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.
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Post by: edge726 on June 05, 2017, 10:13:57 AM
I think they could probably swing a few more US arenas next year, probably in the fall. They could probably do Barclays in Brooklyn or MSG. I'd say 2 nights wouldn't be hard, maybe even 3 or 4. They sold like 250k tix in NY on 360, similar figures to I&E and TJT.

I'd bet if they play US arenas next year, it'll be a good 4 or so years until the next run after that.
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Post by: Alakazoo on June 05, 2017, 10:56:46 AM
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I'm not surprised this tour would be expanded--I'm actually surprised Chicago isn't listed with a possible return date.  More surprising, though, is the artwork/possible confirmation of a new album this year.  I could imagine it's possible that the delays and perception of TJT30 relegating them as a nostalgia act could have lit a fire to finish up the new album and get it out as quickly as possible after this tour.  It does make the idea of touring as early as next year a bit odd, though.  Would they still find an audience willing to pay to see them just the year after they toured their biggest album?  I could see a lot of people passing, unless they decided to skip the usual markets for that tour.  Maybe it becomes similar to LoveTown?  Hm.  Lots to speculate about.

They could play at Parc Jean-Drapeau just like Metallica and Guns and Roses are doing this summer
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Post by: This Dave on June 05, 2017, 11:16:09 AM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.
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Post by: Starman on June 05, 2017, 11:19:04 AM
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I thought about that as well, but decided to post anyway.  :D

No, I can't think of another Montreal venue that size.

I think if U2 wanted to play Montreal then they would be happy to for their fee and have the promoter figure out the venue issue.

Another Toronto show would be nice too (given how quickly the upcoming June show sold-out I think the market could bear another one), but with the rumoured Buffalo and Detroit shows that seems really unlikely.

Too bad Ottawa doesn't have venue for this show as it would address the Montreal audience and possibly Southern Ontarians who aren't keen to cross the border.

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Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.


Agreed, but would you want to perform at the Big O at this point?  I know they built a stadium there for 360 which was fabulous, but I don't think they would do that this time around, if we're talking JTJ30 Stadium tour.  What other existing stadium size venue is there in Montreal?

I thought the issue with the Olympic Stadium for 360 was that the claw/rigging was too high. TJT stage doesn't seem to be quite as menacing... is something else wrong with the O that I'm missing? (and yes I agree that Montreal seriously needs to be on this list)

I'm assuming that the venue is in really bad shape. I've been to Olympic Park before and, like many former Olympic sites, it is falling apart. From what I understand, the place never gets concerts anymore.
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Post by: MPare1966 on June 05, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
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I'm not surprised this tour would be expanded--I'm actually surprised Chicago isn't listed with a possible return date.  More surprising, though, is the artwork/possible confirmation of a new album this year.  I could imagine it's possible that the delays and perception of TJT30 relegating them as a nostalgia act could have lit a fire to finish up the new album and get it out as quickly as possible after this tour.  It does make the idea of touring as early as next year a bit odd, though.  Would they still find an audience willing to pay to see them just the year after they toured their biggest album?  I could see a lot of people passing, unless they decided to skip the usual markets for that tour.  Maybe it becomes similar to LoveTown?  Hm.  Lots to speculate about.

They could play at Parc Jean-Drapeau just like Metallica and Guns and Roses are doing this summer

Parc Jean-Drapeau is not a stadium. U2 wants a good deal of seats they can sell for 250$ +

Only the Big O fits for U2. They did the original JT Tour, ZooTV OB and PopMart in that stadium. And there's a quote by Edge in Rolling Stone Mag saying he realized they could succeed in a stadium after the Montreal show in 1987.

"There were times when I felt that we really succeeded spectacularly at the stadiums and times when I really felt disappointed. I remember one great show, in Olympic Stadium in Montreal. It was great. That's when I thought, "Hey, this can work."

You can read the full interview here: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/on-the-outside-with-the-edge-19880310 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/on-the-outside-with-the-edge-19880310)

So there's a connection with Montreal, they did 4 nights for I&E and a one-shot stadium that was built for 360, with 2 sold-outs shows at 80,000 each. Right now, I have no clue as to why Evenko is not able to book them this time around.


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I thought about that as well, but decided to post anyway.  :D

No, I can't think of another Montreal venue that size.

I think if U2 wanted to play Montreal then they would be happy to for their fee and have the promoter figure out the venue issue.

Another Toronto show would be nice too (given how quickly the upcoming June show sold-out I think the market could bear another one), but with the rumoured Buffalo and Detroit shows that seems really unlikely.

Too bad Ottawa doesn't have venue for this show as it would address the Montreal audience and possibly Southern Ontarians who aren't keen to cross the border.

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Montreal is a big omission from the rumour list.


Agreed, but would you want to perform at the Big O at this point?  I know they built a stadium there for 360 which was fabulous, but I don't think they would do that this time around, if we're talking JTJ30 Stadium tour.  What other existing stadium size venue is there in Montreal?

I thought the issue with the Olympic Stadium for 360 was that the claw/rigging was too high. TJT stage doesn't seem to be quite as menacing... is something else wrong with the O that I'm missing? (and yes I agree that Montreal seriously needs to be on this list)

I'm assuming that the venue is in really bad shape. I've been to Olympic Park before and, like many former Olympic sites, it is falling apart. From what I understand, the place never gets concerts anymore.

Olympic Stadium in Montreal is NOT falling apart. Actually, it's going through a nice revival lately.

Read this: https://www.citylab.com/design/2016/08/montreal-olympic-stadium-revitalization/495437/ (https://www.citylab.com/design/2016/08/montreal-olympic-stadium-revitalization/495437/)

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Post by: Gavin82 on June 05, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
http://buffalonews.com/2017/06/05/rumor-mill-surrounding-possible-u2-buffalo-date/

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Post by: jrodr079 on June 05, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
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I think they could probably swing a few more US arenas next year, probably in the fall. They could probably do Barclays in Brooklyn or MSG. I'd say 2 nights wouldn't be hard, maybe even 3 or 4. They sold like 250k tix in NY on 360, similar figures to I&E and TJT.

I'd bet if they play US arenas next year, it'll be a good 4 or so years until the next run after that.

Wow. Everyone is just making stuff up now huh?
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: thistrain on June 05, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
I wish they'd add a date in San Antonio at the Alamodome. They haven't played there since 1997 and not in Austin since 2001. Granted they just played Houston and Dallas but not central Texas in a long time.
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Post by: The Exile on June 05, 2017, 12:03:51 PM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.
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Post by: Saint1322 on June 05, 2017, 12:08:49 PM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

Exactly, friends. I have been as vocal as anyone saying 'Chill; they'll do E+I next year,' but if this latest development is true, I think we can throw that out the window, again, UNLESS, they do 'rest of the world', then Europe and the U.S. last next. I think adding these U.S. shows is a bad sign for something happening next year. It doesn't kill it, but I way less optimistic than I was two days ago.
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Post by: fresno dave on June 05, 2017, 12:26:25 PM
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Why would the cover be blackened out though? Hmmmm

could be connected to the original  white  "cover" of the digital SOI.
Same idea: cheap studio markings, date, etc.
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Post by: The Exile on June 05, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
The original pic showed the image of Bono's and Edge's kids underneath the black. It was faint but you could see it.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

Exactly, friends. I have been as vocal as anyone saying 'Chill; they'll do E+I next year,' but if this latest development is true, I think we can throw that out the window, again, UNLESS, they do 'rest of the world', then Europe and the U.S. last next. I think adding these U.S. shows is a bad sign for something happening next year. It doesn't kill it, but I way less optimistic than I was two days ago.

They're adding shows because they know it sells. They will come back for sure for E+I but they certainly won't start here. It will be fall 2018-2019. By then they will for sure be tired of touring. I think there is potential for one more album after but buy then, at Least 5 years will have passed since 2019. Can I just say that all this I+E and E+I is ridiculous? I hope Bonos just calling it that. I+E sounds better
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: monopoly on June 05, 2017, 12:34:09 PM
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The original pic showed the image of Bono's and Edge's kids underneath the black. It was faint but you could see it.

It's still there
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: NOLA Fly on June 05, 2017, 01:17:49 PM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

I don't know, I don't think they'd have problems selling out arenas on a relatively quick turnaround with a new album/tour. And I think they'd be foolish not to release SOE on the heels of the buzz/success of this tour. My guess is also that they'd start the new tour somewhere other than the US. But what do I know? I'm just a fly.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Saint1322 on June 05, 2017, 01:45:44 PM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

Exactly, friends. I have been as vocal as anyone saying 'Chill; they'll do E+I next year,' but if this latest development is true, I think we can throw that out the window, again, UNLESS, they do 'rest of the world', then Europe and the U.S. last next. I think adding these U.S. shows is a bad sign for something happening next year. It doesn't kill it, but I way less optimistic than I was two days ago.

They're adding shows because they know it sells. They will come back for sure for E+I but they certainly won't start here. It will be fall 2018-2019. By then they will for sure be tired of touring. I think there is potential for one more album after but buy then, at Least 5 years will have passed since 2019. Can I just say that all this I+E and E+I is ridiculous? I hope Bonos just calling it that. I+E sounds better

I sort of doubt it. I think they'll call it E+I just to differentiate between the two.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: edge726 on June 05, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
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I think they could probably swing a few more US arenas next year, probably in the fall. They could probably do Barclays in Brooklyn or MSG. I'd say 2 nights wouldn't be hard, maybe even 3 or 4. They sold like 250k tix in NY on 360, similar figures to I&E and TJT.

I'd bet if they play US arenas next year, it'll be a good 4 or so years until the next run after that.

Wow. Everyone is just making stuff up now huh?

Nope, if you read my post correctly you'd see im just throwing ideas around, not saying false rumors   ::)
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: mariamontreal on June 05, 2017, 05:23:17 PM
If they are adding new dates it will take them into 2018 they certainly won't do a world tour tour right after that with the new album.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: suppers ready on June 06, 2017, 12:23:04 AM
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If those dates are real, I think it's a slim to none chance they are for i+e. They would have booked the Smoothie King Center, if that were the case, I believe. The last time they played the Superdome, it was on the PopMart tour and it was half full. They haven't been back since. If they're coming to NOLA to play the dome, I think they're bringing The Joshua Tree with them.

I'll take whatever I can get, though. PLEASE COME BACK TO LOUISIANA!!!

The only reason they'd consider NOLA is because it's JT30.  You can count the number of times they've played that city on one hand...actually I think it's 2 fingers..October and Pop (which sold poorly).  I can't imagine I+E/E+I going to NOLA, but maybe if this one sells out quickly...maybe.  The reality is NOLA is a best of U2 kinda town and I+E had a fair amount of new material.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: suppers ready on June 06, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
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I don't know how they're going to tour SOE, especially if they add more JT shows in secondary U.S. markets as well as South America.

Where are they going to take a new tour that would actually sell tickets that soon after a stadium tour? (Yes there's Australia, if they don't add JT shows there too)

They'd sell out most places.  U2 has no problem selling out arenas.  Hell, they sold out 2+ shows/city on the last tour.  I'm more skeptical of NZ dates for JT if they're planning to tour for SOE next year.  Then again, I suspect most of the staging will be the same as SOI, so the only thing they'd need to do is rehearse, so I guess they could do that after a short trip down under...but it'd make more sense for them to go there this year right after the South America dates.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: suppers ready on June 06, 2017, 12:33:20 AM
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I'd say that if JT is extended they would avoid the US for SOE and tour through parts of the world that haven't seen U2 in years. Then a proper Euro tour and then maybe some US shows after.
Problem is that it's an arena tour and outside of North America and Europe, I don't htink they've done an arena tour since Love Town.  And let's be honest folks, we're the exception.  Most peole just want to hear the old sh**....and in this case, there are a lot of songs that people have never heard live.  I bet NZ/AUS missed a bunch of JT songs, since they were touring on R&H, so this would be a treat for them too.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 12:56:32 AM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

Exactly, friends. I have been as vocal as anyone saying 'Chill; they'll do E+I next year,' but if this latest development is true, I think we can throw that out the window, again, UNLESS, they do 'rest of the world', then Europe and the U.S. last next. I think adding these U.S. shows is a bad sign for something happening next year. It doesn't kill it, but I way less optimistic than I was two days ago.

Every few days, I feel like the news gets worse with regard to the debate over whether or not they are still a "real" vital band or a heritage act. Over and over and over the promises are for vital band with new music and tours, but the moves keep saying heritage act. I wanted so badly to believe, but I really think that they are effectively done.

Eat your memberberries and enjoy them, if that's your thing.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: zoo adam on June 06, 2017, 04:23:49 AM
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OK, here's me eating crow. These additional dates in 'secondary' US markets officially have me concerned about E+I next year, UNLESS they are planning to start with places they didn't hit on TJT -- like Australia/NZ, for example, then Europe and then the US in fall 2018.

I don't know; they used to be fairly predictable, but they are playing a completely different game now.

I'm glad to see some people acknowledging this, instead of moving the goalposts every time they extend this tour.

Haha, exactly. U2 is not going to risk a big arena tour when they just wrapped up a massive stadium tour.

Exactly, friends. I have been as vocal as anyone saying 'Chill; they'll do E+I next year,' but if this latest development is true, I think we can throw that out the window, again, UNLESS, they do 'rest of the world', then Europe and the U.S. last next. I think adding these U.S. shows is a bad sign for something happening next year. It doesn't kill it, but I way less optimistic than I was two days ago.

Every few days, I feel like the news gets worse with regard to the debate over whether or not they are still a "real" vital band or a heritage act. Over and over and over the promises are for vital band with new music and tours, but the moves keep saying heritage act. I wanted so badly to believe, but I really think that they are effectively done.

Eat your memberberries and enjoy them, if that's your thing.

Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

It can't be to big up a classic album. Thirty years on, TJT is safely nestled highly in most 'best ever' album lists. Besides which there are new deluxe versions being released & a new version of RHMT keeping TJT in the public eye.

It can't be because they want to tour again. In that case they could have finished off SOE and toured that.

It can't be that they miss playing specific JT songs live. Some have constantly been played over the last 30 years. While others which have been completely ignored could be included in a SOE tour, if they had the urge to celebrate 30 years.   

It can't be because they wanted to give the fans what they want. No one was demanding a JT tour while all fans were looking forward to new music.

Hopefully someone will explain.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: briscoetheque on June 06, 2017, 06:08:39 AM

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Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

Agreed, 4 guys don't need the money. But add to that all of the parts that make up the u2 juggernaut, and sure, they need the money. LiveNation need the money. Business teams need the money. U2 as 4 guys are only the public face.

The Joshua Tree tour is a massively bankable tour (and by all reports, pretty good too!), they can charge high bucks and get big numbers. We discussed this on another thread.

So no, U2 don't need money. But they have a lot of people to support. They can make as much in a handful of big shows as they can in triple the number of arena shows.

It's good business
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: dwaltman on June 06, 2017, 06:35:14 AM
IF this new leg in the U.S. gets announced, I wonder if new ticket codes will be given out to members.

My membership always is up for renewal in February.  For the current JT tour sales, I would have been eligible for a ticket code WITHOUT renewing, but I renewed anyway and early (December, I think). 

So am I wrong in thinking I used my code for being a member up to Feb2017 and should be given a new code for my current membership through Feb2018 if a new U.S. leg is announced?  Or do you think U2.com will say my codes are exhausted for this tour?

Might have to talk to Big Wave over on the Zooropa boards.

Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: briscoetheque on June 06, 2017, 07:23:44 AM
Well, you'll be able to find out now...!
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: aviastar on June 06, 2017, 07:37:42 AM
they are coming to KC!  I get to see them again!

I know some are disappointed, but lighten up and enjoy it guys.  This is a fantastic tour - like I said, they would be crazy not to keep it the momentum going.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: 73October on June 06, 2017, 07:39:40 AM
Looking at the Tours page of U2.com it's easy to see why extended dates for US have been added - most shows have sold out completely.  Looking at the European leg the only shows that have completely sold out so far are London 1 and also Dublin (no surprises there).  Of all the other 10 shows scheduled there are at least packages still available for all shows.  Over in Europe, people maybe just don't get it so much and it is only right that more dates should be added to the tour, echoing the original tour which kept going on & on.
Really good that they are going back to South America - the band have previously hinted that they wanted to do this in the autumn/fall.  Yeah, TJT does hint at Central America and Chile definitely - it was always about 'America' in all senses.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 08:01:10 AM
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Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

Agreed, 4 guys don't need the money. But add to that all of the parts that make up the u2 juggernaut, and sure, they need the money. LiveNation need the money. Business teams need the money. U2 as 4 guys are only the public face.

The Joshua Tree tour is a massively bankable tour (and by all reports, pretty good too!), they can charge high bucks and get big numbers. We discussed this on another thread.

So no, U2 don't need money. But they have a lot of people to support. They can make as much in a handful of big shows as they can in triple the number of arena shows.

It's good business

 I would argue that it is good business in the very short term, but it is the nail in the coffin of this band in the long run. I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.
It will. There's no denying it anymore.  We are not going to get that new album when we were promised. We are not going to get a tour showcasing that new album we were promised. It is going to be a long, long time.   And the reason that it's going to happen, the only reason, is because this is a nice fat money grab.  You cannot tell me with a straight face that  something very fundamental has not changed within the band.  Even worse, I look at what's changing with us as fans. Just a few years ago, I don't think most of us would even have believed that a tour like this would happen. Now as the news gets worse, we continue to pump out excuses for it.

 They are getting closer and closer to becoming Aerosmith or something like that.  They might as well start putting on their clothes from 1987 and do that thing bands do where they stay frozen in the moment when they had their peak popularity.

Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: 73October on June 06, 2017, 08:04:29 AM
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Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

Agreed, 4 guys don't need the money. But add to that all of the parts that make up the u2 juggernaut, and sure, they need the money. LiveNation need the money. Business teams need the money. U2 as 4 guys are only the public face.

The Joshua Tree tour is a massively bankable tour (and by all reports, pretty good too!), they can charge high bucks and get big numbers. We discussed this on another thread.

So no, U2 don't need money. But they have a lot of people to support. They can make as much in a handful of big shows as they can in triple the number of arena shows.

It's good business

 I would argue that it is good business in the very short time, but it is the nail in the coffin of this band in the long run. I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.
It will. There's no denying it anymore.  We are not going to get that new album when we were promised. We are not going to get a tour showcasing that new album we were promised. It is going to be a long, long time.   And the reason that it's going to happen, the only reason, is because this is a nice fat money grab.  You cannot tell me with a straight face that  something very fundamental has not changed within the band.  Even worse, I look at what's changing with us as fans. Just a few years ago, I don't think most of us would even have believed that a tour like this would happen. Now as the news gets worse, we continue to pump out excuses for it.

I still believe SOE WILL come out soon.  Maybe around December 1st, which is a Friday.  The tour will happen, probably starting some time in 2018.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: briscoetheque on June 06, 2017, 08:05:18 AM
I agree with you. I wish they hadn't done it.

But I'll also freely admit I'm a hypocrite like everyone else in the world and will go and see it if it finds its way over here
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Jono on June 06, 2017, 08:22:29 AM
Rock on Briscoe!
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: miryclay on June 06, 2017, 08:43:04 AM
Anyone got a pre-sale code they aren't using?
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Saint1322 on June 06, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
I am trying to remain optimistic that this isn't a reflection of E+I. They are only playing a handful of SA shows, so they might as well get some extra US dates in. Maybe this just means that E+I will begin Down Under and maybe in the Pacific as well and then Europe and the USA will come last, late next fall. I don't think these additional dates will prevent U2 from selling out single-night arenas and two shows each in LA, Boston, Chicago and NYC with a new album and different show. I mean, we are talking about 20,000 seats, and this is still U2.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 11:20:16 AM
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Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

Agreed, 4 guys don't need the money. But add to that all of the parts that make up the u2 juggernaut, and sure, they need the money. LiveNation need the money. Business teams need the money. U2 as 4 guys are only the public face.

The Joshua Tree tour is a massively bankable tour (and by all reports, pretty good too!), they can charge high bucks and get big numbers. We discussed this on another thread.

So no, U2 don't need money. But they have a lot of people to support. They can make as much in a handful of big shows as they can in triple the number of arena shows.

It's good business

 I would argue that it is good business in the very short time, but it is the nail in the coffin of this band in the long run. I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.
It will. There's no denying it anymore.  We are not going to get that new album when we were promised. We are not going to get a tour showcasing that new album we were promised. It is going to be a long, long time.   And the reason that it's going to happen, the only reason, is because this is a nice fat money grab.  You cannot tell me with a straight face that  something very fundamental has not changed within the band.  Even worse, I look at what's changing with us as fans. Just a few years ago, I don't think most of us would even have believed that a tour like this would happen. Now as the news gets worse, we continue to pump out excuses for it.

I still believe SOE WILL come out soon.  Maybe around December 1st, which is a Friday.  The tour will happen, probably starting some time in 2018.

 No. They are going to say that they were so close to finishing it, but then after they extended the tour they were burning up with all of these new ideas that just had to make it into the album, so they need to take more time. And we will pretend like that is a real thing and took the band by surprise.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: The Exile on June 06, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
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I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.

Anyone who'd been paying attention knew that this would be used as an excuse to delay the new album. I mean, they delayed SOI for months because they had the herculean task of writing Ordinary Love, FFS!
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Saint1322 on June 06, 2017, 12:08:23 PM
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I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.

Anyone who'd been paying attention knew that this would be used as an excuse to delay the new album. I mean, they delayed SOI for months because they had the herculean task of writing Ordinary Love, FFS!


I don't mean to argue fine points, but extending this tour isn't an excuse to delay the new album. The new album is going to be released when it is ready, one way or another, TJT tour or no.

If you order an entree, and the waiter says 'It is going to be an hour, do you want an appetizer in the meantime?' ordering the buffalo wings or potato skins isn't changing that hour timeframe, good or bad. That's the way you need to this of this tour; this is a time-filler. They delayed the album and decided to do this tour, not the other way around.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: zoo adam on June 06, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
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Not sure why TJT tour was agreed.

It can't be because they need the money.

Agreed, 4 guys don't need the money. But add to that all of the parts that make up the u2 juggernaut, and sure, they need the money. LiveNation need the money. Business teams need the money. U2 as 4 guys are only the public face.

The Joshua Tree tour is a massively bankable tour (and by all reports, pretty good too!), they can charge high bucks and get big numbers. We discussed this on another thread.

So no, U2 don't need money. But they have a lot of people to support. They can make as much in a handful of big shows as they can in triple the number of arena shows.

It's good business

So U2 are spending 2018 touring TJT for the U2 juggernaut. As they have a lot of people to support. That is very noble of them.

Thought it would have been just as easy to release SOE & tour that. That could have made some money for the other people U2 are supporting. Their previous tours haven't done badly.

At least you agreed it wasn't the other 5 possibilities I mentioned why U2 are touring TJT.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 06, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Blueyedboy on June 06, 2017, 04:49:56 PM
So it seems our reaction to this news is limited to the following.

Option 1. SOE is released in 201X with no band activity leading up to this date.

Option 2. SOE is released in 201X, following a world tour leading up to this date.

Choose which one to be angry about the most.


Or we could simply chill out and enjoy what is happening right in front us.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: trevgreg on June 06, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
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So it seems our reaction to this news is limited to the following.

Option 1. SOE is released in 201X with no band activity leading up to this date.

Option 2. SOE is released in 201X, following a world tour leading up to this date.

Choose which one to be angry about the most.


Or we could simply chill out and enjoy what is happening right in front us.

While all the other reactions I read online are "Hey, U2's finally coming to town!!"
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 05:21:30 PM
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I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.

Anyone who'd been paying attention knew that this would be used as an excuse to delay the new album. I mean, they delayed SOI for months because they had the herculean task of writing Ordinary Love, FFS!


I don't mean to argue fine points, but extending this tour isn't an excuse to delay the new album. The new album is going to be released when it is ready, one way or another, TJT tour or no.

If you order an entree, and the waiter says 'It is going to be an hour, do you want an appetizer in the meantime?' ordering the buffalo wings or potato skins isn't changing that hour timeframe, good or bad. That's the way you need to this of this tour; this is a time-filler. They delayed the album and decided to do this tour, not the other way around.

The more accurate analogy would be if your waiter said the food would be out in 20 minutes, and then 17 minutes into it he announced the chef was sending out an appetizer as a surprise, but it was the same thing you'd already had as an appetizer, and then that became the excuse for why your entree took an extra 2 hours to come out.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 05:22:44 PM
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Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.

Are you really going to pretend they didn't say the new album was just about ready? Ok, there wasn't a contract signed in blood, but this is revisionist.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: monopoly on June 06, 2017, 05:36:28 PM
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Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.

Are you really going to pretend they didn't say the new album was just about ready? Ok, there wasn't a contract signed in blood, but this is revisionist.

They announced it would be ready for 2017 on Christmas. Back in January, the Edge said the album was finished. Completely done, but they decided to hold off on it because of the world and a chance to write/edit more. Bono gave a list of song names in February and lyrics for "Little Things" and "Showman". Now they're playing a new song. The album's been done for months and they could release it digitally any moment they wanted. The word promised was not actually used, but they've been confirming indirectly for months now.
I think its quite obvious extending TJT means postponing the release of SOE. And of course, theres about 2-3 months of SOE promotional work with the album before the next E+I tour can start. Everything is getting pushed the longer its held off.  In my mind, they have until December 31st to release...
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 06, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
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Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.

Are you really going to pretend they didn't say the new album was just about ready? Ok, there wasn't a contract signed in blood, but this is revisionist.

They announced it would be ready for 2017 on Christmas. Back in January, the Edge said the album was finished. Completely done, but they decided to hold off on it because of the world and a chance to write/edit more. Bono gave a list of song names in February and lyrics for "Little Things" and "Showman". Now they're playing a new song. The album's been done for months and they could release it digitally any moment they wanted. The word promised was not actually used, but they've been confirming indirectly for months now.
I think its quite obvious extending TJT means postponing the release of SOE. And of course, theres about 2-3 months of SOE promotional work with the album before the next E+I tour can start. Everything is getting pushed the longer its held off.  In my mind, they have until December 31st to release...

 Right.  I'm not suggesting that fans should sue them or something, but to pretend that they have not been saying this will be out very soon is ridiculous. They have quite specifically said so. However, I am not sure that the album is as finished as we think it is, and I don't think that they can sit on a finished album without trying to redo half of it.  And they certainly are not going to release it while they cannot support any kind of promotion because they are busy playing the Joshua tree.
 It's not so much that this is happening that bugs me, but more that I expect we are going to get a lame excuse.  The real answer is "nostalgia tours apparently make us lots of money".
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Blueyedboy on June 06, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
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Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.

Are you really going to pretend they didn't say the new album was just about ready? Ok, there wasn't a contract signed in blood, but this is revisionist.

They announced it would be ready for 2017 on Christmas. Back in January, the Edge said the album was finished. Completely done, but they decided to hold off on it because of the world and a chance to write/edit more. Bono gave a list of song names in February and lyrics for "Little Things" and "Showman". Now they're playing a new song. The album's been done for months and they could release it digitally any moment they wanted. The word promised was not actually used, but they've been confirming indirectly for months now.
I think its quite obvious extending TJT means postponing the release of SOE. And of course, theres about 2-3 months of SOE promotional work with the album before the next E+I tour can start. Everything is getting pushed the longer its held off.  In my mind, they have until December 31st to release...

 Right.  I'm not suggesting that fans should sue them or something, but to pretend that they have not been saying this will be out very soon is ridiculous. They have quite specifically said so. However, I am not sure that the album is as finished as we think it is, and I don't think that they can sit on a finished album without trying to redo half of it.  And they certainly are not going to release it while they cannot support any kind of promotion because they are busy playing the Joshua tree.
 It's not so much that this is happening that bugs me, but more that I expect we are going to get a lame excuse.  The real answer is "nostalgia tours apparently make us lots of money".

That true, but they also generate a lot of interest for a band that is at the twilight stage of their career.
In a round about way, it could improve the currency of SOE. They boys will be eager to prove that they are not a nostalgia act, and may move away from what is expected of them. We can but hope.
Title: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: aviastar on June 06, 2017, 08:09:36 PM
People seem to be enjoying the tour. They obviously have some material...maybe they need to refine it...but until then we have a really awesome tour.  I would say, just ride the wave and enjoy the now....


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Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: trevgreg on June 06, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
If anyone here has ever tried their hand at writing music and actually recording an album, they'd know that you can finish 12 or so songs and think that they're absolutely great, then come back to them a short time later and be like, "Well, this isn't very good" or "This needs work", etc. Or maybe they get excited about new ideas, decide to work on them and think about incorporating it into whatever they're already working on. Most, if not all, musicians are going to do this to some extent. The only reason this band is held to a different standard is because they do enough interviews or statements to give us a wet appetite, only to not release anything immediately because they're human beings in the end.

Could they just say nothing about a new album until it comes out? Sure. But then we'll wonder if one will ever appear and criticize them for not keeping us posted enough and whatever else. I think all of us have been frustrated at one point or another, which is fine (and human in its own right). But thinking they're terrible people or doing anything really out of the ordinary when you write music in the first place is a bit much, imo.

It hasn't even been three years since SOI came out, and they're regularly playing a new song on tour, so I'm not too antsy about it yet myself. Even more so when I compare this for the SOI wait.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 06, 2017, 10:29:09 PM
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Huh.  We're still gnashing our teeth about what we were "promised"?  I promise you, you weren't "promised" anything.  One would think any long-term fan of this band would have figured this out by now.

Are you really going to pretend they didn't say the new album was just about ready? Ok, there wasn't a contract signed in blood, but this is revisionist.

How is it revisionist? The band has indicated so many things that were delayed or never saw the light of day I've lost count. The two-concert I+E concept? Songs of Ascent? The Rick Rubin album? The three albums at once? Returning immediately to the studio for a quick release after any particular tour? Pop in 1996? The Zooropa triple-cast? The Sega Genesis video game? Are we supposed to be upset about these, too?

Saying an album is just about ready means nothing. Maybe it was. Maybe they were mistaken. Maybe they changed their minds. Maybe a million reasons could exist why they aren't releasing it yet.

I remember people here already expecting SOE in a short time frame virtually the same day that SOI was released at the Apple event, because Bono ran off at the mouth about it. They literally had just been given a new album, and they were already wondering when they would have the next one. How sensible was anyone pinning their hopes on that? And folks whine about it ever since.

There are no promises with this band. They owe nobody anything. I cannot imagine there are long-term fans who haven't realized this by now, but here we are.

Expect an album when they announce an actual, definite release date. Enjoy TJT30 tour in the meantime. Or not. But this band will not be around forever.


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Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: This Dave on June 07, 2017, 04:00:16 AM
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People seem to be enjoying the tour. They obviously have some material...maybe they need to refine it...but until then we have a really awesome tour.  I would say, just ride the wave and enjoy the now....


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I'm sure fans on the Aerosmith forums say the same thing.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 07, 2017, 07:14:39 AM
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I would prefer they not have done this type of tour to begin with, but I had come to except that this was going to be a Quick jaunt and then back to making new music. It is getting longer and longer. There is an excuse every time for how this won't impact things.

Anyone who'd been paying attention knew that this would be used as an excuse to delay the new album. I mean, they delayed SOI for months because they had the herculean task of writing Ordinary Love, FFS!


I don't mean to argue fine points, but extending this tour isn't an excuse to delay the new album. The new album is going to be released when it is ready, one way or another, TJT tour or no.

If you order an entree, and the waiter says 'It is going to be an hour, do you want an appetizer in the meantime?' ordering the buffalo wings or potato skins isn't changing that hour timeframe, good or bad. That's the way you need to this of this tour; this is a time-filler. They delayed the album and decided to do this tour, not the other way around.

The more accurate analogy would be if your waiter said the food would be out in 20 minutes, and then 17 minutes into it he announced the chef was sending out an appetizer as a surprise, but it was the same thing you'd already had as an appetizer, and then that became the excuse for why your entree took an extra 2 hours to come out.

I'll be pedantic; it's like neither of those things.  This is like if there was a store front that said "Coming Soon: A New Restaurant!" and standing outside the door, starving, and being mad at the proprietor for not opening his restaurant so you can buy lunch.

Nobody's ordered an entrée.  There is no entrée.  We can be disappointed that a new album isn't out--that the new restaurant isn't open yet, even though it seems ready--but in the meantime, I'd say get lunch somewhere else.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: 73October on June 07, 2017, 07:22:23 AM
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I'll be pedantic; it's like neither of those things.  This is like if there was a store front that said "Coming Soon: A New Restaurant!" and standing outside the door, starving, and being mad at the proprietor for not opening his restaurant so you can buy lunch.

Nobody's ordered an entrée.  There is no entrée.  We can be disappointed that a new album isn't out--that the new restaurant isn't open yet, even though it seems ready--but in the meantime, I'd say get lunch somewhere else.

This analogy slightly concerns me:  We had a store in my town with a sign in the window that said something like 'New Restaurant-Coming Soon' and months went by and still the sign read the same thing until one day the owners of the building took down the signage and covered the windows with some kind of decorated window coverings.  The restaurant still isn't open - and never will.
I really do hope that SOE does come out and sometime soon.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: Johnny Feathers on June 07, 2017, 07:27:39 AM
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I'll be pedantic; it's like neither of those things.  This is like if there was a store front that said "Coming Soon: A New Restaurant!" and standing outside the door, starving, and being mad at the proprietor for not opening his restaurant so you can buy lunch.

Nobody's ordered an entrée.  There is no entrée.  We can be disappointed that a new album isn't out--that the new restaurant isn't open yet, even though it seems ready--but in the meantime, I'd say get lunch somewhere else.

This analogy slightly concerns me:  We had a store in my town with a sign in the window that said something like 'New Restaurant-Coming Soon' and months went by and still the sign read the same thing until one day the owners of the building took down the signage and covered the windows with some kind of decorated window coverings.  The restaurant still isn't open - and never will.
I really do hope that SOE does come out and sometime soon.

And I get that.  The thing is, every album any band releases COULD be their last.  The next one may never come, for a million reasons.  I get disappointment, or thinking the band has maybe lost their nerve, or whatever.  But it just seems like there are folks who take that to a level of indignation that simply isn't justified.
Title: Re: ATU2 JT RUMOR- extended dates in USA
Post by: 73October on June 07, 2017, 07:39:40 AM
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I'll be pedantic; it's like neither of those things.  This is like if there was a store front that said "Coming Soon: A New Restaurant!" and standing outside the door, starving, and being mad at the proprietor for not opening his restaurant so you can buy lunch.

Nobody's ordered an entrée.  There is no entrée.  We can be disappointed that a new album isn't out--that the new restaurant isn't open yet, even though it seems ready--but in the meantime, I'd say get lunch somewhere else.

This analogy slightly concerns me:  We had a store in my town with a sign in the window that said something like 'New Restaurant-Coming Soon' and months went by and still the sign read the same thing until one day the owners of the building took down the signage and covered the windows with some kind of decorated window coverings.  The restaurant still isn't open - and never will.
I really do hope that SOE does come out and sometime soon.

And I get that.  The thing is, every album any band releases COULD be their last.  The next one may never come, for a million reasons.  I get disappointment, or thinking the band has maybe lost their nerve, or whatever.  But it just seems like there are folks who take that to a level of indignation that simply isn't justified.
Agreed - there is no need for indignation