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Title: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: So Cruel on September 12, 2017, 12:03:56 PM
I had an interesting conversation with a few friends the other day. A few weeks ago we saw G n R at the same stadium U2 played earlier this year. 2 of my buddies thought G n R was one of the best shows they've seen in a long time. I thought G n R played well and put on a good performance but the show was just to long. They played for 3:20 and as a casual fan the show dragged to much. For every great song like Estranged, Night Train, Civil War, etc.. you'd have to sit through 4 Chinese Democracy songs, a slew of covers, the bass player singing a song. If they would have cut it down to 2:30 it would have been great.

When I said this to my buddies on of them replied that this G n R show was better then U2 has been since the Elevation tour and that Bono could take a lesson from Axl Rose and move his fat ass so he isn't a statue singing standing at the mike stand all show. (Bono didn't move much at our JT show). My other buddy who is a casual fan of both bands thought G n R were better as well. He said he was a bit disappointed in the U2 show and didn't think it was worth the money.

My thoughts are that as performers G n R were better. Axl's voice is much stronger then Bono's is now and him and Slash were running all over the stage. For my own enjoyment I liked the U2 show better. I'm a lot bigger fan of U2 and the show didn't drag at certain points like G n R's did. Ms Sarajevo was a big miss as well as the women's rights version of UltraViolet, and the band (especially Bono) were not as energetic as they used to be, but it was still a solid show.

Anyone else see both shows and how do they compare against each other?
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: cabral255 on September 12, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
I could not take Guns and Roses seriously because Axl Rose now looks like Carrot Top

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Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: u2live on September 12, 2017, 12:44:16 PM
to each their own, I saw G'N'R in 2002 and was probably the worst show I've seen in my life
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: So Cruel on September 12, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
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to each their own, I saw G'N'R in 2002 and was probably the worst show I've seen in my life

That was imitation G n R though, wasn't it? (No original members other then Axl).
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Post by: u2live on September 12, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
it was but man was it awful.........
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: So Cruel on September 12, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
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I could not take Guns and Roses seriously because Axl Rose now looks like Carrot Top

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Very true. The plastic surgeon wasn't kind to Axl.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: miami on September 12, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
I haven't been to either show, but for what it's worth, I've seen a lot of footage from both tours on YouTube and from what I can garner, I think i would've enjoyed seeing guns n roses more than the Joshua tree tour. Exit, asoh and ttyw are the only songs which would have interested me. The set-list, as usual, lacked any imagination whatsoever. Come on u2, surely you are getting as bored as even the most casual fan of playing the same old bombastic tripe. It's got so predictable that I don't think I ever want to see them live again.

Guns n roses in comparison are just more energetic and more up for it than u2 seem to be these days. So yes, guns n roses for me.

Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: So Cruel on September 12, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
The first time I saw G n R was way back when I was in Gr. 8. Went with a buddy to see Iron Maiden. A little known band named Guns n Roses opened for them. Welcome to the Jungle was getting some play on TV so I knew that song but for the most part the crowd didn't pay attention. A few weeks later Sweet Child of Mine was released and G n R skyrocketed to one of the biggest bands on the planet.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: acrobat62 on September 12, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
Hmmm, have never seen GnR live, but I do enjoy me some Appetite.  Having said that, GnR hadn't toured as any semblance of the original lineup since 1993 until 2012 a 19 year "break".    Oh, and how much new music have they come out with in that time........oh yea, 1 album of debatable quality. 

U2, in that time , 1993 - 2012 4 tours to record breaking crowds and released 4 albums of new work, I know, debatable in quality as well.  So who has been more active?

Since 2012 U2 has had an additional new album and toured twice (one in progress), GnR, still no new music and two tours.

Not sure the point I am tying to make other then, it really is not a reasonable apples to apples comparison.  I think I would like to have more new music and tours as U2 has offered then the lack of production GnR have, especially if you are going to compare a single show on a single tour. 
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: monopoly on September 12, 2017, 02:35:39 PM
I think if it were IE this year, there would be no comparison
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: CrisSky on September 12, 2017, 05:20:06 PM
Will see the Joshua Tree tour on Thursday in New Orleans, but I did see 360 Denver and I&E NYC. Saw GNR last year in Dallas which is still pretty much the same show they are touring today. I'll get back to this after seen the show on Thursday. In general though:

I personally think U2 is superior.

Guns N Roses deliver a high paced rock n roll show with flashy lights, pyro, and led screens. It's great, but it isn't much different from many other bands that do the same. If you generally like that kinda music then I think U2's style may just be to... Well, it may not be for you. That's why I think a lot of people that go see both will prefer GNR.

I think the U2 show is heavier... And no I don't mean heavy as a genre. Or their physical weight. 8)
It's an event that I think their core audience knows can be spectacular and it keeps a certain tension and excitement to the shows. A U2 show may have moments where you think, "is this even good"? And then out of no where they do something that is just incredible. I think that alone keeps them in front for me. I love both bands and can understand why someone would prefer one or the other.

Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: zedg on September 12, 2017, 09:13:24 PM
Saw GNR earlier this year and was really great.
My gig went for approx 2h20 or so which was perfect.

High energy, loud rock spectacle.

TJT tour is low energy and somewhat boring by comparison, but the music of both bands is completely different so you can't really compare.
..with GNR you have two guitarists so a fuller more rocking sound, plenty long guitar solos. It's a full on rock n roll show, where you wouldn't really classify U2's as that really.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: robgalloway on September 13, 2017, 06:24:31 AM
I'm a Massive U2 and GnR fan ... I saw U2 last on the SOI and I saw GnR a few months ago in The Netherlands. Both are ace. I think U2 put on the better show but Guns n Roses was amazing. If GnR played for 2 hours then they would beat U2 all day long but they played for 3hrs 45 when I saw them. Which was ace but also a bit too much. It felt like two gigs at once. It was nice to see GnR play for that long because I've waited since I was 8 years old in 1991 to see those guys together.


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Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: trevgreg on September 13, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
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I had an interesting conversation with a few friends the other day. A few weeks ago we saw G n R at the same stadium U2 played earlier this year. 2 of my buddies thought G n R was one of the best shows they've seen in a long time. I thought G n R played well and put on a good performance but the show was just to long. They played for 3:20 and as a casual fan the show dragged to much. For every great song like Estranged, Night Train, Civil War, etc.. you'd have to sit through 4 Chinese Democracy songs, a slew of covers, the bass player singing a song. If they would have cut it down to 2:30 it would have been great.

Like Zedg and CrisSky alluded to, it's hard to make a comparison between the two just because of some fundamental differences in what the bands represent and what type of show they want to put out there. In the end, it's really going to come down which band you prefer, probably.

They do put up a longer show, which either makes fans feel like they got their money's worth or that fans think drags on a bit. I suspect the extended solos and Duff singing a cover are in there to sort of give Axl a break and a breather (I thought that he sang quite well too, honestly... especially considering all the years that have gone by). But go to the GNR forum and it's the exact same set list discussions we have on here... so they're not going to make everyone happy regardless of what they do.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/217524-same-setlist-different-day/

Fwiw, the Chinese Democracy songs didn't sound out of place for me really. And if they skipped those, the GNR fans might be up in arms about them "ignoring" a part of their history, etc. etc. It's actually kind of cool that Slash and Duff were amenable to playing them too, which makes sense since they were complimentary towards it in the past.

I saw GNR over a month ago and it was a really great show, I thought. It's hard to make the comparison to U2 though just because I've seen the later so many times. It'd be easy to hold GNR above TJT shows as a one-off, but would I feel the same way after seeing GNR three times on a tour as well? Hard to tell.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: u2live on September 13, 2017, 08:23:44 AM
tough to compare the two, one band plays high energy rock while the other has many types of sounds.........

I prefer a range of emotion but to each their own.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: rlabs19 on September 13, 2017, 11:39:12 AM
Haven't seen any videos/setlists/reviews of GnR tour, and I'm confident in saying U2's tour >>>>>>>> GnR tour.

U2 has had more than one incredible album, Bono can still sing, and U2 isn't one of the most overrated bands in history.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: miryclay on September 13, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
I've seen GNR five times over 25 years. I think it's time that they get new material out. They are playing the same setlist as 93. Now that the old cronnies are back it's time to create new stuff. The act as a whole seems to have matured tremendously.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: AC on September 13, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
Monster fan of both, seen both tours twice this year - But I feel I get my money's worth with GNR. Traveled to St. Louis and Little Rock for GNR and to Tampa and Boston for U2.

My reasoning:

Axl has reclaimed the "Ultimate Frontman" crown from Bono/Jagger/Etc in my opinion. He hits all his marks and never stops moving onstage. I've talked to a lot of fans who think he is better now overall than he was during Use Your Illusion tour, etc. He's also gotten to back to slinging one-liners to loosen the audience up. Bono, seems to just be posing a lot and really rehashes all of the same talking points show to show -  Pretty much like a politician. I thought during the Tampa show his voice was a bit off for a lot of the show. Exit was the only song I felt that got Bono really electrified during either show I saw.

Slash and Edge are a little harder to compare because that's apples and oranges. But Slash's "Godfather" solo is clearly a focal point that I've yet to see anyone head for the bathroom during.

The setlist for GNR again is superior to me personally. I love feeling like I get my money's worth after a 3.5 - 4 hour show. GNR has been throwing in Who, AC/DC, Neil Young and Glen Campbell covers which are really fun to watch. They are clearly more into playing a rarity like My Michelle or Yesterday's than U2 has been into playing Trip Through Your Wires or One Tree Hill.

The stage at U2's show is really something to behold and I will say that GNR could do much more with their stage design. It really is a rehash of the Stone's Zip Code stage without the long catwalk. But I felt a lot of times my eyes were watching the screen at JT30 instead of getting in-tune with the music or watching the band.

Last but not least - MERCH. GNR is really hitting it out of the park. Limited edition lithographs and T-shirts at every show make it feel special. Their overall line is better pound for pound. I always get merch at U2's shows, but I find their swag lacking.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: Argo on September 13, 2017, 10:51:16 PM
I saw both tours but find it really hard to compare them. I like U2 more than GNR but had never seen GNR before and Axl was very good. But the music is just too different for me to compare them. Just glad I got to see both at the end of the day. Both very good but different experiences.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: fardreamer on September 14, 2017, 02:47:10 PM
I can't believe people are seriously comparing Guns n Roses to U2. That's one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've ever seen. It's like asking if Manchester United and the New England Patriots played who'd win? 

Also, ever considered that Bono is more static these days because of the quite serious injuries he copied a couple of years ago. I think it slowed him down a lot.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: JTNash on September 14, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
It's like having a ychat (U2)and comparing it to a cool ski boat no comparison
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: So Cruel on September 14, 2017, 03:16:09 PM
Both are heritage rock bands that filled the same stadiums this year. Their music has obvious differences, but let's not act like it's a comparison between The Wiggles and Black Sabbath
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 14, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
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It's like having a ychat (U2)and comparing it to a cool ski boat no comparison
Good analogy, JT.  Very on point!
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: fardreamer on September 14, 2017, 03:55:15 PM
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Both are heritage rock bands that filled the same stadiums this year. Their music has obvious differences, but let's not act like it's a comparison between The Wiggles and Black Sabbath

Sorry but yeah I think the comparison is exactly that crazy.

And I'll grant you GnR is a heritage act, but I don't see how U2 are considering they're still actively recording and releasing new material.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: JTNash on September 14, 2017, 04:39:41 PM
And GnR is like rent a musicans and Axel, it's not even the original band.  They have put out half the music U2 has
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Post by: briscoetheque on September 14, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
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I could not take Guns and Roses seriously because Axl Rose now looks like Carrot Top

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I think he looks more like Melissa McCarthy as Sean spicer...
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Post by: So Cruel on September 14, 2017, 04:54:48 PM
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And GnR is like rent a musicans and Axel, it's not even the original band.  They have put out half the music U2 has

Slash and Duff McGagen have been back for over a year. No where in this thread was anyone comparing the 2 bands catalogues, current music, past music, etc...

The question was for people who have seen both bands current shows, which one they enjoyed more.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: AC on September 14, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
This place is a pit of negativity. Peace.
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Post by: JTNash on September 14, 2017, 07:40:37 PM
I left GnR early
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: WookieeWarrior10 on September 14, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
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And GnR is like rent a musicans and Axel, it's not even the original band.  They have put out half the music U2 has

Slash and Duff McGagen have been back for over a year. No where in this thread was anyone comparing the 2 bands catalogues, current music, past music, etc...

The question was for people who have seen both bands current shows, which one they enjoyed more.

Right. A lot of people on this forum have developed a condescending attitude towards fans of other artists, and that thinking shouldn't have any place on @U2. This forum is a fantastic place for discussion of music in general, not exclusively U2, so differing views should be encouraged.

I'm not a Guns N Roses fan myself, but this thread brings up an interesting comparison.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: achtung child on September 17, 2017, 12:51:31 AM
The comparison is a bit impossible.  I saw GNR last year, and it was pretty incredible.  I was a bit wary of it all, but they smartly played into the Illusion-Era Guns.  After Izzy left, it was only three original members anyhow.  It was as if they picked up right off where that left off.  The improvement was night and day.  They still played most of the same set from a '92 or '93 show, but the pacing and selection was much better.   Slash and Duff have aged incredibly well, given previous habits.

The only thing I can say Guns did better than any of U2's shows is they dug deeper.  They could have easily ignored any of the albums outside of Appetite and a few other hits and covers, but they played Coma.  That would be like if U2 played God pt. 2 or Acrobat.  It's ten minutes long with three interludes that only diehards know, but the entire crowd went nuts. They were clearly out to play what they wanted to and weren't self conscious about pandering to what the audience wants.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: xy on September 17, 2017, 09:06:07 AM
Axl has reclaimed the "Ultimate Frontman" crown from Bono/Jagger/Etc in my opinion.

Now I haven't seen U2 on JT30 (I intend to on the resumed I/E tour), I did see GnR in this tour. 2:45 if a few too many covers they are a really good nostalgia show. As for frontman...I don't know. Axl keeps running backstage (oxygen?) and vocals if at times good I feel at times he sounds whiny, I feel Jagger (Bruce as well) is better. Or, someone closer to that age, Dave Gahan from DM.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: CrisSky on September 18, 2017, 12:57:48 PM
Ok, so now I have experienced both shows in question. Now, while I believe both bands are performing at a really high level at the moment and both tours are top notch. The Joshua Tree show just did way more for me. After reading lots of criticism on these boards about this Joshua Tree Tour I went in with no expectations. I was blown away. Maybe New Orleans just had a great crowd and a slightly better set list now that "Miss Sarajevo" is out of the encore and we also got a last minute "I Will Follow". The sound on the floor was massive and very clear. Yeah, while I respect other opinions on this subject, for me it's U2, and not just in general, but on their current tours as well. With that in mind, they are completely different bands and it's kinda hard to compare. Just depends on the person and what they like to even what state of mind they are in. I'm just glad they are both in fine form.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: aviastar on September 18, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
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Ok, so now I have experienced both shows in question. Now, while I believe both bands are performing at a really high level at the moment and both tours are top notch. The Joshua Tree show just did way more for me. After reading lots of criticism on these boards about this Joshua Tree Tour I went in with no expectations. I was blown away. Maybe New Orleans just had a great crowd and a slightly better set list now that "Miss Sarajevo" is out of the encore and we also got a last minute "I Will Follow". The sound on the floor was massive and very clear. Yeah, while I respect other opinions on this subject, for me it's U2, and not just in general, but on their current tours as well. With that in mind, they are completely different bands and it's kinda hard to compare. Just depends on the person and what they like to even what state of mind they are in. I'm just glad they are both in fine form.

I can't speak for Guns and Roses (not my type of music), but the U2 TJT tour has been a pretty smashing success.  I saw 2 shows and it was fantastic both times.  I just don't think anyone puts on a show quite like U2 does.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: Krazejeff on September 19, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
I'm going to make a fair assessment. I'm a gnr fan and was Ga at U2 in Toronto rogers centre and row 21 for guns in front of slash for gnr.

Axl puts a lot of effort in to his music and considering the last year or 2 what he has did he is really kicking butt for his age.

Bono was low key very mellow for U2.


I think the fans were 10 times more of a party for gnr, but look at the fans, there is a major difference, gnr was absolutely s show but fun. U2 fans were much more mature in behaviour.

One thing to note gnr put their best effort in, fans waited a long time for this also, slash is a legend.

U2 it was just another concert.

I see U2 as a very political, and world issue band, and Bono is playing writing songs about what he finds relative in the world.

Guns n roses songs are about drugs, women, partying, and just good sex drugs and rock n roll.  The purpose meaning of their music is different they both need to be appreciated for their position in the musical landscape.

I highly recommend gnr because they are doing everything they can to make sure fans get a great show.

I highly recommend U2 because their ship may be sailing soon.

Gnr may never do another tour after this one so see it if you haven't, because they will not let you down.


Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: bwm231163 on September 22, 2017, 05:45:21 AM
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I see U2 as a very political, and world issue band, and Bono is playing writing songs about what he finds relative in the world.

Guns n roses songs are about drugs, women, partying, and just good sex drugs and rock n roll.  The purpose meaning of their music is different they both need to be appreciated for their position in the musical landscape.

I donít entirely agree with this. As well as some of the lighter numbers, anyone attending a GNR show will hear songs about marital breakdown (Estranged), suicide (Coma) and addiction (Mr Brownstone). Axl has written his share of meaningful lyrics over the years.

I havenít seen a JT show, so canít directly compare tours. But I do think they are both excellent bands. The biggest difference is the woeful lack of new material from GNR. Since 1993, they have released 1 studio album, compared to 5 for U2.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: Gavin82 on September 24, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
I seen GnR in Stockholm 1 of the longest shows in EU having grown up with U2 GnR & DC it was AMAZING they did everything bar Get In The Ring they did 31 tracks Slash totally kicks ass he works so hard how on earth he wears them leather trousers ill never  know his solo was 10/10 of course Axl sounds different now he is getting older Friends Arena is a closed venue BUT also seen them out doors & it was much much better im really hoping we get Arenas nx year in EU its a total cash cow tho & LN Sweden are terrible was messed around loads by them.

Seen U2 in Twickenham while this is only my 2nd tour i loved seeing R H M T & I G C & R T S S live for 1st time just the screen in day light was a let down for me these are 2 totally  different shows GnR are full of energy & fast paced while id say the is JT has its moments

See Guns while you can if your a fan
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: the_chief on October 03, 2017, 07:07:30 AM
Saw both.

Both were great. Two of the best gigs I've seen. Can't compare a high energy heavy rock band with an all rounder band. May as well compare Slipknot with Simon and Garfunkal then.

One thing I will say....To the poster who said earlier that Axl's voice is currently better than Bono's, I want whatever drugs you're on. It is anything but!
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: Kazaer on December 02, 2017, 02:20:56 AM
I've seen them both perform in 2017. While the JT show was very nice, it does rank as my second to last U2 show (360 being the absolute worst). G'n'R really knocked it out of the ball park. I absolutely rate that show higher this year than U2.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: redrunningred on December 04, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
I don't think Axl's voice is better then Bono's now.  Bono's has aged but I think it has aged well. Axl might be able to hit certain notes but he sounds like an awful air raid siren while doing so.  GnR's show didn't have the power and intensity of U2's.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: judas1 on December 15, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
I saw both tours, JT 5 times, and GNR, once at the Garden, which I had suite on the side of the stage, which gives you a great perception of the show.
For U2, I was on the floor for all 5.  As a whole, U2 was a better show.  Settings wise for the show, I think the money U2 put into the screen, cost more than the fireworks, that 80's hair metal band can always get away with.  Bono has had some health issues which slowed him down and imagine if he took a fall from the stage from the JT, they were pretty far up, which also made it harder for the band to connect closer with the fans on the floor, unlike SOI.  I thought GNR was great, but there were times during the show I could actually have conversations with my friends and feel like I wouldn't miss a beat. GNR hasn't played together for over 25 years, so fan excitement was high, and if you caught U2 in 2015, and 17, maybe the wow factor isn't there, no speaking for myself.  I also couldn't have cared less that U2 did a JT tour, I loved it, but I didn't crave it, and I know a lot of other die hards didn't care one way or the other.  If it was and Achtung Baby, that would be a different level of excitement compared to the JT tour.
Title: Re: U2 JT tour vs Guns N Roses 2017 tour
Post by: miryclay on December 21, 2017, 06:35:50 AM
I've seen GNR 5 times lifetime. It's great that their tour is a success but it's time for new material. I thought the Chinese Democracy material held up well during NITL tour.