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Title: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Vox on January 25, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
Kendrick Lamar to open show with U2 (and Dave Chappelle).  As a Kendrick Lamar fan, I'm excited to see what they do.  Maybe Kendrick starts out with "XXX" with Bono in the back, then the full band as Kendrick segues into "American Soul," with Dave Chappelle introducing them or having a monologue in the midst of it, or something.  Probably with anti-he-who-must-not-named images on the screens -- wouldn't be hard to see that coming.  Should be interesting, at least!     

http://www.eonline.com/news/909028/kendrick-lamar-to-open-2018-grammys-with-u2-and-dave-chappelle
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 25, 2018, 06:00:07 PM
I kind of figured this would happen when Lamar and U2 were announced to also perform a few weeks back.  My gut feeling is that Lamar will start with one of his songs and as he gets towards the end of his song, he will begin the opening portion of American Soul as U2 appears and they kick into to American Soul. No clue what Dave Chappelle will be doing. 
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Tim Wallach on January 26, 2018, 07:16:50 AM
The clips the news was showing of them rehearsing would seem to validate that it's American Soul for sure.

Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: u2live on January 26, 2018, 07:18:56 AM
VERTIGO part 3 to open the Grammy's............ nothing new here
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Tim Wallach on January 26, 2018, 07:25:19 AM
They just seem a bit tone deaf these days. I know they're proud of that song, but I guarantee 95% of the viewers will see it as more second-rate Bono bluster.

If they really wanted to make a statement about their record and what it stands for, one of the more personal ones would have been awesome. Imagine Love is All We Have Left? I know, pipe dream. Still. Or even Red Flag Day. But I guess it wouldn't flow well with Kendrick.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: u2live on January 26, 2018, 07:26:37 AM
Then at the end of the show my guess is all artists come on stage together and sing ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: skelter on January 26, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
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They just seem a bit tone deaf these days. I know they're proud of that song, but I guarantee 95% of the viewers will see it as more second-rate Bono bluster.

If they really wanted to make a statement about their record and what it stands for, one of the more personal ones would have been awesome. Imagine Love is All We Have Left? I know, pipe dream. Still. Or even Red Flag Day. But I guess it wouldn't flow well with Kendrick.
yup. They can't play non-singles for something so mainstream. They will play AS and further embarrass themselves in the public eye. What can you do?
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: DPardue on January 26, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
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They just seem a bit tone deaf these days. I know they're proud of that song, but I guarantee 95% of the viewers will see it as more second-rate Bono bluster.

If they really wanted to make a statement about their record and what it stands for, one of the more personal ones would have been awesome. Imagine Love is All We Have Left?

I like this idea...a lot.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: The Bonzo on January 27, 2018, 10:03:54 AM
http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/01/26/u2-live-grammys-performance-not-really-live/comments/

Looks like U2 pre-recorded their bit for the grammys
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 27, 2018, 10:33:15 AM
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They just seem a bit tone deaf these days. I know they're proud of that song, but I guarantee 95% of the viewers will see it as more second-rate Bono bluster.

If they really wanted to make a statement about their record and what it stands for, one of the more personal ones would have been awesome. Imagine Love is All We Have Left? I know, pipe dream. Still. Or even Red Flag Day. But I guess it wouldn't flow well with Kendrick.

I don't get this comment.  If you say they are proud of the song, then why not play it?  Maybe that is what they want to do.  I do not for a second see it as them embarrassing themselves.  For me personally, I like the song, but I would love to hear something else, but this is their song and if they are proud of it, it is up to them to play it and that seems like what they are doing.

The last comment about this being pre-recorded sounds odd, but it makes some sense.  Why have all the graphics/images if it is just a rehearsal?  So that story of the grammy performance will just be a recording in-between what Lamar is doing sounds like it could be.  Or the Story is wrong and they were filming a video for the song.  Seems odd for them not to perform live being they are in NY.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: miryclay on January 28, 2018, 10:11:51 AM
Probably a mixture of both
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on January 28, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
watching it now. short appearance of U2. i will have to watch the whole show for U2. torture. :-(
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 05:42:52 PM
Yeah, not too much U2.  Bono & Edge appear shortly, Edge plays guitar during Lamar's opening song, then they both walk towards the front and they sing a bit of Get of your Own Way as they walk forward and that was it.  They did get a huge reaction however from the crowd when Bono and Edge near the front of the stage...but that was it.  Really thought they were going to actually play a full song.   Wonder if they will be on a bit later, but not banking on it.  I also wonder what the whole barge thing was about now. 
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on January 28, 2018, 05:48:08 PM
yes, i heard the voices of the fans. my gosh, if that's the only appearance of U2, i don't think it's fair.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: grhawi on January 28, 2018, 06:05:24 PM
They are not coming back.  If so, they would be promoting it. 
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
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They are not coming back.  If so, they would be promoting it. 

Agree...I was just on face book and they had an advertisement and Lamar is mentioned completely separate and then U2 is mentioned in the promo real.  But I agree, I think that was it unless they play that barge footage at the end of the show.  But I think that was it.  At least they got a huge applause!  That is something. lol
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: michaelz on January 28, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
Thought they had a pre recorded segment...
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 06:13:56 PM
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Thought they had a pre recorded segment...

That is what TMZ was reporting...that the pre-recorded thing was American Soul.  Variety also reported it, but their version was that the pre-recording was going to start the show, then cut to Lamar and then U2 would appear live on stage to sing Get on your own way...but that was all speculation.  We know the footage of the barge is real though and it most likely was American Soul.  Perhaps it was a video shoot for an upcoming video?
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on January 28, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
just announced : U2 will perform! yoohoo!!!!!
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: grhawi on January 28, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
I stand corrected. They are coming back. They just announced it.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
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just announced : U2 will perform! yoohoo!!!!!

They also said in a unique way...I think it is the barge footage.  Hopefully it is the barge footage and then they also appear live to do Get on your own way.  Just excited for them to have more air time.  Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: grhawi on January 28, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I canít imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2ís appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 06:38:25 PM
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I can’t imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2’s appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.

I am not in the industry or anything, but I don't think getting U2 on a show like this would be a hard thing to do.  U2 is still pretty popular, just look at the tour from last year them having the biggest tour of the year.  U2 still commands a lot of attention and I don't believe it was a hard sale to get them on the show.

Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 06:46:29 PM
They just announced U2 again, this time they say U2 is rocking the harbor in New York City.  So this looks to be the barge footage or U2 is live on the barge. 
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on January 28, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
what a great performance!
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: Stateless on January 28, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
I agree it was a really good performance.  I kind of wish it was live on stage, but I love the fact that they did it with the statue of liberty in the background.  They sounded good and is was very good overall.  I also like the intro they got which was great.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: ToRontoRon on January 28, 2018, 08:09:42 PM
They were great.  I'm addicted to Get Out Of Your Own Way right now.  Glad they played that instead of American Soul...  I just don't like that they followed that emotional Kesha performance.  I was hoping they'd go to a commercial, or give an award, or do anything but go straight from Kesha to U2 like that.  I feel like U2's great performance will be forgotten because of what preceded it.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: iced on January 29, 2018, 05:20:40 AM
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I canít imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2ís appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.


LOL...

What were you smoking when you wrote that??

I want some..

This is U2...

We could write 20 threads full of artist/bands that were "more popular" than U2 but they're all either dead, retired or currently touring Indian casinos in the U.S.

U2 is still the biggest band on the planet.

I had a good laugh...
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on January 29, 2018, 07:52:20 AM
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I canít imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2ís appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.

No doubt there is probably some truth to this.   What a difference 10 years makes.   I could make an argument that SOE is worthy of an album of the year nod for next year, and that LIBTAIIW may be worthy of a song of the year nom, but that would have to be in a parallel universe.   That is obviously no longer an award show for a rock band.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: grhawi on January 29, 2018, 09:50:29 AM
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I canít imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2ís appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.


LOL...

What were you smoking when you wrote that??

I want some..

This is U2...

We could write 20 threads full of artist/bands that were "more popular" than U2 but they're all either dead, retired or currently touring Indian casinos in the U.S.

U2 is still the biggest band on the planet.

I had a good laugh...

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Artists' appearances on shows like that do not happen with quick phone call or an email.  They are the result of lawyers and executives arguing and negotiating for weeks over contract terms which dictate the strict parameters of the performance/appearance.  U2's executive team did an outstanding job leveraging their diminished (but still-formidable) weight in the industry to get U2 exactly what they wanted.  Trust me - the Grammy people were not beating down U2's door begging them to perform a new and relatively unknown song on a barge in the Hudson River.  This was something U2 and their team masterminded, pitched, and fought tooth and nail for.  Ten years makes a huge difference.  This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.   
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: JTNash on January 29, 2018, 10:35:06 AM
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As someone peripherally involved in the music industry on the legal side, I canít imagine the hellacious stress and weeks of dealmaking Oseary and his team had to go through to negotiate U2ís appearances on this show, given this late stage in their career, their commercial decline, and the fact they are not nominated for anything.


LOL...

What were you smoking when you wrote that??

I want some..

This is U2...

We could write 20 threads full of artist/bands that were "more popular" than U2 but they're all either dead, retired or currently touring Indian casinos in the U.S.

U2 is still the biggest band on the planet.

I had a good laugh...

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Artists' appearances on shows like that do not happen with quick phone call or an email.  They are the result of lawyers and executives arguing and negotiating for weeks over contract terms which dictate the strict parameters of the performance/appearance.  U2's executive team did an outstanding job leveraging their diminished (but still-formidable) weight in the industry to get U2 exactly what they wanted.  Trust me - the Grammy people were not beating down U2's door begging them to perform a new and relatively unknown song on a barge in the Hudson River.  This was something U2 and their team masterminded, pitched, and fought tooth and nail for.  Ten years makes a huge difference.  This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.   
right maybe if they were cold play.

I too work in the Muz Buz and U2 can do whatever they want still yes still!

They may of had to hash out details of the performance, timing and production but their management didnít have to fight for a spot.

The old guard who votes for Grammys love U2 they are from their generation.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: 1985 on January 29, 2018, 05:56:54 PM
Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS? Theyíre a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...thatís where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: iced on January 31, 2018, 05:10:21 AM
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This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.

Of course it is...

It's fun to be a pretend lawyer working for CBS and the Grammy's isn't it?

Of course lawyers and industry folks work and work to meet a promotional deadline.

Why argue?

But U2's fanbase in 2008 isn't that much larger or smaller in 2018.

Whatever bad publicity they achieved with the Apple dump doesn't marginal their act as the biggest band on the planet!

Something they greatly achieved in numbers by both past grandeur and unfortunate luck in 2000's.

Honestly, opening up for the premier telecast of "The Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon was a much, much bigger deal!

Pretty sure that also wasn't done in a couple of days.

Are you a lawyer working for CBS??

If so, Les Moonves should have you fired!

Are you suggesting U2 was sent off LIVE into the abyss of obscurity via a barge...because their just not that popular anymore??

Personally, I like the song and think it's one of their strongest of the album.

Instead, I think the folks at CBS (wanted a very big band) and thought U2 on a barge in NYC was a good (no great!) idea.

And it was a good promotional neat-neat think for a particular demographic that the network obviously desires.

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Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS?

Theyíre a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...thatís where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.

Clearly there's lots of monkey work to be tweaked.

But mind you, it's still fuc**_ _U2!

There is no second act to be had.

It's just them.
Title: Re: U2 and Kendrick Lamar to Open Grammys
Post by: grhawi on January 31, 2018, 09:18:02 AM
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This is not the U2 of 2008 that could basically show up unannounced and do whatever they wanted, whenever and however.

Of course it is...

It's fun to be a pretend lawyer working for CBS and the Grammy's isn't it?

Of course lawyers and industry folks work and work to meet a promotional deadline.

Why argue?

But U2's fanbase in 2008 isn't that much larger or smaller in 2018.

Whatever bad publicity they achieved with the Apple dump doesn't marginal their act as the biggest band on the planet!

Something they greatly achieved in numbers by both past grandeur and unfortunate luck in 2000's.

Honestly, opening up for the premier telecast of "The Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon was a much, much bigger deal!

Pretty sure that also wasn't done in a couple of days.

Are you a lawyer working for CBS??

If so, Les Moonves should have you fired!

Are you suggesting U2 was sent off LIVE into the abyss of obscurity via a barge...because their just not that popular anymore??

Personally, I like the song and think it's one of their strongest of the album.

Instead, I think the folks at CBS (wanted a very big band) and thought U2 on a barge in NYC was a good (no great!) idea.

And it was a good promotional neat-neat think for a particular demographic that the network obviously desires.

...

Quote
Without getting into the back and forth and putdowns here, the proof was in front of our eyes. U2 made 3 appearances in the show. Every social media promotion I saw put them front and center with Lady Gaga. This was no favor to them. They have huge clout, especially considering that this is about eyeballs on CBS. You know who watches CBS?

Theyíre a lot more likely to watch U2 and Sting than Kendrick or Riahanna...generationally, culturally, etc. The question is more around how hard the band pushes for awards next year...thatís where the politicking gets fierce, I imagine.

Clearly there's lots of monkey work to be tweaked.

But mind you, it's still fuc**_ _U2!

There is no second act to be had.

It's just them.

Thank you for your internet rebuttal to my post.  I now realize just how wrong I was, thanks to your well-reasoned internet rebuttal.  Thank you.