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Title: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on June 29, 2018, 03:34:44 PM
“This is the end of a four-year cycle of work and we really have no plans going into next year. We have got to the point where this is a full stop at the end of this project. We're looking at next year as being a year of regrouping.”

So, Australia and Japan wont see them until another 4 years I’m guessing. They definitely won’t release anything 2019.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: MrsZoo on June 29, 2018, 06:26:30 PM
Hi, what interview was this? It seems an awful shame if true but I suppose the lads aren’t getting any younger.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 29, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
They certainly deserve some time off in 2019.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on June 29, 2018, 10:43:25 PM
Sad news for Australia, New Zealand, Japan and yes places like Texas and Florida. I say Texas and Florida because those states have always had U2 shows promoting new U2 albums every tour that has touched North America from the Boy Tour through the 360 tour. All Texas got in this decade was two Joshua Tree shows, that's it.

I think both Songs Of Innocence and Songs of Experience deserved more road work promoting both albums.

Looks like they will rest in 2019. Write music and look at some of their older non-releases stuff in 2020. Then record and release a new album at the end of 2021, probably Songs of Ascent.

Global stadium tour to follow in 2022-2023. Australia might not see U2 until 2023.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chargedvt on June 29, 2018, 10:46:31 PM
It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chip on June 29, 2018, 11:48:27 PM
Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on June 30, 2018, 12:05:04 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with that theory is that its so centered around around the AB/ZOO TV 30th anniversary tour. The Joshua Tree Tour 2017 I think was a one off.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chip on June 30, 2018, 12:13:13 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with that theory is that its so centered around around the AB/ZOO TV 30th anniversary tour. The Joshua Tree Tour 2017 I think was a one off.


I seem to recall that one of the band members recently said they would probably do one for AB. Of course, that's not a definite statement, but I think they will. I don't expect to see anniversary tours beyond that one (and personally am glad for their absence).
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on June 30, 2018, 01:32:13 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

This is all very presumptuous to assume all these forthcoming albums and tours. There's nothing left for U2 to do as artists that they haven't already done. They struggled to make SOE. They've done the nostalgia tour with TJT 2017.

Read the tea leaves everybody...closing with '13', coming back home, final show of tour in Dublin.

And, Dublin 4 will not only be the last show of the tour, it'll turn out to be their final live show ever. It ends where it all began.

Of course, sure, maybe the band will be re-energized after a long layoff to come up with new material and a tour and all that. But it's gotta end at some point, they've had an amazing career, they're filthy rich (at least Bono), what else is left?

p.s., f yeah, absolutely, I'm going to Dublin 3 and 4. GA.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on June 30, 2018, 02:45:47 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with that theory is that its so centered around around the AB/ZOO TV 30th anniversary tour. The Joshua Tree Tour 2017 I think was a one off.


I seem to recall that one of the band members recently said they would probably do one for AB. Of course, that's not a definite statement, but I think they will. I don't expect to see anniversary tours beyond that one (and personally am glad for their absence).

It was a rolling stone interview in early 2017 but it wasnt exactly "we want a zootv reunion". The reported asked if it was possible, and their response was more "we havent thought about it but you never now since TJT happened". I doubt it will happen considering we already have acrobat. 2022/2023 seems pretty reasonable for an album release with a world tour in 2024/2025. Maybe theyll consider changing the GA to floor seats to accommodate the aging audience. 
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Catlithco on June 30, 2018, 04:19:37 AM
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It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.

I think it's a shame that you think they are obliged to travel to where the fans want them to travel!
They guys are almost 60, and traveling to Australia/NZ/Asia is not like traveling to the US, or traveling in Europe. It's a much longer flight to the Southern Hemisphere, and this is much more exhausting.
Maybe they were thinking of adding concerts there to e+I tour, but maybe now they see they can't do it?
Just listen to the interview, they're not getting younger and they need more to be done with them (Physio) prior and after each show, especially Larry. He seems to have slight health problems also due to the drumming, probably back problems and problems with his muscles and every part of his body that is strained by the drumming.

They deserve a break after four years of touring. Hopefully, e+I doesn't become their last tour.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on June 30, 2018, 06:31:09 AM
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It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.

I think it's a shame that you think they are obliged to travel to where the fans want them to travel!
They guys are almost 60, and traveling to Australia/NZ/Asia is not like traveling to the US, or traveling in Europe. It's a much longer flight to the Southern Hemisphere, and this is much more exhausting.
Maybe they were thinking of adding concerts there to e+I tour, but maybe now they see they can't do it?
Just listen to the interview, they're not getting younger and they need more to be done with them (Physio) prior and after each show, especially Larry. He seems to have slight health problems also due to the drumming, probably back problems and problems with his muscles and every part of his body that is strained by the drumming.

They deserve a break after four years of touring. Hopefully, e+I doesn't become their last tour.

Are you really arguing they can’t perform in Australia because they couldn’t handle the flight time? Its a one time flight to get down there and Its not like they’d be flying economy...

The reality is u2 isn’t playing Australia because they don’t have to and they really don’t want to. Which is disappointing to the fans that have been waiting years. They could easily do concerts there, or even last year or even 3 years ago but they chose not to because it’s not that important to them. It doesn’t make u2 bad people. It’s just a matter of priority to them and choosing not to extend the tour to perform for that audience does speak to how important the matter is to them.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chargedvt on June 30, 2018, 06:43:38 AM
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It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.

I think it's a shame that you think they are obliged to travel to where the fans want them to travel!
They guys are almost 60, and traveling to Australia/NZ/Asia is not like traveling to the US, or traveling in Europe. It's a much longer flight to the Southern Hemisphere, and this is much more exhausting.
Maybe they were thinking of adding concerts there to e+I tour, but maybe now they see they can't do it?
Just listen to the interview, they're not getting younger and they need more to be done with them (Physio) prior and after each show, especially Larry. He seems to have slight health problems also due to the drumming, probably back problems and problems with his muscles and every part of his body that is strained by the drumming.

They deserve a break after four years of touring. Hopefully, e+I doesn't become their last tour.

Are you really arguing they can’t perform in Australia because they couldn’t handle the flight time? Its a one time flight to get down there and Its not like they’d be flying economy...

The reality is u2 isn’t playing Australia because they don’t have to and they really don’t want to. Which is disappointing to the fans that have been waiting years. They could easily do concerts there, or even last year or even 3 years ago but they chose not to because it’s not that important to them. It doesn’t make u2 bad people. It’s just a matter of priority to them and choosing not to extend the tour to perform for that audience does speak to how important the matter is to them.

Yeah, every other band has no trouble flying to Australia... even bands like the Rolling Stones that are a lot older. Hell, even Bon Jovi (similar age band) came 2010, 2013 and again later this year.
It probably comes down to Livenation calling the shots and only selecting the most lucrative markets. But it doesn't seem like the band are fussed either way. What makes it worse was Edge on Australian TV last year swearing that they "absolutely are coming". And now, not even a mention.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on June 30, 2018, 07:29:37 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

This is all very presumptuous to assume all these forthcoming albums and tours. There's nothing left for U2 to do as artists that they haven't already done. They struggled to make SOE. They've done the nostalgia tour with TJT 2017.

Read the tea leaves everybody...closing with '13', coming back home, final show of tour in Dublin.

And, Dublin 4 will not only be the last show of the tour, it'll turn out to be their final live show ever. It ends where it all began.

Of course, sure, maybe the band will be re-energized after a long layoff to come up with new material and a tour and all that. But it's gotta end at some point, they've had an amazing career, they're filthy rich (at least Bono), what else is left?

p.s., f yeah, absolutely, I'm going to Dublin 3 and 4. GA.

You could have said that about the Joshua Tree Tour or the ZOO TV tour. They have been doing this for 40 years. Its what they love doing. They are not going to stop because there is NO REASON to stop. They have fun writing and recording new songs and playing them live to their fans. Its why the Rolling Stones are still touring. I expect U2 albums and tours to continue for the next 20 to 25 years. They are performing just as well as they have ever done at the moment.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on June 30, 2018, 07:33:35 AM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with that theory is that its so centered around around the AB/ZOO TV 30th anniversary tour. The Joshua Tree Tour 2017 I think was a one off.


I seem to recall that one of the band members recently said they would probably do one for AB. Of course, that's not a definite statement, but I think they will. I don't expect to see anniversary tours beyond that one (and personally am glad for their absence).

. Maybe theyll consider changing the GA to floor seats to accommodate the aging audience.

HELL NO!!!! GA is awesome! Best tickets in the house at the cheapest price. GA is still the most in demand ticket. Too many fans love it and the band loves the energy they get from the GA crowd.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on June 30, 2018, 07:39:16 AM
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It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.

I think it's a shame that you think they are obliged to travel to where the fans want them to travel!
They guys are almost 60, and traveling to Australia/NZ/Asia is not like traveling to the US, or traveling in Europe. It's a much longer flight to the Southern Hemisphere, and this is much more exhausting.
Maybe they were thinking of adding concerts there to e+I tour, but maybe now they see they can't do it?
Just listen to the interview, they're not getting younger and they need more to be done with them (Physio) prior and after each show, especially Larry. He seems to have slight health problems also due to the drumming, probably back problems and problems with his muscles and every part of his body that is strained by the drumming.

They deserve a break after four years of touring. Hopefully, e+I doesn't become their last tour.


Age 60 is NOT age 80. There are body builders and distance runners in their 60s and 70s that would beat 99% of people at age 20 in those events. The band members are in excellent condition(at least performance wise in concert) and have access to the latest advances to keep them in top shape. U2 are in better shape than most of their fans who are younger.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Gavin82 on June 30, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
Gutted for the fans down under if this too come true people moan in EU about having too fly EJet for a few quid them guys have too take 2wk Holidays too come see them...!!!!
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on June 30, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

This is all very presumptuous to assume all these forthcoming albums and tours. There's nothing left for U2 to do as artists that they haven't already done. They struggled to make SOE. They've done the nostalgia tour with TJT 2017.

Read the tea leaves everybody...closing with '13', coming back home, final show of tour in Dublin.

And, Dublin 4 will not only be the last show of the tour, it'll turn out to be their final live show ever. It ends where it all began.

Of course, sure, maybe the band will be re-energized after a long layoff to come up with new material and a tour and all that. But it's gotta end at some point, they've had an amazing career, they're filthy rich (at least Bono), what else is left?

p.s., f yeah, absolutely, I'm going to Dublin 3 and 4. GA.

You could have said that about the Joshua Tree Tour or the ZOO TV tour. They have been doing this for 40 years. Its what they love doing. They are not going to stop because there is NO REASON to stop. They have fun writing and recording new songs and playing them live to their fans. Its why the Rolling Stones are still touring. I expect U2 albums and tours to continue for the next 20 to 25 years. They are performing just as well as they have ever done at the moment.

You're a little too optimistic. They are at the end of an album cycle and thematically, what is left for them as far as new music? + on the record of not wanting to become a nostalgia act like the Stones. TJT 2017 was the exception and only one, and they didn't just do it for musical reasons...they had pressure from Live Nation to do a tour since Bono's health problems derailed the other part of I/E.

Dublin 4 will be it.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: laoghaire on June 30, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
They are not planning for Dublin 4 to be it. Edge and Adam are having fun and want to keep going. Bono would die if he stopped. Who knows about Larry. If Dublin 4 was it, that would be because of an unforeseen event. You could ask what they have left to do musically at pretty pretty much any point in their career and the answer always is "more."
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: summerholly on June 30, 2018, 08:04:37 PM
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It's a shame that they no longer care about fans in the Southern Hemisphere and prefer to instead keep giving America figurative blowjobs whilst skipping Australia/NZ/Asia for the third tour in a row. Good way to pi*s off your fanbase.

I think it's a shame that you think they are obliged to travel to where the fans want them to travel!
They guys are almost 60, and traveling to Australia/NZ/Asia is not like traveling to the US, or traveling in Europe. It's a much longer flight to the Southern Hemisphere, and this is much more exhausting.
Maybe they were thinking of adding concerts there to e+I tour, but maybe now they see they can't do it?
Just listen to the interview, they're not getting younger and they need more to be done with them (Physio) prior and after each show, especially Larry. He seems to have slight health problems also due to the drumming, probably back problems and problems with his muscles and every part of his body that is strained by the drumming.

They deserve a break after four years of touring. Hopefully, e+I doesn't become their last tour.

Are you really arguing they can’t perform in Australia because they couldn’t handle the flight time? Its a one time flight to get down there and Its not like they’d be flying economy...

The reality is u2 isn’t playing Australia because they don’t have to and they really don’t want to. Which is disappointing to the fans that have been waiting years. They could easily do concerts there, or even last year or even 3 years ago but they chose not to because it’s not that important to them. It doesn’t make u2 bad people. It’s just a matter of priority to them and choosing not to extend the tour to perform for that audience does speak to how important the matter is to them.

Yeah, every other band has no trouble flying to Australia... even bands like the Rolling Stones that are a lot older. Hell, even Bon Jovi (similar age band) came 2010, 2013 and again later this year.
It probably comes down to Livenation calling the shots and only selecting the most lucrative markets. But it doesn't seem like the band are fussed either way. What makes it worse was Edge on Australian TV last year swearing that they "absolutely are coming". And now, not even a mention.

Yeah the flying time and age is unlikely to be the reason, heck we had Paul McCartney and Roger Waters in the last year and they are a great deal older.  I just think they probably don't really want to and don't really have to.  I saw an interview with them last year by an Australian journo and when asked about Australia, Bono said that they would like to and maybe they would later, but it was easy enough to read his body language which was saying that it was unlikely.  That's their prerogative.  It is not like I hear any of their new albums on the radio ever.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: johno11 on June 30, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
U2 will only tour Australia if they are doing stadium shows, as I & E is indoors they probably can't be bothered coming all this way. They are all about the dollars these days and not the Aus/NZ fans.

If they want to play stadiums here they should just play The Joshua Tree tour here that we missed out on in 2017. I think most fans would prefer that rather than the I & E tour and it will be a win win for the band and the fans.



Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on June 30, 2018, 10:20:15 PM
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They are not planning for Dublin 4 to be it. Edge and Adam are having fun and want to keep going. Bono would die if he stopped. Who knows about Larry. If Dublin 4 was it, that would be because of an unforeseen event. You could ask what they have left to do musically at pretty pretty much any point in their career and the answer always is "more."


Larry and I have 2 degrees of separation, and I've been told through the grapevine that he's had enough of touring. If Larry (or any band member) wants to be done, then the band is done. It just takes one and Larry has one foot out the door.

The band have nothing new artistically to add other than unreleased songs that were rumored to be part of "SOA", the mythical album that'll likely never see the light of day. They've reached the end of the EI IE theme and the shows on this leg at least are closing with '13' (how the song is performed is a big tea leaf, with the model house at the end). The last show of the tour is in Dublin, where it all began. They are confirmed to be taking a long break after those shows. That break will take them to the end of their contract with Live Nation in March 2020. They are not going to do another album retrospective/nostalgia tour, like Zoo TV redux in 2022. It's either new music, which I don't think they will do another long recording an album and accompanying tour cycle, at their age. It all ends after Dublin 4 and that may not be the current plan but I believe with near certainty it'll turn out that way.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: summerholly on July 01, 2018, 01:58:50 AM
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U2 will only tour Australia if they are doing stadium shows, as I & E is indoors they probably can't be bothered coming all this way. They are all about the dollars these days and not the Aus/NZ fans.

If they want to play stadiums here they should just play The Joshua Tree tour here that we missed out on in 2017. I think most fans would prefer that rather than the I & E tour and it will be a win win for the band and the fans.

Yes I agree that likely the JT tour would go down best.  I know I certainly would prefer that.  However at this stage of their career and lives I suspect that they probably just don't want to bring the JT tour down under.  I don't know if it is just about the money they probably have other priorities in their lives and the Aus/NZ fans and a JT tour are just not one of them but I certainly don't hold that against them lol.  They have lives and families.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 01, 2018, 02:40:25 AM
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U2 will only tour Australia if they are doing stadium shows, as I & E is indoors they probably can't be bothered coming all this way. They are all about the dollars these days and not the Aus/NZ fans.

If they want to play stadiums here they should just play The Joshua Tree tour here that we missed out on in 2017. I think most fans would prefer that rather than the I & E tour and it will be a win win for the band and the fans.

Yes I agree that likely the JT tour would go down best.  I know I certainly would prefer that.  However at this stage of their career and lives I suspect that they probably just don't want to bring the JT tour down under.  I don't know if it is just about the money they probably have other priorities in their lives and the Aus/NZ fans and a JT tour are just not one of them but I certainly don't hold that against them lol.  They have lives and families.

They're not doing any more JT tour shows because that tour finished last year in Brazil. They won't be revisiting it.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 01, 2018, 05:09:34 AM
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They are not planning for Dublin 4 to be it. Edge and Adam are having fun and want to keep going. Bono would die if he stopped. Who knows about Larry. If Dublin 4 was it, that would be because of an unforeseen event. You could ask what they have left to do musically at pretty pretty much any point in their career and the answer always is "more."


Larry and I have 2 degrees of separation, and I've been told through the grapevine that he's had enough of touring. If Larry (or any band member) wants to be done, then the band is done. It just takes one and Larry has one foot out the door.

The band have nothing new artistically to add other than unreleased songs that were rumored to be part of "SOA", the mythical album that'll likely never see the light of day. They've reached the end of the EI IE theme and the shows on this leg at least are closing with '13' (how the song is performed is a big tea leaf, with the model house at the end). The last show of the tour is in Dublin, where it all began. They are confirmed to be taking a long break after those shows. That break will take them to the end of their contract with Live Nation in March 2020. They are not going to do another album retrospective/nostalgia tour, like Zoo TV redux in 2022. It's either new music, which I don't think they will do another long recording an album and accompanying tour cycle, at their age. It all ends after Dublin 4 and that may not be the current plan but I believe with near certainty it'll turn out that way.

You've read the same rumours on the internet basically. To look at Larry, you could say he was sick of touring back in 1985. These rumours have been doing the rounds since I got into the band

"I know he absolutely loved the tour (TJT) but, I don't know if he loves the new album" - Bono on Larry, December 2017

Having said that, I get the same feeling. Maybe whatever is next will be it
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: hollywoodswag on July 01, 2018, 05:17:14 AM
Interesting that Larry loved the TJT30 tour and not the new album. There seem to be several instances in their history where he seemed to prefer a different musical direction than the band ended up taking. Also, I would be interested to know if he still wishes they could go back and make Pop the record he, at least at one point, felt it could be.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 01, 2018, 05:28:50 AM
Doesn't sound like he's fed up of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3isbbRnbxW0
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 01, 2018, 12:51:02 PM
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Doesn't sound like he's fed up of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3isbbRnbxW0

Final line of the clip from Larry:

"I feel my future is in serenity".

This was a valedictory piece from Larry, a wonderful tribute to the founder of the band. He's not fed up sounding at all, in fact he sounds incredibly passionate about music and being a musician, but on the other hand, there is nothing in that clip to indicate U2 will go on and on after Dublin 4. Dublin 4 is the confirmed end of this tour for U2 and the start of a very long break, one that'll take them past the expiration of their contract with Live Nation (March 2020). After that date, the band have no business obligation to record or tour, and think about it...what else do they have to say musically at this point? They may reissue some anthologies but don't expect a new album or tour based on that album, and certainly not a 30 year retrospective of Achtung Baby and a Zoo TV nostalgia tour. They're done, and Dublin 4 will turn out to be the last show.
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Post by: the_chief on July 01, 2018, 01:45:41 PM
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Doesn't sound like he's fed up of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3isbbRnbxW0

Final line of the clip from Larry:

"I feel my future is in serenity".

This was a valedictory piece from Larry, a wonderful tribute to the founder of the band. He's not fed up sounding at all, in fact he sounds incredibly passionate about music and being a musician, but on the other hand, there is nothing in that clip to indicate U2 will go on and on after Dublin 4. Dublin 4 is the confirmed end of this tour for U2 and the start of a very long break, one that'll take them past the expiration of their contract with Live Nation (March 2020). After that date, the band have no business obligation to record or tour, and think about it...what else do they have to say musically at this point? They may reissue some anthologies but don't expect a new album or tour based on that album, and certainly not a 30 year retrospective of Achtung Baby and a Zoo TV nostalgia tour. They're done, and Dublin 4 will turn out to be the last show.

See, whilst I get that feeling myself, you're basing this on your gut feeling and speaking as if it's a fact.

None of us truly know if it's the end or not

You're also basing this on the idea that "well, they have nothing left to say so, that's them finished"
Anyone who starts a band or writes, records, performs music, doesn't do so just on the basis that they have something to say. That includes U2!

Further more, The Edge said recently that they already have some ideas for the next album...

As I said, we're basing this on nothing more than hearsay. Larry and Adam were fed up in 1990, Larry hated Passengers and didn't want to do it, we all heard rumours of the end after 360...

Our gut feeling might prove to be right, it could very well be true what The Edge and Adam have said, none of us know for certain.

If we attached the notion that once you artistically have nothing else left to say it's the end, to every artist, everyone from Ed Sheeran to The Stones should be retired then. Perhaps there won't be big tours anymore and maybe it will be a series of gigs on a smaller scale...I do know however that after a year off, they will be absolutely keen as hell to do something. You can't switch it off.

I do think though it will be awhile before we see or hear from them after this tour
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 01, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: laoghaire on July 01, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
First class isn't even a factor. They have their own jet. Very nice one.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: skelter on July 01, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...
my guess is they don't have their logistics base set up there. Maybe there is no Principal Management Australia to familiarly and effectively handle their touring needs. As a downflow result (which the band obviously do not have to choose themselves), they don't know their favorite hotel/private plane charter co/caterers/ local crew co and truck ing co in Australiasia.


Also, their spending and investments are in USD and euros. Not AUD or some Asian currency. Yeah, currency can obviously be converted easily when you have lots of it earned.

Edit: what affects the band more is the comfort and familiarity of their homebase. U2 don't know Aust well enough to know if they like the posh hotels in Byron Bay? Surfers Paradise? Etc.

I bet they have 3 familiar home base locations in USA (NY, Malibu, maybe a third being Miami?) And at least 3 touring home base spots in EU (Dublin duh, Eze France homes, London)
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: skelter on July 01, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
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First class isn't even a factor. They have their own jet. Very nice one.
No I think they lease a plane for each leg of the tour. So ei USA used 1 plane. Ei Europe will use another.

Idk.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 01, 2018, 09:39:46 PM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...
my guess is they don't have their logistics base set up there. Maybe there is no Principal Management Australia to familiarly and effectively handle their touring needs. As a downflow result (which the band obviously do not have to choose themselves), they don't know their favorite hotel/private plane charter co/caterers/ local crew co and truck ing co in Australiasia.


Also, their spending and investments are in USD and euros. Not AUD or some Asian currency. Yeah, currency can obviously be converted easily when you have lots of it earned.

Edit: what affects the band more is the comfort and familiarity of their homebase. U2 don't know Aust well enough to know if they like the posh hotels in Byron Bay? Surfers Paradise? Etc.

I bet they have 3 familiar home base locations in USA (NY, Malibu, maybe a third being Miami?) And at least 3 touring home base spots in EU (Dublin duh, Eze France homes, London)
I understand your thinking, but they managed to tour up to and including 360, so I'm not sure the logistics argument carries much weight.

I would be willing to bet it's a money thing - I just wish they were honest about it.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on July 01, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 01, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 01, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on July 02, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

I was being sarcastic. But the reality is what I’m saying will probably be 97% true give or take an extra year. Willie Williams rolling stone interview did say he was already in talks with Bono about the next tour. The IE “lightbulb” was thought of during the 360 tour
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 02, 2018, 12:23:16 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

I was being sarcastic. But the reality is what I’m saying will probably be 97% true give or take an extra year. Willie Williams rolling stone interview did say he was already in talks with Bono about the next tour. The IE “lightbulb” was thought of during the 360 tour

Probably.
Like I said, it's something you can't just switch off inside of you.

Still have a bad feeling about it all though
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 02, 2018, 01:05:32 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Mmm, not really. I made a pretty solid case and tell me exactly what the band will do after Dublin 4? They're taking a break (fact) and that break will take them through their contract with Live Nation, and they will have no more contractual obligation to record or tour after March 2020 (another fact), unless they were to sign another deal, but as of now, we don't know if they will. I'm not out here like some misguided/delusional fans assuming they will launch back into business as usual in 2-3 years. What I've said is, we can't make any assumptions and I strongly believe Dublin 4 will turn out to be their final live show. I also strongly believe, based on what Joe O'Herlihy told a friend of mine, that Larry has had enough of touring. My whole argument is: we don't know their plans and we can't assume anything and that it *could* be the case that Dublin 4 will turn out to be the final show. If Larry decides that's enough, or another band member, then that's the end of the band, full stop.

Also, someone please make the case for U2 recording an album of new music and launching another tour cycle. What else do they have to say musically, after SOI/SOE? It's the closing of the book, it's coming home...ending the shows with '13' and bringing the prop house on stage. It's a big freaking tea leaf.

All I've done is make the case, strongly as I believe, that Dublin 4 will likely be it. Because there is nothing to indicate that they have plans to record an album of new music and tour, as of right now, and we can't assume that will change.

Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 02, 2018, 01:29:16 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Mmm, not really. I made a pretty solid case and tell me exactly what the band will do after Dublin 4? They're taking a break (fact) and that break will take them through their contract with Live Nation, and they will have no more contractual obligation to record or tour after March 2020 (another fact), unless they were to sign another deal, but as of now, we don't know if they will. I'm not out here like some misguided/delusional fans assuming they will launch back into business as usual in 2-3 years. What I've said is, we can't make any assumptions and I strongly believe Dublin 4 will turn out to be their final live show. I also strongly believe, based on what Joe O'Herlihy told a friend of mine, that Larry has had enough of touring. My whole argument is: we don't know their plans and we can't assume anything and that it *could* be the case that Dublin 4 will turn out to be the final show. If Larry decides that's enough, or another band member, then that's the end of the band, full stop.

Also, someone please make the case for U2 recording an album of new music and launching another tour cycle. What else do they have to say musically, after SOI/SOE? It's the closing of the book, it's coming home...ending the shows with '13' and bringing the prop house on stage. It's a big freaking tea leaf.

All I've done is make the case, strongly as I believe, that Dublin 4 will likely be it. Because there is nothing to indicate that they have plans to record an album of new music and tour, as of right now, and we can't assume that will change.



As I've stated, I have the same feeling...

However, my fundamental issue with what your saying is "What have they got left to say musically?"
I find that to be a pile of sh**e to be perfectly honest.
What does Ed Sheeran have left to say musically? What do Coldplay? What do The Rolling Stones? What does Paul McCartney? What does Neil Young? etc etc.

Point is you can't base it off that alone. It's a rubbish argument.
Larry sick of touring, Bono with his health, wanting to spend time with their families etc all perfectly understandable and believable reasons but, having nothing left to say musically is not one of them, even when the bands themselves say it. As I've said, once you do it, you can't stop! There is always inspiration coming from somewhere.

I've heard Larry has been sick of touring for the last 18 years. I've heard The Edge and Adam say there will be more projects. I've read Willie Williams talking about the next tour. Point is none of us truly know.

Whilst I do get the feeling Dublin 4 could very well be it, it will be not be because of "having nothing left to say musically" because I can guarantee you more music will still be made after November. Whether touring is still on the agenda is another story
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 02, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Mmm, not really. I made a pretty solid case and tell me exactly what the band will do after Dublin 4? They're taking a break (fact) and that break will take them through their contract with Live Nation, and they will have no more contractual obligation to record or tour after March 2020 (another fact), unless they were to sign another deal, but as of now, we don't know if they will. I'm not out here like some misguided/delusional fans assuming they will launch back into business as usual in 2-3 years. What I've said is, we can't make any assumptions and I strongly believe Dublin 4 will turn out to be their final live show. I also strongly believe, based on what Joe O'Herlihy told a friend of mine, that Larry has had enough of touring. My whole argument is: we don't know their plans and we can't assume anything and that it *could* be the case that Dublin 4 will turn out to be the final show. If Larry decides that's enough, or another band member, then that's the end of the band, full stop.

Also, someone please make the case for U2 recording an album of new music and launching another tour cycle. What else do they have to say musically, after SOI/SOE? It's the closing of the book, it's coming home...ending the shows with '13' and bringing the prop house on stage. It's a big freaking tea leaf.

All I've done is make the case, strongly as I believe, that Dublin 4 will likely be it. Because there is nothing to indicate that they have plans to record an album of new music and tour, as of right now, and we can't assume that will change.



As I've stated, I have the same feeling...

However, my fundamental issue with what your saying is "What have they got left to say musically?"
I find that to be a pile of sh**e to be perfectly honest.
What does Ed Sheeran have left to say musically? What do Coldplay? What do The Rolling Stones? What does Paul McCartney? What does Neil Young? etc etc.

Point is you can't base it off that alone. It's a rubbish argument.
Larry sick of touring, Bono with his health, wanting to spend time with their families etc all perfectly understandable and believable reasons but, having nothing left to say musically is not one of them, even when the bands themselves say it. As I've said, once you do it, you can't stop! There is always inspiration coming from somewhere.

I've heard Larry has been sick of touring for the last 18 years. I've heard The Edge and Adam say there will be more projects. I've read Willie Williams talking about the next tour. Point is none of us truly know.

Whilst I do get the feeling Dublin 4 could very well be it, it will be not be because of "having nothing left to say musically" because I can guarantee you more music will still be made after November. Whether touring is still on the agenda is another story

Well, that is the main point I've made in this thread, that Dublin 4 could be it. And I'm glad I've got GA for Dublin 3 and 4, going to savor it. Dublin 4 has to end with '40'.

It's a very good question, what does U2 have left to say as far as music. That is the question the band knows the answer to already or will be asking themselves during their long break. I'm raising the question here because it has to be asked. New music is the reason for them to exist, and I'm not so sure U2 has another album of new music in them. I can definitely see another anthology or, my hope, that they release a "from the vaults" type album for super fans of demo and unreleased tracks, maybe some of what was rumored to be on that mythical Songs of Ascent.

Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 02, 2018, 02:00:39 AM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Mmm, not really. I made a pretty solid case and tell me exactly what the band will do after Dublin 4? They're taking a break (fact) and that break will take them through their contract with Live Nation, and they will have no more contractual obligation to record or tour after March 2020 (another fact), unless they were to sign another deal, but as of now, we don't know if they will. I'm not out here like some misguided/delusional fans assuming they will launch back into business as usual in 2-3 years. What I've said is, we can't make any assumptions and I strongly believe Dublin 4 will turn out to be their final live show. I also strongly believe, based on what Joe O'Herlihy told a friend of mine, that Larry has had enough of touring. My whole argument is: we don't know their plans and we can't assume anything and that it *could* be the case that Dublin 4 will turn out to be the final show. If Larry decides that's enough, or another band member, then that's the end of the band, full stop.

Also, someone please make the case for U2 recording an album of new music and launching another tour cycle. What else do they have to say musically, after SOI/SOE? It's the closing of the book, it's coming home...ending the shows with '13' and bringing the prop house on stage. It's a big freaking tea leaf.

All I've done is make the case, strongly as I believe, that Dublin 4 will likely be it. Because there is nothing to indicate that they have plans to record an album of new music and tour, as of right now, and we can't assume that will change.



As I've stated, I have the same feeling...

However, my fundamental issue with what your saying is "What have they got left to say musically?"
I find that to be a pile of sh**e to be perfectly honest.
What does Ed Sheeran have left to say musically? What do Coldplay? What do The Rolling Stones? What does Paul McCartney? What does Neil Young? etc etc.

Point is you can't base it off that alone. It's a rubbish argument.
Larry sick of touring, Bono with his health, wanting to spend time with their families etc all perfectly understandable and believable reasons but, having nothing left to say musically is not one of them, even when the bands themselves say it. As I've said, once you do it, you can't stop! There is always inspiration coming from somewhere.

I've heard Larry has been sick of touring for the last 18 years. I've heard The Edge and Adam say there will be more projects. I've read Willie Williams talking about the next tour. Point is none of us truly know.

Whilst I do get the feeling Dublin 4 could very well be it, it will be not be because of "having nothing left to say musically" because I can guarantee you more music will still be made after November. Whether touring is still on the agenda is another story

Well, that is the main point I've made in this thread, that Dublin 4 could be it. And I'm glad I've got GA for Dublin 3 and 4, going to savor it. Dublin 4 has to end with '40'.

It's a very good question, what does U2 have left to say as far as music. That is the question the band knows the answer to already or will be asking themselves during their long break. I'm raising the question here because it has to be asked. New music is the reason for them to exist, and I'm not so sure U2 has another album of new music in them. I can definitely see another anthology or, my hope, that they release a "from the vaults" type album for super fans of demo and unreleased tracks, maybe some of what was rumored to be on that mythical Songs of Ascent.



But again though, inspiration can come from anywhere. I mean, U2 started off as a melodic punk band and then all of a sudden wrote a blues/soul/gospel/rock album in 1987. Even on SOE, I was quite surprised by LIAWHL and SOL and The Showman. I never thought for a second they'd write those type of songs.

World events, personal issues etc can dictate the writing of a song. But, the point is they're musicians, they're performers, they're a band. It might seem an idea to give it up now but, they'd stop for a year or two and they'd be back working on a new project before you know it, such is the need and want in a musician
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on July 02, 2018, 03:07:56 AM
My phone contract expires every 2 years and then it gets resigned. Just saying. If u2 was doing a final tour, they’d know and use it to sell out. Which is what I think the next tour will be.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: podiumboy on July 02, 2018, 05:05:03 PM
IMO, it really sucks that they couldn't be bothered to take any of the last 3 tours to Australia/Asia.  Innocence, Joshua Tree or Experience.  Apparently it's not profitable enough to travel down under for an arena tour.  Fine, play stadiums.  U2 are too married to their stage sets, and won't modify them to fit multiple venue types.  I feel bad for all those fans that are going to get f***** over, without explanation.  It's not just baseless speculation that didn't come true... members of U2 actually said they were working on coming to Australia and Asia.  I partly blame the fact that Madonna's recent arena tour of Asia and Australia was a bust.  Guy is her manager too.

My prediction is that we hear literally nothing from U2 in 2019 at all.  2020 might have a few 40th anniversary of Boy things going on.  But I don't expect the next album/tour until 2021, at the earliest.  I agree that they need to disappear for a little while, but I sure have enjoyed the last 4 years... 2 albums, 3 different tours.  RHMT and Acrobat getting played live...  also never thought I'd see U2 perform Exit, so that was cool.  It's been fun!  I remember how boring 2012 and 2013 were, as far as being a U2 fan. 
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: summerholly on July 02, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
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IMO, it really sucks that they couldn't be bothered to take any of the last 3 tours to Australia/Asia.  Innocence, Joshua Tree or Experience.  Apparently it's not profitable enough to travel down under for an arena tour.  Fine, play stadiums.  U2 are too married to their stage sets, and won't modify them to fit multiple venue types.  I feel bad for all those fans that are going to get f***** over, without explanation.  It's not just baseless speculation that didn't come true... members of U2 actually said they were working on coming to Australia and Asia.  I partly blame the fact that Madonna's recent arena tour of Asia and Australia was a bust.  Guy is her manager too.

My prediction is that we hear literally nothing from U2 in 2019 at all.  2020 might have a few 40th anniversary of Boy things going on.  But I don't expect the next album/tour until 2021, at the earliest.  I agree that they need to disappear for a little while, but I sure have enjoyed the last 4 years... 2 albums, 3 different tours.  RHMT and Acrobat getting played live...  also never thought I'd see U2 perform Exit, so that was cool.  It's been fun!  I remember how boring 2012 and 2013 were, as far as being a U2 fan.

Yes I bet they could fill stadiums no problems down under if they just came and played a set list that included a whole range of songs from their beginnings through their most popular albums to a few songs from their latest but I don't think U2 operate like that. They seemed locked in to a theme and latest albums and that's their choice artistically speaking. 
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:29:03 PM
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Wons, personally I expect the next album to be released much later than that. Start work on the next album in mid-2020, work for a year without coming close to being satisfied with material for the next album, then stop to prep for an AB/Zoo TV 30th anniversary tour. (As much as the band doesn't want to become a nostalgia act, the success of the TJT anniversary tour will compel them to do that for AB as well.) Tour the 30th anniversary for at least six months in 2022, then break toward the end of the year. Resume work on the latest album in 2023 and finally finish in 2024. Release the new album sometime that year (probably in the October/November timeframe), then tour in 2025.

Yeah, I'm being a bit pessimistic based upon past behavioral patterns. I hope I'm wrong.

This is all very presumptuous to assume all these forthcoming albums and tours. There's nothing left for U2 to do as artists that they haven't already done. They struggled to make SOE. They've done the nostalgia tour with TJT 2017.

Read the tea leaves everybody...closing with '13', coming back home, final show of tour in Dublin.

And, Dublin 4 will not only be the last show of the tour, it'll turn out to be their final live show ever. It ends where it all began.

Of course, sure, maybe the band will be re-energized after a long layoff to come up with new material and a tour and all that. But it's gotta end at some point, they've had an amazing career, they're filthy rich (at least Bono), what else is left?

p.s., f yeah, absolutely, I'm going to Dublin 3 and 4. GA.

You could have said that about the Joshua Tree Tour or the ZOO TV tour. They have been doing this for 40 years. Its what they love doing. They are not going to stop because there is NO REASON to stop. They have fun writing and recording new songs and playing them live to their fans. Its why the Rolling Stones are still touring. I expect U2 albums and tours to continue for the next 20 to 25 years. They are performing just as well as they have ever done at the moment.

You're a little too optimistic. They are at the end of an album cycle and thematically, what is left for them as far as new music? + on the record of not wanting to become a nostalgia act like the Stones. TJT 2017 was the exception and only one, and they didn't just do it for musical reasons...they had pressure from Live Nation to do a tour since Bono's health problems derailed the other part of I/E.

Dublin 4 will be it.

Nope, they have already said that WE we'll see them again live! I'll be messaging you when the next tour starts!
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
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They are not planning for Dublin 4 to be it. Edge and Adam are having fun and want to keep going. Bono would die if he stopped. Who knows about Larry. If Dublin 4 was it, that would be because of an unforeseen event. You could ask what they have left to do musically at pretty pretty much any point in their career and the answer always is "more."


Larry and I have 2 degrees of separation, and I've been told through the grapevine that he's had enough of touring. If Larry (or any band member) wants to be done, then the band is done. It just takes one and Larry has one foot out the door.

The band have nothing new artistically to add other than unreleased songs that were rumored to be part of "SOA", the mythical album that'll likely never see the light of day. They've reached the end of the EI IE theme and the shows on this leg at least are closing with '13' (how the song is performed is a big tea leaf, with the model house at the end). The last show of the tour is in Dublin, where it all began. They are confirmed to be taking a long break after those shows. That break will take them to the end of their contract with Live Nation in March 2020. They are not going to do another album retrospective/nostalgia tour, like Zoo TV redux in 2022. It's either new music, which I don't think they will do another long recording an album and accompanying tour cycle, at their age. It all ends after Dublin 4 and that may not be the current plan but I believe with near certainty it'll turn out that way.

"At their Age"? They are not old. They are not age 90 or 100. You can tour, write and record music in your 60s and 70s essentially the same as your 20s. Multiple artist have proven this. Why would they stop? Stop and do what?
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
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Doesn't sound like he's fed up of it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3isbbRnbxW0

Final line of the clip from Larry:

"I feel my future is in serenity".

This was a valedictory piece from Larry, a wonderful tribute to the founder of the band. He's not fed up sounding at all, in fact he sounds incredibly passionate about music and being a musician, but on the other hand, there is nothing in that clip to indicate U2 will go on and on after Dublin 4. Dublin 4 is the confirmed end of this tour for U2 and the start of a very long break, one that'll take them past the expiration of their contract with Live Nation (March 2020). After that date, the band have no business obligation to record or tour, and think about it...what else do they have to say musically at this point? They may reissue some anthologies but don't expect a new album or tour based on that album, and certainly not a 30 year retrospective of Achtung Baby and a Zoo TV nostalgia tour. They're done, and Dublin 4 will turn out to be the last show.

U2 are artist. They do this for fun and because it is their passion. This is not a day job to them. This is about doing what you most enjoy in life. There is no retirement from music for U2.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:37:28 PM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...

The most money to be made from touring in any single country is the United States. That's why the United States gets so many shows. Australia is small country compared to the United States, less than 10% the size in terms of population.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:38:59 PM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Cool, maybe it will be the Rick Rubin album. Then sometime after that maybe will get Songs of Ascent.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 02, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
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I have inside info. They’ve already begun planning for the next tour which will commence May 2022. This will be in support of the new album which is not a “Songs of “ trilogy. The tour will be indoors again and will begin in the US. While u2 won’t do a ZOOTV tour, this tour in support of the 15th album is also planned to have a heavy achtung portion in the set.

Oh, yes, please also tell us who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy while you're at it!

Tbf, that's pretty much the same as what you were saying...

"I've heard on the grapevine it's all over. I am going to shoot everything everyone says down because I am quite smug about what I think are facts"

Mmm, not really. I made a pretty solid case and tell me exactly what the band will do after Dublin 4? They're taking a break (fact) and that break will take them through their contract with Live Nation, and they will have no more contractual obligation to record or tour after March 2020 (another fact), unless they were to sign another deal, but as of now, we don't know if they will. I'm not out here like some misguided/delusional fans assuming they will launch back into business as usual in 2-3 years. What I've said is, we can't make any assumptions and I strongly believe Dublin 4 will turn out to be their final live show. I also strongly believe, based on what Joe O'Herlihy told a friend of mine, that Larry has had enough of touring. My whole argument is: we don't know their plans and we can't assume anything and that it *could* be the case that Dublin 4 will turn out to be the final show. If Larry decides that's enough, or another band member, then that's the end of the band, full stop.

Also, someone please make the case for U2 recording an album of new music and launching another tour cycle. What else do they have to say musically, after SOI/SOE? It's the closing of the book, it's coming home...ending the shows with '13' and bringing the prop house on stage. It's a big freaking tea leaf.

All I've done is make the case, strongly as I believe, that Dublin 4 will likely be it. Because there is nothing to indicate that they have plans to record an album of new music and tour, as of right now, and we can't assume that will change.

So what will you say when the next album comes out and the next tour goes on sale?
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: skelter on July 02, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
None of the 4 of them even know what's next album and touring wise.

Also, idk why Adam calls it a 4-year cycle when they did nothing publicly in 2016. Ok, they did the iheartradio and shillsfest concert guest spot at the end of 2016.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 02, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...

The most money to be made from touring in any single country is the United States. That's why the United States gets so many shows. Australia is small country compared to the United States, less than 10% the size in terms of population.
Correct. But a bit of honesty from the band that the lack of touring Australia for the last eight years is purely a financial decision would be appreciated. The weasel words they use like "we'd love to tour", or "we're trying to work something out" are just patronising, misleading and insulting.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: GoldenStateGirl on July 02, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
I don’t think they’re done because Bono would never miss the chance to take a victory lap.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Tortuga on July 02, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
Whatever the case, can the next album just not be called “Songs of” anything?


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Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chargedvt on July 03, 2018, 02:05:05 AM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...

The most money to be made from touring in any single country is the United States. That's why the United States gets so many shows. Australia is small country compared to the United States, less than 10% the size in terms of population.
Correct. But a bit of honesty from the band that the lack of touring Australia for the last eight years is purely a financial decision would be appreciated. The weasel words they use like "we'd love to tour", or "we're trying to work something out" are just patronising, misleading and insulting.

I met Bono when I went to the 2015 London shows. I asked when they were coming and he said "We're working on it... we love playing Australia." Lol.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: d.darroch on July 03, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...
my guess is they don't have their logistics base set up there. Maybe there is no Principal Management Australia to familiarly and effectively handle their touring needs. As a downflow result (which the band obviously do not have to choose themselves), they don't know their favorite hotel/private plane charter co/caterers/ local crew co and truck ing co in Australiasia.


Also, their spending and investments are in USD and euros. Not AUD or some Asian currency. Yeah, currency can obviously be converted easily when you have lots of it earned.

Edit: what affects the band more is the comfort and familiarity of their homebase. U2 don't know Aust well enough to know if they like the posh hotels in Byron Bay? Surfers Paradise? Etc.

I bet they have 3 familiar home base locations in USA (NY, Malibu, maybe a third being Miami?) And at least 3 touring home base spots in EU (Dublin duh, Eze France homes, London)
I understand your thinking, but they managed to tour up to and including 360, so I'm not sure the logistics argument carries much weight.

I would be willing to bet it's a money thing - I just wish they were honest about it.

Live Nation gave U2 that figurative BJ back in 2008 when they forked out $19M for that 12 year contract.

Live Nation makes much higher profits when U2 performs in the US. This is because Live Nation own many venues in the US, & have rights to promote a very large number of other venues.

So the band members have reciprocated, getting down on their knees & returned the favour to Guy & Live Nation.

It’s all about money. The fact that the Aussie dollar has lost 20% of it’s value since late 2014 hasn’t helped. LOL, maybe they should have started the i+e tour in Oz back at the beginning of 2015  ;)
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Gavin82 on July 03, 2018, 02:31:18 AM
2015 & 2017 & 2018 tours were hardly anything lile 360 they could well do a proper world tour if they wanted.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on July 03, 2018, 04:27:06 AM
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2015 & 2017 & 2018 tours were hardly anything lile 360 they could well do a proper world tour if they wanted.

360 wasn’t that bad.
2009 - 4 months
2010- 4 months
2011- 5 months

IE- 6 months
JT- 4 months
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 73October on July 03, 2018, 04:51:04 AM
I'm going to throw in quite a bit of optimism and a lot of hope here.

There looks like a deserved break in 2019 from the music.  2016 was a year where things were on hold, it wasn't a break in the same sense as they had definite plans.

Since the beginning of the Innocence & Experience cycle, a lot has changed in the world.  Being the political band that they are, they probably need to stand back and take a check on everything.  Where are they going? where is the world going? How do they make sense of it at the age they are (there's not really any point in coming at things like 45 year olds as they did in 2005 - which was quite a year for them)?

So 'regrouping' sounds like a good idea.  They all seem very aware of their health and mortality, as you would expect someone at that age.  They are not 'old', just at an age that is still perceived as 'old'.  Medical advancements make a difference.  Maybe they need a break from longer haul touring.

The Live Nation contract situation will make quite a difference.  If it expires and is not renewed, then perhaps the 'regrouping' may result in looking at new ways of pushing the touring boat out.  The biggest difference between U2 and The Stones is that U2 have always looked to do things differently and not the norm.  U2 would still be able to fill stadiums and arenas by, say, 2022. But is it the touring contract that makes a difference?  Maybe some of their personal preferences have been put aside through Live Nation. 
U2 are a band about ethics (an aside: they really have pushed the green agenda on this tour in particular looking at everything from pollution (have you noticed how the venues are clustered together in groups to avoid unnecessary (polluting) travel)  to re-useable beer cups and in between).  Perhaps the ethics of big stage production touring around the world is something they are looking at privately?  Could they push the boat out on the touring agenda and forcing the hand of the touring side of the entertainment industry to make big and lasting changes?  This band are known for trailblazing.

They would still tour, but there may be more variation in where they tour and when (maybe shorter more intensive bursts perhaps focussing on geographical areas in a variety of venues)? 

Does anyone on here know why Larry is reportedly 'fed up touring'?  Until we know there's no point in speculating.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 03, 2018, 10:55:54 AM
U2 will be back on he road in 2022. U2 have been taking breaks in between tours that last around 3 to 5 years since the end of the Joshua Tree Tour. Were at the end of a cycle of writing, recording and touring for the band, just like at the end of 1989, or 1993, 1998, 2001, 2006, or 2011. This is normal for U2 based on their history. Being in your 60s and 70s is not old for what they do. That is already been proven by many other artist. Don't start wondering about when the band will stop until Larry has celebrated his 80th birthday at least. Its even possible they would continue after that. B.B. King was still on the road until a year before he died and he almost made it to his 90th birthday!
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: the_chief on July 03, 2018, 11:18:10 AM
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I'm going to throw in quite a bit of optimism and a lot of hope here.

There looks like a deserved break in 2019 from the music.  2016 was a year where things were on hold, it wasn't a break in the same sense as they had definite plans.

Since the beginning of the Innocence & Experience cycle, a lot has changed in the world.  Being the political band that they are, they probably need to stand back and take a check on everything.  Where are they going? where is the world going? How do they make sense of it at the age they are (there's not really any point in coming at things like 45 year olds as they did in 2005 - which was quite a year for them)?

So 'regrouping' sounds like a good idea.  They all seem very aware of their health and mortality, as you would expect someone at that age.  They are not 'old', just at an age that is still perceived as 'old'.  Medical advancements make a difference.  Maybe they need a break from longer haul touring.

The Live Nation contract situation will make quite a difference.  If it expires and is not renewed, then perhaps the 'regrouping' may result in looking at new ways of pushing the touring boat out.  The biggest difference between U2 and The Stones is that U2 have always looked to do things differently and not the norm.  U2 would still be able to fill stadiums and arenas by, say, 2022. But is it the touring contract that makes a difference?  Maybe some of their personal preferences have been put aside through Live Nation. 
U2 are a band about ethics (an aside: they really have pushed the green agenda on this tour in particular looking at everything from pollution (have you noticed how the venues are clustered together in groups to avoid unnecessary (polluting) travel)  to re-useable beer cups and in between).  Perhaps the ethics of big stage production touring around the world is something they are looking at privately?  Could they push the boat out on the touring agenda and forcing the hand of the touring side of the entertainment industry to make big and lasting changes?  This band are known for trailblazing.

They would still tour, but there may be more variation in where they tour and when (maybe shorter more intensive bursts perhaps focussing on geographical areas in a variety of venues)? 

Does anyone on here know why Larry is reportedly 'fed up touring'?  Until we know there's no point in speculating.

Touring life can be stressful and draining...Although, from the BBC doc in Brazil, he seemed quite happy, as he was in any footage I seen of him greeting fans outside venues on the i+E tour.

He's certainly not sick of performing anyways. His performances on the i+E tour and JT tour when I seen them were absolutely fantastic.

I mean...Just look at him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s34i_Vo373w
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 03, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
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Trying to put my bitterness about U2 not touring Australia for so long, I would be genuinely interested to hear the band's honest view of why they do endless laps of the US with the odd European jaunt to break up the US monotony. I'm over the patronising "oh, we'd love to play Australia' guff they've been putting out for years. If they genuinely wanted to tour Australia they'd make it happen. Wouldn't make enough money? Can't be bothered getting on a long-haul flight in First Class or on a private jet? Just a bit of honesty for once would be refreshing...

The most money to be made from touring in any single country is the United States. That's why the United States gets so many shows. Australia is small country compared to the United States, less than 10% the size in terms of population.
Correct. But a bit of honesty from the band that the lack of touring Australia for the last eight years is purely a financial decision would be appreciated. The weasel words they use like "we'd love to tour", or "we're trying to work something out" are just patronising, misleading and insulting.

I met Bono when I went to the 2015 London shows. I asked when they were coming and he said "We're working on it... we love playing Australia." Lol.

Yeah, that's my point - it's just a flat out lie. Disappointing from a man and a band that like to portray themselves as ethical...
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 03, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
Number of U2 shows in Australia to date - 60
Number of U2 tours in Australia to date - 6

Unforgettable Fire Tour - 1984
Lovetown Tour - 1989
ZOO TV Tour - 1993
Popmart Tour - 1998
Vertigo Tour - 2006
360 Tour - 2010
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 03, 2018, 10:05:34 PM
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Number of U2 shows in Australia to date - 60
Number of U2 tours in Australia to date - 6

Unforgettable Fire Tour - 1984
Lovetown Tour - 1989
ZOO TV Tour - 1993
Popmart Tour - 1998
Vertigo Tour - 2006
360 Tour - 2010

Number of U2 tours done since 360 - 3
Number of tours since 360 where Bono (or bandmate/s) claimed they were planning on coming to Australia - 3
Number of those tours that actually included Australia - 0
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: skelter on July 04, 2018, 06:32:51 AM
Lol your whining is getting comical. It's documented by Bino himself that Larry doesn't like SoE album. Has Larry every taken the mic to say "I'm not in favor of soe"?

No, he just doesn't promote the album or ei tour.

They are seasoned celebs. They know what not to say, which includes not "insulting" (in any sense) their aus fans.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 04, 2018, 07:08:41 AM
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Number of U2 shows in Australia to date - 60
Number of U2 tours in Australia to date - 6

Unforgettable Fire Tour - 1984
Lovetown Tour - 1989
ZOO TV Tour - 1993
Popmart Tour - 1998
Vertigo Tour - 2006
360 Tour - 2010

Number of U2 tours done since 360 - 3
Number of tours since 360 where Bono (or bandmate/s) claimed they were planning on coming to Australia - 3
Number of those tours that actually included Australia - 0

Number of times Boba Fett saw U2 in Australia?
Tours?
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: d.darroch on July 04, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
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Number of U2 shows in Australia to date - 60
Number of U2 tours in Australia to date - 6

Unforgettable Fire Tour - 1984
Lovetown Tour - 1989
ZOO TV Tour - 1993
Popmart Tour - 1998
Vertigo Tour - 2006
360 Tour - 2010

Number of U2 tours done since 360 - 3
Number of tours since 360 where Bono (or bandmate/s) claimed they were planning on coming to Australia - 3
Number of those tours that actually included Australia - 0

Number of times Boba Fett saw U2 in Australia?
Tours?
Your point?
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 04, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
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Number of U2 shows in Australia to date - 60
Number of U2 tours in Australia to date - 6

Unforgettable Fire Tour - 1984
Lovetown Tour - 1989
ZOO TV Tour - 1993
Popmart Tour - 1998
Vertigo Tour - 2006
360 Tour - 2010

Number of U2 tours done since 360 - 3
Number of tours since 360 where Bono (or bandmate/s) claimed they were planning on coming to Australia - 3
Number of those tours that actually included Australia - 0

Number of times Boba Fett saw U2 in Australia?
Tours?
Your point?

Curiosity.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 04, 2018, 04:04:57 PM
Every time they've toured the country actually.

But what's that got to do with my point? Which is simply that it would be nice if the band were honest with their fans in Australia instead of (at best) patronising them or (at worst) outright lying to them.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 04, 2018, 04:55:53 PM
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Every time they've toured the country actually.

But what's that got to do with my point? Which is simply that it would be nice if the band were honest with their fans in Australia instead of (at best) patronising them or (at worst) outright lying to them.

I was just asking. It has nothing to do with your point.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Tortuga on July 04, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Boba, how many times did you eat eggs last week?


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Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 04, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
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Boba, how many times did you eat eggs last week?


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I'm not eggsactly sure...;)
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Chargedvt on July 04, 2018, 07:00:48 PM
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Boba, how many times did you eat eggs last week?


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I'm not eggsactly sure...;)

That was a bad yolk... oops I mean joke ;)
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 04, 2018, 07:15:40 PM
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Boba, how many times did you eat eggs last week?


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I'm not eggsactly sure...;)

That was a bad yolk... oops I mean joke ;)
Everyone's a comedi-hen around here...:D
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 73October on July 05, 2018, 12:57:16 PM
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Boba, how many times did you eat eggs last week?


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I'm not eggsactly sure...;)

That was a bad yolk... oops I mean joke ;)
Everyone's a comedi-hen around here...:D
I'm not going to chicken out of making a joke!  :D
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: wons on July 05, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
I still think its a mistake to end this tour in Dublin. Despite what Adam has said, maybe they will come to their senses and extend the tour in 2019 to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other places in North America and Europe.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 64ac30 on July 05, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
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I still think its a mistake to end this tour in Dublin. Despite what Adam has said, maybe they will come to their senses and extend the tour in 2019 to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other places in North America and Europe.

I don’t think it’s a mistake. I think they’re tired of touring and need a looooooonnnnggggg break. People argue “why can’t u2 come to our country” when u2 could argue “why don’t you come see us in a country we’re playing”
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Tortuga on July 05, 2018, 05:03:05 PM
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I still think its a mistake to end this tour in Dublin. Despite what Adam has said, maybe they will come to their senses and extend the tour in 2019 to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other places in North America and Europe.

I don’t think it’s a mistake. I think they’re tired of touring and need a looooooonnnnggggg break. People argue “why can’t u2 come to our country” when u2 could argue “why don’t you come see us in a country we’re playing”


Well, lets face it.  It makes alot more sense for 4 people to go there than 40,000 to go somewhere else.  Australia is just way down there and the logistics and cost of flying that huge production down there for a few shows is probably hard to do profitably.  They should strip it back and just go down their with their techs and do some shows without all the baggage.


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Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: d.darroch on July 05, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
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I still think its a mistake to end this tour in Dublin. Despite what Adam has said, maybe they will come to their senses and extend the tour in 2019 to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other places in North America and Europe.

I don’t think it’s a mistake. I think they’re tired of touring and need a looooooonnnnggggg break. People argue “why can’t u2 come to our country” when u2 could argue “why don’t you come see us in a country we’re playing”

I don’t think it’s really a case of Aussies being pi**ed off, & saying “you guys don’t need a rest, come visit us”. It’s more of a case of “what’s the obsession with the US? We haven’t had a single show down under in about the last 8 years, while the US has had 4 tour legs in the last 3 years!”

If the band is feeling their age, & only feel like they have a limited number of shows in them, you’d like they’d be trying to reach the largest possible audience for those limited shows. Which of course means stadiums. If they want to play arenas (which offer a better quality, more immersive experience), you’d think they’d at least try to play in cities which would sell out, with arenas full of fans. Not over saturated markets & BF towns in the mid-west, where we get unsold seats, curtained off sections, free ticket handouts & a portion of the crowd that are really not too fussed to be there.

But alas, Live Nation has to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

I’m Australian, but have seen U2 on 3 continents. My overseas shows have been Elevation & i+e in Europe, & 2 legs of 360 in the US. But I’d love to see an arena show (or even a stadium) with my Aussie friends, they’ve only ever seen U2 in stadiums. But not everyone can take a transcontinental flight of between 14 & 24 hours, just to see a band. It’s expensive, plus you have to spend weeks overseas to justify the expense & time it takes to fly. It’s not like Scottish fans that have been complaining about catching a train for 2 or 3 hours.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: d.darroch on July 05, 2018, 07:20:02 PM
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Well, lets face it.  It makes alot more sense for 4 people to go there than 40,000 to go somewhere else.  Australia is just way down there and the logistics and cost of flying that huge production down there for a few shows is probably hard to do profitably.  They should strip it back and just go down their with their techs and do some shows without all the baggage.

I don’t think it’s suddenly become unprofitable to tour in Australia, plenty of other bands are doing it. Yeah, the Aussie dollar has dropped a bit. But it’s been far lower at other times when U2 has toured there. We’re also used to subsidising some of the cost, with higher ticket prices than the US.

I’m not sure of crowd sizes. But last time U2 visited Australia they had 2 shows (in-the-round 360 format) at Sydney’s ANZ stadium, capacity 83,000 (also 2 shows in Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth & Auckland). Previously, Sydney got 3 shows for Vertigo at the same stadium (end-stage format). The last time Sydney got arena shows, Lovetown, there were 8 shows in Sydney. If they pushed it, maybe they could do 6-8 arena shows in Sydney, 6 shows in Melbourne, 3-5 in Brisbane & Auckland, 2-4 shows in Perth/Adelaide, then add Asia. So the crowds wouldn’t be insignificant.

I’m sure a tour would be profitable. It’s just that Live Nation would have to share the profits, as their operations here aren’t the same scale they are in the US (ie. they don’t have a virtual monopoly). Their piece of the pie would be smaller. That’s the problem, it’s all about Live Nations profits & their greed.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Luzita on July 05, 2018, 08:25:24 PM
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Well, lets face it.  It makes alot more sense for 4 people to go there than 40,000 to go somewhere else.  Australia is just way down there and the logistics and cost of flying that huge production down there for a few shows is probably hard to do profitably.  They should strip it back and just go down their with their techs and do some shows without all the baggage.

I don’t think it’s suddenly become unprofitable to tour in Australia, plenty of other bands are doing it. Yeah, the Aussie dollar has dropped a bit. But it’s been far lower at other times when U2 has toured there. We’re also used to subsidising some of the cost, with higher ticket prices than the US.

I’m not sure of crowd sizes. But last time U2 visited Australia they had 2 shows (in-the-round 360 format) at Sydney’s ANZ stadium, capacity 83,000 (also 2 shows in Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth & Auckland). Previously, Sydney got 3 shows for Vertigo at the same stadium (end-stage format). The last time Sydney got arena shows, Lovetown, there were 8 shows in Sydney. If they pushed it, maybe they could do 6-8 arena shows in Sydney, 6 shows in Melbourne, 3-5 in Brisbane & Auckland, 2-4 shows in Perth/Adelaide, then add Asia. So the crowds wouldn’t be insignificant.

I’m sure a tour would be profitable. It’s just that Live Nation would have to share the profits, as their operations here aren’t the same scale they are in the US (ie. they don’t have a virtual monopoly). Their piece of the pie would be smaller. That’s the problem, it’s all about Live Nations profits & their greed.
I’m surprised by what Adam said, I really thought they’d be touring Australia next year. They talked about it earlier.


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Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Clarky on July 06, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Catlithco on July 06, 2018, 02:43:43 AM
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U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.

It's a pity that this forum doesn't have a "thank you" function for the postings, like the "like" button in FB.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on July 06, 2018, 06:06:43 PM
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I still think its a mistake to end this tour in Dublin. Despite what Adam has said, maybe they will come to their senses and extend the tour in 2019 to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other places in North America and Europe.

Dublin is the best place for U2 to end a tour, for obvious reasons. And Dublin 4 could very well be the final U2 show ever...cannot take any of it for granted. If they do tour after 2019, well, great! But don't assume. What we know 100% is Dublin 4 is the last show and then no plans.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 06, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
Clarky, I like your attitude! 8)  I just travelled 1500 miles round trip to see them in a new place--it was well worth it, and I got to visit a new city.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 06, 2018, 08:01:06 PM
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U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.
I’m not pi**ed off they’ve decided to ignore Australia for the last three tours in a row. I just think it would be nice if they didn’t continually lie to their fans about it. I agree with you that they have the right to do endless laps of the US if that’s what they want.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Gavin82 on July 07, 2018, 06:32:31 AM
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Clarky, I like your attitude! 8)  I just travelled 1500 miles round trip to see them in a new place--it was well worth it, and I got to visit a new city.


Where did you fly from & too too see U2 mate??
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Clarky on July 07, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
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U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.
I’m not pi**ed off they’ve decided to ignore Australia for the last three tours in a row. I just think it would be nice if they didn’t continually lie to their fans about it. I agree with you that they have the right to do endless laps of the US if that’s what they want.

For sure I was using the extreme as an example; I'm not saying that most or all are this way. I do feel like I pick up on a fair amount of, lets just say, annoyed attitudes because the band aren't going to a place that they want them to though, and that just comes across wrong to me. It's not your right to have U2 perform for you in your preferred city or town - it's a privilege to see them live. That's 100% how I've always felt and I don't always sense the same outlook from others when I see discussions on their touring schedules.
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: 73October on July 08, 2018, 10:15:57 AM
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U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.
I’m not pi**ed off they’ve decided to ignore Australia for the last three tours in a row. I just think it would be nice if they didn’t continually lie to their fans about it. I agree with you that they have the right to do endless laps of the US if that’s what they want.

For sure I was using the extreme as an example; I'm not saying that most or all are this way. I do feel like I pick up on a fair amount of, lets just say, annoyed attitudes because the band aren't going to a place that they want them to though, and that just comes across wrong to me. It's not your right to have U2 perform for you in your preferred city or town - it's a privilege to see them live. That's 100% how I've always felt and I don't always sense the same outlook from others when I see discussions on their touring schedules.
This is why my vacations will be short and few this year (and sometimes at home).  Another year, another U2 ticket (in my own country).  I have figured that I'd rather go and see U2 live than take a proper vacation because that could always happen another year.
Maybe I should be thinking of next year's trip now if nothing will happen on the touring side next year?
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: Boba Fett on July 08, 2018, 05:24:03 PM
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U2 can do what they want. I live in Aus, seen them once here. I love them to bits, but I'm not "pi**ed off" that they might not come back. I'm not an entitled millennial who thinks that this band owes me anything. They're 60 years old. They've given myself and all of us so much over the years and to think that some people actually get borderline outraged that they aren't going to come to their town is quite frankly a reflection of the selfish and privileged instant-gratification consumerist culture we live in today. They have their reasons for touring when and where they do, so just accept it.
I’m not pi**ed off they’ve decided to ignore Australia for the last three tours in a row. I just think it would be nice if they didn’t continually lie to their fans about it. I agree with you that they have the right to do endless laps of the US if that’s what they want.

For sure I was using the extreme as an example; I'm not saying that most or all are this way. I do feel like I pick up on a fair amount of, lets just say, annoyed attitudes because the band aren't going to a place that they want them to though, and that just comes across wrong to me. It's not your right to have U2 perform for you in your preferred city or town - it's a privilege to see them live. That's 100% how I've always felt and I don't always sense the same outlook from others when I see discussions on their touring schedules.
I think privilege is going a bit far - I think it's more about luck (is the band touring your country/area/city?) and opportunity (can you afford the ticket prices?). But you're spot on that there is no 'requirement' as such from the band to tour anywhere specific. Totally up to them. 
Title: Re: Adam clayton 2019 unlikely
Post by: shineinthesummernight on July 08, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
I travelled from Michigan to Washington D.C. and was fortunate to be able to do so.  I recommend seeing a U2 show outside of your usual city/locale.  It was a lot of fun and it got me out to see the monuments and museums.  Nineteen Smithsonian museums are free to the public.  Also, all the cool memorials--the Lincoln, the Jefferson, the WWII, the Korean and Vietnam memorials.  Well worth seeing and we all need a reminder of our patriotic roots at this time.