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Title: A rare dandellion...
Post by: singnomore on July 02, 2019, 06:12:10 AM
Great work by our tours team and especially Aaron who acquired the tape! 

Anyone listened to the samples - whats your thoughts?

https://www.atu2.com/news/the-search-is-over-finding-a-rare-dandelion-in-the-market.html
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: kevtn43 on July 02, 2019, 09:51:52 AM
I haven't yet but definitely plan on it, i can't believe that they don't have this in their storage
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Post by: singnomore on July 02, 2019, 09:53:49 AM
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I haven't yet but definitely plan on it, i can't believe that they don't have this in their storage

It is just a couple of samples we get - pretty cool mind
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Post by: kevtn43 on July 02, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Awesome i can't wait to listen, it's like Christmas came early lol
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Post by: Mozz on July 02, 2019, 01:11:36 PM
Will the whole show be available at some point? The samples are great but just a tease!
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Post by: singnomore on July 02, 2019, 02:31:23 PM
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Will the whole show be available at some point? The samples are great but just a tease!

Iím not sure - bearing in mind Aaron (who is an avid collector of all things U2) paid a fair wee sun for it I really donít know if he will.
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Post by: acrobatique on July 03, 2019, 10:08:34 AM
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Iím not sure - bearing in mind Aaron (who is an avid collector of all things U2) paid a fair wee sun for it I really donít know if he will.

Really? Where does it say that in the article? It merely says atU2 acquired it, came into possession of it.
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Tortuga on July 03, 2019, 05:45:45 PM
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Will the whole show be available at some point? The samples are great but just a tease!

Iím not sure - bearing in mind Aaron (who is an avid collector of all things U2) paid a fair wee sun for it I really donít know if he will.
Is that even his decision to make? He owns the tape but doesnít U2 own the music it contains?  Wouldnít anyone in possession of that tape need U2ís permission to make it publicly available?

I realize in actual practice these things are overlooked but in this case with @U2 involved (if it is) seems like explicit permission would be a good idea.


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Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: soloyan on July 04, 2019, 05:42:04 AM
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Will the whole show be available at some point? The samples are great but just a tease!

Iím not sure - bearing in mind Aaron (who is an avid collector of all things U2) paid a fair wee sun for it I really donít know if he will.

I understand that he paid a lot. And that's already questionable, if you want my opinion. But what's the point in showing off if it's not shared ? Genuinely asking, because right now, it's just a matter of "hey people, I have something uber rare that nobody else can have" and @U2 is getting a lot of hype from it. Do you support him not sharing ? What's your strategy, here ?

It's taking us back to the old days of bootleging when an elite of collectors had access to the best recordings and the rest of the world had no right because they weren't worthy.
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Post by: soloyan on July 04, 2019, 09:31:32 AM
And now, @U2 is posting this article on Facebook, stating that Aaron got the tape for free... I'm confused.

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/music/4288332/u2-bootleg-tape-dublin-1979-gift-30k-auction/
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: singnomore on July 04, 2019, 09:38:50 AM
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And now, @U2 is posting this article on Facebook, stating that Aaron got the tape for free... I'm confused.

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/music/4288332/u2-bootleg-tape-dublin-1979-gift-30k-auction/
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I'd go by the article - must have been my bad and my misunderstanding - the Sun spoke directly to him.

I think all that's going on is the Tours team have got detail they didn't have before - this tape is part of it. They have done a huge exercise in piecing together
 early set lists - simple as that. Its been picked up on I guess as its a pretty special find.
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Post by: Smee on July 04, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
Im really liking the 2 snippets of the rare songs i have heard. Such energy in them.
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Post by: singnomore on July 04, 2019, 09:47:11 AM
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Im really liking the 2 snippets of the rare songs i have heard. Such energy in them.

I agree - both so why i got into this band in a big way!
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Post by: Smee on July 04, 2019, 09:55:01 AM
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Im really liking the 2 snippets of the rare songs i have heard. Such energy in them.

I agree - both so why i got into this band in a big way!

They just have that early u2 sound to them.
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Post by: singnomore on July 04, 2019, 09:56:08 AM
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Im really liking the 2 snippets of the rare songs i have heard. Such energy in them.

I agree - both so why i got into this band in a big way!

They just have that early u2 sound to them.

They do - even among the heavier guitars you can hear Edges distinctive chimes
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Gavin Tuesday on July 04, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
Does anyone else think it's just a wee bit douchey that this guy isn't releasing this?
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Post by: bonorules on July 04, 2019, 10:51:46 AM
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Does anyone else think it's just a wee bit douchey that this guy isn't releasing this?

Nope, don't think that at all. He did the work to find it and may or may not have paid his own money for it, so it is his to do with what he wants. What I do think is that it is hilarious the amount of entitlement and jealousy coming from some fans and other U2 sites who are seeming to almost demand that he release the entire tape.

What he has released sounds amazing and I'm happy to have a chance to listen to it. Thanks Aaron!
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Gavin Tuesday on July 04, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
I disagree. I think he's acting a little precious about the whole thing.

And I really don't care about the tape, it sounds incredibly garbled, so I'm not "jealous". I never listen to old U2 boots.

So while the tape belongs to him, that music doesn't. It's a piece of U2 history. It's frankly selfish to keep to himself.
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Tortuga on July 04, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
Its a bootleg.  Legally, U2 is the only party that can release it.  I realize bootlegs have been sold and traded for years.  But with all the attention this is getting Iím not sure it can be handled the usual way.


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Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Gavin Tuesday on July 04, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
Of course it can. In fact I'm sure U2 would love it. Bono has already said he doesn't care about boots, as long as no one is selling (or buying) them. There's a million boots out there and entire websites devoted to U2 boots. No one would care.

All the guy is doing is keeping this music for himself and people are thanking him like he's doing them a favour. He should gift this music to the world and be hero.But he's apparently enjoying the attention and keeping it to himself. If he wasn't going to share it, why bother publishing the discovery at all?
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: soloyan on July 05, 2019, 02:36:13 AM
I'm sure there are many bootlegs in private collections that never saw the light of day, wether it's because people are unaware of what they have or not willing to share.

Difference is, they don't advertise. They don't show off.
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: singnomore on July 05, 2019, 05:27:40 AM
I think you guys are being a bit unfair - the tape surfaced because of work the tours team were doing. Aaron is a collector and obviously really buzzed to get hold of the tape. Its grabbed a lot of attention - agreed - but yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Tortuga on July 05, 2019, 06:11:23 AM
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Ibut yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.

Can you explain what you mean by this?
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Post by: singnomore on July 05, 2019, 06:23:38 AM
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Ibut yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I was referencing comments above suggesting he was showing off etc.
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Post by: Tortuga on July 05, 2019, 06:59:37 AM
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Ibut yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I was referencing comments above suggesting he was showing off etc.

Okay.  I think the problem is that if no one is going to be able to hear the tape, what is the point in even telling everyone about it?  So in the end the story (and your original post) is about him acquiring the tape, not the tape itself.  I mean, I get it if its a point of historical interest but U2 is barring sharing. But if its a matter of coming on here and congratulating someone on apparently being given something that they donít in turn want to share, then yeah, the story is probably going to end up being about ďhimĒ and not the recording.
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Post by: singnomore on July 05, 2019, 07:25:42 AM
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Ibut yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I was referencing comments above suggesting he was showing off etc.

Okay.  I think the problem is that if no one is going to be able to hear the tape, what is the point in even telling everyone about it?  So in the end the story (and your original post) is about him acquiring the tape, not the tape itself.  I mean, I get it if its a point of historical interest but U2 is barring sharing. But if its a matter of coming on here and congratulating someone on apparently being given something that they donít in turn want to share, then yeah, the story is probably going to end up being about ďhimĒ and not the recording.

Everyoneís entitled to a view - thatís not how I would see it but Iím probably looking at it through a different glass
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Post by: Tortuga on July 05, 2019, 07:29:19 AM
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Ibut yes no need for him to share the content and its not about him. Its about the recording.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

I was referencing comments above suggesting he was showing off etc.

Okay.  I think the problem is that if no one is going to be able to hear the tape, what is the point in even telling everyone about it?  So in the end the story (and your original post) is about him acquiring the tape, not the tape itself.  I mean, I get it if its a point of historical interest but U2 is barring sharing. But if its a matter of coming on here and congratulating someone on apparently being given something that they donít in turn want to share, then yeah, the story is probably going to end up being about ďhimĒ and not the recording.

Everyoneís entitled to a view - thatís not how I would see it but Iím probably looking at it through a different glass


Sure.  When the rest of us have heard the recording, and can therefore really actually discuss it Iím sure we will and the recording will then become the real story.  Thanks.


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Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: laoghaire on July 05, 2019, 07:49:31 AM
I'm sure nobody meant to be a douche and I'm sorry the exciting news turned sour, but yes, Aaron might want to examine his motivations for putting the fact of his purchase, and a teaser recording, out in public.

If he bought an object like a car, sure, he can tell his friends and post pic, but the car can't be shared without losing its value via overuse, inconvenience, damage, etc.

But a recording (audio or visual) of historical or cultural significance is a different matter. If he had bought a photograph of JFK kissing Marilyn Monroe and bragged about it and posted a zoomed in shot of JFK's left eye and a tuft of Marilyn's hair, people will wonder why he couldn't just show us the damn picture - or shut up about it if he didn't want to share it. He loses nothing by sharing the recording - his won't break or be less available to him - unless the value to him was just the ability to brag, and that's something worth examining in yourself.

Of course he doesn't have to share. But if he is going to keep it to himself, then he should keep it to himself.
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Post by: Tortuga on July 05, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
I still think its the band and whoever else might have a legal interest in the recording that needs to explicitly give permission to make public this unique recording.  General comments Bono has made about bootlegs, that we are all well aware of, notwithstanding.  So Iím making no judgement on this Aaron guy.

My problem was the statement that he paid a lot for it so he may not want to share it.  Or if it was given to him and the band was cool with him sharing it, he still might choose not to because it is ďhisĒ.  But it seems none of us really know the facts including singnomore so probably not fair to pass judgement based on what may or may not happen with the recording eventually.

My point was really that its unrealistic to create a post inviting people to discuss a tape they canít listen to and then expect them not to discuss their frustration that they canít listen to it.


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Post by: ultravioletacrobat on July 05, 2019, 12:11:59 PM
Wow... This is fantastic! Thanks for sharing...
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: singnomore on July 05, 2019, 01:15:57 PM
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I still think its the band and whoever else might have a legal interest in the recording that needs to explicitly give permission to make public this unique recording.  General comments Bono has made about bootlegs, that we are all well aware of, notwithstanding.  So Iím making no judgement on this Aaron guy.

My problem was the statement that he paid a lot for it so he may not want to share it.  Or if it was given to him and the band was cool with him sharing it, he still might choose not to because it is ďhisĒ.  But it seems none of us really know the facts including singnomore so probably not fair to pass judgement based on what may or may not happen with the recording eventually.

My point was really that its unrealistic to create a post inviting people to discuss a tape they canít listen to and then expect them not to discuss their frustration that they canít listen to it.


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No Iím happy for people to express a view - no intent from myself to close anything down.
My point for the original posting was about the recording - Iíve not heard the full thing nor do I expect to. I enjoyed the snippets I heard. I do see itís caused a bit of a storm so I can understand why there are alternative views.
Title: Re: A rare dandellion...
Post by: Gavin Tuesday on July 12, 2019, 01:05:41 PM
Has Aaron put this full show out to the world yet, or is he still keeping it all for himself?
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Post by: scott7 on July 20, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
Aaron provided the full story on the most recent atu2 podcast. He was given the tape and is going to donate it to the U2 museum in Dublin. U2 contacted him and asked him not to release it meantime. They were interested in the tape and got a digital copy from the guy who recorded and who is still a musician in Dublin. Here's the podcast link here. Aaron is a great guy, a fan and collector since way back and a friend of mine and would release it if he could I am sure. I am equally sure he can't and shouldn't without U2's permission even if it is only as a courtesy to them in light of their request. https://share.transistor.fm/s/1a670378
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Post by: Tortuga on July 20, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
This is exactly as it should be handled.  As I said before, it should not be released without U2ís permission.  They are the owners of the content on the tape and this is different than general bootlegs of current shows that are out there.
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Post by: Ivanobe on July 20, 2019, 11:48:59 PM
I don't visit the forum very often and stumbled across this thread, and would like to make a quick comment about the tape.

The attention on releasing the audio of the tape is inevitably of great interest to U2 fans, and U2 themselves were almost first off the blocks in requesting a copy of the full concert which they now have, via Pete the original taper of the show, and he also became very aware of the historical 'first' content. I have been very fortunate to be able to at least make the tape aware to all and sundry, I was quite amazed at the 'viral effect the internet has had on this artefact.

I was subsequently asked to discuss the tape (And other memorabilia that I own) with the management in Dublin.

By conicidence I am visiting Dublin soon, and a meeting has been arranged.

As part of that meeting, I am hoping that the band and/or management may give an update on their view of releasing the audio. It is obviously nothing like the band would have ever released before - it is not a soundboard recording made officially- think the 10" vinyl and download release of the fan club Another Time a few years back - but I am hoping to gently persuade that given the historical context that they should release it by way of a fan club release or archival box set that I am sure will be a future plan. All told, out of professional courtesy, that I had given an undertaking not to upload to a torrent site (it would be a first for me in any case to do so, I have never done an original upload, as all my live collection of concerts are all up on torrents, except the Dandelion of course) and I will respect in the meantime. They are satisfied that the short samples we posted on YouTube were done with that in mind and respect of their copywrite, etc, something that also needs to be considered.


To clarify is not my intention to hoard this tape at all, which is why I would love to see it displayed at the proposed museum, and I urge other fans to consider that they may have unique or interesting items from all eras of U2s career that the band simply will not have to be honest. I think they would welcome that interaction, and I plan to suggest that to management when we meet - how splendid it would be to see a mixture of fan memorabilia - even homemade - mixed with band artefacts.

I promise to advise the outcome of the meeting, 're audio, in the hope that I have permission from them to do so of course.

With best regards
Aaron
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Post by: scott7 on July 21, 2019, 07:13:34 AM
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This is exactly as it should be handled.  As I said before, it should not be released without U2ís permission.  They are the owners of the content on the tape and this is different than general bootlegs of current shows that are out there.
yup, I couldn't agree more.
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Post by: singnomore on July 21, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
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I don't visit the forum very often and stumbled across this thread, and would like to make a quick comment about the tape.

The attention on releasing the audio of the tape is inevitably of great interest to U2 fans, and U2 themselves were almost first off the blocks in requesting a copy of the full concert which they now have, via Pete the original taper of the show, and he also became very aware of the historical 'first' content. I have been very fortunate to be able to at least make the tape aware to all and sundry, I was quite amazed at the 'viral effect the internet has had on this artefact.

I was subsequently asked to discuss the tape (And other memorabilia that I own) with the management in Dublin.

By conicidence I am visiting Dublin soon, and a meeting has been arranged.

As part of that meeting, I am hoping that the band and/or management may give an update on their view of releasing the audio. It is obviously nothing like the band would have ever released before - it is not a soundboard recording made officially- think the 10" vinyl and download release of the fan club Another Time a few years back - but I am hoping to gently persuade that given the historical context that they should release it by way of a fan club release or archival box set that I am sure will be a future plan. All told, out of professional courtesy, that I had given an undertaking not to upload to a torrent site (it would be a first for me in any case to do so, I have never done an original upload, as all my live collection of concerts are all up on torrents, except the Dandelion of course) and I will respect in the meantime. They are satisfied that the short samples we posted on YouTube were done with that in mind and respect of their copywrite, etc, something that also needs to be considered.


To clarify is not my intention to hoard this tape at all, which is why I would love to see it displayed at the proposed museum, and I urge other fans to consider that they may have unique or interesting items from all eras of U2s career that the band simply will not have to be honest. I think they would welcome that interaction, and I plan to suggest that to management when we meet - how splendid it would be to see a mixture of fan memorabilia - even homemade - mixed with band artefacts.

I promise to advise the outcome of the meeting, 're audio, in the hope that I have permission from them to do so of course.

With best regards
Aaron

Thanks for the clarification Aaron - all the best with your discussions.
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Post by: laoghaire on July 23, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
That all makes sense, Aaron, thanks.