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Title: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on September 24, 2019, 02:10:34 PM
The rumor is that Ryan Tedder says he'll be producing the next album.

I love SOI and SOE. And I am extremely bummed about this news.

Sorry, Ryan. But U2 did that direction, and I'm fine with it. But I think they kind of already did their thing with you. Project is done, era is closed. I like it. And I'm ready to move on.

Also, Ryan, for your own sake you should pass on this anyway. If I were a producer, I'd avoid U2 like the plague.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Vox on September 24, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
That's a bit disappointing to me, after the past two albums...  I liked the last one fine, but I'm not sure he was able to elicit that certain magical spark which is essential for this band.  However, in his defense, maybe that's just not possible anymore.

If it's true they produce 70 versions of the same song, hopefully they pick the right versions of songs for this album.

Actually, though I never thought I'd say it again, I wouldn't mind another Eno/Lanois collaboration at this point.  Followed by Flood.   
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Luzita on September 24, 2019, 03:13:51 PM
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Also, Ryan, for your own sake you should pass on this anyway. If I were a producer, I'd avoid U2 like the plague.

LOL! Yes, they must drive producers to distraction. They're perfectionists who write songs by jamming and, at this stage of their careers, have the time and money to keep tinkering endlessly. The home page has some quotes from Tedder to that effect but U2Songs has a longer quote from an Italian interview:

“Bono and The Edge are like conductors. They listen to the demos and assemble the songs by taking the melody from one demo, the chords from another, the strings from a third demo. With them a song is never finished. You spend three months working on a piece, you leave and everyone seems happy with the result. Bono and the others go to Eze, in France, and they spend three weeks and they call you: ‘Ryan, Ryan, we’re thinking of speeding up the song, and maybe putting something punk on it like a new bass line. Ah yes, another thing, I completely rewrote the lyrics.’ And this thing happens with all of the songs! U2 are the best group on the planet but with them its not uncommon to produce 70 versions of a single song.”

He must be a sucker for punishment.

The interview also says the band want to make the next album quite different from SOI and SOE, which is fine by me. Though I like SOI and love SOE, I'm ready for different.

I know there's a subset of fans who view Ryan Tedder as the devil incarnate but I'm not quite sure why. The albums he's involved with are good, after all. I'll have to look more closely at the credits for each song and see if there's any pattern to the Ryan Tedder influence.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on September 24, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
I would also have to study the credits for each song, but on SOI I had previously noticed I like Danger Mouse's work better.

Honestly, I feel like Eno is the greatest thing that ever happened to U2. But I doubt he will ever work with them again. So I just want somebody new.

I also look forward to a different direction, but I don't know how much I believe their vows to strip it down, not over produce, etc.

I can only hope. 
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: miryclay on September 24, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
The U2/ENO/Lanois bridge has some baggage over song writing credits, no?
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on September 25, 2019, 03:51:09 AM
Let’s just hope this is not true. 
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on September 25, 2019, 07:24:25 AM
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The U2/ENO/Lanois bridge has some baggage over song writing credits, no?

I think you are right plus the last time they actually got credits the album (No Line) didn't do very well.

Bit disappointed myself - my only hope is they talk about it being more stripped down and less over produced
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on September 25, 2019, 09:16:50 AM
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The U2/ENO/Lanois bridge has some baggage over song writing credits, no?

I think you are right plus the last time they actually got credits the album (No Line) didn't do very well.

Bit disappointed myself - my only hope is they talk about it being more stripped down and less over produced
Tedder = dumbed down pop songs like Summer of Love

The two comments aren’t even compatible.   The best thing about this rumor is that U2 albums almost never end up being finished by the producer they begin with.


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Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on September 25, 2019, 09:37:38 AM
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The U2/ENO/Lanois bridge has some baggage over song writing credits, no?

I think you are right plus the last time they actually got credits the album (No Line) didn't do very well.

Bit disappointed myself - my only hope is they talk about it being more stripped down and less over produced
Tedder = dumbed down pop songs like Summer of Love

The two comments aren’t even compatible.   The best thing about this rumor is that U2 albums almost never end up being finished by the producer they begin with.


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It all remains to be seen in the U2 world - who knows. Personally I like Summer of Love but I'm also a big lover of the October album - so in some U2 fans eyes what would i know  8)
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: miryclay on September 25, 2019, 10:49:48 AM
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The U2/ENO/Lanois bridge has some baggage over song writing credits, no?

Those visual charts we see in the U2 studio sessions? They are not for songs they are actually for producers!


I think you are right plus the last time they actually got credits the album (No Line) didn't do very well.

Bit disappointed myself - my only hope is they talk about it being more stripped down and less over produced
Tedder = dumbed down pop songs like Summer of Love

The two comments aren’t even compatible.   The best thing about this rumor is that U2 albums almost never end up being finished by the producer they begin with.


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Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: pan360 on September 25, 2019, 03:06:22 PM
I was hoping for a return of Eno/Lanois. And if they were to involve one of the new producers, I would prefer Andy Barlow. The magical songs in SOE were the ones produced by him. And why not a collaboration of Barlow/ Eno/ Lanois? In any case there will be more than one producers not just this Tedder guy.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: achtung child on September 25, 2019, 06:25:47 PM
This album is never happening LOLZ!!
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on September 26, 2019, 01:35:01 AM
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I was hoping for a return of Eno/Lanois. And if they were to involve one of the new producers, I would prefer Andy Barlow. The magical songs in SOE were the ones produced by him. And why not a collaboration of Barlow/ Eno/ Lanois? In any case there will be more than one producers not just this Tedder guy.

I would like to see Eno and Lanois again - all depends if Bono has got the need for relevance out of his system  ::)
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on September 26, 2019, 04:46:29 PM
+1 for "Enois' and Danger Mice."
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Argo on September 26, 2019, 06:14:45 PM
Whilst would also prefer it not to be Tedder, any U2 album is still a good thing.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Boba Fett on September 28, 2019, 01:57:28 AM
Someone like Brendan O’Brien would be interesting. And would almost certainly result in a more stripped down, organic sound.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on September 28, 2019, 08:04:17 AM
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Someone like Brendan O’Brien would be interesting. And would almost certainly result in a more stripped down, organic sound.

Would seem to meet the description a you say looking at some of the bands he has produced.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: World71R on September 28, 2019, 08:37:55 PM
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That's a bit disappointing to me, after the past two albums...  I liked the last one fine, but I'm not sure he was able to elicit that certain magical spark which is essential for this band.  However, in his defense, maybe that's just not possible anymore.

If it's true they produce 70 versions of the same song, hopefully they pick the right versions of songs for this album.

Actually, though I never thought I'd say it again, I wouldn't mind another Eno/Lanois collaboration at this point.  Followed by Flood.   

I'd love to have Flood do the next album with Danger Mouse (if he wanted to work with the band again). That would elicit that magical spark and really allow for something exciting.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: McSwilly on September 30, 2019, 08:04:53 AM
Bad news. What rock and roll band needs a song writing partner producer? Maybe that is why the last two albums were so bad.

for almost every album Bono hypes us by saying they are returning to their Punk roots. Really?

How about the 4 guys plug in and play some rock songs and record them.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: JaraSangASongAWeapon on October 01, 2019, 12:14:28 AM
Whoever the producer is on the mythical next (and probably final) U2 album, just make it sound like this one thing: Larry's drum intro on Bullet The Blue Sky. Oh, and some Edge chiming guitar stuff.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: u2live on October 01, 2019, 06:28:51 AM
How about some mature pop/rock?  Enough chasing the kids
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on October 02, 2019, 12:04:07 AM
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How about some mature pop/rock?  Enough chasing the kids

I'm there too - that said i do like the last 2 albums but i feel they have kind of done that
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: pan360 on October 02, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
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How about some mature pop/rock?  Enough chasing the kids

I'm there too - that said i do like the last 2 albums but i feel they have kind of done that

“…what if the disc had the sound of four musicians playing in a room?” as Ryan Tedder puts it in the interview and with him as a producer the result could be something worse than HTDAB…
Title: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 02, 2019, 05:24:59 PM
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How about some mature pop/rock?  Enough chasing the kids

I'm there too - that said i do like the last 2 albums but i feel they have kind of done that

“…what if the disc had the sound of four musicians playing in a room?” as Ryan Tedder puts it in the interview and with him as a producer the result could be something worse than HTDAB…

Just the fact that he finds the idea of “the sound of four musicians playing in a room” to be novel shows you what a different world Tedder grew up in (compared to musicians who came up in the 70s and 80s).  It also shows how far from their soul U2 have wandered to be working with that mentality.  Maybe the loss of energy on the SOE tour had as much to do with the way they work now as it does age or health.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: u2live on October 03, 2019, 06:35:06 AM
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How about some mature pop/rock?  Enough chasing the kids

I'm there too - that said i do like the last 2 albums but i feel they have kind of done that

“…what if the disc had the sound of four musicians playing in a room?” as Ryan Tedder puts it in the interview and with him as a producer the result could be something worse than HTDAB…

Just the fact that he finds the idea of “the sound of four musicians playing in a room” to be novel shows you what a different world Tedder grew up in (compared to musicians who came up in the 70s and 80s).  It also shows how far from their soul U2 have wandered to be working with that mentality.  Maybe the loss of energy on the SOE tour had as much to do with the way they work now as it does age or health.



I just find it funny that the band loves talking about Leonard Cohen, Dylan, Springsteen, Sinatra etc. talking about how cool and amazing they are yet keep releasing albums with producers to chase a hit..............
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Onob_Nosweh on October 03, 2019, 05:53:33 PM
I think Nigel Godrich would be interesting. Maybe Greg Kurstin.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: mkselucas on October 04, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
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Honestly, I feel like Eno is the greatest thing that ever happened to U2. But I doubt he will ever work with them again. So I just want somebody new.

I also look forward to a different direction, but I don't know how much I believe their vows to strip it down, not over produce

Two words: Rick Rubin.

But that would require the band to (gasp!) give up control and try a different approach. As y’all probably recall, they attempted to work with Rubin in 2008 but shelved whatever work was done.

Edge said, “He gave us great advice as much as anything. His whole thing is, ‘Don’t go near the studio until you know exactly what you want to do’, which, of course, is the opposite of how we usually work.”

Maybe that’s what’s needed?

If not Rubin, then T-Bone Burnett?

Or, as someone else offered, Godrich?

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Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on October 06, 2019, 12:18:26 PM
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I was hoping for a return of Eno/Lanois. And if they were to involve one of the new producers, I would prefer Andy Barlow. The magical songs in SOE were the ones produced by him. And why not a collaboration of Barlow/ Eno/ Lanois? In any case there will be more than one producers not just this Tedder guy.

I would like to see Eno and Lanois again - all depends if Bono has got the need for relevance out of his system  ::)

He won't, sigh. It's engraved into his soul. (Thanks, Bob.)
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 06, 2019, 08:20:17 PM
He will never quit caring about relevance but he might come to redefine it as something other than record sales and radio airplay.  I feel like a lot of artists produce some of their best work late in their careers because they come to see success as something different than they used to.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on October 07, 2019, 12:54:14 PM
I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 07, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on October 07, 2019, 05:04:09 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: u2live on October 08, 2019, 06:33:52 AM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.



Having a hit song today doesn't really say much in terms of integrity.  If they are making music that truly means something to them then I applaud them but it's not coming across that way for me anyway.  The optics show a band trying too hard to be relevant whatever that means for them but from where I'm sitting it's making them look more throw away then ever. 
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on October 08, 2019, 01:35:16 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

Yes, I think the way we are using "relevance" in this context is shorthand for "cultural relevance," and the culture referenced by this would be mass culture.

What specifically do you see as having been dumbed down?
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on October 08, 2019, 01:44:12 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.

I think you're right that they started seeing how their craft was done and then started consciously doing it, whereas before it was intuition and dumb luck.

I'm not sure what you meant about Bono cringeing at vocals - you mean his own? He shamefully told Ellen he thought he sounded like a girl. That doesn't sound remotely like snobbery to me. That sounds like the shame of a man whose father was determined not to be proud of him, and who made an effort to take him down a notch at any opportunity.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 08, 2019, 02:04:48 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

Yes, I think the way we are using "relevance" in this context is shorthand for "cultural relevance," and the culture referenced by this would be mass culture.

What specifically do you see as having been dumbed down?

First, very literal lyrics that are not crafted to have multiple meanings depending on who you are or where you are in life.  This strips the music of its depth.  Most of SOI/SOE are like this.  Its easier to explain by pointing out the exceptions:  SLABT, Troubles, Crystal Ballroom...not much from SOE....maybe Landlady and LIAWHL.

Second, music that is easy to find catchy on first listen (not at all challenging) and becomes boring very quickly.  It’s easily accessible because it uses tried and true musical cliches that are very familiar to our ears.  That’s great for radio but it leaves me flat after two or three listens I’m skipping...next track...next track.

When they were young they had the advantage of not being able to play other people’s music which forced them to be original.  Now they’ve learned a lot, plus they bring in hitmaker producers instead of ones focused on creating something that is more art than craft.  Its just a completely different thing they are trying to do.  They are capable of being artists, but they prefer to be pop stars.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on October 08, 2019, 09:02:11 PM
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.

I think you're right that they started seeing how their craft was done and then started consciously doing it, whereas before it was intuition and dumb luck.

I'm not sure what you meant about Bono cringeing at vocals - you mean his own? He shamefully told Ellen he thought he sounded like a girl. That doesn't sound remotely like snobbery to me. That sounds like the shame of a man whose father was determined not to be proud of him, and who made an effort to take him down a notch at any opportunity.

Bono has talked about songs like Red Hill where he is open about not liking the original vocal. I imagine he has come to that conclusion after years of learning his craft. If I use that example versus how I relate to that song growing up and hearing it for the first time when it came it I do get irked. For me the vocal on the song is a centrepiece to the Joshua Tree and sums up why that album is great. The Ellen piece I can’t comment on but I have no doubt you are right around some of the dynamics going on with him personally.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: laoghaire on October 09, 2019, 01:37:43 PM
That Red Hill vocal is one of the highlights of his career.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: singnomore on October 09, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
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That Red Hill vocal is one of the highlights of his career.

Agree!
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Post by: fresno dave on October 10, 2019, 08:44:14 PM
Teams of producers that could do U2 justice, and spur creativity
Here's my list.  Post yours.  Dream big..

Elijah Hewson/Bill Nelson
Trent Reznor/Flood
Mike Peters/Bill Bruford
 Lanois/T Bone Burnett
 Charlie Peacock/Rick Rubin
Tony Levin/Lydia Ainsworth
Andy Prickett,/Butch Vigg
Glen Hansard/Burton Cummings
Jon Foreman/Ty Tabor
Aaron Weiss/Brian Wilson
Rick Rubin/Eno
David Byrne/Patti Smith
Nellie Hooper/Andy Barlow
Todd Rundgren/Chris Thomas
Quincy Jones/Steve Lillywhite
Thom Powers/Nigel Godrich
Iggy Pop/Ryan Tedder
Florence Welch/Tony Visconti
Jacknife Lee /David Crowder
Neil Young/David Gilmour
Michael Knott/Kevin Max
Robert Fripp/Steve Hindalong
Edge/Steve Taylor
Howard Benson/Jim Kerr
Bill Nelson/Declan Gaffney
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: DPardue on October 11, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
A Rick Rubin/Eno tandem is an intriguing possibility.  I am unsure if they could effectively coexist for months on end in the booth, but I do think it could yield some darn interesting results.
Title: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 11, 2019, 07:38:56 AM
I’m a big Switchfoot fan but I don’t think Jon Foreman or Charlie Peacock would necessarily be a good match for U2.  As U2 has gravitated more (culturally speaking) to the contemporary Christian world, it seems to have doubled down on Bono’s own worst tendency to at times lean too much to the literal and the obvious.  Lines like “I’m a long long way from your hill on calvary” make it easy to include a U2 song in a worship service but fall below U2’s best in song craft.    I’ve seen U2 come closer and closer to merging with that culture since ATYCLB.

The relationship with Tedder (who is a Tulsa born and raised ORU graduate steeped in that culture) is evidence of this trend.  (Coincidence that SOE opened in Tulsa?)

I have nothing against the faith, per se.  I just think that culture values more direct and literal lyrics and shuns ambiguity...and when U2 leans that way their art is a whole lot less interesting.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: shineinthesummernight on October 11, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
Most of the lyrics aren't that obvious.  I'm thinking for example of Every Breaking Wave--lots of metaphors, can be interpreted a multitude of ways.  If U2 wants to throw an occasional reference in to Calvary or Jesus or whatever, that's good by me.
Title: Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
Post by: Tortuga on October 11, 2019, 11:21:35 PM
There has always been a mix.  And there is always room on an album for some straightforward lyrics. You mention EBW.  It’s a song I happen to like and the lyrics are clever in terms of metaphor but its still a fairly literal song.  Compare it to songs like Elvis Presley and America or Promenade or MOS or Unknown Caller.


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