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Title: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 08:02:17 PM
for starters, i obviously love u2. secondly, i whole-heartedly applaud all of the causes u2 as a band support. they are probably one of (if not THE) most noble bands in the history of music. as regards humanitiarian and social issues, their music and it's subject matter speaks for itself, and i, for one, couldn't agree more with the band.

am i wrong in stating that we all recognise their position on these issues, and that we don't need reminding of them when we see them live in concert? i don't like oasis, and i'm not particularly fond of the gallagher brothers generally, but there's one thing i had to agree with which came from the mouth of noel, and it was when he was commenting on bono's "preaching", particularly on the last tour. when bono spent about 5 mins talking about Africa etc.. gallagher pointed out that he wanted bono to "f*ck up and just sing ONE".

u2, (bono, really) will get plenty of airtime on TV to promote these (noble) issues. their music and lyrics alone are enough to carry the message. the thing which annoys me slightly is the sight of bono preaching during a concert, when he is generally preaching to the converted, i presume.

the sad fact is, it comes across as patronising and slightly condescending when we hear bono "going on a bit". bono knows that the majority of u2 fans are intelligent. the whole world knows where the band stands regarding particular issues. so, imho, there is no need. i hope when i go to croke park in dublin, he isn't going to refer to the latest outbreak of dissident republican violence here in the north of ireland during, for example, sunday bloody sunday. the Whole country is against the violence, we know u2 are against it. just play the music and leave out the messages. sorry for going on a bit here, but i hate the idea that u2's often cheesy concert sloganeering could become as much a part of their legacy as their magnificent music. 

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: birdlover on March 27, 2009, 08:07:26 PM
I see it as anything but cheesy. I am looking forward to his talking about issues that matter to him. They matter to me, too. I want to know that he feels he can share these feelings with us. To me, that's what sets U2 apart from other bands. They care about what is going on in the world and hope their fans do too.

The recent events in Northern Ireland hurt every Irish man and woman. It's only natural that he speak about it.

I'll be wearing my One campaign bracelet proudly.

Birdlover
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Falling At Your Feet on March 27, 2009, 08:19:42 PM
I agree with Miami for the most part.

Some of these many issues deserve a mention,I am not denying that, but not a 5 minute mention.

The blindfold bit on the last tour left me cold to be honest. It was a good point(religous tolerance) but it could have been made in a better and much shorter way.

I'll be In Croker too !

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 08:22:09 PM
my point is, we all know what u2 are about, and i, for one, agree with 99% for what they stand for. i just think a concert is the wrong place to stand up and preach about it. they get plenty of airtime on tv to TALK about these issues. the music speaks for itself and that's why i love the band.

i'm from ireland, and the latest outbreak of violence hurts me too, particularly because these people are desecrating the opinions of 99.9% of the people on this island.. there's no better way to express this revulsion by singing sunday bloody sunday at the top of our voices. we all know it is an anti-violence song, we just don't need bono's slightly patronising preaching on the matter during a concert, especially when he spends zero time here in the north of ireland. we know he is supping wine in southern france or new york most of the time. i'm not saying he doesn't care about the situation here, or anywhere else in the world, but let the music do the talking, "please".... if you know what i mean.
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Post by: Falling At Your Feet on March 27, 2009, 08:26:53 PM
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there's no better way to express this revulsion by singing sunday bloody sunday at the top of our voices.

Here here.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: rev.hart on March 27, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
"Am I buggin' you?  Don't me to... bug ya.  Okay Edge, play the blues!"

:)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 08:40:06 PM
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I agree with Miami for the most part.

Some of these many issues deserve a mention,I am not denying that, but not a 5 minute mention.

The blindfold bit on the last tour left me cold to be honest. It was a good point(religous tolerance) but it could have been made in a better and much shorter way.

I'll be In Croker too !

looking forward to croker! falling...


Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
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"Am I buggin' you?  Don't me to... bug ya.  Okay Edge, play the blues!"

:)


he must know it bugs us! :D
we don't need a social political lesson when we go to a u2 concert do we?! our very presence at a u2 concert should signify we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Mr. T on March 27, 2009, 08:55:03 PM
It's a U2 concert.

If this really bothers you, you never should have gotten on the bus.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bloom on March 27, 2009, 09:00:35 PM
I hear what you're saying miami...I too am already more than on board with what Bono says, so it's not like he needs to convince me or anything...at the same time, I have to say it doesn't really bug me that he feels the need to "preach it". The fact that he's willing to get serious and get heartfelt even if it makes people uncomfortable (and you know he KNOWS it makes people uncomfortable) is part of what makes him Bono. Some people find it annoying; I find it endearing. That stuff takes guts, as far as I'm concerned. I think he sees it as a moment in time when a whole lot of people are feeling really connected with one another, and he's taking the opportunity to try and focus the energy of that connection of something he sees as problem in the world. Hey, it's a risk. Sometimes it falls flat, but sometimes I've seen it work, and when it does it's pretty amazing. Again, the fact that he takes those risks is one of the reasons I love him.

Plus - I REALLY don't think it will be what becomes U2's legacy...I think they're kind of okay in that department  :)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 09:08:44 PM
i got on the bus DESPITE the preaching. i simply love their music and their social consciousness. we all know bono's heart is in the right place. it gets a bit vulgar when he patronises us all at a gig. i'm glad larry mullen put a clock on this vulgarity during the last tour. for all the negative things said about larry, at least he has his feet on the ground and has a better understanding of what people don't want to put up with at a concert. MR T, i don't want to come across as insulting or anything, but do you want to put up with an amateur politician telling you what issues you should be concerned about in the world . are u2 fans not savvy enough to understand what u2 stand for without the preaching between/during songs?
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Post by: Mr. T on March 27, 2009, 09:13:54 PM
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i got on the bus DESPITE the preaching. i simply love their musicand their social consciousnes. we all know bono's heart is in the right place. it gets a bit vulgar when he patronises us all at a gig. i'm glad larry mullen put a clock on this vulgarity during the last tour. for all the negative things said about larry, at least he has his feet on the ground and has a better understanding of what people don't want to put up with at a concert. MR T, i don't want to come across as insulting or anything, but do you want to put up with an amateur politician telling you what issues you should be concerned about in the world . are u2 fans not savvy enough to understand what u2 stand for without the preaching between/during songs?

I'll listen to what most anyone has to say about something important to them. Doesn't bother me, whether it's Bono, or the janitor at my office, or my Mom. 

I have less patience for "actual" politicians.


Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 09:36:29 PM
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i got on the bus DESPITE the preaching. i simply love their musicand their social consciousnes. we all know bono's heart is in the right place. it gets a bit vulgar when he patronises us all at a gig. i'm glad larry mullen put a clock on this vulgarity during the last tour. for all the negative things said about larry, at least he has his feet on the ground and has a better understanding of what people don't want to put up with at a concert. MR T, i don't want to come across as insulting or anything, but do you want to put up with an amateur politician telling you what issues you should be concerned about in the world . are u2 fans not savvy enough to understand what u2 stand for without the preaching between/during songs?

I'll listen to what most anyone has to say about something important to them. Doesn't bother me, whether it's Bono, or the janitor at my office, or my Mom. 

I have less patience for "actual" politicians.




yeah, good point. i don't like most politicians very much either. but bono is slowly turning into one. his public evasiveness on the "war on terror" was blatently obvious as he didn't want to offend bush publicly in case bush wouldn't commit to africa. bono's cause is a noble one, but he is walking a fine line  in his promotion of it. he is brave, that's for sure. but is there a need for preaching at a concert? that's the point here. i just don't like being patronised, that's all. it's fine with me when bono states during an INTERVIEW what his beliefs are. but concerts are for SINGING and PLAYING. they have an adequate amount of of socio-political songs to carry their message around the world in my book.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Mr. T on March 27, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
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his public evasiveness on the "war on terror" was blatently obvious as he didn't want to offend bush publicly in case bush wouldn't commit to africa.

You have a problem with this?

He's supposed to call GW a d*****bag on Monday, then go begging for increased aid on Tuesday?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 10:02:29 PM
i didn't expect him to call GW a d*****bag one day, and then go begging GW another day for help in Africa. I expected Bono to be honest and up front about the "Immoral" war on Iraq, and then go about asking Bush and his administration for aid in Africa. if bono's pacifist leanings had the net result that the USA wouldn't commit fully to africa, then that would have shown up bush and his cronies for what they were. i doubt even bush would let bono's view on the war influence how much his administration commited to africa. if that had have been the case, it would be a sad state of affairs that aid to africa could be influnced by a rock-star's stance on a war. or is that really how politics works these days?
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Post by: Mr. T on March 27, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
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or is that really how politics works these days?

that's how politics have always worked.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 10:22:15 PM
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or is that really how politics works these days?

that's how politics have always worked.


the ends may have justified the means regarding bono's behaviour, but imo bono could have went about things in a more honourable manner, without affecting aid to africa. the bush administration would have looked even more foolish than they turned out to be if their african aid policies were influenced by 1 rock star's opposition to a war. surely bono could have afforded to be less diplomatic/evasive in his approach? anyway, i don't like being preached to during a concert  :D
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Post by: birdlover on March 27, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
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i didn't expect him to call GW a d*****bag one day, and then go begging GW another day for help in Africa. I expected Bono to be honest and up front about the "Immoral" war on Iraq, and then go about asking Bush and his administration for aid in Africa. if bono's pacifist leanings had the net result that the USA wouldn't commit fully to africa, then that would have shown up bush and his cronies for what they were. i doubt even bush would let bono's view on the war influence how much his administration commited to africa. if that had have been the case, it would be a sad state of affairs that aid to africa could be influnced by a rock-star's stance on a war. or is that really how politics works these days?

You make a good point here. I don't think it's Bono's stance that convinces them, but the hordes of fans he has. WE have power. The One Campaign proved it. He allows us to contribute to these causes by bringing them into the concert hall.

The one concert DVD I have is Vertigo. It really affects me when he talks about the Human Rights Campaign and One. No matter how many times I've watched it, those are my favorite parts of the show. Yes, I LOVE their music, but the music is the soundtrack to their beliefs.

The reason I fell in love with U2 was the song, Miss Sarajevo. Once I'd read Bill Carter's book about that awful situation I knew I had to get to know this band, this singer. So for me the music is icing on a very nutritious cake.

Birdlover
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 27, 2009, 10:42:14 PM
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i didn't expect him to call GW a d*****bag one day, and then go begging GW another day for help in Africa. I expected Bono to be honest and up front about the "Immoral" war on Iraq, and then go about asking Bush and his administration for aid in Africa. if bono's pacifist leanings had the net result that the USA wouldn't commit fully to africa, then that would have shown up bush and his cronies for what they were. i doubt even bush would let bono's view on the war influence how much his administration commited to africa. if that had have been the case, it would be a sad state of affairs that aid to africa could be influnced by a rock-star's stance on a war. or is that really how politics works these days?

You make a good point here. I don't think it's Bono's stance that convinces them, but the hordes of fans he has. WE have power. The One Campaign proved it. He allows us to contribute to these causes by bringing them into the concert hall.

The one concert DVD I have is Vertigo. It really affects me when he talks about the Human Rights Campaign and One. No matter how many times I've watched it, those are my favorite parts of the show. Yes, I LOVE their music, but the music is the soundtrack to their beliefs.

The reason I fell in love with U2 was the song, Miss Sarajevo. Once I'd read Bill Carter's book about that awful situation I knew I had to get to know this band, this singer. So for me the music is icing on a very nutritious cake.

Birdlover

i appreciate where you are coming from birdlover. i simply think that this "constituency" that bono talks about is a bit over-played. we all heard bono saying to blair and brown at the labour party conference that they were accountable for issues such as africa. it's well known that the british government fell well short of their pledges regarding africa, and yet when the election came around, aid to africa was non-existent on the general public's mind whenever voting influnces were measured. bread and butter issues such as the economy, education and health services etc... were (and will always be, sadly) to the fore whenever elections take place. it's a sad indictment of the western world, but that's just reality.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 28, 2009, 04:28:25 AM
Well said - play the music - that's where the message is.

But keep your big, embarrassing mouth shut - and please, no more sunglasses.

U2 I love your music but bono, you really can be a d**k.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: robert on March 28, 2009, 04:51:38 AM
i honestly dont mind it at all


 ;D


and bono's not a d**k
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: edgefan89 on March 28, 2009, 06:19:24 AM
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for starters, i obviously love u2. secondly, i whole-heartedly applaud all of the causes u2 as a band support. they are probably one of (if not THE) most noble bands in the history of music. as regards humanitiarian and social issues, their music and it's subject matter speaks for itself, and i, for one, couldn't agree more with the band.

am i wrong in stating that we all recognise their position on these issues, and that we don't need reminding of them when we see them live in concert? i don't like oasis, and i'm not particularly fond of the gallagher brothers generally, but there's one thing i had to agree with which came from the mouth of noel, and it was when he was commenting on bono's "preaching", particularly on the last tour. when bono spent about 5 mins talking about Africa etc.. gallagher pointed out that he wanted bono to "f*ck up and just sing ONE".

u2, (bono, really) will get plenty of airtime on TV to promote these (noble) issues. their music and lyrics alone are enough to carry the message. the thing which annoys me slightly is the sight of bono preaching during a concert, when he is generally preaching to the converted, i presume.

the sad fact is, it comes across as patronising and slightly condescending when we hear bono "going on a bit". bono knows that the majority of u2 fans are intelligent. the whole world knows where the band stands regarding particular issues. so, imho, there is no need. i hope when i go to croke park in dublin, he isn't going to refer to the latest outbreak of dissident republican violence here in the north of ireland during, for example, sunday bloody sunday. the Whole country is against the violence, we know u2 are against it. just play the music and leave out the messages. sorry for going on a bit here, but i hate the idea that u2's often cheesy concert sloganeering could become as much a part of their legacy as their magnificent music. 



i really think you should just get over it. let bono do what he wants at his band's concert. personally, i can deal with five minutes of 'bono-bashing' as some like to call it, when i also get 2 1/2 hours of live u2 at the same time.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 28, 2009, 08:04:14 AM
as someone who "got on the bus" 28 years ago, the "preaching" really did hit new heights on the Vertigo tour, and that whole human rights video was ineffective and a waste of time when they could have fit in another song. The only positive to that part for me was that I went to multiple shows, os i knew I'd have a few minutes to take a bathroom break. And that whole bizarro irishman-doing-a-wannabe-african-chant at the beginnnig of Streets, just embarrassing, and if you're gonna play 'One', play 'one', again lost opportunity to fit in another song.



Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: whitewave on March 28, 2009, 09:00:25 AM
IMO I don't think it would be U2 or Bono without him doing this. I'd wonder if there were clones on stage rather than the real thing
if this stopped.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Ro~Jo on March 28, 2009, 09:59:54 AM
A great concert, especially with a spiritually-charged band like U2, is truly an extraordinary experience.  It puts people on a whole different level of consciousness, one where their ears and hearts are more open than ever to messages.  Bono knows this; U2's concerts are his best opportunity to speak into people and to inspire them to live differently, and such an important opportunity can't be passed up.  Personally, I love the fact that my favourite band believes in many of the same causes that I do, and I feel it makes perfect sense for their frontman to preach on these causes at their shows.  Music is so much more than entertainment; it's a spiritual experience and an instrument for social change, and though some might just want to come to have a good time, I know I get the most out of concerts where something more is offered.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: George on March 28, 2009, 10:40:37 AM
If you compare the preaching that happens on the last tour or two compared to all previous ones, there is a lot more now.  It is a little excessive.  Important social points were successfully made on all previous tours without preaching.  When it's incorportated into a song, like it has been with Bullet the Blue Sky, it's ok - it's part of the performance.  When it's 5 minutes of rambling leading up to One, that's just too much.  Sing another song instead, or just mention it briefly.

I'm still on the bus.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: whitewave on March 28, 2009, 10:51:21 AM
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If you compare the preaching that happens on the last tour or two compared to all previous ones, there is a lot more now.  It is a little excessive.  Important social points were successfully made on all previous tours without preaching.  When it's incorportated into a song, like it has been with Bullet the Blue Sky, it's ok - it's part of the performance.  When it's 5 minutes of rambling leading up to One, that's just too much.  Sing another song instead, or just mention it briefly.

I'm still on the bus.

Well as portrayed in a song...

Will we ever live in peace
'Cause those that can't do often have to
Those that can't do often have to preach

To the ones staring at the sun
Afraid of what you'll find
If you took a look inside
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Post by: Revolver7 on March 28, 2009, 11:04:18 AM
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i didn't expect him to call GW a d*****bag one day, and then go begging GW another day for help in Africa. I expected Bono to be honest and up front about the "Immoral" war on Iraq, and then go about asking Bush and his administration for aid in Africa. if bono's pacifist leanings had the net result that the USA wouldn't commit fully to africa, then that would have shown up bush and his cronies for what they were. i doubt even bush would let bono's view on the war influence how much his administration commited to africa. if that had have been the case, it would be a sad state of affairs that aid to africa could be influnced by a rock-star's stance on a war. or is that really how politics works these days?

I agree with what you're saying.

In my opinion, when you truly believe in something, and when you feel strongly about something, you should stand by your cause, and stand by your position, no matter what the consequences.

John Lennon rallied for peace, and yet he spoke out against the US government. They wanted to deport him. My point is, to get stuff done, you don't always have to kiss a** or pretend things are a way that theyaren't
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Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on March 28, 2009, 12:11:52 PM
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IMO I don't think it would be U2 or Bono without him doing this. I'd wonder if there were clones on stage rather than the real thing
if this stopped.

Exactly, precisely, entirely. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruptTspFYvs) It's been an intrinsic part of the band for over 20 years now.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 28, 2009, 02:25:53 PM
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IMO I don't think it would be U2 or Bono without him doing this. I'd wonder if there were clones on stage rather than the real thing
if this stopped.

Exactly, precisely, entirely. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruptTspFYvs) It's been an intrinsic part of the band for over 20 years now.

yeah, but it's a sickening, vulgar, patronising thing to have to listen to during a CONCERT. let bono do it on a tv interview (even that's sickening), but not at a concert, f*cking please! we get the point, you're socially conscious, we're not all thick. and we don't need a rich rock-star to tell us how to spend our money or our time, especially when a band as rich as u2 switch their base to an expedient tax haven. c'mon folks. the hypocracy is there for all to see!
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Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 28, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
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IMO I don't think it would be U2 or Bono without him doing this. I'd wonder if there were clones on stage rather than the real thing
if this stopped.

Exactly, precisely, entirely. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruptTspFYvs) It's been an intrinsic part of the band for over 20 years now.

Not to the extent of the last tour it hasn't

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on March 28, 2009, 02:30:24 PM
keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Got U2 on March 28, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I Agree , but since I think this will ( "preaching" ) only get more prevalent I have decided after lasts years tour not to pay to see them live, probably forever. I will leave 2 good seats for the ticket brokers to sell at enormous profit (more profit than U2 makes per ticket....think about it ! ! ) to a fan who enjoys this type of rock concert.

No Problem, I still like U2, Just got to draw the line ...... on the horizon !

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 28, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.



so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!
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Post by: Anthony02 on March 28, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
 I have learned that a few cocktails at the show, ease the pain. :)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 03:00:29 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.



so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!



Make sure you walk out of a movie that has any hint of a political message that you agree with, or turn off the radio once panelists start espousing the same views you have.  Not to mention television shows, CDs podcasts, etc etc
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 28, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.



so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!



Make sure you walk out of a movie that has any hint of a political message that you agree with, or turn off the radio once panelists start espousing the same views you have.  Not to mention television shows, CDs podcasts, etc etc

i'll kindly be a sycophant regarding u2's music, NOT bono's preaching. let's all recognise the woods from the trees people!
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Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 03:15:34 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.



so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!



Make sure you walk out of a movie that has any hint of a political message that you agree with, or turn off the radio once panelists start espousing the same views you have.  Not to mention television shows, CDs podcasts, etc etc

i'll kindly be a sycophant regarding u2's music, NOT bono's preaching. let's all recognise the woods from the trees people!

Bono preaches in the music too.

For example, "I believe in Kingdom Come, and all the colors will bleed into one." If you go to a U2 concerts for the messages in the lyrics, sometimes they are one and the same as preaching. Check the gospel version of "I still havent found".  Sounds like church to me. Whether singing or talking, sometimes the message is the same.  During the intro to "Streets" during the last tour, I was just as moved by the parade of flags as I was the song itself.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Mr. T on March 28, 2009, 03:15:43 PM
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so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!

You're essentially saying everybody already knows about the problems in Africa, so Bono should shut up.

And which is it? Are his motives noble or not?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on March 28, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.
so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!

Make sure you walk out of a movie that has any hint of a political message that you agree with, or turn off the radio once panelists start espousing the same views you have.  Not to mention television shows, CDs podcasts, etc etc

...and if you're truly religious, don't go to church. And if you believe in women's rights, or gay rights, or civil rights in any form, don't go on any march or protest. Because hey, you know this sh** already, right?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on March 28, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.



so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!


"you're not THAT dumb"? - oh, could have fooled me. Your comments deserve not my time or energy. You are naive in ways you will never know - at this rate of ignorance.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 28, 2009, 03:25:53 PM
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MR T, i don't want to come across as insulting or anything, but do you want to put up with an amateur politician telling you what issues you should be concerned about in the world . are u2 fans not savvy enough to understand what u2 stand for without the preaching between/during songs?

When the "amateur politician" has been able to do more research on the topic, bring forth more studied facts, bring together more disparate groups, and be far more politically savvy, and far more successful at spreading AND MAINTAINING a cause/message, then I am more than happy to listen to this "amateur politician" over official politicians, esp since "real  politicians " are far more concerned with just keeping their jobs or getting the most votes, and mostly pay lipservice.

Also the argument of "are u2 fans not savvy enough to understand what u2 stand for without the preaching between/during songs?" is a false argument.  This premise RELIES on the ASSUMPTION that the reason U2 preaches is because "U2 fans are not savvy enough to understand".  Yet this cannot be proven.  But furthermore, it is quite illogical to assume this is U2's purpose to begin with.  Anyone who has achieved any goal requiring the support of many people knows that persistence is key.  To say you believe in their causes but you want them to minimize the commitment and persistence is contrary to any real support of a cause beyond mere simple distanced and detached agreement.

Causes and major issues REQUIRE this level of exposure, redundancy, persistence, and pervasiveness.  Every successful campaign of any sort knows this. It is not about "hearing something you already know" it is about keeping the movement going, otherwise the movement dies.

Someone else asked:  "c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time.:

The real questions are:
1) "Are you 'stupid enough' to believe that ANY message/movement/cause/goal will have success without that level of constant reminders and prodding and pushing?"  (even small goals need constant reminders, status reports, motivational speaking etc)

2) If the message is truly intrinsic in most people's head, and it doesn't need constant reminding, then why would there need to be a cause or message to begin with, or why is there a problem to try and solve, if it is so damn natural and intrinsic as your are attempting to assume?


Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 28, 2009, 03:29:46 PM
so, when you go to a u2 concert, are you going to a socio-political rally or a MUSIC concert. before you all answer you are attending BOTH, are the lyrics and the knowledge of what u2 stand for not enough without being preached to? i am only attending for the music/lyrics, not the patronising preaching!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 28, 2009, 03:33:42 PM
this perserverance which is being talked about regarding bonos's preaching should be answered with one thing. bono should practice what he preaches. if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on March 28, 2009, 03:37:01 PM
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if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!

Moving your taxes to Holland is a human rights abuse now?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 28, 2009, 03:44:00 PM
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this perserverance which is being talked about regarding bonos's preaching should be answered with one thing. bono should parctice what he preaches. if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!

HA!  all your arguments are red herrings and classic examples of poor debate and unsound critical thinking

Definitions of fallacy on the Web:

    * a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning
      wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    * A fallacy is a component of an argument which, being demonstrably flawed in its logic or form, renders the argument invalid in whole.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

    * Deceptive or false appearance; deceitfulness; that which misleads the eye or the mind; deception; An argument, or apparent argument, which professes to be decisive of the matter at issue, while in reality it is not
      en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fallacy

1) The notion that a person must be poor, perfect, humble, selfless, and unwanting of worldly desires in order to want to raise the general poverty or suffering level is pathetically weak and very common fallacy:
It is called ad hominem
A theory is discarded not because of any evidence against it or lack of evidence for it, but because of the person who argues for it. Example:

      A: The Government should enact minimum-wage legislation so that workers are not exploited.
      B: Nonsense. You say that only because you cannot find a good job.  
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Mr. T on March 28, 2009, 03:46:10 PM
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if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!

Moving your taxes to Holland is a human rights abuse now?

Apparently the only way Bono's activism for Africa could be righteous is if the band moved their holdings to the nation with the highest tax rate.

Then the argument for helping the brown people would hold water.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 28, 2009, 03:51:23 PM
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this perserverance which is being talked about regarding bonos's preaching should be answered with one thing. bono should practice what he preaches. if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!

The only reason I even bring up "perseverance" in the first place is because you say "i whole-heartedly applaud all of the causes u2 as a band support"...

I am highlighting that these are more than pet trivial causes, and as such require more perseverance.  So if you truly do applaud them, you should probably understand that they take it far more seriously as a goal to achieve than just the writing of a song here and there, that is not exactly supporting a cause, that is identifying with it.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 03:53:24 PM
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this perserverance which is being talked about regarding bonos's preaching should be answered with one thing. bono should practice what he preaches. if he's gonna "perservere" that much, then don't be so hypocritical! Moving their base to holland! after the sh*t we listen to during a concert!

The only reason I even bring up "perseverance" in the first place is because you say "i whole-heartedly applaud all of the causes u2 as a band support"...

I am highlighting that these are more than pet trivial causes, and as such require more perseverance.  So if you truly do applaud them, you should probably understand that they take it far more seriously as a goal to achieve than just the writing of a song here and there, that is not exactly supporting a cause, that is identifying with it.



MBeano, please continue to go on witcha bad self.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 28, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
Same topic, different argument:

This is now my belief, rather then my reaction to previous posts.

What has drawn me into U2 as true ARTISTS, not just musicians, or a rock band, is how they  
1) Seen everything they do as whole.  Their albums, tours, songs, etc are all so fully complete.  It was never a specific cause, theme or song that really hooked me.  And all these elements made the other more powerful (the tours highlighted the albums in new profound ways, and songs informed not just the current tour but the next albums... they all interwined magically and became greater than the sum of thier parts)

2) their willingness, their audacity and daring to challenge conventional thinking.  Here, on just this thread we have seen arguments of "Politicians should be ABC" "Rock stars should be XYZ"  "Concerts should be blah blah blah"  "The music should be yada yada yada",  "Activists should act like ..."  The whole of the 90s was all about breaking down false conventions of society and displaying humanity outside of these rigid conventions of nonthinking.  Religion, stardom, rock n roll, relationships, government etc are all examined, but not just in the pathetically one-dimensional punk attitude view of the big bad government and social structure being evil but far more profound and deep in its evaluation on how we allow ourselves to accept such BS.  Many of the arguments presented against "preachy" here have shown that all of this was missed by many.  False rules are being trumpeted here, false walls, and restrictions, are so willingly and religiously adhered to....   You can't talk politics at a concert?  Really!  Who the hell says so?

The idea that concerts and politics are mutually exclusive is ridiculous in my mind.  I would not go so far as to argue such a fallacy like "what's next a Britney Concert with no thinking at all?"   However I do question any real reasoning, other than disagreement or the desire for pure escapism from those who want this separation.  I detest the notion that a concert should not have any sort of preaching or politics as the opposite of this would be a dumbing down of the art form.  Art should not have such rigidity.  I applaud the people who have decided not to go, at least they stand by their complaints, instead of wanting to impose limiting ideas.  

A concert can be more than just music, it is an artform in and of itself.  The songs, visuals, setlist, setlist order, lighting, performance, and even talking and banter are all part of the experience.  Anyone who has read or seen U2 know that they think about the entire show.  So it is rather odd not assume there would be some preachyness if you have read even one article.  It is not as if U2 have inserting politics during a portion of a show that didnt make sense to them, like say, during or near a performance of "the Sweetest Thing" or "In A lIttle WHile" or "Stay"  Thier political preachyness has come at almost exactly the same moments in the setlist, at times that we are well aware would make sense.  So this also shuts down any argument of Bono's preaching being "not part of the show"  It may not always have backing music, but it does 90% of the time, and it is always during a preplanned section.

The idea that the concert, as a whole, is not the place for politics is so limiting, narrow, and absurd.  It is just as rificulous to suppose that any other live art form is not the place for religion politics etcs... we should ban it from all opera, theatre, stand up comedy, poetry readings.

I can take a simple "I dont like Bono's preaching"  or "It annoys me" because those are opinions, but once someone trys to present claims and arguments that are just plain fallacies or what a concert should not be, or what an activist or rockstar must be... well then I take issue with that

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bloom on March 28, 2009, 04:51:06 PM
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keep it up, Bono! Just despite those who can't stand it - I hope it's just as loud and clear on this upcoming tour.

so, you need your time wasted at a concert by someone preaching about something you already believe in? by someone who's doing it as much for his own ego as his own (noble) beliefs? c'mon, are you stupid enough to want to hear a message that is intrinsic in your head anyway without a rich rock star TELLING you how to spend your time. i, for one, go to a u2 concert to listen to great u2 music and the messages conveyed in the lyrics. i don't need to be preached to. i'm not THAT dumb!

I think the question of “does Bono’s speech-making have a place in U2 concerts” is an interesting one, and I’m glad people are having this conversation. But what I can’t stomach so much is when people start taking the “he’s just doing it for his own ego” line. This is something I’ve learned to expect from a lot of non-fans, but it’s beyond me how anyone who pays any sort of close attention to the band can doubt that Bono does what he does because he believes it’s the right thing to do. Is meeting with the dodgy politicians rather than attacking them an effective form of social activism? Does Bono’s work actually make a difference? THIS is interesting to ponder and discuss, and ultimately history will tell.

(Though even a little research will show you that The Global Fund to fight AIDS, TB and Malaria has received $130 million dollars from Product Red alone – coincidentally, almost exactly matching the total contribution of the entire country of Ireland to date – even when you include the years when Ireland enjoyed the tremendous wealth conferred upon it by U2’s tax dollars)

As for the speeches in the concerts - personally, I think it’s great. I’m not rich by a lot of measures, but do I have the luxury of having a hot shower every day, of buying all the food I need, of choosing to go back to school and do a second degree, of sitting in the comfort of my own home and connecting to the world on my laptop, of listening to music I love on my mp3 player, and deciding to fly to New York to go and see U2. If, during that concert, Bono wants to take five minutes and ask us all to remember that there are some people in the world who can’t even have clean water sometimes, let along hot water or mp3 players, I will not find it “vulgar” or “sickening”. And “hypocritical”? It’s no more hypocritical for him to talk about poverty than it is for any of us to say we find it offensive to hear about – when many aspects of the very lifestyle we enjoy only exist because of the inbalances there are in the world.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: indiansummer on March 28, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
MrBeano; As I said on another thread about this same thing, if you want to listen to Bono preaching then I can send you you the Notre Dame boot from 2001 where he talks for 10 feckin minutes before One, I'm sure you'll love to listen to it. In fact I can make a compilation from the Elevation and Vertigo tours for you, should fill a few discs and you can listen at your leisure. It's a feckin pain in the ass when you listen to boots to have to go and edit each one for the diatribe before One, perhaps you can do it for me because it's p'ing me off !!!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 05:14:54 PM
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MrBeano; As I said on another thread about this same thing, if you want to listen to Bono preaching then I can send you you the Notre Dame boot from 2001 where he talks for 10 feckin minutes before One, I'm sure you'll love to listen to it. In fact I can make a compilation from the Elevation and Vertigo tours for you, should fill a few discs and you can listen at your leisure. It's a feckin pain in the ass when you listen to boots to have to go and edit each one for the diatribe before One, perhaps you can do it for me because it's p'ing me off !!!


I have a better idea. Why don't you contact Principle Management directly and let them know that your free bootleg concerts are ruined by Bono's talking and have Paul McGuinness tell Bono to stop doing it so that your free bootleg concerts aren't ruined anymore?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 28, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
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MrBeano; As I said on another thread about this same thing, if you want to listen to Bono preaching then I can send you you the Notre Dame boot from 2001 where he talks for 10 feckin minutes before One, I'm sure you'll love to listen to it. In fact I can make a compilation from the Elevation and Vertigo tours for you, should fill a few discs and you can listen at your leisure. It's a feckin pain in the ass when you listen to boots to have to go and edit each one for the diatribe before One, perhaps you can do it for me because it's p'ing me off !!!


Your own arguments are working against you.
as many have said previously, and so have I... you know this going to a U2 concert ahead of time.  And as far as bootlegs go, I have many, with speeches as well, dating back to the 80s.  This is certainly NOTHING NEW.  And if you have the boots, not only do you 1) know what to expect before going to a U2 show.  2) But also know pretty much when to go grab a beer/bathroom break.  Its that simple

In terms of listening to a bootleg:  Hey wow, what is that nifty button with the forward arrow? 

I can respect those that have chosen not to go.  They have at least stuck by their complaints. 

My arguments are not in regards towards loving speeches, but the idea that these IN GENERAL are a bad thing.  The original arguments against the speeches were made in a very general manner. 

Also, even though, in general I am AGAINST limiting politics in a concert (or any other place that some people feel it doesnt fit neatly into, this does not mean I would LOVE a 10 min speech of any kind.  You will see that all my arguments are in terms of the general premise of politics within a concert setting, or limiting of some general sort of what should be said where.  Execution/effectiveness is a whole other topic.  I do agree that a literal (not exaggerated) 10 minutes is excessive, and most likely less effective.  However, this would not make me say to cut politics in general.  The majority of U2 concerts I have attended, as well as the many bootlegs i own and listen to are not 10 minutes.  So again, your point is somewhat lost, as it is by no means the norm.  The majority of the recent speeches are before One or Miracle Drug and have backing music and last less than 3 minutes.   It has been easy to predict when and how long these speeches will take (again for the most part), and so very easy to prepare for and avoid if that is your preference. 

I really hated some of the visuals, especially at ONE show in LA where they were really awful... U2 should stop using visuals altogether and just play the music.... NOT



Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Yggdrasille on March 28, 2009, 07:07:11 PM
I admit, Bono's speeches during the concerts do make me cringe, a lot. But I accept that it's something he's done for many years now and unlikely to stop in the near future, and I've no doubt that his intentions are good. So I'm ok to put up with that.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: StrongGirl on March 28, 2009, 07:23:12 PM
I have no problem with Bono's preaching. It is part of who he is and what he believes in. The fact that he is a rich rock star does not make him any less of an amazing person for working tirelessly to help the world's poorest people. I admire him and it is part of what makes U2 well, U2.  He uses his fame for an important cause. I have recently been active in this cause and have been a member of ONE for quite awhile now. For those who don't know-check out the link on this very forum-Have a Heart for Africa and read these people's true stories about what they face everyday. You will also find out how they feel about what Bono has done for them. It doesn't seem to bother them that Bono is rich. They love him. They just care that he is nice enough to take the time to tell the rest of the world about them. He is their VOX (voice ) for those who have none. I can't believe we have someone who is doing so much to try and make this world a better place and all we do is attack and  criticize him. What are we all doing??? We can't do as much as Bono but we can do a small part. We all need to walk in their shoes - oh that's right- they don't have shoes when they walk those 10 miles to get that dirty water to make it through another day. Preach away Bono - IN THE NAME OF LOVE!!!  SG
Title: .
Post by: Anthony02 on March 28, 2009, 07:39:29 PM
Great post SG. IMO some people are selfish and dont want to be bothered by Bono's so called "preaching." A rich rock star trying to make the world a better place. Helping others that cant help themselves. Man, what an a**.       
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: aarond on March 28, 2009, 07:46:42 PM
I thought since Bono was on stage and not breaking any laws he could do as he pleases, and let the fans decide whether or not a concert is worth the cash. I'm sure there are plenty of people who like to have enough money to buy dinner, much less go to a concert and here somebody talk.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: George on March 28, 2009, 08:41:35 PM
So it seems to me that a solution that would satisfy almost everone is if Bono continues to to preach his message, but he should keep it to within the music, only saying a few things here as there, as has been done in Bullet the Blue Sky, Sunday Bloody Sunday, and Pride.

For those that don't like it at all, is this acceptable?  Are we really only complaining about the excess of during the lsat 2 tours?  Or should all not-sung political messages be dropped entirely?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: thehype88 on March 28, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
i have i brilliant idea, why don't we accept the fact that Bono isn't prefect, his preaching can get a little annoying, but it goes with the territory. and that our political leaders aren't perfect and never will be. so how about you all shut the f*** up and just enjoy the f***ing music.

thread ends here, I've made it official.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 09:37:30 PM
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i have i brilliant idea, why don't we accept the fact that Bono isn't prefect, his preaching can get a little annoying, but it goes with the territory. and that our political leaders aren't perfect and never will be. so how about you all shut the f*** up and just enjoy the f***ing music.

thread ends here, I've made it official.



OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH THE F WORD! Nothing screams "I have spoken, the thread is officially over" better than the use of that.   
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Revolver7 on March 28, 2009, 09:39:03 PM
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i have i brilliant idea, why don't we accept the fact that Bono isn't prefect, his preaching can get a little annoying, but it goes with the territory. and that our political leaders aren't perfect and never will be. so how about you all shut the f*** up and just enjoy the f***ing music.

thread ends here, I've made it official.

 :D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: thehype88 on March 28, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
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i have i brilliant idea, why don't we accept the fact that Bono isn't prefect, his preaching can get a little annoying, but it goes with the territory. and that our political leaders aren't perfect and never will be. so how about you all shut the f*** up and just enjoy the f***ing music.

thread ends here, I've made it official.



OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH THE F WORD! Nothing screams "I have spoken, the thread is officially over" better than the use of that.   

clearly you don't understand  sarcasm lol :P
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 28, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
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i have i brilliant idea, why don't we accept the fact that Bono isn't prefect, his preaching can get a little annoying, but it goes with the territory. and that our political leaders aren't perfect and never will be. so how about you all shut the f*** up and just enjoy the f***ing music.

thread ends here, I've made it official.



OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH THE F WORD! Nothing screams "I have spoken, the thread is officially over" better than the use of that.   

clearly you don't understand  sarcasm lol :P


I think I used it pretty well in my response.  LOL
Title: Re: .
Post by: StrongGirl on March 28, 2009, 11:28:06 PM
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Great post SG. IMO some people are selfish and dont want to be bothered by Bono's so called "preaching." A rich rock star trying to make the world a better place. Helping others that cant help themselves. Man, what an a**.       

Thank you my dear friend! You are the best!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Sydney_Mike on March 29, 2009, 12:27:46 AM
Expecting Bono not to "preach" or at the very least talk about the causes that he supports is a bit like going to church on Sunday, hoping that the minister won't start banging on with all that God and Jesus stuff. If you find it uncomfortable, embarassing or distressing then either don't go to the concerts or just tune out for that 5 minutes and enjoy the other 115 odd minutes of the show.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: One Tree Hill on March 29, 2009, 05:34:39 AM
I love the story where Bono says at a concert ..'every time I click my fingers another child dies in Africa..' so a guy yells out from the audience saying 'well stop f**king clicking your fingers'...
I rememebr Richard Ashcroft saying post Live 8..'what did it achieve exactly?'..cos I was at the U2 concert when they were playing Twickenham in 05..and on the screen the numbers you text to show the support clearing Africa's debt at the G8 summit.. and how we should ambush the heads of state at the summit in Edinburgh... Oh lordy..a lot for those people who just wanna come along to see 'Vertigo' or 'One'... not all U2 songs are political,yet the concert was taken over with the political message...
While I truly admire Bono's intentions....Bono's biography/autobiography is very insightful to understanding where this man comes from...but music..and especially rock music is an outlet for people to forget about their problems .........I do know 'Sunday Bl sun' is still a pertinent song as is 'Streets' and 'Bullet' and those songs move you to really being aware of their political issues, as 'pride' does....... I just dont want the next U2 concert to be musics equivalent of comic relief
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 29, 2009, 09:32:14 AM
I think many people here are confusing the "expected" short and to the point preach/speech/diatribe/outburst usually evident in bullet/pride/sbs with the excesses of the vertigo tour (human rights video, long rambling speech intros to One, sometimes miracle drug, etc).

Do I expect it during the former, yes

Do I appreciate it during the latter ? no

At >$100/ticket I'd rather have a couple of extra songs.....









Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: p8ru2 on March 29, 2009, 11:49:21 AM
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....(Though even a little research will show you that The Global Fund to fight AIDS, TB and Malaria has received $130 million dollars from Product Red alone – coincidentally, almost exactly matching the total contribution of the entire country of Ireland to date – even when you include the years when Ireland enjoyed the tremendous wealth conferred upon it by U2’s tax dollars)

As for the speeches in the concerts - personally, I think it’s great. I’m not rich by a lot of measures, but do I have the luxury of having a hot shower every day, of buying all the food I need, of choosing to go back to school and do a second degree, of sitting in the comfort of my own home and connecting to the world on my laptop, of listening to music I love on my mp3 player, and deciding to fly to New York to go and see U2. If, during that concert, Bono wants to take five minutes and ask us all to remember that there are some people in the world who can’t even have clean water sometimes, let along hot water or mp3 players, I will not find it “vulgar” or “sickening”. And “hypocritical”? It’s no more hypocritical for him to talk about poverty than it is for any of us to say we find it offensive to hear about – when many aspects of the very lifestyle we enjoy only exist because of the inbalances there are in the world.

VERY well said, bloom!   *big applause*    :)

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The real questions are:
...
2) If the message is truly intrinsic in most people's head, and it doesn't need constant reminding, then why would there need to be a cause or message to begin with, or why is there a problem to try and solve, if it is so damn natural and intrinsic as your are attempting to assume?


I couldn't agree more, mbeano. 

If there wasn't ongoing the cause for concern, a continued dedicated call to activism, and a call to NOT forget the band's causes & issues  even in these economic circumstances,  the time is now! 

 DATA, Amnesty Int'l, Free Burma, Music Rising, Greenpeace, Cherynobyl's Children's Project are listed as the band's causes, and both (RED) and the ONE campaign are associated.  They're not just Bono's causes and charities, they're endorsed by the band.  None of those causes have been resolved and far from it. 

U2 have always been political since day 1 and that's not going to change.  At least I hope not!  Its part of the attraction for me that their music has always been alot deeper than most bands out there, and their passion shows in their performances.  Sure I want to be entertained, and even 'escape' for a few hours but to me, they've always been successful at melding their music and "entertainment" with soul and a conscience. 

Is the politics and 'preaching'  repetitive for long-time fans?  Yes for many if not most but while there's been progress as bloom mentioned, we've a long way to go as humans and fans.  While nobody wants to hear 10 mins of preaching at a concert (and that was overboard), I don't have a problem with Bono talking about issues he and the band are passionate about at concerts and in lead up to ONE or other political songs.  And I don't have issue with the video on UN human rights either, as its obvious to me that humanitarian crises and atrocities continue to happen in this world of ours, and we've a long way to go! 

As for the 'hypocrisy of rich rock stars' argument, bloom said it very well.    I'd only add that IMO, U2's wealth is relative to us, as our wealth is relative to those with little or none.    First world wealth affords us and U2 respective options and choices that many do not have but it always amazes me that it also garners alot of complaining or grievance, when there's bigger issues to complain about!   ::)

So I'm glad that that the band (and many organizations & individuals) are out there trying to make a difference and trying to spread the word that more needs to be done in our communities and globally.   I'm glad they continue to use their celebrity to make their voices heard and rally support at concerts and elsewhere, for what they believe in, and they have made a difference so far in garnering lots of fan and media attention and support, and funding.  I'd say if the biggest things fans are upset or disgusted about is putting up with 'preaching', what's included in their albums or concerts, or how many concerts you're going to, then you've little to complain about.  Or you've got the wrong band.   

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: jimyjazz on March 29, 2009, 01:48:06 PM
How dare you criticize Bono.  The gall to express a desire that the band behave in a certain way...
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on March 29, 2009, 01:51:05 PM
I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 03:19:37 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on March 30, 2009, 07:09:40 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 07:22:03 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!

Oh dear, I have touched a nerve. You might consider being less rude?

I like seeing U2 shows - I like U2 - I've liked U2 for 20 years. I've always though bono was pompous and annoying when he wasn't singing.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on March 30, 2009, 07:39:56 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!

Oh dear, I have touched a nerve. You might consider being less rude?

I like seeing U2 shows - I like U2 - I've liked U2 for 20 years. I've always though bono was pompous and annoying when he wasn't singing.





If you're going to get on your high horse and tell Bono to SHUT UP  ( when you're the one who keeps listening to him )- then I'm going to take the liberty to tell you to shut up. It's that simple.
Speaking of pompous and annoying ...
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 07:41:02 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!

Oh dear, I have touched a nerve. You might consider being less rude?

I like seeing U2 shows - I like U2 - I've liked U2 for 20 years. I've always though bono was pompous and annoying when he wasn't singing.





If you're going to get on your high horse and tell Bono to SHUT UP  ( when you're the one who keeps listening to him )- then I'm going to take the liberty to tell you to shut up. It's that simple.
Speaking of pompous and annoying ...

You come across as being quite young - are you?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on March 30, 2009, 07:44:27 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!

Oh dear, I have touched a nerve. You might consider being less rude?

I like seeing U2 shows - I like U2 - I've liked U2 for 20 years. I've always though bono was pompous and annoying when he wasn't singing.





If you're going to get on your high horse and tell Bono to SHUT UP  ( when you're the one who keeps listening to him )- then I'm going to take the liberty to tell you to shut up. It's that simple.
Speaking of pompous and annoying ...

You come across as being quite young - are you?


you come across as being quite naive. Are you?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 07:53:33 AM
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I love how any other band can do whatever they want on stage or in hotel rooms and their "f-you" attitude is so cool and rock and roll.  Bono does what HE wants on stage and people get their collective panties in a bunch and want to control his behavior. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

Yes. But i think the reason people don't like mr bono and his big mouth is that he's so pious.

The message is in the music and I really don't need to his lecturing or self-importance when I'm trying to have a good time.

Same old story with U2 - some great music, some great ideas, but bono, please SHUT UP!






If you really don't like it, then don't listen - or don't attend the shows. otherwise - SHUT UP yourself!

Oh dear, I have touched a nerve. You might consider being less rude?

I like seeing U2 shows - I like U2 - I've liked U2 for 20 years. I've always though bono was pompous and annoying when he wasn't singing.





If you're going to get on your high horse and tell Bono to SHUT UP  ( when you're the one who keeps listening to him )- then I'm going to take the liberty to tell you to shut up. It's that simple.
Speaking of pompous and annoying ...

You come across as being quite young - are you?


you come across as being quite naive. Are you?


This is interesting - you seem to have 2 modes:

1) Being irate with, and rude to, people.

and

2) Answering a question with a question. Presumably this is in place of having anything constructive/intelligent to say (see point 1 also).

Either way, you're a bit boring. I'm sure you'll come back with a tedious 'clever' response as per your previous ones.

Goodbye.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 30, 2009, 12:21:52 PM
I think we covered this topic from many different angles:
-If you have a complaint, put your money where your mouth is
-If you have a complaint about the speeches, go get a beer during this part, you know full well when these speeches will take place (what part of the setlist)
-Ignoring him is easy
-You already know full well what you are getting into when going to a U2 show
-You already know full well what Bono (and the band for that matter) is like
-Many people like politics, social issues etc
-Many many see entertainment in its many forms as far more than escapism, and again, if you want escapism, it is easy to pick bands/concerts that are better at offering this to you.


There is another area I would like to hit on that I think is really important to this topic.  We have discussed that politics, "preaching", and all that are inherent to who Bono is, and how this should be something expected, unless you have lived under a rock in regards to U2 shows.

But I would go further in saying that the politics, "preachiness", activism, social causes, etc are all a huge inherent aspect of who the band are as artists and performers. What we have discussed previously was more in relation to Bono's personality.  Here I am going further and saying this is who the band is as live performers, it would not be the same animal if you attempted to take this aspect out.

Let me explain a little.  I think we would all agree that this band in particular, are extremely motivated, influenced, impassioned, informed, and tuned into the world around them, ideas, goals, and causes that are bigger than themselves.  This is part of why they prefer large concert experiences rather than small clubs.  They are energized and inspired by these things that are bigger than them.

As an artist, or critical thinker of any sort, it is VITAL and extremely important that ideas, thoughts, speech and views are allowed to flow as freely as possibly.  This keeps the mind flowing, the energy flowing, and thoughts alive.  Restrictions on any of these things stunt growth, soften or weaken the energy.

This is even more so important in a live setting.  We have all pretty much agreed that Bono is inherently a political animal (whether we see this as good or bad).  It is his nature, part of himself that would be hard to shut down or contain.  As such, shutting down this integral part of where he gets his inspiration, his energy, his creativity, passion etc, is directly linked to ideas, and causes bigger than himself.  This is even how he sees, how they all see the band, something bigger than themselves to believe in.  So politics and speachmaking and all that are directly linked with who the band are as people, as performers, and artists.  This is really where they get inspired and energized.  These are the types of things that get the blood going in U2.  It is also the crowd of course, but the idea of change, of perhaps standing behind something that causes a positive impact in this world is lights a fire underneath them.

To restrict speeches, is first and foremost extremely difficult as we have established this is pretty much inherent to his personality.  But furthermore it would also work to stunt what feeds them as artists and performers.  The band already have enough restrictions in terms of logistical things in thier show, like timing of background music, lights, effects visuals and all that, as well as timing of getting out by X time etc etc.  It would be even more highly detrimental to these performers to do anything that would restrict freedom of thought or speech.  To an artist or critical thinker this is EVERYTHING, so anything that hampers this is not a good idea.

Do the speeches annoy me at times.  YES!  Do they occasional run too long?  YES!  Could they be executed in better ways at times?  YES

But I would rather (and quite easily and simply) sit through a speech, because I know that these ideas get the entire band energized, and thus provide for a far more passionate show.   There is NO doubt in my mind that any restriction or limitation on speech or thought would suck much of the energy out of a U2 live show.  It is well known that they are artists first, musicians afterward.  It is not as if this is Radiohead, where the major source of passion is probably primarily from just playing their instruments together.  U2 have always and will always be a band whose source of energy come from expressing what is on thier minds whether that be political, social or whatever.  Just witness how certain songs take on new life when they reimagine the message.  For U2, and many other artists, this is all intertwined and very much connected.  It is not just expression though instruments for U2, and it never has been.

If you need evidence of this... flip through bootlegs and compare the live performances of songs from concerts which tended to have longer or more intense speeches.  The songs from those concerts usually have a more impassioned performance.  Hell just check out Rattle n Hum or Under A Blood Red Sky.  I would gladly take a more impassioned set of songs, over fitting in 1 or 2 more songs.  Quality of Quantity.

You may flip find the performances from preachier shows to be no less passionate, that is your call.  But my experience from either being at the shows, or listening to bootlegs, leaves no doubt that the band play far better usually during concerts where Bono tends to be preachier.

To take away Bono's speeches is to censor freedom of expression, it is limiting
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bloom on March 30, 2009, 12:24:26 PM

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This is interesting - you seem to have 2 modes:

1) Being irate with, and rude to, people.

and

2) Answering a question with a question. Presumably this is in place of having anything constructive/intelligent to say (see point 1 also).

Either way, you're a bit boring. I'm sure you'll come back with a tedious 'clever' response as per your previous ones.

Goodbye.


Dude. Fair enough you're not a fan of the preaching...but the fact is that without Bono's efforts and the publicity he brings to his campaigns, a whole lot of people probably wouldn't be alive. So if your only argument against him is that you think he's annoying, or pompous, or embarrasing, or that he makes the band a target for derision and that makes you uncomfortable, well, don't be surprised if other people respond to YOUR arguments with a similar level of depth. Just sayin.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bloom on March 30, 2009, 12:25:58 PM
Well said mbeano!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 01:12:37 PM
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This is interesting - you seem to have 2 modes:

1) Being irate with, and rude to, people.

and

2) Answering a question with a question. Presumably this is in place of having anything constructive/intelligent to say (see point 1 also).

Either way, you're a bit boring. I'm sure you'll come back with a tedious 'clever' response as per your previous ones.

Goodbye.


Dude. Fair enough you're not a fan of the preaching...but the fact is that without Bono's efforts and the publicity he brings to his campaigns, a whole lot of people probably wouldn't be alive. So if your only argument against him is that you think he's annoying, or pompous, or embarrasing, or that he makes the band a target for derision and that makes you uncomfortable, well, don't be surprised if other people respond to YOUR arguments with a similar level of depth. Just sayin.


To be fair to me, I don't have enough time in my life to write an essay about why bono is a bit of a tool.

When I do, I would imagine people won't shout at me. Or maybe you will.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Got U2 on March 30, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
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I think we covered this topic from many different angles:
-If you have a complaint, put your money where your mouth is
-If you have a complaint about the speeches, go get a beer during this part, you know full well when these speeches will take place (what part of the setlist)
-Ignoring him is easy
-You already know full well what you are getting into when going to a U2 show
-You already know full well what Bono (and the band for that matter) is like
-Many people like politics, social issues etc
-Many many see entertainment in its many forms as far more than escapism, and again, if you want escapism, it is easy to pick bands/concerts that are better at offering this to you.



I agree..... :)

Since this trend (Preachyness) is getting more pronounced I won't be paying the brokers (scalpers)
anything this go around...

I don't need Bono telling me that this country (USA) really belongs to the Indians.!
I don't need to see the World Human Rights scrolled on the video
I don't need to Pay TOP dollar for a history lesson

But I won't ask or expect U2 (Bono) to change what they do or how they do it.

I will listen to the Music . . . . . .
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: BalconyTV on March 30, 2009, 03:35:27 PM
On a narrow level it should be just about the music...but I think what has always made U2 special and one of a kind to me, is that they are always about more than the music. Thats just who they are.

So I don't expect them to end soon.

But in saying that, I think Bono can be a bit cooler in the way he goes about them. I'd prefer a bit more aggression.

Anyone remember him calling the President of France a wa**er at the MTV Europe Awards.

More of that please.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
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On a narrow level it should be just about the music...but I think what has always made U2 special and one of a kind to me, is that they are always about more than the music. Thats just who they are.

So I don't expect them to end soon.

But in saying that, I think Bono can be a bit cooler in the way he goes about them. I'd prefer a bit more aggression.

Anyone remember him calling the President of France a wa**er at the MTV Europe Awards.

More of that please.

'Anyone remember him calling the President of France a wa**er at the MTV Europe Awards.'

YES! That was the U2 I loved! A bit of guts, some balls - not having his picture taken with the pope, bush, blair, and anyone else who would raise his profile!

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: StrongGirl on March 30, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
I  was just thinking that in the end, no matter how any of us feel, it is U2's concert and Bono can choose to say whatever he wants.  If we don't want to listen to it , then we just don't go.  Simple really.
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Post by: Anthony02 on March 30, 2009, 03:50:15 PM
Ditto SG. Surprised this thread is still goin. (and hi  back SG)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on March 31, 2009, 06:23:56 AM
Just play the music good and loud,make us all go crazy and sing along with every lyric,keep the preaching to a minimum!!!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on March 31, 2009, 08:18:52 AM
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Just play the music good and loud,make us all go crazy and sing along with every lyric,keep the preaching to a minimum!!!

yeah, i agree donvalley. the preaching can be kept to a mininum without looking pompous. someone mentioned earlier that there is a huge difference between bono adding quick messages during songs eg: during bullet over the years, and the long rambling speeches eg: before ONE on the last tour.

i can cope, and even applaud, a short political reference during a song (during bullet, eg), but i find it a bit much when we are subjected to a rambling socio-political speech. save it for interviews.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: jick on March 31, 2009, 08:26:21 AM
U2 are masters at wasting people's time starting with the Popmart Tour. The karaoke took up one song that could have been more useful (as seen eventually in Edge's Sunday Bloody Sunday).  The rants about neon lights or corporate monsters before I Still Haven't Found wasted around a minute of our time.  The Lemon Perfecto mix and the exit from the giant lemon also took a bit out of our time.

In the Elevation Tour, we had to deal with the pointless band introductions (as if 20 years on, we still didn't know who the members of U2 are!) and the intro to Kite.

Vertigo Tour: We also had to deal with Bono's over a minute speech before Miracle Drug about Edge being from outer space, his close to five minute speech before One, and not the mention those human rights bits.

If U2 could just stick to playing music, we would be much happier.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Belisama on March 31, 2009, 08:43:47 AM
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U2 are masters at wasting people's time starting with the Popmart Tour. The karaoke took up one song that could have been more useful (as seen eventually in Edge's Sunday Bloody Sunday).  The rants about neon lights or corporate monsters before I Still Haven't Found wasted around a minute of our time.  The Lemon Perfecto mix and the exit from the giant lemon also took a bit out of our time.

In the Elevation Tour, we had to deal with the pointless band introductions (as if 20 years on, we still didn't know who the members of U2 are!) and the intro to Kite.

Vertigo Tour: We also had to deal with Bono's over a minute speech before Miracle Drug about Edge being from outer space, his close to five minute speech before One, and not the mention those human rights bits.

If U2 could just stick to playing music, we would be much happier.

Cheers,

J

jick, you do have the option of not going to a concert rather than having your time wasted. If after 20 years you know who all the band members are than after 20 year, you should know what to expect from a U2 concert. I'm just saying. . .
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: evilways811 on March 31, 2009, 08:49:42 AM
This is why I sometimes miss Zoo TV/Popmart era U2. They were sarcastic, fun and full of attitude, the kind of things that I look for in a rock show where I go to lose myself, have fun, and forget about the troubles of the world.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: andyt on March 31, 2009, 11:44:54 AM
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U2 are masters at wasting people's time starting with the Popmart Tour. The karaoke took up one song that could have been more useful (as seen eventually in Edge's Sunday Bloody Sunday).  The rants about neon lights or corporate monsters before I Still Haven't Found wasted around a minute of our time.  The Lemon Perfecto mix and the exit from the giant lemon also took a bit out of our time.

In the Elevation Tour, we had to deal with the pointless band introductions (as if 20 years on, we still didn't know who the members of U2 are!) and the intro to Kite.

Vertigo Tour: We also had to deal with Bono's over a minute speech before Miracle Drug about Edge being from outer space, his close to five minute speech before One, and not the mention those human rights bits.

If U2 could just stick to playing music, we would be much happier.

Cheers,

J

jick, you do have the option of not going to a concert rather than having your time wasted. If after 20 years you know who all the band members are than after 20 year, you should know what to expect from a U2 concert. I'm just saying. . .

Why does everyone react to Jick!? Although I'm with him on this:

'If U2 could just stick to playing music, we would be much happier.'
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Post by: Anthony02 on March 31, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
You would be happier? LOL Dont go to the show then. U know whats coming. As I said in an earlier post, its 5-10 min out of a 2 hour show?  God forbid a rock star tries to help others who cant help themselves. And uses a show to make others aware. After 9/11, U2 brought NYPD and NYFD out on stage. It was only at a few shows, but what a waste of time. :)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2buckeye on March 31, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
I know what I am getting when I go to a U2 show, rich and famous people who actually care about the world they live in and want to express themselves about it! Rich and famous people get harped on if they don't comment on what is going on the world because it seems like they are "too good" to care about things that affect us normal folk....but then when rich and famous people do speak their minds they get flack for it! They are damned if they do and damned if they don't! It sounds like to me that there are fans who don't like U2's political views so when they express them they don't like it.  I betcha if U2 had the same views as these people they would not mind it!
Bono is passionate about Africa, a continent going up in flames as he likes to say, so since I have LOVED u2 since 1987 I know that there will be Amnesty mentioned, some song and/or video about an event going on the world, Bono will say some things about other current events....I like my rock stars SMART and IN TUNE with what is going on!   :D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bluetooth on March 31, 2009, 05:59:59 PM
I really think that Bono's humanitarian work is a real disaster.  The good thing is that the band are donating part of VIP tickets to a humanitarian cause, thus Bono's humanitarian work is not a real disaster after all.
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Post by: StrongGirl on March 31, 2009, 06:06:08 PM
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You would be happier? LOL Dont go to the show then. U know whats coming. As I said in an earlier post, its 5-10 min out of a 2 hour show?  God forbid a rock star tries to help others who cant help themselves. And uses a show to make others aware. After 9/11, U2 brought NYPD and NYFD out on stage. It was only at a few shows, but what a waste of time. :)

Right on anthony!!
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Post by: p8ru2 on March 31, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
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I really think that Bono's humanitarian work is a real disaster.  The good thing is that the band are donating part of VIP tickets to a humanitarian cause, thus Bono's humanitarian work is not a real disaster after all.

a disaster?  Pfft!  ::) Obviously you haven't read much!  The Global fund, (RED) and dropping the Debt has made HUGE gains! 
As for the VIP tix, that's an additional 9mil Euros! 
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: StrongGirl on March 31, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
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I really think that Bono's humanitarian work is a real disaster.  The good thing is that the band are donating part of VIP tickets to a humanitarian cause, thus Bono's humanitarian work is not a real disaster after all.

a disaster?  Pfft!  ::) Obviously you haven't read much!  The Global fund, (RED) and dropping the Debt has made HUGE gains! 
As for the VIP tix, that's an additional 9mil Euros! 

Yes p8ru2!!!!!  As a member of ONE, I can tell you that is making a difference. Ali's Edun line has people working in Africa making the beautiful ONE tees as well as the Edun graphic ones.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 31, 2009, 07:16:44 PM
Interesting read, from someone just a (sarcasm on) wee bit (sarcasm off) more qualified than Bono

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Aid-Working-Better-Africa/dp/0374139563/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238548584&sr=8-1


Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: jick on March 31, 2009, 07:25:01 PM
We pay U2 for their music, we don't pay them for their humanitarian work.  Actually, it would be irresponsible to let us pay for their humanitarian work because it would be unjust enrichment on their part to profit on the plight of the needy.

In a concert, we pay to get a U2 performance with great music - not long rants and speeches.  If Bono was paid a dime for every speech he makes for the plight of the needy, how would surely make a lot of money by now - at the expense of the needy.

The fans want to come out of the show with a great musical experience.  No everyone goes to a concert just to "get enlightened" about the plight of Africans and then come out feeling like they should write their politicians a letter.  It is simply the wrong avenue to preach.

We are losing 1 to 3 songs because of Bono's preaching.

Cheers,

J



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Post by: Anthony02 on March 31, 2009, 07:39:02 PM
If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on March 31, 2009, 07:55:38 PM
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Interesting read, from someone just a (sarcasm on) wee bit (sarcasm off) more qualified than Bono

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Aid-Working-Better-Africa/dp/0374139563/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238548584&sr=8-1

...and why qualification alone isn't enough. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/feb/14/aid-africa-dambisa-moyo)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 31, 2009, 07:57:58 PM
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Interesting read, from someone just a (sarcasm on) wee bit (sarcasm off) more qualified than Bono

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Aid-Working-Better-Africa/dp/0374139563/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238548584&sr=8-1

...and why qualification alone isn't enough. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/feb/14/aid-africa-dambisa-moyo)

I'm so glad we have writers who are so well qualified.....

Did you READ the book ?

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 31, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
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Interesting read, from someone just a (sarcasm on) wee bit (sarcasm off) more qualified than Bono

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Aid-Working-Better-Africa/dp/0374139563/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238548584&sr=8-1

...and why qualification alone isn't enough. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/feb/14/aid-africa-dambisa-moyo)

I'm so glad we have writers who are so well qualified.....

Did you READ the book ?



Another African with whom white liberals have a problem

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/04/getting-rowdy-with-andrew-mwenda/

There's more than one opinion out there, I'm not saying either one is correct because frankly I don't know, but aid hasn't yet worked, so maybe, just maybe it's time we shoould listen to the Africans rather than the white journalist, rockstars, etc.

just a thought....

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Revolver7 on March 31, 2009, 08:11:44 PM
Africa needs more than just money

When U2 talks about Ireland, it's different, because they are Irish Citizens, and because Ireland is their home.

I'm not saying you have to be from Africa to speak for Africa...it's just, things need to be done differently. I think listening to the African People is a better approach.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: TraKianLite/Zooropa on March 31, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
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Another African with whom white liberals have a problem

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/04/getting-rowdy-with-andrew-mwenda/

There's more than one opinion out there, I'm not saying either one is correct because frankly I don't know, but aid hasn't yet worked, so maybe, just maybe it's time we shoould listen to the Africans rather than the white journalist, rockstars, etc.

just a thought....

...but no-one's claiming it's purely about aid - not even Bono. The message at Live 8 was that there were three priorities: debt cancellation, aid, and fair trade initiatives. Of course, two of those are easy and look good, so G8 leaders leapt on those and ignored one - guess which. As the Guardian article notes, Africa has also been plagued by weak states, dictatorships and social instability, and as I'm about to point out, it's been subjected to numerous ruinous IMF SAPs.

"We can't fix every problem — corruption, natural calamities are part of the picture here — but the ones we can we must."
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JuniorEmblem on March 31, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
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Another African with whom white liberals have a problem

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/04/getting-rowdy-with-andrew-mwenda/

There's more than one opinion out there, I'm not saying either one is correct because frankly I don't know, but aid hasn't yet worked, so maybe, just maybe it's time we shoould listen to the Africans rather than the white journalist, rockstars, etc.

just a thought....

...but no-one's claiming it's purely about aid - not even Bono. The message at Live 8 was that there were three priorities: debt cancellation, aid, and fair trade initiatives. Of course, two of those are easy and look good, so G8 leaders leapt on those and ignored one - guess which. As the Guardian article notes, Africa has also been plagued by weak states, dictatorships and social instability, and as I'm about to point out, it's been subjected to numerous ruinous IMF SAPs.

"We can't fix every problem — corruption, natural calamities are part of the picture here — but the ones we can we must."

Sounds like we might be agreeing a bunch of soundbites and speeches at a rock concert aren't really the best use of the time given th ecomplexity of the situation.

 ;)

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: bloom on March 31, 2009, 08:28:05 PM
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Another African with whom white liberals have a problem

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/04/getting-rowdy-with-andrew-mwenda/

There's more than one opinion out there, I'm not saying either one is correct because frankly I don't know, but aid hasn't yet worked, so maybe, just maybe it's time we shoould listen to the Africans rather than the white journalist, rockstars, etc.

just a thought....



True, it IS hard to know what approach is correct (likely no single approach is THE RIGHT APPROACH) and lots of people a lot more expert than Bono are working a lot harder on trying to figure that out. And I fully agree that African voices should be the voices that are listened to above all others. My take on it, for what it`s worth, is that a lot of the issues that Africa faces can`t be solved without the involvement of the developed world (who, after all, helped create a lot of those problems) - and involvement doesn`t necessarily have to mean direct and unconditional aid; involvement might mean things we change in our own way of life; or perhaps investing some of our medical research dollars in the diseases of the developing world, which otherwise will remain underfunded - to name just one example. Whatever action is taken, it requires political will to act, and that in turn requires a sense of investment from ordinary people in developed countries. What interests me about Bono`s approach is that it seems to work on both fronts. I`m not convinced by the argument that Bono`s campaigning is bad because all he wants is for governments to throw good money after bad...first of all, I think his knowledge of the issues does go a LITTLE bit deeper than that, and second of all no matter how much influence he`s built up, I don`t really think he`s at the point where he`s helping to shape specific policies. But I do think he makes a lot of people care more than they otherwise would, and it`s hard to see how that`s a bad thing!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on March 31, 2009, 10:22:20 PM
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Another African with whom white liberals have a problem

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/06/04/getting-rowdy-with-andrew-mwenda/

There's more than one opinion out there, I'm not saying either one is correct because frankly I don't know, but aid hasn't yet worked, so maybe, just maybe it's time we shoould listen to the Africans rather than the white journalist, rockstars, etc.

just a thought....

...but no-one's claiming it's purely about aid - not even Bono. The message at Live 8 was that there were three priorities: debt cancellation, aid, and fair trade initiatives. Of course, two of those are easy and look good, so G8 leaders leapt on those and ignored one - guess which. As the Guardian article notes, Africa has also been plagued by weak states, dictatorships and social instability, and as I'm about to point out, it's been subjected to numerous ruinous IMF SAPs.

"We can't fix every problem — corruption, natural calamities are part of the picture here — but the ones we can we must."

Sounds like we might be agreeing a bunch of soundbites and speeches at a rock concert aren't really the best use of the time given th ecomplexity of the situation.

 ;)


That last quote would only be a reasonable argument if the goal of said soundbites and speeches at a concert was to fully educate people remember.  It is pretty clear, that is NOT the goal.  The goal is to raise awareness, consciousness and discussion. 

If not for rockstars, celebrities, etc raising the level of media attention, this discussion would not be happening here, and elsewhere.  The media attention and even political attention would not be given to the the problems of Africa anywhere near to the extent it is now, and the market for "Dead Aid" would not be what it is now.  It is questionable that any such books, in support or in attack of Aid would even be published if the topic wasnt as high profile as it is now.  The amount of books, and the attention on the subject, would certainly be minuscule comparative to its presence now.  Need proof?  Check the number or articles, books, news bytes stories, etc on Africa before Bono and other celebrities got involved.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: beau99 on April 01, 2009, 01:05:29 AM
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Well said - play the music - that's where the message is.

But keep your big, embarrassing mouth shut - and please, no more sunglasses.

U2 I love your music but bono, you really can be a d**k.
1. Bono's not a d**k.

2. He needs the sunglasses. Many people have no idea he has hypersensitvity to lights. I have the same condition, actually.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Bonoman99 on May 23, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
Carry on Bono...I can't believe how stupid some people are..Bono takes time out singing on stage to say what he has to say,I do not see the problem..Football matches have half time..and American Football and Tv have so many adverts you actually forget what your supposed to be watching..At least at a U2 concert you remember what he has said or sung..So even if its annoying for the fickle your still bloody listening..
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Post by: donvalley360 on May 23, 2009, 05:08:24 PM
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If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 

Hmm,gimme the extra songs anytime,thats what i pay to see! If i want to talk politics,which i dont,then i'll join a political group or something,politics and religion,the 2 biggest devisive,hypocritical,war mongering elements of life that there is,i go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time,so i basically ignore the B.S. that goes with it! 
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on May 23, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
I go to church to be preached to.  How dare they interrupt the sermon with hymns.
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Post by: u2matters on May 23, 2009, 05:14:50 PM
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If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 

Hmm,gimme the extra songs anytime,thats what i pay to see! If i want to talk politics,which i dont,then i'll join a political group or something,politics and religion,the 2 biggest devisive,hypocritical,war mongering elements of life that there is,i go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time,so i basically ignore the B.S. that goes with it! 



then maybe U2 isn't the band you should be paying to see(?)
keep it up Bono
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Post by: joegtheog on May 23, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
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If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 

Hmm,gimme the extra songs anytime,thats what i pay to see! If i want to talk politics,which i dont,then i'll join a political group or something,politics and religion,the 2 biggest devisive,hypocritical,war mongering elements of life that there is,i go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time,so i basically ignore the B.S. that goes with it! 

Make sure you dont listen to Sunday Bloody Sunday or Bullet the Blue Sky when they are played live.
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Post by: donvalley360 on May 23, 2009, 05:19:03 PM
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If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 

Hmm,gimme the extra songs anytime,thats what i pay to see! If i want to talk politics,which i dont,then i'll join a political group or something,politics and religion,the 2 biggest devisive,hypocritical,war mongering elements of life that there is,i go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time,so i basically ignore the B.S. that goes with it! 

Make sure you dont listen to Sunday Bloody Sunday or Bullet the Blue Sky when they are played live.

On the contrary,i like the songs,they are great,just dont like the preaching between the songs thats all
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on May 23, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
Then plugging your ears and thinking happy thoughts may be your best course of action during the "preaching".  :)
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Post by: Bonoman99 on May 24, 2009, 05:11:43 AM
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If I reply to that Jick, I would get banned. If pulling out my cell and texting to One during a concert helps save a life? Or if one person walks out of a show and writes a politican. Then its all good, IMO. I can do without the 1 to 3 songs. 

Hmm,gimme the extra songs anytime,thats what i pay to see! If i want to talk politics,which i dont,then i'll join a political group or something,politics and religion,the 2 biggest devisive,hypocritical,war mongering elements of life that there is,i go to a concert to be entertained and have a good time,so i basically ignore the B.S. that goes with it! 



Most of you miss the point in that all bands have a break,and then an encore at the end,Bono chooses to stay on the stage,or quickly get off to change his clothes and freshen up,and add this to his shows,while other bands leave the stage for a period of time.

Its not only Bono taking a 5 minute breather from singing but the others need a break from playing to get drinks etc...On the vertigo tour at Twickenham it ws bloody hot,the temperature was 109 degress at their level,then add all the lights to,after the 2nd night I was ill due to the heat yet Im only watching them,if you want extra songs that are not scheduled in the show then take an ipod while they take a break.So bleeding fickle it makes me mad,and what constitutes value for money anyways...The Zoo Tv tour they just broke even,so although you were paying the band did not make a penny.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: countrygirl on May 24, 2009, 06:35:01 AM
I actually like Bono's preaching!!!!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: nolinehere on May 24, 2009, 09:00:54 AM
SBS, BTBS, Pride have ALWAYS had some message in them form the first day they were played live.

Where the Vertigo tour took it further was by adding the 'preaching' to Streets, the long winded speeches on 'One' , the potty-break Human rights video, etc.

Too much.

Scale it back to the same level as previous tours.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: dougie on May 24, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
It seems their songs tell their  political and religious beliefs and purpose.  I do not mind being preached to if it is a benefit. Atleast all of the money is going to the cause.  My problem is charging $200 for a ticket then being preached to a lot.  I agree with many, that the last tour got to be a bit too much. 

Have speeches between the acts.  Have all of the booths to present the things they believe in.  But, too much preaching during the show does seem a bit for me.  And, this is from a person who believes in most everything they talk about. But, I also have my own 'charities' and causes I have a great deal of involvement with ( I am a public school teacher and volunteer at the local animal shelter).

Most of us do things to help. BUT, I come to a concert to escape and let loose.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: hurricane hugo on May 24, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Bring back the mirrorball man!

#@!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: aurabender on May 27, 2009, 12:05:58 AM
Asking Bono not to preach is like asking him not to breathe. It is in his DNA.
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Post by: highway190 on May 27, 2009, 12:07:30 AM
I want to see how hard economic times have affected the used-car salesman that is the mirrorball man  :D
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Post by: StrongGirl on May 27, 2009, 08:01:26 AM
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Asking Bono not to preach is like asking him not to breathe. It is in his DNA.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So true!  He is 49 years old and he is not going to change.  ;)

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Post by: zip on May 27, 2009, 10:21:10 AM
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Asking Bono not to preach is like asking him not to breathe. It is in his DNA.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So true!  He is 49 years old and he is not going to change.  ;)










Strong are you sayin us 40 types tend to get set in our ways....?    ;)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: StrongGirl on May 27, 2009, 09:59:49 PM
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Asking Bono not to preach is like asking him not to breathe. It is in his DNA.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So true!  He is 49 years old and he is not going to change.  ;)










Strong are you sayin us 40 types tend to get set in our ways....?    ;)

Yep!!!  That includes me too zip!! ;)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: highway190 on May 27, 2009, 10:13:47 PM
Let him say whatever he wants.
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Post by: u2matters on May 27, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
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Let him say whatever he wants.


Amen!
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Post by: highway190 on May 27, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
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Let him say whatever he wants.


Amen!

Amen here too.

And if people don't like the preaching...I won't say it.
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Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on May 28, 2009, 12:08:05 AM
i love everything and anything Bono says! ;) ;D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on May 28, 2009, 05:23:38 AM
To be honest, I pay for my U2 tickets to go see U2 play their songs, not to listen to a ten minute "put your phones in the air" speech. It was fine in small portions way back but it seems to be taking over their shows these days. I'm not saying stop - just scale the speeches back a bit, and give us what we came for - music.
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Post by: mbeano on June 08, 2009, 10:12:32 PM
I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 
-The norm at a U2 concert during the Vertigo Tour (which had more "speech time" than any tour from ZooTV forward) is no more than 6 minutes total - This includes the speech before Miracle Drug, the Human Rights video, and the speech before One. 
-I have 45 boots all different nites from all legs of the tour. 
-The running time for this tour ranged from 1.9 hrs to 2.5 hrs.
-This means anywhere from 114 minutes to 150 minutes
-The songs played range from 21 to 25.
-Lack of speeches DID NOT account for more songs, compare Vegas nite 1 (23 songs and more speeech time) to Vegas Nite 2 (22 songs and less speech time).
-Less speech = more songs.  --- This is a myth.
-This means people are complaining about anywhere from 4.9% to 0.033% of their concert time (5 divided by 114, 5 divided by 150)
-Lets use the non norm and say 10 minutes of speech time (much more than usual):
----8.77% to 6.66% (10 divided by 114, 10 divided by 150)
-Exaggerate some more - 15 minutes speech time (This is REALLY rare, none of my bootlegs have anywhere near this):
----13.15% to 10.00%.  OK here complaining would be acceptable. 

Remember however, this is TOTAL speech time so its not like 1 long block, for the Vertigo tour this is usually split up between 3 separate times - intro to Miracle Drug, Intro to One and the Human Rights video... (And I know someone is going to mention 1 single concert where Bono rambled for 15 mins.  ya... 1 concert.  That's more than enough support to justify censorship).

I imagine that this is also time used to switch or mess with backingtracks, visuals, gives Larry and everyone a chance to rest, drink etc.  I've seen bands messing with their instruments/equipment for 2 or more minutes in silence, so have you.   
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: JoshuaTree94 on June 08, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 
-The norm at a U2 concert during the Vertigo Tour (which had more "speech time" than any tour from ZooTV forward) is no more than 6 minutes total - This includes the speech before Miracle Drug, the Human Rights video, and the speech before One. 
-I have 45 boots all different nites from all legs of the tour. 
-The running time for this tour ranged from 1.9 hrs to 2.5 hrs.
-This means anywhere from 114 minutes to 150 minutes
-The songs played range from 21 to 25.
-Lack of speeches DID NOT account for more songs, compare Vegas nite 1 (23 songs and more speeech time) to Vegas Nite 2 (22 songs and less speech time).
-Less speech = more songs.  --- This is a myth.
-This means people are complaining about anywhere from 4.9% to 0.033% of their concert time (5 divided by 114, 5 divided by 150)
-Lets use the non norm and say 10 minutes of speech time (much more than usual):
----8.77% to 6.66% (10 divided by 114, 10 divided by 150)
-Exaggerate some more - 15 minutes speech time (This is REALLY rare, none of my bootlegs have anywhere near this):
----13.15% to 10.00%.  OK here complaining would be acceptable. 

Remember however, this is TOTAL speech time so its not like 1 long block, for the Vertigo tour this is usually split up between 3 separate times - intro to Miracle Drug, Intro to One and the Human Rights video... (And I know someone is going to mention 1 single concert where Bono rambled for 15 mins.  ya... 1 concert.  That's more than enough support to justify censorship).

I imagine that this is also time used to switch or mess with backingtracks, visuals, gives Larry and everyone a chance to rest, drink etc.  I've seen bands messing with their instruments/equipment for 2 or more minutes in silence, so have you.   

This took me 1.5% more minutes to read than I hoped it would.  :)
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: highway190 on June 09, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 


You said it all. If you don't want to spend your money to hear "the preaching" then don't go.  No one is forcing you to buy a ticket.
Or go get your f****** beer during the speech instead of when they're playing a song. You know what? I hope they throw in a 10 minute human rights video just to pi*s people off.

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: highway190 on June 09, 2009, 12:04:35 AM
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We pay U2 for their music, we don't pay them for their humanitarian work.  Actually, it would be irresponsible to let us pay for their humanitarian work because it would be unjust enrichment on their part to profit on the plight of the needy.

In a concert, we pay to get a U2 performance with great music - not long rants and speeches.  If Bono was paid a dime for every speech he makes for the plight of the needy, how would surely make a lot of money by now - at the expense of the needy.

The fans want to come out of the show with a great musical experience.  No everyone goes to a concert just to "get enlightened" about the plight of Africans and then come out feeling like they should write their politicians a letter.  It is simply the wrong avenue to preach.

We are losing 1 to 3 songs because of Bono's preaching.


Cheers,

J





You're missing no songs whatsoever. Actually the Vertigo sets were longer on average than Elevation. Go see Bon Jovi.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Anthony02 on June 09, 2009, 12:32:55 AM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 


You said it all. If you don't want to spend your money to hear "the preaching" then don't go.  No one is forcing you to buy a ticket.
Or go get your f****** beer during the speech instead of when they're playing a song. You know what? I hope they throw in a 10 minute human rights video just to pi*s people off.




Exactly I agree, hit the beer stand. No one makes you stand there and listen.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 09, 2009, 02:26:26 AM
They throw in a 10 mins human rights video im out of there,i have my own thoughtson that,i dont need anybody else preaching to me about it,no matter who they are!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on June 09, 2009, 03:28:57 AM
The recent Dublin interview (the clips are posted in the video section) indicated that Bono was going to let the world know about Ireland and how great a country it was during the tour. Dunno if it's an indication of change of preeching topic for him.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 09, 2009, 06:44:46 AM
That i dont have a problem with,nothing wrong with letting people know that you're proud of where you come from,its preaching politics and religion that does me!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on June 09, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 


You said it all. If you don't want to spend your money to hear "the preaching" then don't go.  No one is forcing you to buy a ticket.
Or go get your f****** beer during the speech instead of when they're playing a song. You know what? I hope they throw in a 10 minute human rights video just to pi*s people off.




Amen!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on June 09, 2009, 05:46:36 PM
not that it would be as beneficial to his causes...but I'm kind of fond of 'pi**ed Off Bono'. I'd like to see a return of him someday soon.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on June 09, 2009, 08:34:00 PM
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The recent Dublin interview (the clips are posted in the video section) indicated that Bono was going to let the world know about Ireland and how great a country it was during the tour. Dunno if it's an indication of change of preeching topic for him.

Oh God, hope it's not like an advertising scheme to get tourists  :-\

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on June 10, 2009, 09:55:36 AM
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The recent Dublin interview (the clips are posted in the video section) indicated that Bono was going to let the world know about Ireland and how great a country it was during the tour. Dunno if it's an indication of change of preeching topic for him.

Oh God, hope it's not like an advertising scheme to get tourists  :-\



It wont be far off!! Dancing Leprauchauns on teh screens behind them! Get your Riverdance gear on and get ready for Bono doing a few "Dis Dat and De Odders"
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on June 10, 2009, 12:39:04 PM
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The recent Dublin interview (the clips are posted in the video section) indicated that Bono was going to let the world know about Ireland and how great a country it was during the tour. Dunno if it's an indication of change of preeching topic for him.

Oh God, hope it's not like an advertising scheme to get tourists  :-\



It wont be far off!! Dancing Leprauchauns on teh screens behind them! Get your Riverdance gear on and get ready for Bono doing a few "Dis Dat and De Odders"

Promotional Consideration of the Advertisment was brought to you by the likes of Paul Hewson  :D

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: DarkRidley (Chief Kitty Kat Utilities Officer) on June 10, 2009, 01:11:54 PM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 
-The norm at a U2 concert during the Vertigo Tour (which had more "speech time" than any tour from ZooTV forward) is no more than 6 minutes total - This includes the speech before Miracle Drug, the Human Rights video, and the speech before One. 
-I have 45 boots all different nites from all legs of the tour. 
-The running time for this tour ranged from 1.9 hrs to 2.5 hrs.
-This means anywhere from 114 minutes to 150 minutes
-The songs played range from 21 to 25.
-Lack of speeches DID NOT account for more songs, compare Vegas nite 1 (23 songs and more speeech time) to Vegas Nite 2 (22 songs and less speech time).
-Less speech = more songs.  --- This is a myth.
-This means people are complaining about anywhere from 4.9% to 0.033% of their concert time (5 divided by 114, 5 divided by 150)
-Lets use the non norm and say 10 minutes of speech time (much more than usual):
----8.77% to 6.66% (10 divided by 114, 10 divided by 150)
-Exaggerate some more - 15 minutes speech time (This is REALLY rare, none of my bootlegs have anywhere near this):
----13.15% to 10.00%.  OK here complaining would be acceptable. 

Remember however, this is TOTAL speech time so its not like 1 long block, for the Vertigo tour this is usually split up between 3 separate times - intro to Miracle Drug, Intro to One and the Human Rights video... (And I know someone is going to mention 1 single concert where Bono rambled for 15 mins.  ya... 1 concert.  That's more than enough support to justify censorship).

I imagine that this is also time used to switch or mess with backingtracks, visuals, gives Larry and everyone a chance to rest, drink etc.  I've seen bands messing with their instruments/equipment for 2 or more minutes in silence, so have you.   

TRUTH.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: highway190 on June 10, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
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I love the full fledged unabashed cheering for censorship

I also love the notion that politics, social activism, and entertainment are mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

I love the idea that thinking, opinions, and debate are enemies to fun and entertainment

I love the idea that anything remotely controversial, that could annoy someone, that could be in conflict with some people's views or opinions or beliefs, or that a person should not have an ego or think thier opinion matters have any place IN ROCK N ROLL!!!



To all you that believe in the crap above... You are the enemy or art, democracy, freedom, and the ideals of rock n roll:

-If Bono wants to preach make a speech or crap on stage screw you,,, He can do what he wants its rock n roll, dont try to dictate it.

-You are the reason music and movie execs give us mindless drivel to watch and listen to like Nickelback and Creed and Dawson's Creek, Dancing with the Stars, and why the dumb summer blockbuster is not just during summer anymore.

Now dont get me wrong... just like when there is too much dialogue in a movie... too much speech can be a drag.  However, this is not the norm. 
-The norm at a U2 concert during the Vertigo Tour (which had more "speech time" than any tour from ZooTV forward) is no more than 6 minutes total - This includes the speech before Miracle Drug, the Human Rights video, and the speech before One. 
-I have 45 boots all different nites from all legs of the tour. 
-The running time for this tour ranged from 1.9 hrs to 2.5 hrs.
-This means anywhere from 114 minutes to 150 minutes
-The songs played range from 21 to 25.
-Lack of speeches DID NOT account for more songs, compare Vegas nite 1 (23 songs and more speeech time) to Vegas Nite 2 (22 songs and less speech time).
-Less speech = more songs.  --- This is a myth.
-This means people are complaining about anywhere from 4.9% to 0.033% of their concert time (5 divided by 114, 5 divided by 150)
-Lets use the non norm and say 10 minutes of speech time (much more than usual):
----8.77% to 6.66% (10 divided by 114, 10 divided by 150)
-Exaggerate some more - 15 minutes speech time (This is REALLY rare, none of my bootlegs have anywhere near this):
----13.15% to 10.00%.  OK here complaining would be acceptable. 

Remember however, this is TOTAL speech time so its not like 1 long block, for the Vertigo tour this is usually split up between 3 separate times - intro to Miracle Drug, Intro to One and the Human Rights video... (And I know someone is going to mention 1 single concert where Bono rambled for 15 mins.  ya... 1 concert.  That's more than enough support to justify censorship).

I imagine that this is also time used to switch or mess with backingtracks, visuals, gives Larry and everyone a chance to rest, drink etc.  I've seen bands messing with their instruments/equipment for 2 or more minutes in silence, so have you.   

TRUTH.

I wonder if any of the complainers about the preaching have ever seen RATM or Roger Waters? Hahahahaa. They would have a coronary. Those two are some of my favorites BTW.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on June 10, 2009, 02:38:06 PM
This is a general question to anyone in favor of Bono not "preaching" during concerts.

Do you feel that video clips of MLK and the reading of the declaration of human rights should be removed as well?
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on June 10, 2009, 02:46:29 PM
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This is a general question to anyone in favor of Bono not "preaching" during concerts.

Do you feel that video clips of MLK and the reading of the declaration of human rights should be removed as well?

Well, considering Pride was ABOUT MLK, why not have him in?

But you have to consider it is U2 people are paying in to see. Not Bono promoting his political agenda, agree with it or disagree with it. That's what's bugs people. People pay to hear teh music of a band. If they want a Bono political issue, it's all avaialble on youtube.

On saying that, Bono probably will speech at every gig as it's part of his script he has made us expect. Want to see a gig and not a political gathering? Tch. Dont get annoyed. Get a toilet break or a beer. That's where I can be found in Croke Park when he starts off.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: birdlover on June 10, 2009, 02:51:35 PM
I have a hard time understanding this whole question.
When I went to Johnny Cash concerts, I knew I'd hear about prisons and trains. With John Denver it was mountains. Had I not been interested or concerned, I would have chosen another singer to follow.

U2 care about the world and the people in it. They sing about it, they talk about it. Bono is their spokesman in most cases. Yes, I know Larry has his reservations, but even he supports the work.

Why, oh WHY would you spend your time and money following a band knowing they do this?  It's the heart of their music!

Birdlover
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: joegtheog on June 10, 2009, 02:57:54 PM
So one consensus would be its OK for Bono to sing about politics, but not talk about them, in the venue of a concert. I've known about the entire U2 package since 1985 and Live Aid.  If people really have an issue with the preaching they should plug their ears. One way to look at it is an intermission.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 10, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
Truth is you cant please everyone,i go for the music and atmosphere,the politics and religion i choose to ignore if its something that i dont agree with,i just let it go over my head.
But id still rather it didnt happen,i guess id better not hold my breath for that to happen!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: whitewave on June 10, 2009, 10:04:41 PM
Honestly it would not be the same if he didn't.  Causes, politics are at the core of this band.  I think I'd be somewhat disappointed if there wasn't some "sermon on the mount".
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: One Tree Hill on June 17, 2009, 10:04:41 AM
Its an old joke..but lightens this current debate...where U2 are doing a concert and Bono has everyone in the palm of his hand ,everything is quiet and everyone is listening and Bono says' if 10seconds when I click my fingers,someone dies in Africa..' then an Irishman in the crowd yells'''well stop clicking your feckin fingers then..'
I have been to many U2 concerts over the years and Bono's needing people to really got on board with any message he has to convey..has gotten worse/longer/more intense (I will leave how you feel about it up to you)..
I gues as you travel the world more and more,see more desecration ,tyranny,poverty and unjustness..well its got to affect you so that you are the same young man that just wanted a top selling record...If I was handed a baby and begged to take him/her because the baby would survive with me..I would be very affected.....
What I did feel when I was watching and listening to one of my fav U2 songs 'miracle drug' and Bono was asking everyone to text the number on the screen and to ambush the worlds leaders at the impending G8 summit...I felt cheated out of that song.. and the politcal message ambushed the concert..dont get me wrong I still enjoyed it..but felt a bit cheated...
Richard Ashcroft (lead singer of The Verve..who did 'Bittersweet symphony with Coldplay at the Live 8 concert) said in an interview.. 'Bono and Mr Geldof tell me right now what did that concert actually do??'...that made me think ...the amount of debt relief money had already been decided and allocated before the Live8 concert had been done..these were outlined before the G8 summit... i wonder if it wouldve been a better idea to ask for money like they did in the pioneering days of the 80's with the first Live Aid..and Bono and Geldof and any other celebrity who wanted to lift their waning career(yes a bit cynical there) out of the doldrums and go to Africa with the dosh and hand out mosquito nets..that wouldve been more useful..than the 'creating awareness/putting pressure on our politicians' approach.
Funnily when Beyonce and JayZ were visiting the BonoVox household Bono's daughter made that comment that her dad was 'boring the a*se off their guests talking about Africa'....so you think we got it bad..think about his kids
Anyway I conclude that Bono will preach he will take 1-2 songs to do it..if you dont like get a round in..get a hot dog,go to the loo or stand there listen and perhaps understand the good intent that it is given............Amen ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 23, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
Having seen the sound check set list,looks like we're getting a Desmond tutu speech. That will be my shut off time for sure!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on June 24, 2009, 08:32:29 AM
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Having seen the sound check set list,looks like we're getting a Desmond tutu speech. That will be my shut off time for sure!

yes, and it's not as if we don't know what tutu has done in south africa! to all you bono psycophants, i hope you are all adequately patronised at each gig as you all seem to wish to be. I, for one, will listen, but not be enthralled. i like bono...but, like us, he isn't a perfect human being and should be open to criticism like the rest of us. we don't have to agree with everything he does. esecially the motives behind his behaviour.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on June 24, 2009, 09:05:28 AM
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Having seen the sound check set list,looks like we're getting a Desmond tutu speech. That will be my shut off time for sure!

yes, and it's not as if we don't know what tutu has done in south africa! to all you bono psycophants, i hope you are all adequately patronised at each gig as you all seem to wish to be. I, for one, will listen, but not be enthralled. i like bono...but, like us, he isn't a perfect human being and should be open to criticism like the rest of us. we don't have to agree with everything he does. esecially the motives behind his behaviour.


do enlighten us about his motives ... or, should I say - your perception of his motives
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: miami on June 25, 2009, 03:35:41 AM
i think a lot of his charitable work is simply because he cares a lot about impoverished people. i think a significant influence, though, is his own ego. a desire to stay in the limelight. bono retains an irritable characteristic: a need to remain relevant. a lot of his charitable work allows bono time in the limelight, and offers u2 a road to relevancy, even if their star is on the wain.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on June 25, 2009, 10:10:48 AM
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i think a lot of his charitable work is simply because he cares a lot about impoverished people. i think a significant influence, though, is his own ego. a desire to stay in the limelight. bono retains an irritable characteristic: a need to remain relevant. a lot of his charitable work allows bono time in the limelight, and offers u2 a road to relevancy, even if their star is on the wain.


that's fair, but don't we all have ego? does it not play an integral part in all of our lives?
How else would he be able to do all that he does? trumpeting in the faces of world leaders that we need to treat the other half of the planet more fairly(?)
I'm not sure that his work is in the name of of his own ego, I think he's taken more slack for it than anything else. And, he takes the punches gracefully. The band too, has taken punches for it.
And, despite the criticism, he marches on - without shame.
I also think many people often fail to understand the importance of ego. Sure, it can be abused - but I don't think Bono is an abuser of his own ego, I really don't. I think he uses it wisely. A pessimist might subscribe to the theory that he is ego driven, but I rather think this is a way of not seeing the forest for the trees, and an excuse to ignore what he's on about. He'd be the first to tell us that it's pretty sad that it has come to this - the fact that a rock star ( celebrity ) is out here having to pipe up about injustices the world leaders have ignored.
Personally, I've gotten beyond the ego stuff - and heard the message. If it were self-serving for Bono to do all this hard work in the name on justice, then so be it. The truth of the message remains.
I must digress, or I won't stop running in circles here ... the bottom line for me is that I'm glad he has and uses his ego - for it has done a hell of a a lot more good than bad.

ps. remember that it was Bono who said "I'm sick of Bono, and I am Bono!" - I think he understands the naysayers, but the message is too important to ignore, me thinks.
I also think history will be very kind to him. And John Lennon and the like, would be / are hugely proud of him.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: LOGAN B on June 25, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
I think having millions of fans buying your music and thousands of people singing along to your songs is enough to please his ego. Helping the ones in need is hardly about ego. I think  artist and actors using their fame to bring light to injustices around the world is a good thing. However, it has been undermined by those that only do it for the good publicity. The problem is us. Our indifference. Our apathy. I recently asked about 10 people what they thought about the unrest in Iran and they had NO CLUE anything was going on. Or about the Healthcare reform in the U.S. and they were completely unaware. And that is something that will affect them personally. I can see why Bono continues to do what he does. Someone has to do it.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on June 25, 2009, 11:42:13 AM
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I think having millions of fans buying your music and thousands of people singing along to your songs is enough to please his ego. Helping the ones in need is hardly about ego. I think  artist and actors using their fame to bring light to injustices around the world is a good thing. However, it has been undermined by those that only do it for the good publicity. The problem is us. Our indifference. Our apathy. I recently asked about 10 people what they thought about the unrest in Iran and they had NO CLUE anything was going on. Or about the Healthcare reform in the U.S. and they were completely unaware. And that is something that will affect them personally. I can see why Bono continues to do what he does. Someone has to do it.

exactly.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: mbeano on June 25, 2009, 09:49:53 PM
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i think a lot of his charitable work is simply because he cares a lot about impoverished people. i think a significant influence, though, is his own ego. a desire to stay in the limelight. bono retains an irritable characteristic: a need to remain relevant. a lot of his charitable work allows bono time in the limelight, and offers u2 a road to relevancy, even if their star is on the wain.

that's fair, but don't we all have ego? does it not play an integral part in all of our lives?
How else would he be able to do all that he does? trumpeting in the faces of world leaders that we need to treat the other half of the planet more fairly(?)
I'm not sure that his work is in the name of of his own ego, I think he's taken more slack for it than anything else. And, he takes the punches gracefully. The band too, has taken punches for it.
And, despite the criticism, he marches on - without shame.
I also think many people often fail to understand the importance of ego. Sure, it can be abused - but I don't think Bono is an abuser of his own ego, I really don't. I think he uses it wisely. A pessimist might subscribe to the theory that he is ego driven, but I rather think this is a way of not seeing the forest for the trees, and an excuse to ignore what he's on about. He'd be the first to tell us that it's pretty sad that it has come to this - the fact that a rock star ( celebrity ) is out here having to pipe up about injustices the world leaders have ignored.
Personally, I've gotten beyond the ego stuff - and heard the message. If it were self-serving for Bono to do all this hard work in the name on justice, then so be it. The truth of the message remains.
I must digress, or I won't stop running in circles here ... the bottom line for me is that I'm glad he has and uses his ego - for it has done a hell of a a lot more good than bad.

ps. remember that it was Bono who said "I'm sick of Bono, and I am Bono!" - I think he understands the naysayers, but the message is too important to ignore, me thinks.
I also think history will be very kind to him. And John Lennon and the like, would be / are hugely proud of him.

Bravo!  I agree with you 100%
-Bono is part of a select few who can fully recognize flaws, annoying characteristics, cons etc, but at least attempts to view ALL the pros and cons of a given situation, topic, goal, course of action etc.  Most people take a single minded approach or view when tackling problems,  Thier view is usually limited to a single portion of what they can see in front of them.  EVERYONE who has spent time owrking on something with Bono has stated how prepared and studied he is on the subject at hand, whether it be music, literature, politics, social issues.  He takes the effort and time to study various angles and aspects and weighs the pros and cons.  He goes into a situation knowing full well Politicians may be using him for a photo op, that he will be seen as uncool, that the dark and dreary minions of elitism and cool will deem him as a hopeless ego driven romantic etc etc etc.  Yet he still goes in knowing all this and more.  He doesnt let that stop him

-I agree full heartedly about ego in general...  It is usually failures, negative people who do not have or want big goals, and pessimists who are sickened by egos in general.  Ego can be good or bad or neither.  It is just ego.  Yet we have been taught to believe that we must tuck it away, that it is evil and tainted.  I assert that without a good amount of ego NOTHING would get accomplished in ANY area or field.  Every big idea, big goal or challenge REQUIRES the ego driven.  It does take ego to say to yourself "Screw it... Im gonna take this on" to a big challenge.

On a similar but side note.  I believe it to be foolish to suggest that Bono (or anyone) is singularly driven by one factor.  To those that dismiss Bono as either being insincere or somehow tainted because he does things out of ego...
First...
e⋅go
  /ˈigoʊ, ˈɛgoʊ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA
Use ego in a Sentence
–noun, plural e⋅gos.
1.    the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
2.    Psychoanalysis. the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment.
3.    egotism; conceit; self-importance: Her ego becomes more unbearable each day.
4.    self-esteem or self-image; feelings: Your criticism wounded his ego.
5.    (often initial capital letter) Philosophy.
a.    the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
b.    Scholasticism. the complete person comprising both body and soul.
6.    Ethnology. a person who serves as the central reference point in the study of organizational and kinship relationships.

e·go   (ē'gō, ěg'ō)   
n.   pl. e·gos
   1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
   2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
   3.   1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
         2. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

-By definition, pretty much every conscious decision we make is driven at least in part by ego.
-Secondly, I cant think of a single thing I have done or that I do which is purely and only done to satisfy a single motive or purpose.  The only things that fall under this category are bodily function needed to sustain life.  Every choice outside of these have multiple motives, agendas, and/or purposes.

So let us hypothetical claim that EGO is in fact evil, horrible and something to be cast away 100% of the time.  Even given this falsehood, for the sake of argument, that still leaves ego mixed in with other motives.  The "evil" ego does not cancel out any other motives, it coexists with them.

The argument is weak, and easily disqualified as it requires that 1) You attach a permanent negative meaning to ego which is not part of its actual definition, and 2) Ignore the fact that pretty much every choice has multiple motives

Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on June 26, 2009, 07:00:54 AM
I tell you what would drive me even more nuts than Bono's preeching at this tour. With the hype and size of the claw, if U2 do a Vertigo "walk on stage and wave" entrance, I will feel so abusive at that point...... a scramble for rotten eggs will ensue.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: countrygirl on June 26, 2009, 07:39:03 AM
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I tell you what would drive me even more nuts than Bono's preeching at this tour. With the hype and size of the claw, if U2 do a Vertigo "walk on stage and wave" entrance, I will feel so abusive at that point...... a scramble for rotten eggs will ensue.

say what????? ??? ???
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: daveyg on June 26, 2009, 07:41:14 AM
I liked the big entrances of ZoTV and Popmart. The Vertigo and Elevation tour entrances annoyed me far more than Bonos speeches
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: countrygirl on June 26, 2009, 07:42:31 AM
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I liked the big entrances of ZoTV and Popmart. The Vertigo and Elevation tour entrances annoyed me far more than Bonos speeches

Oh, guess I'm a little slow today.  :D
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 27, 2009, 07:31:45 AM
I have to agree with the Vertigo tour entrance,extremely lame,i hope they do something abit more spectacular this time,in the mould of popmart,that built up the excitement just before they came on,because the experience that i had at Mnchester on Vertigo was just awful,half the people didnt realise they were even on stage at first,it was very low key!

And also,on the preaching subject,apparently bono is urging people to wear masks of some Burmese politician! WTF! I certainly will not be doing that,there are enough problems in Britain,without worrying about a Burmese politician,Bono,does us all a favour,and get a reality check!!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: indiansummer on June 27, 2009, 08:27:58 AM
Why do they have to make a big entrance, is the music not enough?
 The Joshua Tree entrance was easily the best, Edge/Larry/Adam playing the  intro to Streets , then Bono simply walks on stage to the microphone and "UP UP UP !!!!!" and we're away, they haven't done any intro that has beaten that.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: u2matters on June 27, 2009, 09:38:29 AM
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I have to agree with the Vertigo tour entrance,extremely lame,i hope they do something abit more spectacular this time,in the mould of popmart,that built up the excitement just before they came on,because the experience that i had at Mnchester on Vertigo was just awful,half the people didnt realise they were even on stage at first,it was very low key!

And also,on the preaching subject,apparently bono is urging people to wear masks of some Burmese politician! WTF! I certainly will not be doing that,there are enough problems in Britain,without worrying about a Burmese politician,Bono,does us all a favour,and get a reality check!!


are you kidding?! have you any clue who Aung San Suu Kyi is and what she represents?!
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: StrongGirl on June 27, 2009, 10:59:14 PM
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I have to agree with the Vertigo tour entrance,extremely lame,i hope they do something abit more spectacular this time,in the mould of popmart,that built up the excitement just before they came on,because the experience that i had at Mnchester on Vertigo was just awful,half the people didnt realise they were even on stage at first,it was very low key!

And also,on the preaching subject,apparently bono is urging people to wear masks of some Burmese politician! WTF! I certainly will not be doing that,there are enough problems in Britain,without worrying about a Burmese politician,Bono,does us all a favour,and get a reality check!!


are you kidding?! have you any clue who Aung San Suu Kyi is and what she represents?!

Thank you u2 matters. I felt a bit sick when I read that post. I mean no disrespect to donvalley. I believe they , like so many others, need to really research this person before forming an opinion about them. I am quite sure after they research this woman, they will then know what bravery and sacrifice really mean.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: jayb77 on June 28, 2009, 06:24:43 AM
i think we will get a ZOO TV type tour entrance on this tour. i think that the widow screen will have a into film then rise up as the band start the first song.

oh and please keep it short and sweet this time bono. you where like a boring pub bore last time around.
Title: Re: bono, please no more preaching on this tour!
Post by: donvalley360 on June 28, 2009, 07:37:46 AM
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I have to agree with the Vertigo tour entrance,extremely lame,i hope they do something abit more spectacular this time,in the mould of popmart,that built up the excitement just before they came on,because the experience that i had at Mnchester on Vertigo was just awful,half the people didnt realise they were even on stage at first,it was very low key!

And also,on the preaching subject,apparently bono is urging people to wear masks of some Burmese politician! WTF! I certainly will not be doing that,there are enough problems in Britain,without worrying about a Burmese politician,Bono,does us all a favour,and get a reality check!!


are you kidding?! have you any clue who Aung San Suu Kyi is and what she represents?!

Honestly,i dont have a clue,im not jduging her by the way,but im far more concerned with problems in my own country,why should i be interested in wearing a mask of some lady that im not in the least bit interested in,maybe if shes a decent person,which she probably is, we should swap her for our schemeing,conning politicians,because they are the lowest of the low!