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Title: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 02, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
How come I like the new mode far more better than the latest U2? When No line came out I liked some songs on it but most were the same old.  But now listening to the new Depeche Mode I have to say the delivered more than U2.
Sounds of Universe beats U2's No line easily.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 02, 2009, 10:01:18 AM
I have not heard the DM album. But if "Wrong" is any indication, then U2 has nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 02, 2009, 10:07:00 AM
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I have not heard the DM album. But if "Wrong" is any indication, then U2 has nothing to worry about.
Yeah since "Get on your boots" was such a great mindblowing single. wrong kicks Boots's ass.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 02, 2009, 10:07:56 AM
I'll see you over at the DM fan site.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 02, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
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I'll see you over at the DM fan site.
See you there too bro
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: hurricane hugo on April 02, 2009, 10:31:27 AM
Huge DM fan here...but I ***king hate Wrong! Great lyrics ruined by completely crap music.

#@!
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 02, 2009, 10:55:44 AM
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Huge DM fan here...but I ***king hate Wrong! Great lyrics ruined by completely crap music.

#@!
At least it has more balls than Boots. even the video is better.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 02, 2009, 11:42:25 AM
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Huge DM fan here...but I ***king hate Wrong! Great lyrics ruined by completely crap music.

#@!
At least it has more balls than Boots. even the video is better.


The videos are on par with each other.  But as far as the song goes, Dm couldn't have said it better.

"WRONG!"
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Anthony02 on April 02, 2009, 01:47:22 PM
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How come I like the new mode far more better than the latest U2? When No line came out I liked some songs on it but most were the same old.  But now listening to the new Depeche Mode I have to say the delivered more than U2.
Sounds of Universe beats U2's No line easily.


The same old what? Yea boots was not the best single. Im over it. I havent heard the DM album. But when I do, Ill hit the DM forum and give you my thoughts.  ;D
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: macfoley on April 02, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
heard it. its an ok album. nothing special really, sounds like music for the masses era with some 80's synth but freshened up today.

i actually like WRONG its the rest of the album which lacks for me.

3 out of 5

Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: u2matters on April 02, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
I have a friend who is a die-hard DM fan - and he LOVES GOYB. He much prefers it over the new DM.
Thought that would be interesting to share ...
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Northern Soul on April 02, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
Troll
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 02:52:55 PM
They are both great. DM did deliver this time around. I've been a huge fan of both bands for a long time now. U2 has been much more consistent IMHO. That said, this is DM's strongest album since their last masterpiece, Songs of Faith & Devotion. The fact that they can make an album this good without having one of their key members (Alan Wilder) is pretty amazing.

That said, I still don't think it's better than U2's NLOTH. It's just that I didn't expect Depeche's album to be as good as it is. One of the best songs is 'Come Back' but unfortunately it seems that DM isn't choosing the live studio version that has a Beatles-esque sound. If you've seen them perform it in the youtube clip it's extraordinary and emotional. Instead it seems they went with a more shoegaze rendition which is cool but doesn't have an emotional impact IMO.

I love both of these bands!  :D
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: EdgeLike on April 02, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
Electronica = fail.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 02, 2009, 03:30:59 PM
every album since Music for the Masses (except Exciter) has grabbed my interest in one way or another. Violator, Songs of Faith and Devotion, and Ultra are pretty damn good albums. Despite the mess of "Wrong", I'm sure I'll pick up the new one.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
I think it's very interesting how U2 and DM are polar opposites but have so much more in common than people realize. Neither band was aware of the Blues until U2 did JT and R&H, and Depeche did Violator and more Gospel leanings on Songs of Faith & Devotion. The period between Violator - Achtung Baby - and SOFAD is the period where these bands were experimenting with the opposite ends of their spectrum, where they were finding common ground. U2 infused dance, dark energy, and electronic experimentation. Depeche were playing guitar and real drums verses programming, and they were stretching their melodies more into the ether. It is interesting to me that Depeche Mode have become quite spiritual referencing God and spirituality, and religion in many of their lyrics and felt in their music. It's great to see them find that. Especially after they had written a song called Blasphemous Rumors years before...where I kind of thought God was going to fry my stereo for listening to it!  :D

U2 certainly have always had firm foundation in spiritual territory.

Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Revolver7 on April 02, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
I like Depeche Mode a lot  8)

I like Wrong better than Boots...and I'm definitely looking forward to Sounds of the Universe
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: brendan,belfast on April 02, 2009, 05:32:05 PM
Haven't heard Depeche Mode but I know this; you are full of sh**.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
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Haven't heard Depeche Mode but I know this; you are full of sh**.

Brendan, you need to back up what u say in here if your going to be so confident....even jick does that occasionally
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
where are people listening to the new DM...i'd give my left nut to hear it roght now.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 08:50:56 PM
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where are people listening to the new DM...i'd give my left nut to hear it roght now.

Brendan's place?
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
ha ha...ahhhh..boner.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
hehe...Well I heard it's a wild party. You have to be dressed in '80's Depeche S&M gear just to get in the door! password is a**less chaps!

tee-hee  :P
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
and you have to be doing copious amounts of heroin......just kidding DP fans but it's so easy.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:05:16 PM
Well, 'People Are People'  ::)
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
yes they are...and they never let me down again.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: luieu2 on April 02, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
lets all go on DM forum and tell them NLOTH is the best album.
 but we are to intelligent to do that. ;)
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
LLLLLLUUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE..ya man, I'm wasted.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:16:23 PM
listening to Eagles of Death Metal...pretty solid album.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:19:57 PM
Lol, "Easy Tiger" it's only a "Question of Time" before "Somebody" asks you to play "Master and Servant" and expects "Strangelove". So please be careful because you can't "Shake The Disease".

Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
Shake the disease is their best ....hands down.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Yeah really good tune. But somebody here started "Blasphemous Rumors" that the new Depeche Mode album is better than
NLOTH, and that's just "Wrong".
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:28:06 PM
ha ha ...Bono, your such a Violator.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
ha ha..just promise you won't get "Behind The Wheel".  :P
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: luieu2 on April 02, 2009, 09:32:28 PM
one word overdose ;)
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 02, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
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ha ha..just promise you won't get "Behind The Wheel".  :P

That would be wrong.......ok, Im running out.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 02, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
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one word overdose ;)

He better get "Clean". Well, it's "The Dead of Night" so "Goodnight Lovers". "Enjoy The Silence".

Cause the only "Freelove" you're going to get here is if you "Pleasure Little Treasure". If you think otherwise - "DREAM ON".  :-*
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 01:56:33 AM

I quite like the new DM single - and it has a fantastic video.

DM (like U2) lost it over their last 2 or 3 albums. But 'wrong' seems like a great new single - maybe the album will be good too.

Oh no, I just said something positive - what has come over me.

'Wrong' certainly fares better than 'Boots' did!?!?
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 03, 2009, 05:03:03 AM
When I first played No line I thought it was a great comeback but after numerous listening it kinda doesn't hold up. (Magnifecent is the bets track on the Album the rest is kinda well not up there) I'm back on Zooropa which I still think is U2's most daring album. I love the Cybersonic sound of it. When Achtung came out I was a long time U2 fan. But I thought that album really kick ass in a time when U2 needed to kick ass. But although Achtung is a better made album it's Zooropa that really stayed with me. It fully understood and embraced the dawn of new technology and it's so good it withstood the test of time. which is really an achievement since No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.

For me after Zooropa and some songs on POP it went downhill with U2. Yeah To be honest I really liked some songs on POP. Liked the sound of it. Didn't know it wasn't finished when it came out. I didn't like the single and the overproduced version op Please. The version on the album was heartbreakingly beautiful. The one they finished was mwauh. Ok. Pop contained a couple of hauntingly beautiful song which I'm glad that U2 didn't have time to finish and f*** up.

The came all that u can leave behind I been never been able to listen to that album in one go since it bores the living sh** out of me. I think atomic bomb was even worse. it had absolutely no soul or fire what so ever Just A couple of very overproduced boring songs.
 with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.

And Now about the video's they've been making in the last ten years. Please have balls to stay the f*** out of your own video's
 it's tiring to see the bad playing in each damn video.

I showed All I want is you to my girlfriend and she hates u2 but that video made her cry.
Make more art and deepfelt story telling Like electrical storm, video's instead of look here we are in a panaorma shot look here we are in close up. it gets boring Bono to see you in every goddamn shot. Just let the lyrics tell a f****** beautifl story.

Magnificent should've been the first video and track and a f****** great one since it lends it for it. But I bet we're going to get to see U2 in every goddamn shot playing the song Bono with his mouth wide open.

Damn I'm so glad that Depeche mode is at least trying it.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 05:17:46 AM
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When I first played No line I thought it was a great comeback but after numerous listening it kinda doesn't hold up. (Magnifecent is the bets track on the Album the rest is kinda well not up there) I'm back on Zooropa which I still think is U2's most daring album. I love the Cybersonic sound of it. When Achtung came out I was a long time U2 fan. But I thought that album really kick ass in a time when U2 needed to kick ass. But although Achtung is a better made album it's Zooropa that really stayed with me. It fully understood and embraced the dawn of new technology and it's so good it withstood the test of time. which is really an achievement since No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.

For me after Zooropa and some songs on POP it went downhill with U2. Yeah To be honest I really liked some songs on POP. Liked the sound of it. Didn't know it wasn't finished when it came out. I didn't like the single and the overproduced version op Please. The version on the album was heartbreakingly beautiful. The one they finished was mwauh. Ok. Pop contained a couple of hauntingly beautiful song which I'm glad that U2 didn't have time to finish and f*** up.

The came all that u can leave behind I been never been able to listen to that album in one go since it bores the living sh** out of me. I think atomic bomb was even worse. it had absolutely no soul or fire what so ever Just A couple of very overproduced boring songs.
 with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.

And Now about the video's they've been making in the last ten years. Please have balls to stay the f*** out of your own video's
 it's tiring to see the bad playing in each damn video.

I showed All I want is you to my girlfriend and she hates u2 but that video made her cry.
Make more art and deepfelt story telling Like electrical storm, video's instead of look here we are in a panaorma shot look here we are in close up. it gets boring Bono to see you in every goddamn shot. Just let the lyrics tell a f****** beautifl story.

Magnificent should've been the first video and track and a f****** great one since it lends it for it. But I bet we're going to get to see U2 in every goddamn shot playing the song Bono with his mouth wide open.

Damn I'm so glad that Depeche mode is at least trying it.


Good man - a well balanced argument. I think you're right, Zooropa was great.

Interesting too that a lot of people don't mention Electrical Storm. I think it's a fantastic song. But strangely, it was recorded during one of their dull periods. Sometimes U2 seem to record their best music when they're not trying so hard.

Magnificent is an equally great song but some of NLOTH makes me want to eat my own ears.

Let's hope the shows are good. Still love that new DM single...
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 03, 2009, 05:24:12 AM
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When I first played No line I thought it was a great comeback but after numerous listening it kinda doesn't hold up. (Magnifecent is the bets track on the Album the rest is kinda well not up there) I'm back on Zooropa which I still think is U2's most daring album. I love the Cybersonic sound of it. When Achtung came out I was a long time U2 fan. But I thought that album really kick ass in a time when U2 needed to kick ass. But although Achtung is a better made album it's Zooropa that really stayed with me. It fully understood and embraced the dawn of new technology and it's so good it withstood the test of time. which is really an achievement since No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.

For me after Zooropa and some songs on POP it went downhill with U2. Yeah To be honest I really liked some songs on POP. Liked the sound of it. Didn't know it wasn't finished when it came out. I didn't like the single and the overproduced version op Please. The version on the album was heartbreakingly beautiful. The one they finished was mwauh. Ok. Pop contained a couple of hauntingly beautiful song which I'm glad that U2 didn't have time to finish and f*** up.

The came all that u can leave behind I been never been able to listen to that album in one go since it bores the living sh** out of me. I think atomic bomb was even worse. it had absolutely no soul or fire what so ever Just A couple of very overproduced boring songs.
 with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.

And Now about the video's they've been making in the last ten years. Please have balls to stay the f*** out of your own video's
 it's tiring to see the bad playing in each damn video.

I showed All I want is you to my girlfriend and she hates u2 but that video made her cry.
Make more art and deepfelt story telling Like electrical storm, video's instead of look here we are in a panaorma shot look here we are in close up. it gets boring Bono to see you in every goddamn shot. Just let the lyrics tell a f****** beautifl story.

Magnificent should've been the first video and track and a f****** great one since it lends it for it. But I bet we're going to get to see U2 in every goddamn shot playing the song Bono with his mouth wide open.

Damn I'm so glad that Depeche mode is at least trying it.


Good man - a well balanced argument. I think you're right, Zooropa was great.

Interesting too that a lot of people don't mention Electrical Storm. I think it's a fantastic song. But strangely, it was recorded during one of their dull periods. Sometimes U2 seem to record their best music when they're not trying so hard.

Magnificent is an equally great song but some of NLOTH makes me want to eat my own ears.

Let's hope the shows are good. Still love that new DM single...
I've been listening to a downloaded version of Sounds of the Universe can't wait to get it on vinyl. yeah I know it illegal but Don't worry I'll always buy a hardcopy, but damn this album is good. beats No line. it used the be the other way around remember.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 03, 2009, 05:38:29 AM
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No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.



This is just nonsense.




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with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.



U2 have never delivered  a "totally out there" album. What are you talking about?

By the way, I "understood" and liked all U2 albums at first listen, except ATYCLB and HTDAAB.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 05:43:35 AM
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No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.



This is just nonsense.




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with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.



U2 have never delivered  a "totally out there" album. What are you talking about?

By the way, I "understood" and liked all U2 albums at first listen, except ATYCLB and HTDAAB.

Johnny, don't worry, you get this attitude all over the forum. Dare you critisize at your peril!

I agree ATYCLB and HTDAAB weren't interesting records and as far as being 'out there' or 'sonically challenging' or 'cutting edge' are concerned, U2 have never been that.

The really interesting and cutting edge music comes from much smaller, left field bands.

Which isn't to say U2 haven't made some truly great music because they have.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 03, 2009, 05:54:32 AM
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No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.



This is just nonsense.




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with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.



U2 have never delivered  a "totally out there" album. What are you talking about?

By the way, I "understood" and liked all U2 albums at first listen, except ATYCLB and HTDAAB.

Johnny, don't worry, you get this attitude all over the forum. Dare you critisize at your peril!

I agree ATYCLB and HTDAAB weren't interesting records and as far as being 'out there' or 'sonically challenging' or 'cutting edge' are concerned, U2 have never been that.

The really interesting and cutting edge music comes from much smaller, left field bands.

Which isn't to say U2 haven't made some truly great music because they have.
I know Jazz and I don't give a damn. I love U2 for what they did. But I frustrating to see that you know that they can do so much better but they simply won't because the have this POP trauma. If Depeche Mode made a bad record I  would be saying the same stuff about them. Well actually Exciter wasn't that exciting to be honest.

I love both bands But even to I love something it doesn't mean that they are above criticism.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 06:03:48 AM
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No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.



This is just nonsense.




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with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.



U2 have never delivered  a "totally out there" album. What are you talking about?

By the way, I "understood" and liked all U2 albums at first listen, except ATYCLB and HTDAAB.

Johnny, don't worry, you get this attitude all over the forum. Dare you critisize at your peril!

I agree ATYCLB and HTDAAB weren't interesting records and as far as being 'out there' or 'sonically challenging' or 'cutting edge' are concerned, U2 have never been that.

The really interesting and cutting edge music comes from much smaller, left field bands.

Which isn't to say U2 haven't made some truly great music because they have.
I know Jazz and I don't give a damn. I love U2 for what they did. But I frustrating to see that you know that they can do so much better but they simply won't because the have this POP trauma. If Depeche Mode made a bad record I  would be saying the same stuff about them. Well actually Exciter wasn't that exciting to be honest.

I love both bands But even to I love something it doesn't mean that they are above criticism.

Yes - they did have it and maybe they will have it again but at the moment they're a bit lost. I think it's a mixture of what you call 'POP' trauma and being obsessed about making tons of money and selling out massive tours.

Who gives a toss - just make great records like you used to and all else will follow...
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 03, 2009, 06:05:25 AM
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I love U2 for what they did. But I frustrating to see that you know that they can do so much better but they simply won't because the have this POP trauma. If Depeche Mode made a bad record I  would be saying the same stuff about them. Well actually Exciter wasn't that exciting to be honest.

I love both bands But even to I love something it doesn't mean that they are above criticism.


But who said U2 are beyond criticism? Not me. About the "Pop trauma", maybe they have had that kind of problem in the 2000's, but with NLOTH they're already shaking the disease. And even better things will come in the future. Just don't expect them to deliver an avantgarde album, because that's not what U2 are about. And neither are Depeche Mode (a good band, by the way).
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: brendan,belfast on April 03, 2009, 06:28:23 AM
I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 06:39:41 AM
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I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.

I'm defending him - I would suggest he's more 'a rock of sanity in a sea of sh*t' - I'm not 100% about the Mode but he's talking a lot of sense...
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 03, 2009, 07:51:29 AM
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No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.



This is just nonsense.




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with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.



U2 have never delivered  a "totally out there" album. What are you talking about?

By the way, I "understood" and liked all U2 albums at first listen, except ATYCLB and HTDAAB.

Johnny, don't worry, you get this attitude all over the forum. Dare you critisize at your peril!

I agree ATYCLB and HTDAAB weren't interesting records and as far as being 'out there' or 'sonically challenging' or 'cutting edge' are concerned, U2 have never been that.

The really interesting and cutting edge music comes from much smaller, left field bands.

Which isn't to say U2 haven't made some truly great music because they have.
I know Jazz and I don't give a damn. I love U2 for what they did. But I frustrating to see that you know that they can do so much better but they simply won't because the have this POP trauma. If Depeche Mode made a bad record I  would be saying the same stuff about them. Well actually Exciter wasn't that exciting to be honest.

I love both bands But even to I love something it doesn't mean that they are above criticism.

Let's be really honest, Exciter was a near HORRIBLE album. A lot of the blame should be placed on the production (Producer Mark Bell, also produced Bjork) which smoothed out and polished the DM sound and washed it on spin cycle. It was flat.

I disagree that ATYCLB & HTDAAB are weak albums. Commercially and artistically they were both great successes. While I also like and value a more experimental approach in U2's music (AB, Zoo, POP), The ATYCLB and HTDAAB albums are more about craft and songwriting, and more emphasis on what the 4 members contribute to the whole. They were the right albums for the time they were made. Maybe they were a bit 'safe' sure bets but I think it's hard to deny that many of the songs are high quality.

While I think the late '80's & '90's were a more exciting time to be a U2 fan, I think the direction chosen on ATYCLB and HTDAAB was a necessary one. Let me say that I like POP alot, but Pop had frayed their fanbase and experimenting into more dissonant territory would not have been well received. A lot of people were very confused about what and who U2 were during and after POP and POPMART. U2 were pretty much beyond recognition. And, dance music: techno, D&B, Jungle, electronica in general were not really being embraced by America as the country went into a dormant wave of inward, isolated conservatism for 8 years. I only go into this because U2 care about it. They obviously understood what was happening in the world and what they would have to do in order to regain and maintain a relationship with a majority of their fans.

Now, even as Bono has remarked 'The world is awake again'. Change is in the air and hopefully for the better. Though uncertain, it seems like it's okay for the world's biggest band to experiment a bit once again. NLOTH is a step into that direction. I really like this album. It could be more experimental for my tastes, but many of the songs are beautifully done and most of all..it really works as a cohesive album. Something that HTDAAB was lacking.

All this said, I also think that DM's record is the best record they've made since the departure of Alan Wilder, who was instrumental in defining the DM sound and direction along with Martin Gore. I am looking forward to it's release and will buy the CD. It will take a while to assess how good it is. I've heard 3 versions of the song "Come Back" and the studio version on youtube is the most emotional and in my opinion would have been the bravest choice. It also would have provided a short break from the many layers of vintage synthesizers that are featured on the rest of the album. Funny how The Beatles are such an influence on a Depeche Mode album. I didn't see that coming! All Across The Universe!

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO FOR COMEBACK, YOU'VE GOT TO CHECK IT OUT! ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!
HERE IT IS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pnq7dkyg0
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 03, 2009, 08:11:24 AM
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Let's be really honest, Exciter was a near HORRIBLE album. A lot of the blame should be placed on the production (Producer Mark Bell, also produced Bjork) which smoothed out and polished the DM sound and washed it on spin cycle. It was flat.


Mark Bell dis a remarkable job for Bjork, though. "Homogenic" is a great album song-wise, but the masterful production surely helps it. And "Advance" by his band LFO remains one of the hidden gems of ambient techno.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 03, 2009, 08:20:48 AM
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Let's be really honest, Exciter was a near HORRIBLE album. A lot of the blame should be placed on the production (Producer Mark Bell, also produced Bjork) which smoothed out and polished the DM sound and washed it on spin cycle. It was flat.


Mark Bell dis a remarkable job for Bjork, though. "Homogenic" is a great album song-wise, but the masterful production surely helps it. And "Advance" by his band LFO remains one of the hidden gems of ambient techno.

I agree on that. Homogenic is one of my favorite Bjork albums. Unfortunately, he was just 'Wrong' for Depeche Mode.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: andyt on April 03, 2009, 08:35:36 AM

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO FOR COMEBACK, YOU'VE GOT TO CHECK IT OUT! ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!
HERE IT IS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pnq7dkyg0

Yeah, great tune - maybe they're getting back to the brilliance of Violator and Songs of Faith.

I'll take this over Unknown bloody Caller any time
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: jimyjazz on April 03, 2009, 10:18:26 AM
the new DM is awesome - sounds like they`ve been listening to a lot experimental electronic music (not surprising) and gahan sounds better than every record.  Slays nloth, which i have grown tired of quicker than any u2 record.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 03, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Not in my opinion. NLOTH is fantastic. For me, it helps to actively listen to this album rather than passively listen to it. That said, I am so far very happy with DM's new album. Corrupt is so devilishly good. Have you seen the youtube video of them playing it live in the studio. Very cool.

These 2 bands are very different overall. I don't think it's fair to either band that we compare them or face them off like street gangs. I'm excited they both put out such great albums this year!
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 03, 2009, 03:25:14 PM
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How come I like the new mode far more better than the latest U2? When No line came out I liked some songs on it but most were the same old.  But now listening to the new Depeche Mode I have to say the delivered more than U2.
Sounds of Universe beats U2's No line easily.

Jezebel was a sh** song. But man I bloody love "Come Back" by far best song on the album. And their best song in years. It's so "shoegazey" spaces me out completely. Good atmosphere.

Still comparing albums I would give U2's new one the Edge.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 03, 2009, 03:52:34 PM
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Shake the disease is their best ....hands down.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: ElJayVee on April 03, 2009, 04:19:59 PM
In response to the title of this thread:

Um, no.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 03, 2009, 05:37:28 PM
I still like NLOTH more, but DM's new album is gosh darn good.  :P
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: hurricane hugo on April 03, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
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When I first played No line I thought it was a great comeback but after numerous listening it kinda doesn't hold up. (Magnifecent is the bets track on the Album the rest is kinda well not up there) I'm back on Zooropa which I still think is U2's most daring album. I love the Cybersonic sound of it. When Achtung came out I was a long time U2 fan. But I thought that album really kick ass in a time when U2 needed to kick ass. But although Achtung is a better made album it's Zooropa that really stayed with me. It fully understood and embraced the dawn of new technology and it's so good it withstood the test of time. which is really an achievement since No line already sounds dated and they're not even on tour yet.

For me after Zooropa and some songs on POP it went downhill with U2. Yeah To be honest I really liked some songs on POP. Liked the sound of it. Didn't know it wasn't finished when it came out. I didn't like the single and the overproduced version op Please. The version on the album was heartbreakingly beautiful. The one they finished was mwauh. Ok. Pop contained a couple of hauntingly beautiful song which I'm glad that U2 didn't have time to finish and f*** up.

The came all that u can leave behind I been never been able to listen to that album in one go since it bores the living sh** out of me. I think atomic bomb was even worse. it had absolutely no soul or fire what so ever Just A couple of very overproduced boring songs.
 with no line I hoped that they would grow they're balls back but the boys just had a margarita to many and are afraid  they will never grow their balls back and deliver and totally out there album. They waaaay to comfortable in their comfort zone. which is boring The best U2 albums where the ones nobody understood or liked at first listings but now they are juts too busy with making music everybody likes and swallows.

And Now about the video's they've been making in the last ten years. Please have balls to stay the f*** out of your own video's
 it's tiring to see the bad playing in each damn video.

I showed All I want is you to my girlfriend and she hates u2 but that video made her cry.
Make more art and deepfelt story telling Like electrical storm, video's instead of look here we are in a panaorma shot look here we are in close up. it gets boring Bono to see you in every goddamn shot. Just let the lyrics tell a f****** beautifl story.

Magnificent should've been the first video and track and a f****** great one since it lends it for it. But I bet we're going to get to see U2 in every goddamn shot playing the song Bono with his mouth wide open.

Damn I'm so glad that Depeche mode is at least trying it.


You're awfully obsessed with other men's balls.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

#@!
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 03, 2009, 05:47:30 PM
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I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.

Nah you fail. U2 are a better band in my opinion. But Depeche Mode is no laughing matter. People keep bringing up Simple Minds vs. U2 all the time.

That's a weak argument. I'd rather go with DM vs. U2. Much better quality there.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 03, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
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I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.

Nah you fail. U2 are a better band in my opinion. But Depeche Mode is no laughing matter. People keep bringing up Simple Minds vs. U2 all the time.

That's a weak argument. I'd rather go with DM vs. U2. Much better quality there.

This is pointless, u2 is in a different league...I'm not saying for one second that they're a better band, it's for personal decision, but..u2 is so much bigger.  Depeche Mode are playing to 15,000 fans in Toronto when they come...u2 = 120,000.  Different catagories.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 03, 2009, 08:57:19 PM
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I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.

Nah you fail. U2 are a better band in my opinion. But Depeche Mode is no laughing matter. People keep bringing up Simple Minds vs. U2 all the time.

That's a weak argument. I'd rather go with DM vs. U2. Much better quality there.

This is pointless, u2 is in a different league...I'm not saying for one second that they're a better band, it's for personal decision, but..u2 is so much bigger.  Depeche Mode are playing to 15,000 fans in Toronto when they come...u2 = 120,000.  Different catagories.

They're bigger for sure.

But I recently did a quick google search and was surprised that DM sold 100 million albums worldwide. And they remain popular in Europe. NA not so much.

Yeah it is pointless to say which band is better due to it being subjective taste. But that guy dismisses Depeche Mode like they are just some cheese synth-pop 80s only band. They've evolved.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 03, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
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I can back up my assertion that the original poster is full of sh** by stating, as a stoned cold fact, that Depeche Mode are not on the same playing field as U2.

Crazy talk.

Nah you fail. U2 are a better band in my opinion. But Depeche Mode is no laughing matter. People keep bringing up Simple Minds vs. U2 all the time.

That's a weak argument. I'd rather go with DM vs. U2. Much better quality there.

This is pointless, u2 is in a different league...I'm not saying for one second that they're a better band, it's for personal decision, but..u2 is so much bigger.  Depeche Mode are playing to 15,000 fans in Toronto when they come...u2 = 120,000.  Different catagories.

They're bigger for sure.

But I recently did a quick google search and was surprised that DM sold 100 million albums worldwide. And they remain popular in Europe. NA not so much.

Yeah it is pointless to say which band is better due to it being subjective taste. But that guy dismisses Depeche Mode like they are just some cheese synth-pop 80s only band. They've evolved.


Depeche Mode, like Duran Duran, are two bands that are severely underrated.  Yeah, I didn't like Wrong, but there have been sporadic songs of theirs that I loathe ("Dead of Night"). Overall, their body of work stands up quite well.  They discovered depth and guitar with Violator and have expanded their sound quite nicely. 

U2 versus Depeche Mode?  No.  U2 still occupies a place of resonance deep within my heart and soul that can't be touched.  They have no intentions of moving out with NLOTH. Gorgeous album.  But at the same time Zooropa was my liferaft (even when Bono was "holding onto nothing"), Songs of Faith and Devotion promised me the existence of a "Higher Love".
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 04, 2009, 09:55:16 AM
I liked No line when it came out but now it kinda doesn't stick like the New Depeche Mode does. yeah  Bands like Duran Duran and Depeche Mode are very underrated.
With U2 it feels too much same old same old. I am really a huge fan of their music but it gets tiring to hear the same structure of song making over and over again. And the lyrics of aren't that great anymore. He used to have these killer opening lines that grabbed you by the throat and would let you go until the song was finished. I really loved that. Also the simplicity but directness of their songs and his lyrics got to me. Check Dirty Day, Please, Stay, In your blue room (very very underrated song by the way), one, pride, new years day, bad and the list goes on and on. Their last 2 albums are lacking that.

Bono's big mouth in advance before an albums gets released also annoys me. This time he was yelling Stuff about experimenting and blah blah. He gave a lot of people the hope that this was going to be an album that would really stretch the ability of their music So I was warming up for that. well it turned out to be not the case and we got is a kinda dull collectiong of song, who hold up better as an whole album then teh 2 albums before but it didn't show anything but U2 firmly staying in tehir comfort zone. Afraid to go all the way. And it shows. I like some of the intro's but then the over familiar  cliché U2 sounds kicks in and destroys any hope of of what the song really could've been. No line is another missed opportunity for U2 to go all the way. I'm really wandering looking at the sales how long they think they will be able to fool the crowd but mostly themselves. Maybe dwindling record sales could be the key for them to realy let their hair down and give us at least one really f****** great record. A soundtrack for this century. like like war was, like the joshua tree was. Like achtung und Zooropa was. the world really could use something like that coming from them/ Other wise they should really hang it up before they embarrass themselves even further

To be honest I find Mode more consistent. Yeah Maybe they sell less records than U2 but at least they never betrayed their music. they never sold out.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 04, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
this can be argued until the end of time. Depeche Mode did sell out. It was called "Exciter". Sound of the Universe is a great album. I love it. But it's not exactly new either. It's a mix/culmination of every period of DM's career. So, just like you're saying NLOTH is same old, Some DM fans are saying the same about SOTU. The only track that offers any progression really is Come Back, if the shoegaze-y version is the official album version. All that aside, it's a great enjoyable album. NLOTH is far superior though IMHO.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 04, 2009, 03:55:04 PM
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I liked No line when it came out but now it kinda doesn't stick like the New Depeche Mode does. yeah  Bands like Duran Duran and Depeche Mode are very underrated.
With U2 it feels too much same old same old. I am really a huge fan of their music but it gets tiring to hear the same structure of song making over and over again. And the lyrics of aren't that great anymore. He used to have these killer opening lines that grabbed you by the throat and would let you go until the song was finished. I really loved that. Also the simplicity but directness of their songs and his lyrics got to me. Check Dirty Day, Please, Stay, In your blue room (very very underrated song by the way), one, pride, new years day, bad and the list goes on and on. Their last 2 albums are lacking that.

Bono's big mouth in advance before an albums gets released also annoys me. This time he was yelling Stuff about experimenting and blah blah. He gave a lot of people the hope that this was going to be an album that would really stretch the ability of their music So I was warming up for that. well it turned out to be not the case and we got is a kinda dull collectiong of song, who hold up better as an whole album then teh 2 albums before but it didn't show anything but U2 firmly staying in tehir comfort zone. Afraid to go all the way. And it shows. I like some of the intro's but then the over familiar  cliché U2 sounds kicks in and destroys any hope of of what the song really could've been. No line is another missed opportunity for U2 to go all the way. I'm really wandering looking at the sales how long they think they will be able to fool the crowd but mostly themselves. Maybe dwindling record sales could be the key for them to realy let their hair down and give us at least one really f****** great record. A soundtrack for this century. like like war was, like the joshua tree was. Like achtung und Zooropa was. the world really could use something like that coming from them/ Other wise they should really hang it up before they embarrass themselves even further

To be honest I find Mode more consistent. Yeah Maybe they sell less records than U2 but at least they never betrayed their music. they never sold out.

aahhhh....so funny to hear people say 'sold out' when in context, they have no idea what that means....and....who has the definition of selling out?  What does selling out mean...taking corporate sponsorship? selling your music for ads?  Give me a break, this is a tired argument.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 04, 2009, 04:18:16 PM
yeah I agree. just under the 90's definition of 'selling out' when that was the big topic...'Exciter' would fit under that because it was sold and marketed at Violator version 2.0. And it wasn't...it sucked.

But the term 'selling out' is stooopid.  :P I didn't bring it up either! see the guy above me. well I guess the guy above you that's above me. oh....whatever.  ;)
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: jick on April 05, 2009, 01:58:04 AM
Depeche Mode have been irrelevant for over a decade now.  They aren't even a blip in the radar of the music industry.  This is really what happens when bands abuse substances during their heyday.  It is a good thing U2, save for one member, have been generally into clean living.  We are blessed to have a band like U2.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: hawthorn mccadden on April 05, 2009, 03:26:06 AM
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Depeche Mode have been irrelevant for over a decade now.  They aren't even a blip in the radar of the music industry.  This is really what happens when bands abuse substances during their heyday.  It is a good thing U2, save for one member, have been generally into clean living.  We are blessed to have a band like U2.

Cheers,

J


Woah! Jick, go easy on Depeche.

Their ace in the hole, Alan Wilder, left after "Songs of Faith and Devotion". He was like Depeche Mode's equivalent of Edge. A brilliant musician...even classically trained. Check out the album "Violator"...that is a hard album to not appreciate. I will even say it is damn catchy...thanks largely to Alan.

And Depeche have never sounded the same without Alan. He left one album after Violator.

And about the drug abuse: I believe Gahan's return to "clean living" needs to acknowledged here. He has worked hard, straightened out, and that should always be applauded. And he still has one hell of a voice.

(And if you want to meet some pretty girls, go to a Depeche Mode concert ;))

Thas' all.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 05, 2009, 06:51:50 AM
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this can be argued until the end of time. Depeche Mode did sell out. It was called "Exciter". Sound of the Universe is a great album. I love it. But it's not exactly new either. It's a mix/culmination of every period of DM's career. So, just like you're saying NLOTH is same old, Some DM fans are saying the same about SOTU. The only track that offers any progression really is Come Back, if the shoegaze-y version is the official album version. All that aside, it's a great enjoyable album. NLOTH is far superior though IMHO.
Well then we have all the time in the world.
Anyway U2 sold out with all that you can leave behind. POP didn't start their creative decline. it was all that you can leave behind which was the nail in their coffin. yeah it sold a couple of million units but boy was it a boringly safe album. Even the lyrics toned down. Then came the "bomb" which was a bomb and not in the nicest sense of the word.

And now the decline is apparent creativly but also in the chartsales. 76% delcine after just one week release sounds pretty bad to me.

They really should've done an album that speaks of the times we live in. WAR did that perfectly with the No Future consensus of those days. Pride came at the moment we really needed it and so. And the joshua spoke of so many beautiful things like love and loss.

Achtung baby and Zooropa totaly en perfectly tapped in to the cyberpunk era.

No line tapped absoluty into nothing. Yeah they tried hard and falied with lyrics like "force quit then move to trash" It means absolulty nothing.

U2 should really open their eyes and look around again to what's happeing and really feel it again
Other wise hang it up.

Yeah they sold out when they started making populistic music to pull back the people who judged them for making creative leaps. POP wasn't a failure trying hard to get the fans back by maing real commercial bland music that was failure which they never recovered from.
They sold out.

Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: jick on April 05, 2009, 07:02:47 AM
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Well then we have all the time in the world.
Anyway U2 sold out with all that you can leave behind. POP didn't start their creative decline. it was all that you can leave behind which was the nail in their coffin. yeah it sold a couple of million units but boy was it a boringly safe album. Even the lyrics toned down. Then came the "bomb" which was a bomb and not in the nicest sense of the word.

And now the decline is apparent creativly but also in the chartsales. 76% delcine after just one week release sounds pretty bad to me.

They really should've done an album that speaks of the times we live in. WAR did that perfectly with the No Future consensus of those days. Pride came at the moment we really needed it and so. And the joshua spoke of so many beautiful things like love and loss.

Achtung baby and Zooropa totaly en perfectly tapped in to the cyberpunk era.

No line tapped absoluty into nothing. Yeah they tried hard and falied with lyrics like "force quit then move to trash" It means absolulty nothing.

U2 should really open their eyes and look around again to what's happeing and really feel it again
Other wise hang it up.

Yeah they sold out when they started making populistic music to pull back the people who judged them for making creative leaps. POP wasn't a failure trying hard to get the fans back by maing real commercial bland music that was failure which they never recovered from.
They sold out.



I tend to agree with your statements about NLOTH, after giving it a few listens.  Sure I was all hot for it when it came out but that may have just been the over-anticipation.

I don't agree with your statements about ATYCLB and HTDAAB though.  That was just U2 finding themselves and being four musicians in one room again.

This album though shows they are grasping for straws of new ideas.  The desperation is clear when they needed Eno and Lanois to even help them with the songwriting process and contributing lyrics.

But at the bottom of it all, these albums discussed here are still leagues above anything Depeche Mode has done or can do in the last 10 years or so.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 05, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
Maybe desperation is what they need to get back on track. desperation and getting very very hungry again. And not being afraid of critisism. And not being afraid to step out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 05, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
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this can be argued until the end of time. Depeche Mode did sell out. It was called "Exciter". Sound of the Universe is a great album. I love it. But it's not exactly new either. It's a mix/culmination of every period of DM's career. So, just like you're saying NLOTH is same old, Some DM fans are saying the same about SOTU. The only track that offers any progression really is Come Back, if the shoegaze-y version is the official album version. All that aside, it's a great enjoyable album. NLOTH is far superior though IMHO.
Well then we have all the time in the world.
Anyway U2 sold out with all that you can leave behind. POP didn't start their creative decline. it was all that you can leave behind which was the nail in their coffin. yeah it sold a couple of million units but boy was it a boringly safe album. Even the lyrics toned down. Then came the "bomb" which was a bomb and not in the nicest sense of the word.

And now the decline is apparent creativly but also in the chartsales. 76% delcine after just one week release sounds pretty bad to me.

They really should've done an album that speaks of the times we live in. WAR did that perfectly with the No Future consensus of those days. Pride came at the moment we really needed it and so. And the joshua spoke of so many beautiful things like love and loss.

Achtung baby and Zooropa totaly en perfectly tapped in to the cyberpunk era.

No line tapped absoluty into nothing. Yeah they tried hard and falied with lyrics like "force quit then move to trash" It means absolulty nothing.

U2 should really open their eyes and look around again to what's happeing and really feel it again
Other wise hang it up.

Yeah they sold out when they started making populistic music to pull back the people who judged them for making creative leaps. POP wasn't a failure trying hard to get the fans back by maing real commercial bland music that was failure which they never recovered from.
They sold out.



i guess you take 'force quit & move to trash' at face value then. It means nothing else to you? It means a lot more to me than computer commands. Everyone's entitled to an opinion I guess. IMO, U2 are more in touch with the world than perhaps any other artist right now. They walk the walk and they generally put their money where their mouths are. And what big mouths!  :D I absolutely love NLOTH! It keeps sounding better and better!
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 05, 2009, 01:02:07 PM
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Depeche Mode have been irrelevant for over a decade now.  They aren't even a blip in the radar of the music industry.  This is really what happens when bands abuse substances during their heyday.  It is a good thing U2, save for one member, have been generally into clean living.  We are blessed to have a band like U2.

Cheers,

J


Woah! Jick, go easy on Depeche.

Their ace in the hole, Alan Wilder, left after "Songs of Faith and Devotion". He was like Depeche Mode's equivalent of Edge. A brilliant musician...even classically trained. Check out the album "Violator"...that is a hard album to not appreciate. I will even say it is damn catchy...thanks largely to Alan.

And Depeche have never sounded the same without Alan. He left one album after Violator.

And about the drug abuse: I believe Gahan's return to "clean living" needs to acknowledged here. He has worked hard, straightened out, and that should always be applauded. And he still has one hell of a voice.

(And if you want to meet some pretty girls, go to a Depeche Mode concert ;))

Thas' all.

Lol, DM are still very big. I would not call them a blip. What is all this 'relevant' talk anyway? This argument of 'relevancy ' will turn out to be as pointless as saying that an artist has 'sold out'. DM make great music that is both edgy, dark, and spiritual. Great sounds and a great singer. And, while ignored by radio in the U.S. at least, they still move a ton of albums and concert tickets. Their contributions to electronic popular music are widely respected, and perhaps should be even more respected.

You're right about the loss of Alan Wilder though. While Martin Gore controlled the brilliant song writing, it was Alan who mainly controlled their soundscapes. They've been trying to get the sound back ever since. The new album seems to pretty much nail it. Not an easy task as it's taken them well over a decade to get back to their essence.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 05, 2009, 02:25:39 PM
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this can be argued until the end of time. Depeche Mode did sell out. It was called "Exciter". Sound of the Universe is a great album. I love it. But it's not exactly new either. It's a mix/culmination of every period of DM's career. So, just like you're saying NLOTH is same old, Some DM fans are saying the same about SOTU. The only track that offers any progression really is Come Back, if the shoegaze-y version is the official album version. All that aside, it's a great enjoyable album. NLOTH is far superior though IMHO.
Well then we have all the time in the world.
Anyway U2 sold out with all that you can leave behind. POP didn't start their creative decline. it was all that you can leave behind which was the nail in their coffin. yeah it sold a couple of million units but boy was it a boringly safe album. Even the lyrics toned down. Then came the "bomb" which was a bomb and not in the nicest sense of the word.

And now the decline is apparent creativly but also in the chartsales. 76% delcine after just one week release sounds pretty bad to me.

They really should've done an album that speaks of the times we live in. WAR did that perfectly with the No Future consensus of those days. Pride came at the moment we really needed it and so. And the joshua spoke of so many beautiful things like love and loss.

Achtung baby and Zooropa totaly en perfectly tapped in to the cyberpunk era.

No line tapped absoluty into nothing. Yeah they tried hard and falied with lyrics like "force quit then move to trash" It means absolulty nothing.

U2 should really open their eyes and look around again to what's happeing and really feel it again
Other wise hang it up.

Yeah they sold out when they started making populistic music to pull back the people who judged them for making creative leaps. POP wasn't a failure trying hard to get the fans back by maing real commercial bland music that was failure which they never recovered from.
They sold out.



i guess you take 'force quit & move to trash' at face value then. It means nothing else to you? It means a lot more to me than computer commands. Everyone's entitled to an opinion I guess. IMO, U2 are more in touch with the world than perhaps any other artist right now. They walk the walk and they generally put their money where their mouths are. And what big mouths!  :D I absolutely love NLOTH! It keeps sounding better and better!
Let's see if you're still loving it 15 years from now. A lot of songs from the last 2 albums don't seem to get a lot of airplay here in holland. We get a lot of where the streets have no name and Pride but the stuff they did the last 17 you don't hear that much. Ok One gets played something but not as much as it used to be.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Yawn
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 05, 2009, 02:50:23 PM
Whaaaaaaaat? Depeche Mode irrelevant for over a decade? Ultra was such a good album. One of the best of the 90s IMO (along with others like Blur, OK Computer, Achtung etc.).
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: joegtheog on April 05, 2009, 02:52:28 PM
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Whaaaaaaaat? Depeche Mode irrelevant for over a decade? Ultra was such a good album. One of the best of the 90s IMO (along with others like Blur, OK Computer, Achtung etc.).

Ultra came out in 1997.  Thats over a decade ago.  LOL

Seriously,  I like Ultra a lot but "The Bottom Line" is one of the worst songs they have ever done.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: TheWaqman on April 05, 2009, 03:22:09 PM
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Whaaaaaaaat? Depeche Mode irrelevant for over a decade? Ultra was such a good album. One of the best of the 90s IMO (along with others like Blur, OK Computer, Achtung etc.).

Ultra came out in 1997.  Thats over a decade ago.  LOL

Seriously,  I like Ultra a lot but "The Bottom Line" is one of the worst songs they have ever done.

Yeah I guess that makes sense then.

But then again, U2 hasn't been irrelevant for over a decade. But their last two albums (before No Line) have been euck.

And yeah I agree with The Bottom Line being bad.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 05, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
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this can be argued until the end of time. Depeche Mode did sell out. It was called "Exciter". Sound of the Universe is a great album. I love it. But it's not exactly new either. It's a mix/culmination of every period of DM's career. So, just like you're saying NLOTH is same old, Some DM fans are saying the same about SOTU. The only track that offers any progression really is Come Back, if the shoegaze-y version is the official album version. All that aside, it's a great enjoyable album. NLOTH is far superior though IMHO.
Well then we have all the time in the world.
Anyway U2 sold out with all that you can leave behind. POP didn't start their creative decline. it was all that you can leave behind which was the nail in their coffin. yeah it sold a couple of million units but boy was it a boringly safe album. Even the lyrics toned down. Then came the "bomb" which was a bomb and not in the nicest sense of the word.

And now the decline is apparent creativly but also in the chartsales. 76% delcine after just one week release sounds pretty bad to me.

They really should've done an album that speaks of the times we live in. WAR did that perfectly with the No Future consensus of those days. Pride came at the moment we really needed it and so. And the joshua spoke of so many beautiful things like love and loss.

Achtung baby and Zooropa totaly en perfectly tapped in to the cyberpunk era.

No line tapped absoluty into nothing. Yeah they tried hard and falied with lyrics like "force quit then move to trash" It means absolulty nothing.

U2 should really open their eyes and look around again to what's happeing and really feel it again
Other wise hang it up.

Yeah they sold out when they started making populistic music to pull back the people who judged them for making creative leaps. POP wasn't a failure trying hard to get the fans back by maing real commercial bland music that was failure which they never recovered from.
They sold out.



i guess you take 'force quit & move to trash' at face value then. It means nothing else to you? It means a lot more to me than computer commands. Everyone's entitled to an opinion I guess. IMO, U2 are more in touch with the world than perhaps any other artist right now. They walk the walk and they generally put their money where their mouths are. And what big mouths!  :D I absolutely love NLOTH! It keeps sounding better and better!
Let's see if you're still loving it 15 years from now. A lot of songs from the last 2 albums don't seem to get a lot of airplay here in holland. We get a lot of where the streets have no name and Pride but the stuff they did the last 17 you don't hear that much. Ok One gets played something but not as much as it used to be.

that's because most radio sucks. a lot of people don't listen to music anymore and when they do they want the stuff they heard way back before they developed man boobs or when they lost their virginity.

I'll save you 15 years. Magnificent, Moment of Surrender, Unknown Caller, Breathe, and White as Snow will certainly stand the test of time. Will they be played on radio? I don't know. But I don't look to radio to tell me what good music is. Depeche Mode don't get played on radio. Least not in the U.S. that much. If they did it would probably be "Enjoy the Silence" or "Personal Jesus". And, I'm sure you'd agree that their music holds up 15+ years later.
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: hurricane hugo on April 05, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
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I liked No line when it came out but now it kinda doesn't stick like the New Depeche Mode does. yeah  Bands like Duran Duran and Depeche Mode are very underrated.
With U2 it feels too much same old same old. I am really a huge fan of their music but it gets tiring to hear the same structure of song making over and over again. And the lyrics of aren't that great anymore. He used to have these killer opening lines that grabbed you by the throat and would let you go until the song was finished. I really loved that. Also the simplicity but directness of their songs and his lyrics got to me. Check Dirty Day, Please, Stay, In your blue room (very very underrated song by the way), one, pride, new years day, bad and the list goes on and on. Their last 2 albums are lacking that.

Bono's big mouth in advance before an albums gets released also annoys me. This time he was yelling Stuff about experimenting and blah blah. He gave a lot of people the hope that this was going to be an album that would really stretch the ability of their music So I was warming up for that. well it turned out to be not the case and we got is a kinda dull collectiong of song, who hold up better as an whole album then teh 2 albums before but it didn't show anything but U2 firmly staying in tehir comfort zone. Afraid to go all the way. And it shows. I like some of the intro's but then the over familiar  cliché U2 sounds kicks in and destroys any hope of of what the song really could've been. No line is another missed opportunity for U2 to go all the way. I'm really wandering looking at the sales how long they think they will be able to fool the crowd but mostly themselves. Maybe dwindling record sales could be the key for them to realy let their hair down and give us at least one really f****** great record. A soundtrack for this century. like like war was, like the joshua tree was. Like achtung und Zooropa was. the world really could use something like that coming from them/ Other wise they should really hang it up before they embarrass themselves even further

To be honest I find Mode more consistent. Yeah Maybe they sell less records than U2 but at least they never betrayed their music. they never sold out.

"You sell out the moment you sign a recording contract. After that, the best you can do is protect your art." - Peter Garrett, Midnight Oil

#@!
Title: Re: The New Depeche Mode far better than No line on the Horizon
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 05, 2009, 11:41:41 PM
good one!