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Title: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on December 08, 2008, 09:02:14 PM
Which of U2s two 90's tours do you think was better, in term of excitement, presentation and setlists?

Vote now.  :)
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: mattyk on December 09, 2008, 01:16:15 AM
I'm sitting on the fence for this one. I think ZooTV has the edge for setlists - opening with seven or eight songs in a row from the new album is ballsy and inspired - although the Pop songs kicked ar*e live, and Please-Streets was phenomenal. ZooTV also has the fact that it was new, very unexpected and totally messed with people's expectations. Popmart on the other hand was perhaps even more ballsy, and the design was more coherent, more colourful, more in-your-face, more just-about-everything. Yes, it took a while to get firing, but when it was on song, it was phenomenal. Also... that screen  :o

So yeah, sitting on the fence. Glad that each of them existed and that we have DVDs of both. On that note: IMHO, Popmart is the better show to watch, ZooTV is the better show to listen to.
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Post by: Northern Star on December 09, 2008, 03:19:43 AM
For me Zoo TV wins by a mile.  It was groundbreaking, they had done nothing like it before, and not what people had expected from U2, that was brave of them.  Also they had the rich vein of Achtung Baby songs to add to their setlist.  Popmart was ok, but for me I'd had enough of the "big" shows by then and Pop was not such a brilliant source of new songs to perform.  I was glad when they scaled everything back again with the Elevation Tour.
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: spanner on December 09, 2008, 04:06:23 AM
oh this is a mismatch zoo v wins hands down.the band took live shows to a whole new level with zootv tour .the technology the setlists.i believe alot of bands including the stones started using a b-stage not long ater the boys started using one on this tour,this tour had everything for me it was the band reinventing themselves in a whole new way that we never expected and the songs were damn good too :).popmart for me was just ill prepared,starting a tour without the album being released was a mistake and they weren't ready and the early part of the tour you could tell that.i saw popmart at leeds in 97 and apart from the weather and cast i don't remmeber a whole lot about that show whereas birmingham nec 92 just stands out for so many reasons.
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Post by: DGordon1 on December 09, 2008, 04:40:55 AM
I'd say ZooTV. It had the whole Fly/MacPhisto/ Mirrorball Man element to it and it was all so unexpected. Also Bono's vocals were far better and I think there are more classic performances on that tour than Popmart. Nevertheless, Popmart was also really cool but won't be remembered in the same way ZooTV was.
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Post by: TheFly on December 09, 2008, 06:42:08 AM
I think everything about ZooTV worked better - Bono's vocals, the way they performed the songs, the set-lists - everything.
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on December 09, 2008, 07:16:18 AM
My vote is for ZooTV - quite the gutsy move.  I remember being absolutely blown away by the first 7 songs, all back to back in your face AB.  I caught the first leg of that tour and even that was a nonstop visual assault that changed everything about a concert (video monitors, B stage, etc.).  Even the band was radically reinvented, with the earnestness of the JT tour replaced by the irony and sarcasm of the fly and mirrorball man (MacPhisto hadn't yet made his appearance).  Even the quiet moments like One, Angel of Harlem and Satellite of Love were amazing, especially in contrast to the audiovisual assault we had just endured.

Does a band have to radically reinvent themselves every tour - NO, but that was not the question.  Was PopMart amazing - clearly, but it's hard to top ZooTV.
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Post by: StrongGirl on December 09, 2008, 11:47:50 AM
Zoo TV!  I think this one is going to crush Pop (but you never know).
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Post by: mariamontreal on December 09, 2008, 12:31:55 PM
ZOO TV - ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: Boom Cha! on December 09, 2008, 12:40:37 PM
Well, since I never saw either in person I'll go by the two DVD's that I own.

I prefer Popmart....very shiny.... :o

(hhmmm....I seem to be the only one, so far, to vote for Popmart)
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: spanner on December 09, 2008, 01:34:48 PM
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Well, since I never saw either in person I'll go by the two DVD's that I own.

I prefer Popmart....very shiny.... :o

(hhmmm....I seem to be the only one, so far, to vote for Popmart)
well if your judging just by the dvd's, popmart is stronger.the sydney zooroopa/zoomarang live dvd was taken 18 months after the zoo tv tour actually started and included another album in it.it would have been nice for u2 to have released something from the zootv shows in 92 .those were great shows and the band were fresh, rather than the sydney show which was at the end of a hard two years slog around the world in 93
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Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on December 09, 2008, 02:17:04 PM
Two words:

The Fly!  8)
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Post by: singnomore on December 09, 2008, 02:46:52 PM
It has to be Zoo TV - ground breaking and jaw droppingly watchable - what did Larry say about coming to watch TV at a concert. The total experience in my humble opinion!!
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Post by: TheFlyingLemon on December 09, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
Maybe I shoulda thought twice before making this thread.  :D
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: onetreehill on December 09, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
Hummm this is a tough one.  I saw Pop and it was AMAZING, but my brother in-law said ZOO TV blew him away. I think they are similar,(as far as the scale) but very different.  I love the music from both albums.  The only thing I felt I missed out on with the pop tour was missing MacPhisto.

The thing U2 does that continues to amaze me is they can have a HUGE stage and you still feel like you are in a small venue and they are singing to you.  They are masters at this.
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on December 09, 2008, 11:13:49 PM
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Hummm this is a tough one.  I saw Pop and it was AMAZING, but my brother in-law said ZOO TV blew him away. I think they are similar,(as far as the scale) but very different.  I love the music from both albums.  The only thing I felt I missed out on with the pop tour was missing MacPhisto.

The thing U2 does that continues to amaze me is they can have a HUGE stage and you still feel like you are in a small venue and they are singing to you.  They are masters at this.

It's a different atmosphere... Absolutely watch ZooTV, too!  ;D
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: Aburrow on December 10, 2008, 05:56:40 PM
I'm going to buck the trend here.

POPMART.

Epic. Passionate. Beautiful. Funkier. Lemon-ier. Discotheque-ier. Crazy Bono. Cowboy Edge (That's MR. The Edge). And one song: Please.

(That said ... Dirty Day, played live during Zoo TV, kicks major butt.)
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Post by: Boom Cha! on December 10, 2008, 06:03:41 PM
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I'm going to buck the trend here.

POPMART.

Epic. Passionate. Beautiful. Funkier. Lemon-ier. Discotheque-ier. Crazy Bono. Cowboy Edge (That's MR. The Edge). And one song: Please.

(That said ... Dirty Day, played live during Zoo TV, kicks major butt.)

Hazzah! Together you and I can spread the good of Popmart and.....ehh...what the hell am I talking about? I'm just gonna stop.
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Post by: MEMORY_MAN on December 24, 2008, 02:01:42 PM
I saw both tours and ZooTv blew Popmart away for me.  Although I did enjoy both.
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Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 09, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
I missed PopMart due to work commitments  :'( one of my biggest regrets in life!
Managed 13 ZooTV shows (3 indoor, the rest outdoor) and preferred the intamacy of the indoor shows
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Post by: Nielsen on January 10, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
ZooTV pwns PopMart  ;D
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Post by: TheFlyingLemon on January 11, 2009, 04:32:57 PM
Well that solves verything, I may declare ZOOTV better than PopMart, no matter how many lemons and cowboy hats PopMart had.  :P
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 11, 2009, 08:27:57 PM
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Well that solves verything, I may declare ZOOTV better than PopMart, no matter how many lemons and cowboy hats PopMart had.  :P

Vlad - did you attend any ZooTV shows? They were just mesmerising! I so wish I had caught PopMart - just once would have been good.
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Post by: Revolver7 on January 11, 2009, 11:18:32 PM
There was nothing like Zoo TV before 1992, and there's been nothing like it since
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on January 12, 2009, 11:50:08 PM
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Well that solves verything, I may declare ZOOTV better than PopMart, no matter how many lemons and cowboy hats PopMart had.  :P

Vlad - did you attend any ZooTV shows? They were just mesmerising! I so wish I had caught PopMart - just once would have been good.

Nope, I was either far too young or not even born then.
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on January 13, 2009, 12:05:23 AM
I went with Zoo TV because first of all, I got to see both the indoor leg as well as the Outside Broadcast. The indoor one was just so very new and had this B stage halfway down the floor with this little car hanging over it. It was basically like the outside one, except that everything was just squeezed in on a smaller scale. But it was all just so new and different.
Dude, Bono's in a silver suit and cowboy hat....and it sparkles and glitters!  8)

The Outside Broadcast was absolutely the best show that I've ever been to. Public Enemy opened up, and if that wasn't outright insane and awesome itself.
U2 came out and I thought I was going to be crushed to death. It was the coolest! I actually got myself to the front barrier between Adam and center. I didn't let go for the life of me. It wasn't even like I fought my way up....we all just got pushed and you couldn't even control where you went. People were flying over the front barrier - some conscious, and some not. It was actually hard to tell between the two.
But I held on to that barrier though! We all finally got a break when the band went way down to the B stage. Which was a lot farther away than it was for the indoor Zoo TV. After this concert, I was sore for a week!  :P

Pop Mart was great, but it wasn't general admission on the field level. And even though I had 5th row seats from the front, we all pretty much just stood there in front of our seats for the show, like good little boys.
....and no blood was drawn for this show either.  :o
Title: Re: Better Tour? ZOO TV v PopMart
Post by: Ro~Jo on January 13, 2009, 09:33:58 AM
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I went with Zoo TV because first of all, I got to see both the indoor leg as well as the Outside Broadcast. The indoor one was just so very new and had this B stage halfway down the floor with this little car hanging over it. It was basically like the outside one, except that everything was just squeezed in on a smaller scale. But it was all just so new and different.
Dude, Bono's in a silver suit and cowboy hat....and it sparkles and glitters!  8)

The Outside Broadcast was absolutely the best show that I've ever been to. Public Enemy opened up, and if that wasn't outright insane and awesome itself.
U2 came out and I thought I was going to be crushed to death. It was the coolest! I actually got myself to the front barrier between Adam and center. I didn't let go for the life of me. It wasn't even like I fought my way up....we all just got pushed and you couldn't even control where you went. People were flying over the front barrier - some conscious, and some not. It was actually hard to tell between the two.
But I held on to that barrier though! We all finally got a break when the band went way down to the B stage. Which was a lot farther away than it was for the indoor Zoo TV. After this concert, I was sore for a week!  :P

Pop Mart was great, but it wasn't general admission on the field level. And even though I had 5th row seats from the front, we all pretty much just stood there in front of our seats for the show, like good little boys.
....and no blood was drawn for this show either.  :o
Dude, I got the chills just reading that.  I want to see U2 live!
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Post by: robert on January 17, 2009, 05:02:35 AM
zoo tv
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Post by: markt on January 21, 2009, 01:30:44 PM
Saw both but my vote has to go to ZooTV... 

I didn't manage to get any tickets for the '92 indoor leg in the UK, but saw two outdoor shows in '93.  The last night of ZooTV in the UK at the old Wembley stadium was an amazing night.  I have enjoyed all of the tours since but there was just something about ZooTV that made it special.

I am not sure if it was the new songs from Achtung Baby or perhaps just the whole transformation from the Joshua Tree & Lovetown tours.  Zoo Station  - what an opener!  I was really glad to see it return as the first song in the encore during the Vertigo tour.  Visually I think ZooTV worked better than PopMart, there is no doubt that the PopMart screen and lemon were impressive but I think the multi-screen setup in ZooTV worked much better.

Can't wait to see what they do on the next tour, the 360 idea sounds good.... whatever it is I am sure it will be amazing as usual.

Mark.

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Post by: spinningman on January 25, 2009, 09:43:48 PM
Having seen both, ZooTV wins by a mile.  Mainly because it was in support of a much better album.
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Post by: tcm1968 on January 25, 2009, 11:41:50 PM
ZooTV. Even though it was OVER the top was the last tour I saw where it didn't feel 100% like a production instead of a live show. Bono use to go off script all the time back in the day :(
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Post by: Achtung_Habs on January 29, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
I was too young to see Zoo TV...

But everytime I watch the DVD or videos on Youtube, I get chills

Zoo TV for me
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Post by: ConcertCato on April 13, 2009, 04:07:46 PM
My first U2 concert was POPMART and I loved it. The giant Lemon was the highlight of the stage and the setlist was good. However, ZOO-TV was so much better. I've only watched Zoo-TV DVD and Clips on youtube. I like the stage setup and the setlist was out of the park. 8)
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Post by: briscoetheque on April 13, 2009, 05:18:34 PM
Zoo TV was probably the better show but I enjoyed Popmart more.

I was older, wiser, travelled a bit...

But to watch the DVDs, ZOO TV hands down. But there in the moment... I enjoyed Popmart more.

Specifically Popmart Sydney. The rain, the lightning, the broken lemon...
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Post by: ABloodRedSky on April 13, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
*sighs* Zoo TV Sydney...the Running to Stand Still/Streets just BLEW me away.
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Post by: wrldchamps04 on April 14, 2009, 06:55:49 AM
"You haven't come all this way to watch TV now have ya?!!!"  8)FLY ALL THE WAY
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Post by: hrsan on April 14, 2009, 09:08:42 AM
I missed both.   ZooTV started in Lakeland FL and Miami FL and it sold out in seconds.  I was living in Jacksonville FL at the time.

In 1997, I moved to NYC where PopMart had already played.  From what I understand, it was raining hard during the Popmart show in Jacksonville.

I made up for it for the Elevation and Vertigo tours.  Between those 2, I have seen almost all the Actung Baby songs that they played during ZooTV.   And since I didn't like Pop, I didn't miss a thing.
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Post by: aurabender on May 26, 2009, 11:31:22 PM
Zoo TV all the way. Truly groundbreaking. You watch the DVD today and it STILL seems light years ahead of what anyone is doing as far as staging, including U2
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Post by: bostonguy on May 27, 2009, 07:28:37 AM
ZooTV...best Stadium Tour of all time 8)

The arena shows were excellent but they took it to another level with Outside Broadcast...
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Post by: LOGAN B on May 27, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Never saw either show in person only on the DVD's but I think ZooTv is a better show. I didn't know that U2 were first to have a B-stage. That's awsome!!!