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Title: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 12, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
After sitting through NLOTH, and I was surprised by how much it got me out of my seat and jumping around. For most of NLOTH I was attentively sitting with my eyes closed paying attention to the subtle sonic details that I love about this album, and occasionally singing or bobbing along. For HTDAAB, however, from the moment Vertigo exploded out of my speakers I was on my feet and strumming my guitar along furiously. I had forgotten just how good that album sounded with the volume knob turned way up. All Because Of You in particular took me by surprise. I wasn't expecting to headbang and play guitar as passionately as I did!

A Man And A Woman was still horrible though.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Stateless_Passenger on April 12, 2009, 01:12:52 AM
I want to like HTDAAB. It has it moments of greatness for sure. I do hate the album cover though...

I just feel the second half of the album trails off y'know? I wish they'd stuck in 'Mercy' or 'Are You Gonna Wait Forever?' in there towards the end. It is a much more instant record than NLOTH. It does feature some tunes than make you want to pick up the guitar & play along.

A Man & A Woman is awesome. One of the best songs they've ever done. Seriously.

Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Chas on April 12, 2009, 01:28:13 AM
I agree. I can see why A Man And A Woman gets criticism but imo it is a good song.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Nielsen on April 12, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
Even Corbijn hates his image of the band for Bomb (if it was Corbijn's picture?).
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Stateless_Passenger on April 12, 2009, 02:14:06 AM
Why did they use that image for the album cover though?

It makes no sense y'know? Some people may feel it's not important but I reckon an album cover can really change things...
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Nielsen on April 12, 2009, 02:17:00 AM
It's just the 4.....sitting there.....with sunglasses.....on a bench.....


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Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 12, 2009, 06:35:38 AM
... And Edge looked like he was sleeping after a whole day of Bono taunting him "Edge is on fire, Edge is on fire, punk rock from VENUS!!11!1!1!!11111!!!!1!" and chasing him around with a fire extinguisher in hand, this led to Edge falling asleep in the covershoot with Adam left to impress viewers with his charming "Adam-ness".
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Gravy11 on April 12, 2009, 06:44:33 AM
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After sitting through NLOTH, and I was surprised by how much it got me out of my seat and jumping around. For most of NLOTH I was attentively sitting with my eyes closed paying attention to the subtle sonic details that I love about this album, and occasionally singing or bobbing along. For HTDAAB, however, from the moment Vertigo exploded out of my speakers I was on my feet and strumming my guitar along furiously. I had forgotten just how good that album sounded with the volume knob turned way up. All Because Of You in particular took me by surprise. I wasn't expecting to headbang and play guitar as passionately as I did!

A Man And A Woman was still horrible though.

That song really gets bashed.  It has its moments.  Edge's background guitar is solid.  Yea the vocals aren't the best but the music in the chorus is good I think.  I'm really surprised at how much people bash this album on the boards.  I thought it was the closest thing to Boy they've ever produced.  Just a straight up Rock record.  That's what Lillywhite brings to the table.  With that said, the Lanois and Eno albums are my favorite (TUF, JT).
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 12, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
Reason i dislike A Man And A Woman is that it feels like a substandard Sting song, and the lyrics as a whole just feel contrived and awfully mawkish to me. That said, "I could never take a chance/of losing love to find romance" is something I try to live my life by.

One Step Closer and Original of The Species in particular were exceptional tracks in the way they resonated with me. Those two tracks felt like the core of the album. In many respects Bomb is a mirror album to Boy. Those two tracks felt like Bono was singing to his 20 year old self, his voice wearied and cracked with age but still breaking through at times to shine with joy.

I do agree that Mercy should have been on the album. It could definitely have taken the place of AMAAW, or possibly Yahweh( a song that I like but which sounds like U2 didn't get the sonic aspect of it right.)
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Ro~Jo on April 12, 2009, 10:02:59 AM
HTDAAB is a heated wading pool, while NLOTH is a vast, cold ocean.  (NorCal folks, picture Santa Cruz.)  The latter has a lot more depth and is ultimately more rewarding, but it's easier to get your feet wet with the former.  That said, I feel like HTDAAB is quite possibly U2's weakest albums while NLOTH is definitely in the top four or five.

Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: wrldchamps04 on April 12, 2009, 10:29:51 AM
I'm often surprised at how badly this album gets beaten up...not their best but jeez, does have some very high points.....the cover sucks.....
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: LaughingGas on April 12, 2009, 10:33:55 AM
I definitely enjoy the album, even A Man and a Woman, but hate the cover.  I remember the first time I saw it, I was hoping beyond hope that it was a fake, just something that a fan put together to try and make everyone believe that was the cover.  I was wrong. 
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Thunder Peel on April 12, 2009, 03:26:14 PM
I think HTDAAB is a great album and I like it because, much like War, it's one of those albums that gives me an instant burst of energy. That's what I love about U2: they have a song and album for any occasion. ;D
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: ForeverDelayed on April 12, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
HTDAAB sits somewhere in the middle for me. When I first got it I loved it and I played the hell out of it. But it lost its novelty very quickly and now I barely listen at all. It has a few great songs, a few average songs, a few substandard songs, and a few horrible songs. And I don't understand why everyone hates the cover so much. It sort of has this 1980's Qwest Records feel to it in my opinion, cheesy yet classy at the same time. It's not one of their best, but it's not horrible either. Sort of like the album itself.



As a side note, am I the only one who thinks "Love And Peace Or Else" is absolutely amazing? Reminds me of "Exit" a little. Easily the best track on the album, but I never see anyone mention it. And speaking of often mentioned songs, "Original Of The Species" blows. I skip it pretty much every time.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: ABloodRedSky on April 12, 2009, 04:21:34 PM
HTDAAB has good songs. Really only two GREAT songs, COBL and SYCMIOYO. IMO  :)

But I can see why the majority don't. It's a bit superficial, I think.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 12, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
I have a bias towards HTDAAB simply because it was the first U2 album I ever really got into. That said, it's still probably in my top few- I realise I'm one of the only ones, but I'd stick it above 'Boy', 'October', 'Zooropa', 'Rattle and Hum', 'Pop', 'All That You Can't Leave Behind', maybe 'War'... I agree that the back few songs are weak, but 'Vertigo grips you from the start, 'Miracle Drug' and 'SYCMIOYO' are powerful songs (Particularly love the guitar in MD), and COBL is one of the best songs of the 2000s...  And a few others are pretty good- 'Love and Peace' and 'One Step Closer', for instance.

I'm a fan of the album all round.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: shockdocta22 on April 12, 2009, 06:20:55 PM
The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 12, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
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The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Because it's a crappy album. Two crappy albums and you're out huh Bono. Well it's actually three now Bono and you're still here.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: shockdocta22 on April 12, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
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The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Because it's a crappy album. Two crappy albums and you're out huh Bono. Well it's actually three now Bono and you're still here.

Dude, the last 3 were good
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: birdlover on April 12, 2009, 06:53:06 PM
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The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Because it's a crappy album. Two crappy albums and you're out huh Bono. Well it's actually three now Bono and you're still here.

Dude, the last 3 were good


You tell him, Shock! I fully agree.

Birdlover
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Post by: Anthony02 on April 12, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
Hey Johnny shouldnt you be in your Depeche Mode thread? Theres a troll lurking in here.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 12, 2009, 09:09:04 PM
a really good album. U2, I think Bono has said that October was their worst cover art. But I'd give that title to HTDAAB. It's a really bad cover. Boring. And from the perspective of the photo, Larry looks like a really tiny guy. The only good thing about the cover art is it proves that a cover doesn't necessarily sell albums. ipod commercials do!
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: xtrmntr on April 12, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
With No Line, I've gone back and listened to all the other U2 albums.  I even went back and listened to October, which I hadn't listened to in over a year--with the exception of maybe Gloria or I threw a brick...  The one album that I can't go back and listen to is (stink)bomb.  I don't know what it is about the album, but I hate it.  It's awful.  Super cheesy lyrics to go along with safe, boring music.  I hated it the first time I listened to it and I still hate it to this day.  I've changed my mind on other U2 albums like War and TUF, both of which I didn't like at first, but my opinion of (stink)bomb has not changed over these years.  The only saving grace is One Step Closer. 
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 13, 2009, 03:36:41 AM
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The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Because it's a crappy album. Two crappy albums and you're out huh Bono. Well it's actually three now Bono and you're still here.

Dude, the last 3 were good
No they weren't.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 13, 2009, 03:45:52 AM
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With No Line, I've gone back and listened to all the other U2 albums.  I even went back and listened to October, which I hadn't listened to in over a year--with the exception of maybe Gloria or I threw a brick...  The one album that I can't go back and listen to is (stink)bomb.  I don't know what it is about the album, but I hate it.  It's awful.  Super cheesy lyrics to go along with safe, boring music.  I hated it the first time I listened to it and I still hate it to this day.  I've changed my mind on other U2 albums like War and TUF, both of which I didn't like at first, but my opinion of (stink)bomb has not changed over these years.  The only saving grace is One Step Closer. 
War and TUF are great albums because U2 was on the roll and stayed there for many tears to come ending with pop after what they saw as a debacle )i sure don-t) they wanted their fans back and became afraid of taking risks and that killed them resulting in abominations and abortions like atyvlb BOMB and No line. believe me songs of ascent won't be any different. Another crap album and they're still here.
As an artist myself I know that you should never make any concessions it will kill your true art and you'll be staggering on trying to get that feeling back, You can only get it back by saying screw everybody. This is what I want to make I totally go to the bottom of your soul without caring what people have to say about it. Other wise it's better to pack it up before you embarrass yourself even more.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: DGordon1 on April 13, 2009, 07:47:21 AM
Johnny Amsterdam if you don't like U2's newer work so be it, but don't act like they've crumbled as a band. They're still huge and making great music (the 2nd part is subjective, but many people share this view). They are still one of the biggest bands in the world and if you don't like them it's your problem, not theirs.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Mystways on April 13, 2009, 08:14:01 AM
I won't call HTDAAB my favourite U2 album, but I have to say that I might not have become a U2 fan without it. I'd heard a few of their songs on the radio; had checked 18 Singles out from the library, but it wasn't until I heard HTDAAB that I really started paying attention to U2's music. So slam it if you wantóy'alls are entitled to opinionsóbut for me it will always have a special place in my heart. :)
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: emalvick on April 13, 2009, 09:01:31 AM
Dismantle is not a horrible album but it feels like just the sum of its parts and falls into the bottom half for me in U2's catalog. 

As for the cover... There was a photo I remember (perhaps inside the HTDAAB booklet) that showed the band standing out in a desert/wasteland.  I with I had the album with me or could find the image, but it was very distinct and very fitting for the album cover.  If anyone knows what photo I'm talking about, what do you think?

... edit:  I just saw that it is the image on the back cover of the album.  That is the image that should have been on the front, or would have been a better image at least.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 13, 2009, 09:22:27 AM
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I'm really surprised at how much people bash this album on the boards.  I thought it was the closest thing to Boy they've ever produced.  Just a straight up Rock record. 

It doesn't have 10% of the enthusiasm of "Boy". Or the guts. Or the memorability. Really, the closer U2 have ever got to "Boy" is about 30% of the "October" album...
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Stateless_Passenger on April 13, 2009, 10:20:53 AM
The album cover does reflect the sound of the album somewhat.

It's just too inconsistent. The second half of the record just doesn't take off y'know? I wish they'd kept the energy of Vertigo & Blinding Lights up. After ALYCLB, I felt they would rock out abit more & Vertigo was a good start (before it grew stale) but I was dissapointed with the rest of the album.


Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 13, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
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The album cover is Ok for the song Sometimes you cant...but thats it.

For the album:

I enjoy every song, but feels incomplete to me, i dont know why everyone is so unfond of it
Because it's a crappy album. Two crappy albums and you're out huh Bono. Well it's actually three now Bono and you're still here.

Dude, the last 3 were good
No they weren't.

Yeah, but thats your opinion, doesn't actually make them bad. Troll.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: NotComingDown on April 13, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
I enjoy it. It's enjoyable. That's about it.

Nothing stands out save for a couple of tracks, and so much is forgettable - I can't imagine finding myself saying "I really want to hear One Step Closer, or A Man And A Woman" - It's not a bad album, it just doesn't stand up to the rest of U2's catalog. Maybe if they had put Mercy, or even Smile on there, It could've been a lot better.
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Post by: Anthony02 on April 13, 2009, 08:34:33 PM
IMO, it stands up better than ATYCLB. Its a bit harder. The only songs I skip are Vertigo and A Man and a Woman. As for ATYCLB, I only like Beautiful Day, Kite, In a Little While, When I Look At The World, and New York. Walk On is still ok. However NLOTH blows both of them away. And its the album Ive been waiting for since Pop.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Clarky on April 13, 2009, 10:01:33 PM
HTDAAB is nothing amazing but its a decent U2 album. I'd say it has about 3 really good songs and the rest are good/ok.....with about 2 poor tracks. I never understood what some people saw in All Because of You...I thought that song was terrible. I'm fine with Man Woman and Original is one of my favourties. Like I said, nothing special, but I enjoy it for the most part for the type of album that it is.

Album cover? Yeah, weak.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 13, 2009, 10:27:57 PM
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War and TUF are great albums because U2 was on the roll and stayed there for many tears to come ending with pop after what they saw as a debacle )i sure don-t) they wanted their fans back and became afraid of taking risks and that killed them resulting in abominations and abortions like atyvlb BOMB and No line. believe me songs of ascent won't be any different. Another crap album and they're still here.
As an artist myself I know that you should never make any concessions it will kill your true art and you'll be staggering on trying to get that feeling back, You can only get it back by saying screw everybody. This is what I want to make I totally go to the bottom of your soul without caring what people have to say about it. Other wise it's better to pack it up before you embarrass yourself even more.
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Here's a thought: so if what being an artist means staying true to yourself and not caring about what people think, why the f*** does your opinion matter in the first place? Because no one put guns to the heads of U2 and forced them to release ATYCLB, Bomb, and NLOTH. These were records the band released voluntarily and dedicated their hearts into. These records were written and created from the depths of their soul. If what U2 want to make is music for radio and for stadiums, why should your opinion matter?
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 14, 2009, 03:50:20 AM
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War and TUF are great albums because U2 was on the roll and stayed there for many tears to come ending with pop after what they saw as a debacle )i sure don-t) they wanted their fans back and became afraid of taking risks and that killed them resulting in abominations and abortions like atyvlb BOMB and No line. believe me songs of ascent won't be any different. Another crap album and they're still here.
As an artist myself I know that you should never make any concessions it will kill your true art and you'll be staggering on trying to get that feeling back, You can only get it back by saying screw everybody. This is what I want to make I totally go to the bottom of your soul without caring what people have to say about it. Other wise it's better to pack it up before you embarrass yourself even more.

Here's a thought: so if what being an artist means staying true to yourself and not caring about what people think, why the f*** does your opinion matter in the first place? Because no one put guns to the heads of U2 and forced them to release ATYCLB, Bomb, and NLOTH. These were records the band released voluntarily and dedicated their hearts into. These records were written and created from the depths of their soul. If what U2 want to make is music for radio and for stadiums, why should your opinion matter?
[/quote]Yeah right. It had nothing to do with freaking out after POP "failed" and not selling well.? It had nothing to do with wanting their fans back? They sold out after pop and have been creatively struggling ever since.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 14, 2009, 03:53:30 AM
Just don't.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Gravy11 on April 14, 2009, 06:27:35 AM
What I don't really understand is the people who can't stand Bomb.  They complain and complain but 1, they are still fans (they're on the boards so obviously), and 2, they probably shelled out $50-100 to see the Vertigo tour.  Everyone can have their opinions, but if you hate the last 3 albums so much, stick to the 80s material and stop listening to the new material.  It's not the end of the world.  That happened with me and REM.  I loved everything up until Up.  Hifi was good but the sound was gone.  So I don't buy the new material. End of story.  My thoughts on Bomb are that it is a good album.  It's probably the closest to Boy we've seen after War.  A straight out rock record.  And the tour was very good.  Even songs like Crumbs took on a new persona live.  I don't know...at the rate this thread is filled with complaints of the last 3 albums, why not split? If I hated the last 3, I'd stick with the old stuff and stop buying or seeing the new stuff.  Easy solution no?
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Jazz on April 14, 2009, 06:30:01 AM
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What I don't really understand is the people who can't stand Bomb.  They complain and complain but 1, they are still fans (they're on the boards so obviously), and 2, they probably shelled out $50-100 to see the Vertigo tour.  Everyone can have their opinions, but if you hate the last 3 albums so much, stick to the 80s material and stop listening to the new material.  It's not the end of the world.  That happened with me and REM.  I loved everything up until Up.  Hifi was good but the sound was gone.  So I don't buy the new material. End of story.  My thoughts on Bomb are that it is a good album.  It's probably the closest to Boy we've seen after War.  A straight out rock record.  And the tour was very good.  Even songs like Crumbs took on a new persona live.  I don't know...at the rate this thread is filled with complaints of the last 3 albums, why not split? If I hated the last 3, I'd stick with the old stuff and stop buying or seeing the new stuff.  Easy solution no?

It is an easy solution but that would mean no one would have anything to moan about on here!

I don't like HDDAAB but think Sometimes You Can't make it more than makes up for the rest of it...
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Gravy11 on April 14, 2009, 06:35:25 AM
Good point Jazz. It's almost like the people who constantly complain about their jobs.  Go get a new job then!  :P
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 14, 2009, 06:40:40 AM
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What I don't really understand is the people who can't stand Bomb.  They complain and complain but 1, they are still fans (they're on the boards so obviously), and 2, they probably shelled out $50-100 to see the Vertigo tour.  Everyone can have their opinions, but if you hate the last 3 albums so much, stick to the 80s material and stop listening to the new material.  It's not the end of the world.  That happened with me and REM.  I loved everything up until Up.  Hifi was good but the sound was gone.  So I don't buy the new material. End of story.  My thoughts on Bomb are that it is a good album.  It's probably the closest to Boy we've seen after War.  A straight out rock record.  And the tour was very good.  Even songs like Crumbs took on a new persona live.  I don't know...at the rate this thread is filled with complaints of the last 3 albums, why not split? If I hated the last 3, I'd stick with the old stuff and stop buying or seeing the new stuff.  Easy solution no?

Well, maybe not quite so easy. I mean, for some people, if you really, really loved their old stuff, you may constantly tell yourself that the new stuff must be getting better- maybe 'this' will be the album where it turns around. At the very least, maybe there'll be a few good songs in there? And as for the tour, well, it's not as though they play only new material, and lots of songs are FAR better live than the recorded versions.

So basically, while I agree your solution would work in principle, I can see why the Bomb-haters are still buying and still complaining.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Gravy11 on April 14, 2009, 07:18:13 AM
Well, maybe not quite so easy. I mean, for some people, if you really, really loved their old stuff, you may constantly tell yourself that the new stuff must be getting better- maybe 'this' will be the album where it turns around. At the very least, maybe there'll be a few good songs in there? And as for the tour, well, it's not as though they play only new material, and lots of songs are FAR better live than the recorded versions.

So basically, while I agree your solution would work in principle, I can see why the Bomb-haters are still buying and still complaining.
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Keep in mind though most of the Bomb haters also dislike NLOTH and ATYCLB.  That's almost 10 years of material that is going to make up a majority of 360's setlist.  Their songs definitely take off live, but if those 3 albums are so bad, even live performances can't add value.  I'm a bad example though.  Even though Zooropa and Pop weren't my ideal U2 outing, I still listen to them.  It's freakin' U2!  8)
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 14, 2009, 07:21:06 AM
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What I don't really understand is the people who can't stand Bomb.  They complain and complain but 1, they are still fans (they're on the boards so obviously), and 2, they probably shelled out $50-100 to see the Vertigo tour.  Everyone can have their opinions, but if you hate the last 3 albums so much, stick to the 80s material and stop listening to the new material.  It's not the end of the world.  That happened with me and REM.  I loved everything up until Up.  Hifi was good but the sound was gone.  So I don't buy the new material. End of story.  My thoughts on Bomb are that it is a good album.  It's probably the closest to Boy we've seen after War.  A straight out rock record.  And the tour was very good.  Even songs like Crumbs took on a new persona live.  I don't know...at the rate this thread is filled with complaints of the last 3 albums, why not split? If I hated the last 3, I'd stick with the old stuff and stop buying or seeing the new stuff.  Easy solution no?


Let's try and separate different things here. The number of people on this forum that hate all the 3 last albums is very very diminute. Just 2 or 3, as far as I can tell. These people probably have no better way of spending their time...

99% of the people who don't like "Bomb" (my case) seem to like NLOTH, so they have good reasons to remain fans.

Then there's also the few people who don't like NLOTH but who like "Bomb". Those people still have good reasons to remain fans, since it's probably not very reasonable to start hating a band just because one single album does not conform to their expectations...
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: sceptic prophet on April 14, 2009, 07:23:07 AM
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Keep in mind though most of the Bomb haters also dislike NLOTH and ATYCLB. 


This really seems to be false, if the recent discussions and polls on the forum are anything to go by.
Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: ThatStutterSound on April 14, 2009, 07:28:24 AM
Bomb stunk for the most part. The crappy cover art was appropriate: distracted, thrown-together. I honestly can't recall many of the songs on that record, but I will say Love and Peace and Vertigo were cool live.
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Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 14, 2009, 08:20:08 AM
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Yeah right. It had nothing to do with freaking out after POP "failed" and not selling well.? It had nothing to do with wanting their fans back? They sold out after pop and have been creatively struggling ever since.

I don't understand where you're coming from at all. How exactly did U2 "sell out"? Bono and gang have all stated repeatedly in several interviews that by the time of Pop they were all already disillusioned with the electronica experimentation and missed the feeling of playing together in a room. Their artistic intentions after Pop were to return to rock and roll and music for the soul, which they did. Doing otherwise would have been a betrayal of their artistic selves.
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Yeah right. It had nothing to do with freaking out after POP "failed" and not selling well.? It had nothing to do with wanting their fans back? They sold out after pop and have been creatively struggling ever since.

I don't understand where you're coming from at all. How exactly did U2 "sell out"? Bono and gang have all stated repeatedly in several interviews that by the time of Pop they were all already disillusioned with the electronica experimentation and missed the feeling of playing together in a room. Their artistic intentions after Pop were to return to rock and roll and music for the soul, which they did. Doing otherwise would have been a betrayal of their artistic selves.
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Yeah right. It had nothing to do with freaking out after POP "failed" and not selling well.? It had nothing to do with wanting their fans back? They sold out after pop and have been creatively struggling ever since.

I would say that all the way up to Pop, U2 was challenging themselves and coming up with new sounds.  After Pop, their music sounded safe, boring and crappy--just my opinion.  The one thing I loved about U2 was how they always came up with a new sound with every album.  The last two albums (and a chunk of No Line) sounds safe.  Sorry I can't come up with a better word to describe their new music, but it's either safe/boring.  I like to call it Eric and Kathy music--for those who are in Chicago and listen to the crappy Mix radio station.  Even with the new album, the band still felt that they had to include "radio-friendly" hits to make sure they would get an audience.  I think I read an Eno article about how he wanted to push the band a little further, but the band was reluctant.  I could be wrong and I don't have a way of knowing this, but I don't think the band was thinking "hey, let's come up with some radio hits" when they were creating Zooropa or Pop.  I'm sure they've always wanted to be the biggest band in the world, but they've changed their way of accomplishing that feat after Pop. 

I don't understand where you're coming from at all. How exactly did U2 "sell out"? Bono and gang have all stated repeatedly in several interviews that by the time of Pop they were all already disillusioned with the electronica experimentation and missed the feeling of playing together in a room. Their artistic intentions after Pop were to return to rock and roll and music for the soul, which they did. Doing otherwise would have been a betrayal of their artistic selves.
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Post by: BeneathTheNoise on April 14, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
Geez. They could of put an unpeeled, over ripened banana as the album cover & it wouldn't of made a difference to me. & I don't think Pop or anything else "failed". Who cares about statistics or what the majority thinks. If we all took popularity or sales into account as the gospel, we'd all be on a Miley Cyrus forum or something right now.
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Post by: jimyjazz on April 14, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
I love All That, am so-so on No line and hate Bomb.  It's painfully MOR and all the songs have an awful part that doesn't fit.  The "rocking out" is lame and forced and they lyrics are awful.  The alternate versions are really good though - it could have been awesome.
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Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 14, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
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If we all took popularity or sales into account as the gospel, we'd all be on a Miley Cyrus forum or something right now.

...Some things shouldn't even be joked about...
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Post by: ian ryan on April 14, 2009, 02:37:47 PM
I really don't get all the Bomb bashing either.  While the cover photo's a bit uninspired, I still really like the font used and the hash marks and targets used in the imagery.  I like how there are consistant themes and colors used throughout the singles and peripheral releases.  ATYCLB was really good for this as well.
As far as the album itself is concerned, I think it's full of amazingly well-crafted (although not particularly bold) music.  People say that if they want to be true as artists, they need to follow where their muse takes them.  Well, U2 have been very honest since the beginning in saying that one of their goals as musicians was to be the biggest band in the world.  Just because they weren't making Pop or Zooropa part 2 didn't mean they weren't following their creative muses.  The people who complain about them going on a new track with ATYCLB and Atomic Bomb are just as bad as the folks who think they never should have gone down the Achtung/Zooropa/Pop path. 
The Vertigo tour, apart from having some fantastic pop culture visuals and those amazing bead curtains, probably had the best setlists of any tour they've ever had, especially the first leg.  Each show was about 1/3 songs off Atomic Bomb, 1/3 greatest hits songs, and 1/3 deeper cuts.  As someone who got into U2 during Pop, I NEVER thought I'd get to hear Zoo Station, the Ocean, Gloria, or An Cat Dubh live.  I got to during Vertigo.
Lastly, and most importantly, are the songs on the album.  Vertigo is an energetic masterpiece that takes what Elevation did to the next level and puts Boots to shame.  Miracle Drug's got kinda weak verses but the chorus feels like what Crazy Tonight was trying to be.  The bridge is amazing, especially when Edge's vocals transfer over to Bono's final chorus.  Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own.  Between Bono's lyrics and Edge's frozen and fragile guitars, it's probably in the top 3 or 4 ballads the band has ever done, IMO.  Love and Peace or Else has an awesome, grumbling, menacing opening and the overall vibe of the song, the threat of love, is something I don't think any other band can pull off.  City Of Blinding Lights is my favorite U2 song ever, and its cascading opening gets me going as much as Streets' does.  The last verse is one of the best Bono has ever written.  This song wraps up all the hope and ambition and glory U2 has ever had.  All Because of You, apart from being a tongue-in-cheek hoot, is a bit of a tribute to the Who.  I've found the song makes a lot more sense, musically, if you consider that.  A Man And A Woman is a cheesy love song, the kind which I'm glad U2 avoids most of the time.  The verses have some great lyrics, though, and I love seeing how often I can match the falsettos.  Crumbs From Your Table has some of the most sarcastic, biting lyrics Bono's ever written and sits well with Actung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop in that respect.  One Step Closer, in my opinion, is a sibling song to The First Time, and not just because they're musically similar.  However, whereas The First Time is about a person resonding to crises in the world around him, One Step Closer is about someone responding to internal crises.  Original Of The Species gets so close to the cheese line but masterfully never quite hits it.  Those choruses make me want to sing along every single time I hear it and Edge's got some absolutely beautiful moments.  The single mix is better than the album mix, though.  Yahweh's a bit too Jesusy for me but it's still like a big white train chugging through a beautiful, green landscape for me.  There's a very Joshua Tree-esque majesty to it and the U23D visuals for it were one of the best parts of the whole film. 
Is it their deepest album?  Nope.  Is it their most accesible album?  Nope.  Is it their most adventurous album?  Nope.  However, it's where U2 were at at the time, it's got some of their most well-crafted music ever, it had a bitching tour to go along with it, and it's one of the three U2 albums that I'd say is completely balanced from the first half to the second.  The other two are Boy and Achtung Baby.  Like I said before, if you don't like ATYCLB and Atomic Bomb because they were a departure from Pop, how are you any different from the people who didn't like Achtung Baby and Zooropa because they were a departure from the Joshua Tree?  Just because the band went from an innovative, intelligent strength to a designed, detail-styled strength doesn't mean they weren't going from strength to strength.   
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Post by: Anthony02 on April 14, 2009, 02:38:22 PM
NLOTH is not Eric and Kathy music. Maybe Crazy or Stand Up Comedy. But I dont see NLOTH, Fez, UC, being played on their station. I have heard Fez on WXRT. I dont know what you listen to, but if its 101.9 and Eric/Kathy I feel for you. Either way, radio just sucks nowadays in the US. And what defines a song as "radio friendly?" Ive heard Zooropa and Wild Horses on the radio before. And many consider them unfriendly radio tunes. So dont use the excuse that U2 got soft, or included radio hits on the album. Thats just a weak argument, IMO.
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Post by: drummer120 on April 14, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
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I'm often surprised at how badly this album gets beaten up...not their best but jeez, does have some very high points.....the cover sucks.....

Yeah, it isn't that bad!? I mean things could...potentially get worse. But seriously it wasn't that bad. OK!?!?!?!?!?!?! 8)
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Post by: ian ryan on April 14, 2009, 03:26:41 PM
If we're talking about radio play, it's not surprising for me to hear I Will Follow, Gloria, Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Year's Day, Pride, The Unforgettable Fire, I Still Haven't Found, With Or Without You, Streets, In God's Country, Angel of Harlem, When Love Comes To Town, Desire, The Fly, Mysterious Ways, One, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, Numb, Lemon, Discotheque, Sweetest Thing, Walk On, Beautiful Day, Stuck In A Moment, Elevation, In A Little While, Vertigo, All Because Of You, Sometimes You Can't, Original Of The Species, The Saints Are Coming, and Window In The Skies on the radio stations in the Portland metro area.  Some more than others, of course, but they still all get play.  What radio stations will and will not play is hardly a good standard.
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Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 14, 2009, 09:37:58 PM
and you survived?
 :D just kidding.

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Post by: Jazz on April 15, 2009, 04:03:57 AM
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I'm often surprised at how badly this album gets beaten up...not their best but jeez, does have some very high points.....the cover sucks.....

Yeah, it isn't that bad!? I mean things could...potentially get worse. But seriously it wasn't that bad. OK!?!?!?!?!?!?! 8)

The cover? I think it's one of the better things about the album!
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 15, 2009, 08:38:34 AM
To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.
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Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 15, 2009, 08:51:21 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Who's gonna force you to? if you hate it so much chuck it out the window.
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Post by: DGordon1 on April 15, 2009, 08:56:43 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

To be honest I'd like to never see another post from you for as long as I live.
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Post by: sceptic prophet on April 15, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
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Post by: Lemon-Twist on April 15, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Bomb is the bomb.....wait a minute ;)
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 15, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.
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Post by: Jazz on April 15, 2009, 12:17:26 PM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
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Post by: Dali on April 15, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
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I love All That, am so-so on No line and hate Bomb.  It's painfully MOR and all the songs have an awful part that doesn't fit.  The "rocking out" is lame and forced and they lyrics are awful.  The alternate versions are really good though - it could have been awesome.

I kind of agree with the appreciation of ATYCLB and the bore-out that is HTDAAB. But NLOTH hasn't fully sunken in just yet.
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 15, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
Damn and I thought hell would be fun
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Post by: Jazz on April 15, 2009, 04:40:21 PM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
Damn and I thought hell would be fun

No way - the worst offenders will be subjected to a mega mix of Pride, Unknown Caller and Boots.
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 15, 2009, 04:42:10 PM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.
The horror. The horror

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
Damn and I thought hell would be fun

No way - the worst offenders will be subjected to a mega mix of Pride, Unknown Caller and Boots.
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Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 15, 2009, 05:35:50 PM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

To be honest I'd like to never see another post from you for as long as I live.

I agree fully. I wish he'd just stop.
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 16, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

To be honest I'd like to never see another post from you for as long as I live.

I agree fully. I wish he'd just stop.
Why?
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Post by: sceptic prophet on April 16, 2009, 03:12:05 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
Damn and I thought hell would be fun


But it is fun. For Satan, that is.
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 16, 2009, 05:35:37 AM
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To be honest I hope I never hear that album again as long as I live.

Do you admit listening to it in the afterlife, then?
They'll be playing it very loud 24/7 in hell probably.
Don't you just love the guy? he's far more annoying than me.

Yes - with Boots being played to the especially naughty ones.
Damn and I thought hell would be fun


But it is fun. For Satan, that is.
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Post by: Terrasidius on April 17, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
I really dont like HTDAAB, I have tried to like it but surprisingly for me, as I am a massive fan, I really just dont like it.
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Post by: emalvick on April 17, 2009, 04:53:24 PM
I have to admit, I am one of those that actually liked HTDAAB better than ATYCLB mostly because it's, as another use put it, well balanced.  I admit it isn't one of my favorites, but I find all this hate towards it quite harsh.  Even with ATYCLB and Pop at the bottom of my list of U2 albums, those two albums have moments I enjoy.  Of course this is just my opinion, but I really don't find that U2's albums have shown enough variety to be at a point where I could hate one album and love another.  U2 albums have always felt like U2 albums with some being better than others.
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Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 18, 2009, 02:47:18 AM
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I really dont like HTDAAB, I have tried to like it but surprisingly for me, as I am a massive fan, I really just dont like it.
I tried to listen to it. But I never could get through it. It's boring over-produced and it sounds bland and stale.
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Post by: jick on April 18, 2009, 03:04:15 AM
To the doubters here, U2's insights in the authoritative U2 BY U2 should definitely erase doubts that have been seeded towards you about the album:

Clayton: We were feeling we had made a great record, a record worth shouting about.

Edge: I think it's our best album...

Bono: It is definitely the best songwriting. There's more great songs on this album than any other.  There's no filler. And I think that's a triumph.

Mullen: I think it's a really good record, with some great songs. I'm not as emotionally attached to it as I am to All That You Can't Leave Behind.

McGuiness: I love the record, it's wonderful, probably their greatest.

Clayton: ...It was a big surprise when we actually got five awards, including Album Of The Year.  That just blew us away.  between the two ceremonies, we've scooped eight Grammies.  That is about as good as it gets.  It was a confirmation that this record had been taken on board, it went into the culture and it did everything that you would want a record to do.


The band basically loves it.  And since we all love U2, it means we trust their musical tastes.  It follows that we should like it too.  Remember those quotes aren't the usual U2 pre-release album hype, those were made after the album had its sales run and after most of the tour had been done.  They had already distanced themselves from the album and done an honest assessment of HTDAAB.

Cheers,

J
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Post by: TheFlyingLemon on April 18, 2009, 03:41:11 AM
Jick, you actually like U2!?  :o

 ;D

Carry on.
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Post by: drummer120 on April 18, 2009, 06:48:09 AM
I really like HTDAAB. It was probably the first U2 album I heard and it got me attached to U2. I especially like Veritgo, Love and Peace, Yahweh, and I do actually like Original of the Species... ;D
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Post by: JuniorEmblem on April 18, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
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And since we all love U2, it means we trust their musical tastes.


No, it means we like, for the most part, their musical OUTPUT.

There's always exceptions to rules.

Like HTDAAB.




Title: Re: I Just Listened To HTDAAB...
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 18, 2009, 03:07:15 PM
I'm tired of being admired.
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Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on April 24, 2009, 11:14:14 AM
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I'm tired of being admired.

You must have a pretty low threshold for that then, seeing as how little admiration you're getting round here.
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Post by: keithyb on April 24, 2009, 12:14:33 PM
Jick, you're still missing the point: it doesn't matter what U2 say about their own work -- it's interesting, relevant and should be read, but it doesn't change the response of their fans or the general public. Bono has also said that Bomb is less than the sum of its parts, and No Line is their best. So which version of their honesty is to be believed here? The answer: make up your own mind, as people on this forum aim to do.

It's not a matter of them being "honest" -- it's a matter of proximity and perspective, and those factors are always changing. So quit looking for this definitive, authoritative U2 crap. What are you, a good communist in hiding? Think for yourself and allow others the same privilege. The U2 manifesto you so slavishly adhere to is simply another input to consider, but by no means a more important one than the independent critical appraisal we all make in our own way.