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Title: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: robert on April 25, 2009, 03:53:58 AM
i believe the games over and bono should grow old gracefully making the odd one off public appearance maybe in a similar fashion to leonard cohen, perhaps where a hat around?
the band should just let there credibitibilty and influence grow, they wont be forgetten.

release songs of ascent then gracefully hand over the reigns to the killers and kings of leon
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: pilgrimtogo on April 25, 2009, 04:17:42 AM
dream on!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Malachi on April 25, 2009, 04:37:12 AM
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dream on!

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Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Jazz on April 25, 2009, 04:52:31 AM

Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: JuniorEmblem on April 25, 2009, 08:41:27 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

In order to make the albums they're capable of, it needs to be their higher priority.

I'm pleasantly surprised NLOTH is as good as it is (which isn't great) after HTDAAB, given all their distractions: Bono's politicking, U2 Tower, Clarence hotel, Malibu construction projects, endless vacations, etc.

No, I'm NOT criticizing them for all of the above, just saying that the last time music seemed to be #1 priority in their lives seemed to be with Pop, which woul dexplain why nothing has been as good since. I'm sure they're still capable of it, they just need to want it.



Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2matters on April 25, 2009, 08:58:53 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

In order to make the albums they're capable of, it needs to be their higher priority.

I'm pleasantly surprised NLOTH is as good as it is (which isn't great) after HTDAAB, given all their distractions: Bono's politicking, U2 Tower, Clarence hotel, Malibu construction projects, endless vacations, etc.

No, I'm NOT criticizing them for all of the above, just saying that the last time music seemed to be #1 priority in their lives seemed to be with Pop, which woul dexplain why nothing has been as good since. I'm sure they're still capable of it, they just need to want it.







I think our expectations are over blown. i think they put all they could into this album and every album. i won't say that the mentioned side projects didn't interfere with the end product, but saying they just don't want it as bad is a bit bold. i see where you're coming from, but NOTHING had been good since? for a lack of focus or priority?
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Dark Angel on April 25, 2009, 09:01:23 AM
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dream on!

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I second that
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: JuniorEmblem on April 25, 2009, 09:04:26 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

In order to make the albums they're capable of, it needs to be their higher priority.

I'm pleasantly surprised NLOTH is as good as it is (which isn't great) after HTDAAB, given all their distractions: Bono's politicking, U2 Tower, Clarence hotel, Malibu construction projects, endless vacations, etc.

No, I'm NOT criticizing them for all of the above, just saying that the last time music seemed to be #1 priority in their lives seemed to be with Pop, which woul dexplain why nothing has been as good since. I'm sure they're still capable of it, they just need to want it.







I think our expectations are over blown. i think they put all they could into this album and every album. i won't say that the mentioned side projects didn't interfere with the end product, but saying they just don't want it as bad is a bit bold. i see where you're coming from, but NOTHING had been good since? for a lack of focus or priority?

Focus or priority ??? hmmm......I'm going to cop out and say both.

That's how it comes across, I believe the band even were getting frustrated with Bono during HTDAAB for the same reasons.

to be honest, when it comes to the expectations thing, mine were exceeded by NLOTH and I don't think it's that great, not yet anyway.

I just don't think we'll ever see another JT or AB type masterpiece until the band is hungry enough to want it, it doesn't APPEAR they do these days but none of us are privy to their inner workings.

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2matters on April 25, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

In order to make the albums they're capable of, it needs to be their higher priority.

I'm pleasantly surprised NLOTH is as good as it is (which isn't great) after HTDAAB, given all their distractions: Bono's politicking, U2 Tower, Clarence hotel, Malibu construction projects, endless vacations, etc.

No, I'm NOT criticizing them for all of the above, just saying that the last time music seemed to be #1 priority in their lives seemed to be with Pop, which woul dexplain why nothing has been as good since. I'm sure they're still capable of it, they just need to want it.







I think our expectations are over blown. i think they put all they could into this album and every album. i won't say that the mentioned side projects didn't interfere with the end product, but saying they just don't want it as bad is a bit bold. i see where you're coming from, but NOTHING had been good since? for a lack of focus or priority?

Focus or priority ??? hmmm......I'm going to cop out and say both.

That's how it comes across, I believe the band even were getting frustrated with Bono during HTDAAB for the same reasons.

to be honest, when it comes to the expectations thing, mine were exceeded by NLOTH and I don't think it's that great, not yet anyway.

I just don't think we'll ever see another JT or AB type masterpiece until the band is hungry enough to want it, it doesn't APPEAR they do these days but none of us are privy to their inner workings.




I'll respectfully continue to disagree.
I do have high hopes for Songs of Ascent...
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Stateless_Passenger on April 25, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
I just wish they'd make another couple of albums after this that arn't trying to please every man & his dog y'know?

They still are capable of sheer greatness. See 'Moment of Surrender' or 'Cedars of Lebanon'. Now is the time to do whatever they feel like again.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: GiacomoHoldini on April 25, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

Honestly, I'm thinking the new album demonstrates what they are capable of, and unfortunately I don't mean that as a compliment.  In other words, I don't think the current state of their music is for lack of wanting or effort on the band's part, but rather their collective instincts and tastes may have gotten to a point where they are no longer capable of the greatness they showed either on Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby.  Case in point, they took over two years to record NLOTH, and in my opinion, that effort resulted in many songs that are overproduced and overdeveloped, and in a song selection that is underwhelming.  (Really, out of the 50 or so songs they claim to have recorded for the project, Crazy and Boots were in the top eleven?  How is it the Mac speak on Unknown Caller managed to get the thumbs up?)  Add to that the fact that the band members honestly seem to believe this stands a good chance of being their best album ever, and I have to think this really is the best the band can do now.  I still love 'em, but a lot of that love is based on what they did in the past, and that their present doesn't completely discredit it.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Stateless_Passenger on April 25, 2009, 03:17:15 PM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

Honestly, I'm thinking the new album demonstrates what they are capable of, and unfortunately I don't mean that as a compliment.  In other words, I don't think the current state of their music is for lack of wanting or effort on the band's part, but rather their collective instincts and tastes may have gotten to a point where they are no longer capable of the greatness they showed either on Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby.  Case in point, they took over two years to record NLOTH, and in my opinion, that effort resulted in many songs that are overproduced and overdeveloped, and in a song selection that is underwhelming.  (Really, out of the 50 or so songs they claim to have recorded for the project, Crazy and Boots were in the top eleven?  How is it the Mac speak on Unknown Caller managed to get the thumbs up?)  Add to that the fact that the band members honestly seem to believe this stands a good chance of being their best album ever, and I have to think this really is the best the band can do now.  I still love 'em, but a lot of that love is based on what they did in the past, and that their present doesn't completely discredit it.

This is kinda true but again, I believe on songs like 'Moment of Surrender', 'No Line on the Horizon' & 'Cedars' they still show they more than capable of epic tunes. It's just a shame they didn't include more of the experimental stuff on there.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: birdlover on April 25, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
I'm a new fan, and so I have a different perspective on the band.

To me U2 is a band that is continuing to grow. They change in each phase, gaining new insight and inspiration from all their diversions. You cannot create music without inspiration, without 'outside interests'. Otherwise it becomes just a rehashing of the stuff you've done before.

I think of it as watching a child grow. Some changes are welcomed, some (the classic NO! stage for example) less so. Each of us has their own favorite albums and not so favorite albums. They are still all U2.

I choose to follow this band because I like most of what they do musically and all that they do politically. Some others find a different mix to their liking. That is fine.

The biggest thing for me is to give them room to grow. To find that thing that makes them want to perform. For if they are happy, they're bound to make at least some of us happy.

If you don't like something, don't listen to it. But please don't try to tell them how to grow. That is, and always has been, up to them.  I think they're doing a GREAT job!

Birdlover
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: GiacomoHoldini on April 25, 2009, 04:41:14 PM
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The biggest thing for me is to give them room to grow [...] please don't try to tell them how to grow. That is, and always has been, up to them.

I certainly don't have the cojones to attempt to tell the band how to grow.  But what you're saying presupposes that this album is actually a sign of growth.  It's just my opinion, but I don't see it that way.  Rather, I see the album as a collection of a lot of previous U2 tropes - the repeated presence of chanted, Eno-esque "ohs" which first appeared on Pride, Edge's borrowed riffs from "The Fly" and "Walk On," the clumsy attempt by "Boots" to repeat the success of "Vertigo" - all assembled into a package that isn't sure what it wants to be.  All throughout this album, I keep being struck by how it sounds like U2 trying to grow, but repeating themselves instead.  Which isn't to say I think it's a horrible album; I certainly don't.  But I also certainly don't see it as anywhere near their best, as the band evidently does.  And I won't even comment on how it measures up to Daniel Lanois's comment that the term "rock and roll" will have to be redefined in the wake of the album.  Sorry if I seem overly negative about it - I guess this is what happens when you wait nearly five years for a new album from your favorite band, only to be disappointed by it.  I'd be much more accepting of mixed bags if they released them every couple of years.  In fact, if they just forced themselves to put out more albums, instead of fussing over them to the point of obsession, maybe they would grow more.  Oops...I guess I just did tell them how to grow.  OK, strike that.   ;)
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: drummer120 on April 25, 2009, 04:49:17 PM
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dream on!

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Amen.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 26, 2009, 07:41:55 AM
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i believe the games over and bono should grow old gracefully making the odd one off public appearance maybe in a similar fashion to leonard cohen, perhaps where a hat around?
the band should just let there credibitibilty and influence grow, they wont be forgetten.

release songs of ascent then gracefully hand over the reigns to the killers and kings of leon

The killers and kings of leon are not even near in the same league as U2.  U2 has done some of the biggest and innovative tours in rock history.  Brandon Flowers can talk that U2 should call it quits, but talk is cheap. What have they accomplished? There still only good enough to be openers, if that.  Maybe Brandon can get a job fetching Bono water on this tour, so he can really see up close how it is done.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: jick on April 26, 2009, 10:08:01 AM
Now the band should rehearse for ther upcoming tour and make sure all shows have uniform quality.

For the future, the band should start thinking about being a singles-only band so they can keep up with the newcomers out to snatch their thrones.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 26, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
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Now the band should rehearse for ther upcoming tour and make sure all shows have uniform quality.

For the future, the band should start thinking about being a singles-only band so they can keep up with the newcomers out to snatch their thrones.

Cheers,

J


You can't tour with only making singles now and again.  And by the way there is no one even close to snatching their thrones.  When U2 retires it's time to turn off the stadium lights.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2matters on April 26, 2009, 11:01:23 AM
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Now the band should rehearse for ther upcoming tour and make sure all shows have uniform quality.

For the future, the band should start thinking about being a singles-only band so they can keep up with the newcomers out to snatch their thrones.

Cheers,

J






*sigh*

I give up

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Dali on April 26, 2009, 11:55:59 AM
They should try to stick to their initial song ideas for once and not re-work them over and over again until they are unrecognizable from their sources, because the heart is in the spontaneous demo, not in the overpolished track on ProTools, though the latter surely requires the mind.

But who am I to ask? If they are going to be as spontaneous as I hope they would be, they would not listen to me.

I wish they wouldn't care what kind of song ideas test well with their audience and instead do their thing as they feel it fits.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: JoshuaTree94 on April 26, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
I think that with "No Line on the Horizon" they tried to mix many different things: "The Unforgettable Fire", "Achtung Baby", "Pop", and "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" all mashed up together into this. I love the album, but it is still no "Joshua Tree" or "Achtung Baby". Those were epics; creations of a band in their absolute prime. However, I think the boys from Dublin have great music ahead of them. Bono said that he's not sure where it's gonna go, it might get harder, it might get softer. I'd like to see them try both. If they can channel their energy from "Achtung Baby" for their next pieces of work, it will put them completely over any other band that has lasted so long. I think "Breathe" is the best example of what is to come from them; and this album is just the start of another great string of albums like came out in the early nineties. We'll see what happens next.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 26, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
Now, I'm trying to get anyone angry or upset, but if you ask most kids my age (17) which rock bands they like, you usually here Coldplay, Kings of Leon, or The Killers mentioned. I've only known 1 person in real life who likes U2, and that's because I got that person into their music

Of course, U2 will always by the biggest band to those who love them, and to a certain age group, but I feel like they've lost of lot of their influence on young people overall.

I mean, right now, U2's new album has sold around 780,000 copies. Viva La Vida has sold around 2 and a 1/2 million copies. Day & Age has sold about 600,000 copies. And Only by The Night has sold around 570,000 copies (and that's bound to go up)

My point is, things on the Rock N' Roll Throne are not as clear cut as they used to be. U2's new material hasn't really made a significant impact with single sales or radio play, while The Killers, Kings of Leon, and Coldplay have.

U2 has the bigger tour numbers, but they've been around for almost 30 years, and they have a big catalog of older songs that people want to see live.

While I'm not a fan of No Line, I'm not attacking U2 or anything like that. I'm just saying, the idea of U2 being the biggest rock band in the world isn't as undisputed as it used to be
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 26, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
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Now, I'm trying to get anyone angry or upset, but if you ask most kids my age (17) which rock bands they like, you usually here Coldplay, Kings of Leon, or The Killers mentioned. I've only known 1 person in real life who likes U2, and that's because I got that person into their music

Of course, U2 will always by the biggest band to those who love them, and to a certain age group, but I feel like they've lost of lot of their influence on young people overall.

I mean, right now, U2's new album has sold around 780,000 copies. Viva La Vida has sold around 2 and a 1/2 million copies. Day & Age has sold about 600,000 copies. And Only by The Night has sold around 570,000 copies (and that's bound to go up)

My point is, things on the Rock N' Roll Throne are not as clear cut as they used to be. U2's new material hasn't really made a significant impact with single sales or radio play, while The Killers, Kings of Leon, and Coldplay have.

U2 has the bigger tour numbers, but they've been around for almost 30 years, and they have a big catalog of older songs that people want to see live.

While I'm not a fan of No Line, I'm not attacking U2 or anything like that. I'm just saying, the idea of U2 being the biggest rock band in the world isn't as undisputed as it used to be
I'm 39 years old, so I don't care what groups that people age 17 like or dislike even though U2 may want to attract this group.  I'm more of a classic rock listener so I couldn't even name you 2 songs from those 3 groups you mentioned.  I do know that they not in the same class as U2, Stones, Who etc.  Although U2 may not sell as many records as they used to or against some of these bands you mentioned, they are without a doubt the biggest live attraction in the world which in my opinion carries more weight than album sales when determining "the biggest band in the world" as this actually shows the amount of people willing to come out and see you play.  Coldplay, killers, kings of leon are miles behind U2 on this level.  There was an article actually a few years back in my local paper in Toronto on U2 and what goes into the Biggest band in the world status and album sales was actually lower down the list after how big a concert draw you are, influence on a generation and critical acclaim from not only the press but your peers.  It went on to say that U2 will probably the last Big band that we see and when they retire it will be time to turn off the stadium lights.  The undisputed and still heavyweight rock band in the world, without a doubt-U2.  Those other band can compete in the middleweight division.  By the way wasn't that impressed by KOL when the opened up for U2 during Vertigo.  If that is their main threat U2 has nothing to worry about. 
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 26, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
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I'm 39 years old, so I don't care what groups that people age 17 like or dislike even though U2 may want to attract this group.  I'm more of a classic rock listener so I couldn't even name you 2 songs from those 3 groups you mentioned.  I do know that they not in the same class as U2, Stones, Who etc.  Although U2 may not sell as many records as they used to or against some of these bands you mentioned, they are without a doubt the biggest live attraction in the world which in my opinion carries more weight than album sales when determining "the biggest band in the world" as this actually shows the amount of people willing to come out and see you play.  Coldplay, killers, kings of leon are miles behind U2 on this level.  There was an article actually a few years back in my local paper in Toronto on U2 and what goes into the Biggest band in the world status and album sales was actually lower down the list after how big a concert draw you are, influence on a generation and critical acclaim from not only the press but your peers.  It went on to say that U2 will probably the last Big band that we see and when they retire it will be time to turn off the stadium lights.  The undisputed and still heavyweight rock band in the world, without a doubt-U2.  Those other band can compete in the middleweight division.  By the way wasn't that impressed by KOL when the opened up for U2 during Vertigo.  If that is their main threat U2 has nothing to worry about. 

If being the biggest live act was all that was necessary to be the biggest band in the world, then U2 would have never taken the title from The Rolling Stones in the first place

Rolling Stone named U2 "the band of the 80's" in 1985. They were an incredible live act at that time, but their tours weren't the biggest ticket sellers, compared to Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, and other bands who were big at the time.

My point is, there's more to being the biggest band than ticket sales or album sales. It's much deeper than that.

And also, "biggest band" and "best band" are not synonymous. A news paper article in Toronto may have it's opinion that there will never be another big band, but as long as music is being made, there definitely will be. It's foolish logic, in my opinion, to say "there will never be this.." or "there will never be that..." because frankly, none of us know

Every generation has its own band. While there are some people of "my" generation who listen to U2, U2 is definitely not "the band" of my generation, and their new material isn't really influencing our generation. It's not like how it was with the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. Those albums influenced lots of bands and artists.

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 27, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

Honestly, I'm thinking the new album demonstrates what they are capable of, and unfortunately I don't mean that as a compliment.  In other words, I don't think the current state of their music is for lack of wanting or effort on the band's part, but rather their collective instincts and tastes may have gotten to a point where they are no longer capable of the greatness they showed either on Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby.  Case in point, they took over two years to record NLOTH, and in my opinion, that effort resulted in many songs that are overproduced and overdeveloped, and in a song selection that is underwhelming.  (Really, out of the 50 or so songs they claim to have recorded for the project, Crazy and Boots were in the top eleven?  How is it the Mac speak on Unknown Caller managed to get the thumbs up?)  Add to that the fact that the band members honestly seem to believe this stands a good chance of being their best album ever, and I have to think this really is the best the band can do now.  I still love 'em, but a lot of that love is based on what they did in the past, and that their present doesn't completely discredit it.

This is kinda true but again, I believe on songs like 'Moment of Surrender', 'No Line on the Horizon' & 'Cedars' they still show they more than capable of epic tunes. It's just a shame they didn't include more of the experimental stuff on there.
it's because they got scared after POP and been directionless ever since. If they overcome their fear and become fearless again great music will come again. But until then we're stuck with this sh**. Oh who am I kidding they're just fullfilling their contract will obligatory uninspired recordings.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: DGordon1 on April 27, 2009, 03:11:12 AM
Johnny Amsterdam, if all you have to do in your life is come on to a U2 forum and slag the band relentlessly, you SERIOUSLY need a hobby.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: tohydroman on April 27, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
U2 is of a different generation. My generation. I'm 40yrs old. U2 as far as I'm concerned is the biggest band in the world with no worries from the KOL or Coldplay, etc as that number will always be associated with ticket draws/ sales. 
More people will see this concert by the time it's done than any other concert in history and will make the most money in concert going history.
That gives them the title of "Biggest Band in The World".
They also came out with an album at a very bad time. Trying to compare Coldplays sales from when they issued it and U2 and NLOTH, is comparing apples and oranges. Since the bad economy, if you compare artists album sales worldwide U2 are doing fantasic sales in this time. Coldplays album came out way before the bottom fell out.
I am glad to hear that you do like U2 though and I'm sure that if you get the opportunity to see this tour, you'll realize what us old farts are talking about. Great back cataloge and greatest live act of all time with a very very close second to Queen or even a tie! lol!

Take care.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2matters on April 27, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
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Johnny Amsterdam, if all you have to do in your life is come on to a U2 forum and slag the band relentlessly, you SERIOUSLY need a hobby.

i was about to say something similar. Johnny Amsterdam has every right to vent his frustrations with his favorite band, but does he always have to take the pi*s? If he hates the album that much - then why stoke the fire by coming out here all the time and reminding himself of it? We get it. We've read your sign. You hate the album, and everything after pop.


Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 27, 2009, 11:13:33 AM
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i believe the games over and bono should grow old gracefully making the odd one off public appearance maybe in a similar fashion to leonard cohen, perhaps where a hat around?
the band should just let there credibitibilty and influence grow, they wont be forgetten.

release songs of ascent then gracefully hand over the reigns to the killers and kings of leon

The killers and kings of leon are not even near in the same league as U2.  U2 has done some of the biggest and innovative tours in rock history.  Brandon Flowers can talk that U2 should call it quits, but talk is cheap. What have they accomplished? There still only good enough to be openers, if that.  Maybe Brandon can get a job fetching Bono water on this tour, so he can really see up close how it is done.
To be honest: I really don't like the Killers. Don't like kings of Leon either. The Killers are one of the most fake bands since Oasis. Damn greta lyrics Are human or are we dancer? Who gives a sh**. Liked Hunter s Thompson's idea behind it better. Thanks for making that line suck Brandon.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 27, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
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More people will see this concert by the time it's done than any other concert in history and will make the most money in concert going history.
That gives them the title of "Biggest Band in The World".


If that was all that made a band the Biggest Band in The World, then U2 would be getting the title for the first time just now. The Rolling Stones "A Bigger Bang Tour" grossed more than Vertigo, and was seen by more people...

Do you see what I'm saying?
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 27, 2009, 11:32:39 AM
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More people will see this concert by the time it's done than any other concert in history and will make the most money in concert going history.
That gives them the title of "Biggest Band in The World".


If that was all that made a band the Biggest Band in The World, then U2 would be getting the title for the first time just now. The Rolling Stones "A Bigger Bang Tour" grossed more than Vertigo, and was seen by more people...

Do you see what I'm saying?
Well both ain't selling a great amount of records. Rolling stones for the last 30 years an u2 recently. Nut their tours sell out. Yeah everybody loves a freakshow. I'm actually thinking about buying a ticket for the upcoming rolling stones show. Maybe Keith will buy it on stage this time.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: tohydroman on April 27, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
Sorry Revolver7, you were right with the higher grossing tour but not with the attendace figures. The Stones made more money than U2 due to the much higher average price of their tickets. Their nose bleed seats were cheaper but almost every other ticket was way more expensive than what U2 fans are complaining about with the 360 tour lately.
More people witnessed the Vertigo Tour than A Bigger Bang.
But also... if U2 is going to shatter all concert records with this tour and still outsell or match all artists that have released albums since this downshift in the economy,( Coldplay  ) doesn't count again due to it's release before the bottom fell out, then that alone pretty well answers the question to this thread thaat was started.  They should continue to do what they are doing right now... keep making albums and touring because again, they match other relevent artists since the down turn and destroy everybody in concert attendance and soon to be sales.
This could turn out to shatter A Bigger Bang by a couple hundred million if not more.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 27, 2009, 01:42:12 PM
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Sorry Revolver7, you were right with the higher grossing tour but not with the attendace figures. The Stones made more money than U2 due to the much higher average price of their tickets. Their nose bleed seats were cheaper but almost every other ticket was way more expensive than what U2 fans are complaining about with the 360 tour lately.
More people witnessed the Vertigo Tour than A Bigger Bang.
But also... if U2 is going to shatter all concert records with this tour and still outsell or match all artists that have released albums since this downshift in the economy,( Coldplay  ) doesn't count again due to it's release before the bottom fell out, then that alone pretty well answers the question to this thread thaat was started.  They should continue to do what they are doing right now... keep making albums and touring because again, they match other relevent artists since the down turn and destroy everybody in concert attendance and soon to be sales.
This could turn out to shatter A Bigger Bang by a couple hundred million if not more.

Do you know what the exact numbers of the attendance figures are? It said the Vertigo Tour sold 4,619,021 tickets. The Rolling Stones played to 2 Million People at a concert in Rio de Janeiro alone...

I'm not trying to be an a**hole. I've just never seen it said anywhere that more people witnessed the Vertigo Tour

And as far as albums go, I'm not just talking about Coldplay. I'm aware that you can't compare June of 2008 to March of 2009. That's why I also mentioned Kings of Leon and The Killers. No Line is outselling Day & Age and Only By The Night by about 180,000 copies. 

Now, when it comes to album sales, you can't say that U2 is the biggest band in the world just because of a relatively small lead. Back in '91, U2 was widely considered the biggest band in the world. Achtung Baby only sold 8 million copies, while other rock contemporaries such as Pearl Jam and Nirvana sold 13 Million copies and 10 million copies with their albums that were released at the same time.

U2, in my opinion, was considered the biggest band back then because of the quality of their music and their innovation. The were part of the culture, part of the times, part of the Zeitgeist. 

Zoo TV was a great success, as far as ticket sales go, but it was outsold by other Rolling Stones tours in the 90's (Voodoo Lounge and Bridges to Babylon)

And that pretty much sums up my point; you can be the biggest band in the world without having the highest grossing tour, or the highest selling album, because you also have to take into account the artistic merit of music, the quality of the music, the impact of the music, and the influence that it has on the culture
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Johnny Amsterdam on April 27, 2009, 03:08:41 PM
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Sorry Revolver7, you were right with the higher grossing tour but not with the attendace figures. The Stones made more money than U2 due to the much higher average price of their tickets. Their nose bleed seats were cheaper but almost every other ticket was way more expensive than what U2 fans are complaining about with the 360 tour lately.
More people witnessed the Vertigo Tour than A Bigger Bang.
But also... if U2 is going to shatter all concert records with this tour and still outsell or match all artists that have released albums since this downshift in the economy,( Coldplay  ) doesn't count again due to it's release before the bottom fell out, then that alone pretty well answers the question to this thread thaat was started.  They should continue to do what they are doing right now... keep making albums and touring because again, they match other relevent artists since the down turn and destroy everybody in concert attendance and soon to be sales.
This could turn out to shatter A Bigger Bang by a couple hundred million if not more.

Do you know what the exact numbers of the attendance figures are? It said the Vertigo Tour sold 4,619,021 tickets. The Rolling Stones played to 2 Million People at a concert in Rio de Janeiro alone...

I'm not trying to be an a**hole. I've just never seen it said anywhere that more people witnessed the Vertigo Tour

And as far as albums go, I'm not just talking about Coldplay. I'm aware that you can't compare June of 2008 to March of 2009. That's why I also mentioned Kings of Leon and The Killers. No Line is outselling Day & Age and Only By The Night by about 180,000 copies. 

Now, when it comes to album sales, you can't say that U2 is the biggest band in the world just because of a relatively small lead. Back in '91, U2 was widely considered the biggest band in the world. Achtung Baby only sold 8 million copies, while other rock contemporaries such as Pearl Jam and Nirvana sold 13 Million copies and 10 million copies with their albums that were released at the same time.

U2, in my opinion, was considered the biggest band back then because of the quality of their music and their innovation. The were part of the culture, part of the times, part of the Zeitgeist. 

Zoo TV was a great success, as far as ticket sales go, but it was outsold by other Rolling Stones tours in the 90's (Voodoo Lounge and Bridges to Babylon)

And that pretty much sums up my point; you can be the biggest band in the world without having the highest grossing tour, or the highest selling album, because you also have to take into account the artistic merit of music, the quality of the music, the impact of the music, and the influence that it has on the culture
That's why I loved them them in that era
they really tapped into the the Zeitgeist and creatively thrived. was a great time But most of the hardcore  fans are just very ignorant in thinking that U2 is creatively as big as they here in those day. They're absolutely not.

They did killer songs and killer music in the 80 and found a way to elate it into some that looked and sounded beyond good. They were that good. Now they're struggling for ideas and it all happened after POP when they had to try to make music. Before they just did it and great things happen. Self-doubt killed the fire.

They never shouldn't listened to their fans and just shouldn't followed the road they were on. but they got scared and have been struggling to find the fire back ever since. and boys it ain't working. Just let go and go all the way or hang it up. Be fearless again of please quit.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: dougie on April 27, 2009, 03:36:16 PM
What should they do?

Rock on!  Let er rip.  Tear the joint down.  Leave no prisoners.  Put the roll back in rock. or,

Do what they always do!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: StrongGirl on April 27, 2009, 03:39:55 PM
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I'm a new fan, and so I have a different perspective on the band.

To me U2 is a band that is continuing to grow. They change in each phase, gaining new insight and inspiration from all their diversions. You cannot create music without inspiration, without 'outside interests'. Otherwise it becomes just a rehashing of the stuff you've done before.

I think of it as watching a child grow. Some changes are welcomed, some (the classic NO! stage for example) less so. Each of us has their own favorite albums and not so favorite albums. They are still all U2.

I choose to follow this band because I like most of what they do musically and all that they do politically. Some others find a different mix to their liking. That is fine.

The biggest thing for me is to give them room to grow. To find that thing that makes them want to perform. For if they are happy, they're bound to make at least some of us happy.

If you don't like something, don't listen to it. But please don't try to tell them how to grow. That is, and always has been, up to them.  I think they're doing a GREAT job!

Birdlover

Beautifully put, Birdlover! ;)
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: tohydroman on April 27, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
Sorry again Revolver7 but you're not comparing apples with apples again. Anybody and their mother will come to any concert including Rio De Janero especially when it's FREE! Yes free, that shouldn't even be included with their tour. If that was the case then shouldn't Paul Simon be the king if you include his Central Park free shows in NY?
And getting back to album sales, if they are selling 180,000 more copies than the supposed heirs to their throne, then I would say to keep on rocking because they're still on top.
And by the way The Stones played to 3,623,849 people with 114 shows. Like I said, Vertigo played to much more and just imagine if U2 charged what the Stones charged.
Just Google it if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Lesmo on April 27, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
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i believe the games over and bono should grow old gracefully making the odd one off public appearance maybe in a similar fashion to leonard cohen, perhaps where a hat around?
the band should just let there credibitibilty and influence grow, they wont be forgetten.

release songs of ascent then gracefully hand over the reigns to the killers and kings of leon

To the Killers and KOL?

Quit the dope mate....
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 27, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
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I'm 39 years old, so I don't care what groups that people age 17 like or dislike even though U2 may want to attract this group.  I'm more of a classic rock listener so I couldn't even name you 2 songs from those 3 groups you mentioned.  I do know that they not in the same class as U2, Stones, Who etc.  Although U2 may not sell as many records as they used to or against some of these bands you mentioned, they are without a doubt the biggest live attraction in the world which in my opinion carries more weight than album sales when determining "the biggest band in the world" as this actually shows the amount of people willing to come out and see you play.  Coldplay, killers, kings of leon are miles behind U2 on this level.  There was an article actually a few years back in my local paper in Toronto on U2 and what goes into the Biggest band in the world status and album sales was actually lower down the list after how big a concert draw you are, influence on a generation and critical acclaim from not only the press but your peers.  It went on to say that U2 will probably the last Big band that we see and when they retire it will be time to turn off the stadium lights.  The undisputed and still heavyweight rock band in the world, without a doubt-U2.  Those other band can compete in the middleweight division.  By the way wasn't that impressed by KOL when the opened up for U2 during Vertigo.  If that is their main threat U2 has nothing to worry about. 

If being the biggest live act was all that was necessary to be the biggest band in the world, then U2 would have never taken the title from The Rolling Stones in the first place

Rolling Stone named U2 "the band of the 80's" in 1985. They were an incredible live act at that time, but their tours weren't the biggest ticket sellers, compared to Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, and other bands who were big at the time.

My point is, there's more to being the biggest band than ticket sales or album sales. It's much deeper than that.

And also, "biggest band" and "best band" are not synonymous. A news paper article in Toronto may have it's opinion that there will never be another big band, but as long as music is being made, there definitely will be. It's foolish logic, in my opinion, to say "there will never be this.." or "there will never be that..." because frankly, none of us know

Every generation has its own band. While there are some people of "my" generation who listen to U2, U2 is definitely not "the band" of my generation, and their new material isn't really influencing our generation. It's not like how it was with the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. Those albums influenced lots of bands and artists.



The Vertigo tour would have beat the stones but U2 didn't extent the tour because of family obligations with the Edge while the Stones seemed to milk the Bigger Bang Tour Forever.  No worries, 360 tour should have the title by next year's end with less dates compared to the Stones.  Hey, i'm not ragging on the Stones.  I love them, went to see the Bigger bang tour twice but no comparison when it comes to U2.  U2 at least paly a a high percentage of songs from the album they are promoting while the stones call it the bigger bang tour and play 1 maybe 2 songs from the album.  By the way, you say that nobody of your generation cares for U2, but I can say the same for my generation and the people I hang out with.  They don't care one damn bit about coldplay(U2 wannabes), Killers(Brandon Flowers can shoot his mouth off about taking out U2 but you got to as you say walk the walk as good as you can talk the talk) and Kings of Leon(I don't think so).  And we all know the real rock is from the classic rock era which is from the 60's-'80's-from the Beatles, Stones, Who, Floyd, Zepplin, right down to Queen, Police and finnally U2.  And that is where it ends.  Everything else is irrelevant.


Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 27, 2009, 06:42:36 PM
 :D lol, i just puked up my rice krispee treat. what a joke. at least i hope its a joke. The killers? c'mon. KOL - they are good but maybe they've just made their 'The Unforgettable Fire'. Neither of these groups have made their own masterpiece on a 'Joshua Tree' scale as of yet. And, let's say they do in the next 2 years...that doesn't mean U2 should quit. U2 should quit when they want to quit, and when they know it's time. If you think about it, continuing on at this point is the ultimate act of defiance. It's a defiance against expectations. And what's more Punk than that?

Hell, even Depeche Mode are going strong when many fans saw Alan Wilder's departure as the final nail in the coffin. They are still making very good albums despite the odds and the wishes of many fans that were particularly fond of Mr. Wilder.

U2 are still making great music and I feel lucky as a fan to have them around. It's inevitable, but it will be a sad, sad day when they do decide to pack it in.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 27, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
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The Vertigo tour would have beat the stones but U2 didn't extent the tour because of family obligations with the Edge while the Stones seemed to milk the Bigger Bang Tour Forever.  No worries, 360 tour should have the title by next year's end with less dates compared to the Stones.  Hey, i'm not ragging on the Stones.  I love them, went to see the Bigger bang tour twice but no comparison when it comes to U2.  U2 at least paly a a high percentage of songs from the album they are promoting while the stones call it the bigger bang tour and play 1 maybe 2 songs from the album.  By the way, you say that nobody of your generation cares for U2, but I can say the same for my generation and the people I hang out with.  They don't care one damn bit about coldplay(U2 wannabes), Killers(Brandon Flowers can shoot his mouth off about taking out U2 but you got to as you say walk the walk as good as you can talk the talk) and Kings of Leon(I don't think so).  And we all know the real rock is from the classic rock era which is from the 60's-'80's-from the Beatles, Stones, Who, Floyd, Zepplin, right down to Queen, Police and finnally U2.  And that is where it ends.  Everything else is irrelevant.




I never said no one of my generation cares U2; you can reread what I wrote. And there's always a generational gap when it comes to music. If you talk to my parents, who grew up in the 60's, they like the music from their time the best. If you talk to someone from the 70's or 80's, they like the music from their time the best. If you talk to someone from the 90's, they like the music from their time the best, etc.

Your ideas of the three bands I listed is purely your opinion..

And the rest of your message (especially the last part) is purely your opinion
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 27, 2009, 07:02:28 PM
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Sorry again Revolver7 but you're not comparing apples with apples again. Anybody and their mother will come to any concert including Rio De Janero especially when it's FREE! Yes free, that shouldn't even be included with their tour. If that was the case then shouldn't Paul Simon be the king if you include his Central Park free shows in NY?
And getting back to album sales, if they are selling 180,000 more copies than the supposed heirs to their throne, then I would say to keep on rocking because they're still on top.
And by the way The Stones played to 3,623,849 people with 114 shows. Like I said, Vertigo played to much more and just imagine if U2 charged what the Stones charged.
Just Google it if you don't believe me.

You said that the Vertigo Tour was witnessed by "more people". You didn't specify ticket sales. To witness is to see with your own eyes.

I did google it, actually. It said The Rolling Stones a Bigger Bang Tour sold 4.68 million tickets.That's 4,680,000. Vertigo, it says, sold 4,619,021 tickets.

These are my sources:
http://www.huliq.com/37065/rolling-stones-tour-breaks-attendance-records
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_tour

What are yours?

And before you say that it was a small margin, in your above message, you claim that a 180,000 lead of album sales keeps U2 on top. According to your logic, I guess a nearly 61,000 tickets keeps the Stones on top (That isn't my opinion, of course...but that's how it is according to your logic)
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 27, 2009, 07:05:10 PM
And to clarify to everyone, I'm not saying U2 should quit, and I'm a very big U2 fan...I just don't like their new album, and I don't believe that anyone has the throne of the biggest rock band in the world right now...I believe that it's empty; it's up for grabs. And for any band to take it, whether it be Kings of Leon, The Killers, Coldplay, or any band for that matter, has to really step it up and make a strong leap in order to take it
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 27, 2009, 10:31:15 PM
regarding the 'throne', many songwriters get their best ideas on the toilet.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: jick on April 28, 2009, 07:46:48 AM
Bono is not the founder of U2.

This topic shouldn't say "Bono and the band."

It should be "Mullen and the band."

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2bonoman on April 28, 2009, 01:32:56 PM
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Bono is not the founder of U2.

This topic shouldn't say "Bono and the band."

It should be "Mullen and the band."

Cheers,

J


I'm sure the OP doesn't need your input when creating thread titles.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: JuniorEmblem on April 28, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
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Bono is not the founder of U2.

This topic shouldn't say "Bono and the band."

It should be "Mullen and the band."

Cheers,

J


I'm sure the OP doesn't need your input when creating thread titles.

unless the OP is a "newbie", then Jick's yer man, I mean he DOES own 'U2 by U2' you know ?

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: StrongGirl on April 28, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
How about "What the band should do now...the future ?   Would that make everyone happy? :)
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: tohydroman on April 28, 2009, 02:26:24 PM
Guns & Roses is really the king then if you want to count paid tickets as they said 7 million watched them play when Illusion was going on.
The fact of the matter is they are still ahead of most bands with current album sales in this crummy economy which says a lot and by the time this tour is said and done, it will be the largest selling tour of all time.
Also to point out, The Bigger Bang Tour was only selling roughly 32- 34thousand people per concert. Lots of concerts yes but U2 is shattering records all over the world with this tour in these supposed bad times. If they did the same amount of shows as The Stones this record would never be broken as the way things are going, there will never be a supergroup like we know it again.
At the end of the day..... still selling records and still touring seling out means KEEP ROCKING!!  YAAAA!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 28, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
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And to clarify to everyone, I'm not saying U2 should quit, and I'm a very big U2 fan...I just don't like their new album, and I don't believe that anyone has the throne of the biggest rock band in the world right now...I believe that it's empty; it's up for grabs. And for any band to take it, whether it be Kings of Leon, The Killers, Coldplay, or any band for that matter, has to really step it up and make a strong leap in order to take it

I guess your too young to know good quality music. NLOTH is better than any of the offerings of these bands you mentioned.  And you got to stop writing posts that U2's throne is up for grabs.  I laughing so hard I almost pee'd myself.  You can even see it in the bands eyes when they give interviews and are asked about these bands. They just say nice things to be courteous but deep down, you know they are thinking that if this is all we have to worry about we got no worries. When asked about these very same bands,  Bono even said in an interview with MTV europe in Paris in 2005 during the HTDAAB promo and photo shoot that these bands have got to step up and U2 are not going to make it easy for them.  He then went on to say that how sad is it going to be in 5 years time(which is now) and we are sitting at this same table being interviewed and still talking about U2 being the best and the biggest with a sly grin.  Call it confidence,cockiness or arrogance, but it is the truth.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on April 28, 2009, 05:39:52 PM
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And to clarify to everyone, I'm not saying U2 should quit, and I'm a very big U2 fan...I just don't like their new album, and I don't believe that anyone has the throne of the biggest rock band in the world right now...I believe that it's empty; it's up for grabs. And for any band to take it, whether it be Kings of Leon, The Killers, Coldplay, or any band for that matter, has to really step it up and make a strong leap in order to take it

I guess your too young to know good quality music. NLOTH is better than any of the offerings of these bands you mentioned.  And you got to stop writing posts that U2's throne is up for grabs.  I laughing so hard I almost pee'd myself.  You can even see it in the bands eyes when they give interviews and are asked about these bands. They just say nice things to be courteous but deep down, you know they are thinking that if this is all we have to worry about we got no worries. When asked about these very same bands,  Bono even said in an interview with MTV europe in Paris in 2005 during the HTDAAB promo and photo shoot that these bands have got to step up and U2 are not going to make it easy for them.  He then went on to say that how sad is it going to be in 5 years time(which is now) and we are sitting at this same table being interviewed and still talking about U2 being the best and the biggest with a sly grin.  Call it confidence,cockiness or arrogance, but it is the truth.

You don't even know my musical tastes besides the 5 bands that have been mentioned in this conversation. I find it extremely arrogant for you to presume that I don't know quality music.

That would be like me saying you don't know grammar because you used "your" instead of "you're"

Just because I dislike No Line on the Horizon, and I like The Killers and Kings of Leon, that means I have bad taste? Just because I don't see eye-to-eye with you doesn't mean that I have a lesser opinion than you. And just because you're older doesn't mean your opinion to music means more than anyone else's. An opinion is an opinion, and this an online forum meant to express opinions. You need to grow up.

I congratulate on trying to use what believe is "a look in the band's eye" in order to support your argument. The same "look" that you claim to see may mean a million different things to a million different people. Or someone else may not see that look at all.

It may be the truth in your book, perhaps. But the truth is not black or white in this situation. Many other people on this forum would say it's the truth, because this is a U2 site. But many other people would not agree with it being the truth. This is what I mean about it being "gray".

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2bonoman on April 28, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
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I guess your too young to know good quality music. NLOTH is better than any of the offerings of these bands you mentioned. 

You're saying that Kings of Leon and The Killers are not quality music? Please. NLOTH is a really good album. Both Sam's Town and Day & Age from The Killers is better than NLOTH. The National's Boxer is better. Muse's Black Holes and Revelations is better. Just about any Sigur Ros album is better. That doesn't take away from NLOTH being a really good album. It just means that U2 isn't at a place in their career, like they were in 1987, 1991, or 1997, where they are the best thing going.

I think that Revolver made a really good post (although I disagree with his opinion of NLOTH), and yet you shot him down for just stating an opinion. Revolver said it best when he said:

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Just because I dislike No Line on the Horizon, and I like The Killers and Kings of Leon, that means I have bad taste? Just because I don't see eye-to-eye with you doesn't mean that I have a lesser opinion than you. And just because you're older doesn't mean your opinion to music means more than anyone else's. An opinion is an opinion, and this an online forum meant to express opinions. You need to grow up.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Van the Man Fan on April 28, 2009, 06:42:14 PM
I don't think you can compare any band to U2 right now.  No one is even close. 
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: MrsBrown on April 28, 2009, 06:58:06 PM
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The biggest thing for me is to give them room to grow [...] please don't try to tell them how to grow. That is, and always has been, up to them.

I certainly don't have the cojones to attempt to tell the band how to grow.  But what you're saying presupposes that this album is actually a sign of growth.  It's just my opinion, but I don't see it that way.  Rather, I see the album as a collection of a lot of previous U2 tropes - the repeated presence of chanted, Eno-esque "ohs" which first appeared on Pride, Edge's borrowed riffs from "The Fly" and "Walk On," the clumsy attempt by "Boots" to repeat the success of "Vertigo" - all assembled into a package that isn't sure what it wants to be.  All throughout this album, I keep being struck by how it sounds like U2 trying to grow, but repeating themselves instead.  Which isn't to say I think it's a horrible album; I certainly don't.  But I also certainly don't see it as anywhere near their best, as the band evidently does.  And I won't even comment on how it measures up to Daniel Lanois's comment that the term "rock and roll" will have to be redefined in the wake of the album.  Sorry if I seem overly negative about it - I guess this is what happens when you wait nearly five years for a new album from your favorite band, only to be disappointed by it.  I'd be much more accepting of mixed bags if they released them every couple of years.  In fact, if they just forced themselves to put out more albums, instead of fussing over them to the point of obsession, maybe they would grow more.  Oops...I guess I just did tell them how to grow.  OK, strike that.   ;)

Well put.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 08:49:05 AM
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And to clarify to everyone, I'm not saying U2 should quit, and I'm a very big U2 fan...I just don't like their new album, and I don't believe that anyone has the throne of the biggest rock band in the world right now...I believe that it's empty; it's up for grabs. And for any band to take it, whether it be Kings of Leon, The Killers, Coldplay, or any band for that matter, has to really step it up and make a strong leap in order to take it

I guess your too young to know good quality music. NLOTH is better than any of the offerings of these bands you mentioned.  And you got to stop writing posts that U2's throne is up for grabs.  I laughing so hard I almost pee'd myself.  You can even see it in the bands eyes when they give interviews and are asked about these bands. They just say nice things to be courteous but deep down, you know they are thinking that if this is all we have to worry about we got no worries. When asked about these very same bands,  Bono even said in an interview with MTV europe in Paris in 2005 during the HTDAAB promo and photo shoot that these bands have got to step up and U2 are not going to make it easy for them.  He then went on to say that how sad is it going to be in 5 years time(which is now) and we are sitting at this same table being interviewed and still talking about U2 being the best and the biggest with a sly grin.  Call it confidence,cockiness or arrogance, but it is the truth.

You don't even know my musical tastes besides the 5 bands that have been mentioned in this conversation. I find it extremely arrogant for you to presume that I don't know quality music.

That would be like me saying you don't know grammar because you used "your" instead of "you're"

Just because I dislike No Line on the Horizon, and I like The Killers and Kings of Leon, that means I have bad taste? Just because I don't see eye-to-eye with you doesn't mean that I have a lesser opinion than you. And just because you're older doesn't mean your opinion to music means more than anyone else's. An opinion is an opinion, and this an online forum meant to express opinions. You need to grow up.

I congratulate on trying to use what believe is "a look in the band's eye" in order to support your argument. The same "look" that you claim to see may mean a million different things to a million different people. Or someone else may not see that look at all.

It may be the truth in your book, perhaps. But the truth is not black or white in this situation. Many other people on this forum would say it's the truth, because this is a U2 site. But many other people would not agree with it being the truth. This is what I mean about it being "gray".



I'm not using the look in the band's eye to support my argument but Bono said this himself in 2005 that in 5 years time we will still be the best and the biggest. like I said with a sly grin.  5 years has gone by and I guess he wasn't lying as they are about to embark on the biggest tour in rock history something that the killers, kol or Coldplay can never claim.  Like I said earlier maybe Brandon Flowers can get the job of Bono's water boy during this tour so he can see up close and personal how the big boys do it.  The truth hurts but just accept it.  Next thing you are going to say is that the Jonas Brothers are about to dethrone U2.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: DGordon1 on April 29, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Boom boom, what's with the arrogance? To tell someone they're "too young to know quality music" is very condescending. You're making out that someone lacks intelligence or knowledge because they don't share your opinions on music, which is pretty small-minded.
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Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 11:12:01 AM
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Boom boom, what's with the arrogance? To tell someone they're "too young to know quality music" is very condescending. You're making out that someone lacks intelligence or knowledge because they don't share your opinions on music, which is pretty small-minded.

Oh! let me guess. Another one who thinks the Killers and Kings of Leon are going to dethrone U2.
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Post by: Revolver7 on April 29, 2009, 11:33:29 AM
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I'm not using the look in the band's eye to support my argument but Bono said this himself in 2005 that in 5 years time we will still be the best and the biggest. like I said with a sly grin.  5 years has gone by and I guess he wasn't lying as they are about to embark on the biggest tour in rock history something that the killers, kol or Coldplay can never claim.  Like I said earlier maybe Brandon Flowers can get the job of Bono's water boy during this tour so he can see up close and personal how the big boys do it.  The truth hurts but just accept it.  Next thing you are going to say is that the Jonas Brothers are about to dethrone U2.

How you can you say never? Nobody knows the future. U2 has been around for almost 30 years. Back in their early days, I'm sure there were people who thought they wouldn't make it as big as they did

At the WarChild Concert, Bono performed with The Killers and Coldplay...and they were performing a Killers song. I'm not saying U2 has anything to learn from The Killers, but The Killers are definitely their own band. And I also would say that the Kings of Leon are their own band as well.

Mostly, you've presented your opinions, or you've criticized my taste in music. What is there to accept besides the fact that you don't respect people's opinions and that you think you're better than everyone else?

And I absolutely hate The Jonas Brothers   :D

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Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 11:53:05 AM
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I'm not using the look in the band's eye to support my argument but Bono said this himself in 2005 that in 5 years time we will still be the best and the biggest. like I said with a sly grin.  5 years has gone by and I guess he wasn't lying as they are about to embark on the biggest tour in rock history something that the killers, kol or Coldplay can never claim.  Like I said earlier maybe Brandon Flowers can get the job of Bono's water boy during this tour so he can see up close and personal how the big boys do it.  The truth hurts but just accept it.  Next thing you are going to say is that the Jonas Brothers are about to dethrone U2.

How you can you say never? Nobody knows the future. U2 has been around for almost 30 years. Back in their early days, I'm sure there were people who thought they wouldn't make it as big as they did

At the WarChild Concert, Bono performed with The Killers and Coldplay...and they were performing a Killers song. I'm not saying U2 has anything to learn from The Killers, but The Killers are definitely their own band. And I also would say that the Kings of Leon are their own band as well.

Mostly, you've presented your opinions, or you've criticized my taste in music. What is there to accept besides the fact that you don't respect people's opinions and that you think you're better than everyone else?

And I absolutely hate The Jonas Brothers   :D



It's okay for you to like these band but to say they can dethrone U2 without having achieving anything of significance is just and insult to a band who has accomplished everything there is to in this business.
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Post by: DGordon1 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:15 PM
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Boom boom, what's with the arrogance? To tell someone they're "too young to know quality music" is very condescending. You're making out that someone lacks intelligence or knowledge because they don't share your opinions on music, which is pretty small-minded.

Oh! let me guess. Another one who thinks the Killers and Kings of Leon are going to dethrone U2.

No, your presumptiousness is misguided. U2 are far and away my favourite band. What I had an issue with was your attitude towards Revolver7, simply because he doesn't share your musical preferences.

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Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 04:23:52 PM
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Boom boom, what's with the arrogance? To tell someone they're "too young to know quality music" is very condescending. You're making out that someone lacks intelligence or knowledge because they don't share your opinions on music, which is pretty small-minded.

Oh! let me guess. Another one who thinks the Killers and Kings of Leon are going to dethrone U2.

No, your presumptiousness is misguided. U2 are far and away my favourite band. What I had an issue with was your attitude towards Revolver7, simply because he doesn't share your musical preferences.



Okay, maybe I came off a bit harsh about the comments on musical taste of Revolver 7,  just trying to push some buttons.  I apologize .  But you got to admit when he said that there is a vacancy for Biggest band in the world and that the possibility of these bands to take it from U2 because they are better right now is quite absurd and ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.  What is your opinion.  I have no problem with anyone arguing that bands like Stones, Who, Floyd, Police etc.  were better bands because these artists were some of the biggest and most influential bands of their time as is U2.  I don't see it in these new bands yet.
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Post by: u2bonoman on April 29, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
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Okay, maybe I came off a bit harsh about the comments on musical taste of Revolver 7,  just trying to push some buttons.  I apologize .  But you got to admit when he said that there is a vacancy for Biggest band in the world and that the possibility of these bands to take it from U2 because they are better right now is quite absurd and ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.  What is your opinion.  I have no problem with anyone arguing that bands like Stones, Who, Floyd, Police etc.  were better bands because these artists were some of the biggest and most influential bands of their time as is U2.  I don't see it in these new bands yet.

The Killers have been VERY influential for the past 5 years... AND they are better than U2 right now. U2's best years were 1984, 1987, 1991, 1993, and 1997. They are still releasing good stuff, and NLOTH is the best thing to come from them in 12 years, but I'm tellin ya, two of the albums from The Killers are better than NLOTH. What's so absurd and ridiculous about that? Because U2 released it, it must automatically be the best stuff on the planet? THAT'S absurd and ridiculous.

The Killers are only into their third record. It took four albums for U2 to get real acclaim and five to become a phenomenon. I like NLOTH as much as the next guy, but it's not that innovative. It has some fresh tracks, but only fresh in U2 world, and ONLY because of the weaknesses of the last two records.

So please, tame down the glee long enough to see that others, who love the band just as much as you do, who have great taste in music just like you claim to, might have something to offer in the way of an opinion, and it's just as valid as yours.
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Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
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Okay, maybe I came off a bit harsh about the comments on musical taste of Revolver 7,  just trying to push some buttons.  I apologize .  But you got to admit when he said that there is a vacancy for Biggest band in the world and that the possibility of these bands to take it from U2 because they are better right now is quite absurd and ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.  What is your opinion.  I have no problem with anyone arguing that bands like Stones, Who, Floyd, Police etc.  were better bands because these artists were some of the biggest and most influential bands of their time as is U2.  I don't see it in these new bands yet.

The Killers have been VERY influential for the past 5 years... AND they are better than U2 right now. U2's best years were 1984, 1987, 1991, 1993, and 1997. They are still releasing good stuff, and NLOTH is the best thing to come from them in 12 years, but I'm tellin ya, two of the albums from The Killers are better than NLOTH. What's so absurd and ridiculous about that? Because U2 released it, it must automatically be the best stuff on the planet? THAT'S absurd and ridiculous.

The Killers are only into their third record. It took four albums for U2 to get real acclaim and five to become a phenomenon. I like NLOTH as much as the next guy, but it's not that innovative. It has some fresh tracks, but only fresh in U2 world, and ONLY because of the weaknesses of the last two records.

So please, tame down the glee long enough to see that others, who love the band just as much as you do, who have great taste in music just like you claim to, might have something to offer in the way of an opinion, and it's just as valid as yours.


It is just your opinion that the killers last 2 albums is better than NLOTH and that they are better than U2 right now. You shouldn't speak for everyone.  How many times do you want U2 to re-invent themselves. they already done it more times than any band will do it in their whole career.  And on the live front have the killers done anything near the innovative tours of Zoo Tv and Popmart and now 360.  They are out of their league on this front.  U2 are the biggest live attraction in the world. Even if they can outsell U2 in the albums dept., until they can do a innovative tour and even come close to doing a tour on the scale as U2 or the Stones they will never be elevated to superstar status as U2 and the Stones and bands of the past like Who, Floyd Police, Springsteen etc.   This is what makes big bands.
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Post by: Revolver7 on April 29, 2009, 04:59:03 PM
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I don't see it in these new bands yet.

Just because you do not see it doesn't that others do not. And just because you do not see it doesn't mean it's not there.

The Beatles were the band that made me love music. I love and respect classic rock. About 1/2 my CD collection is comprised of albums released before 1980. I believe that U2's 80's and 90's stuff is untouchable. But just because you were untouchable at one time doesn't mean you remain untouchable forever.

I love U2, but I don't love them blindly. For that matter, I don't love any band blindly. If a band makes a bad record, then I'll state my opinion on it.

I'm sure there are many people who would be insulted by you comparing U2 to the Stones, Pink Floyd, and The Police. I'm not saying that I myself am insulted, but what I am saying is that musical taste is purely subjective. A band that is are musical gods to one person may be hated by another person.
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Post by: Revolver7 on April 29, 2009, 05:01:48 PM
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IAnd on the live front have the killers done anything near the innovative tours of Zoo Tv and Popmart and now 360.  They are out of their league on this front.  U2 are the biggest live attraction in the world. Even if they can outsell U2 in the albums dept., until they can do a innovative tour and even come close to doing a tour on the scale as U2 or the Stones they will never be elevated to superstar status as U2 and the Stones and bands of the past like Who, Floyd Police, Springsteen etc.   This is what makes big bands.

The Zoo TV tour was 11 years after U2's first album. Popmart was 17 years after their first album. The Stones' biggest tours took place 30 and 40 years after their first album.

The Killers first album hasn't even been out for 5 years yet.

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2bonoman on April 29, 2009, 05:02:50 PM
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It is just your opinion that the killers last 2 albums is better than NLOTH.   

Why, yes it is. I think you've cracked the secret code, by golly.

Of course it's just my opinion, just like it is just your opinion that NLOTH is better than The Killers' stuff.

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How many times do you want U2 to re-invent themselves.

I guess as many times as they'd like? I'm not under the impression that the four members of U2 are gods, so I know they can and will make mistakes. I also know that they have given us more great music than anyone could ever ask for or expect out of a band.

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And on the live front have the killers done anything near the innovative tours of Zoo Tv and Popmart and now 360.  

Gee, when did U2 start having these innovative tours? It was 7 albums into their career. As I stated previously, The Killers have only given us three. These are three albums that (in my opinon) are a million times better than U2's first three albums. If they keep going as strong as they are now, who's to say they can't do innovative tours like Zoo TV? It is possible they can and will.

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Even if they can outsell U2 in the albums dept., until they can do a innovative tour and even come close to doing a tour on the scale as U2 or the Stones they will never be elevated to superstar status as U2 and the Stones and bands of the past like Who, Floyd Police, Springsteen etc.  

Do you have any perspective? How long did it take these bands to become superstars? U2 formed in 1976. They became semi-superstars about 8 years later, and MEGA superstars 3 years after that.

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on April 29, 2009, 05:07:22 PM
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I don't see it in these new bands yet.

Just because you do not see it doesn't that others do not. And just because you do not see it doesn't mean it's not there.

The Beatles were the band that made me love music. I love and respect classic rock. About 1/2 my CD collection is comprised of albums released before 1980. I believe that U2's 80's and 90's stuff is untouchable. But just because you were untouchable at one time doesn't mean you remain untouchable forever.

I love U2, but I don't love them blindly. For that matter, I don't love any band blindly. If a band makes a bad record, then I'll state my opinion on it.

I'm sure there are many people who would be insulted by you comparing U2 to the Stones, Pink Floyd, and The Police. I'm not saying that I myself am insulted, but what I am saying is that musical taste is purely subjective. A band that is are musical gods to one person may be hated by another person.
I don't follow U2 blindly.  Wasn't really big on Zooropa and Pop as some people are but I'm in for the long haul, all the ups and downs and always will be but your just wrong on NLOTH.  Time will vindicate it.  It is among the best with Achtung and Joshua Tree, UF, War.  I can remember people bashing AB when it came out.  look what happened with that one.
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Post by: Revolver7 on April 29, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
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Time will vindicate it.  It is among the best with Achtung and Joshua Tree, UF, War.  I can remember people bashing AB when it came out.  look what happened with that one.

Nobody knows what time will do.

That was Achtung Baby; that was 1991. This is No Line; this is 2009.

Some People may have bashed Achtung Baby...but it still did really well immediately, with lots of radio play and album sales. The Fly conquered rock radio...Boots, which often compared to the Fly, did not

You also have to look at the flip side of the coin; an album that is praised at first can just as easily be left with a bad legacy
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Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on April 29, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
some good points..but i would say that Boots did a lot better on radio than The Fly. And at least when the FLY was out Rock ruled the radio. That's not the case anymore. Rock radio is really struggling. Or even nearly extinct in some areas of the U.S. at least.
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Post by: DGordon1 on April 30, 2009, 05:11:15 AM
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Boom boom, what's with the arrogance? To tell someone they're "too young to know quality music" is very condescending. You're making out that someone lacks intelligence or knowledge because they don't share your opinions on music, which is pretty small-minded.

Oh! let me guess. Another one who thinks the Killers and Kings of Leon are going to dethrone U2.

No, your presumptiousness is misguided. U2 are far and away my favourite band. What I had an issue with was your attitude towards Revolver7, simply because he doesn't share your musical preferences.



Okay, maybe I came off a bit harsh about the comments on musical taste of Revolver 7,  just trying to push some buttons.  I apologize .  But you got to admit when he said that there is a vacancy for Biggest band in the world and that the possibility of these bands to take it from U2 because they are better right now is quite absurd and ridiculous. That's all I'm saying.  What is your opinion.  I have no problem with anyone arguing that bands like Stones, Who, Floyd, Police etc.  were better bands because these artists were some of the biggest and most influential bands of their time as is U2.  I don't see it in these new bands yet.

Well I have to admit I'm not a Killers fan, although I quite a liked a couple of songs off their first album. I don't regard them as being on the same ballpark as U2. I think Kings of Leon are better, but Because Of The Times was much better than Only By The Night imo. I think there are better bands than these two to potentially challenge U2. I would say Radiohead, but they really operate in a different area; they're not really contemporaries for U2 since much of their music isn't very accessible. One of my favourite bands is Arcade Fire, who although aren't challenging U2 at the moment,  I think they have a lot of potential. I'd agree though that there aren't many worthy challengers to U2 just now. I'm not saying nobody writes any music as good as U2's, but in terms of mainstream music, nobody is as good at balancing their musical ambitions with the pressures of being one of the biggest bands in the world. I don't think any of the challengers have the confidence to do that just now.
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Post by: boom boom on April 30, 2009, 07:41:17 AM
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some good points..but i would say that Boots did a lot better on radio than The Fly. And at least when the FLY was out Rock ruled the radio. That's not the case anymore. Rock radio is really struggling. Or even nearly extinct in some areas of the U.S. at least.

Great point.  Even in the song Kite, the last verse they sing, We're the last of the rock stars, when hip-hop drove the big cars.  If it wasn't for U2 rock may be completly dead.  Killers and KOL should thank U2 for giving them a least a chance.
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Post by: StrongGirl on April 30, 2009, 07:56:44 AM
I think the band should keep doing exactly what they are doing-making music that they feel proud of. Some of us will love it and some of us won't , but being true to themselves is what I always loved and admired about U2.  I also think they are one of the few bands around in the rock music business who respect their fans and most especially women !  When they decide it is time for them to stop, I will be very sad but grateful that I had the opportunity to join them on this wonderful journey that lasted more than 30 years!!!
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Post by: MrsBrown on April 30, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
Please move this to The Killers forum.  I don't give rat's posterior about those pantywaisted popinjays.  I truly don't.  Not my sippy-cup of tea.


Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: aurabender on May 01, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
what bono and the band should do now.. the future :

1) The group should do a live concert during their 360 tour, ala Pop Mart or Zoo TV.

2) Quietly release the "meditative" Songs Of Ascent tracks on i-tunes only, with little or no promotion - and little or no expectations of anyone bu die hard fans buying it. (Even better, crush the greedy image that has been thrown about by releasing the songs online for free!)

3) Make it clear that "Spiderman- The Musical" is/was NOT a U2 project.

4) Once Bono accepts his Tony Award, the group should lock themselves away in a studio in some urban jungle, such as Tokyo or New York, anywhere where they would not be comfortable or at least fee familiar - and start playing very loud

5) A 12-step program may be required, but the group should kick their Lanois and Eno addiction and go find a producer they have never worked with - like Billy Corgan or Jack White and make a dozen kick ass rock songs that make you think, but that you can actually shake your butt too!


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Post by: InThisHeartland on May 01, 2009, 07:44:32 PM
cool! they should work with Timbaland LCD Soundsystem. now THAT would be different/awesome!
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Post by: MrsBrown on May 01, 2009, 08:00:26 PM
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what bono and the band should do now.. the future :

1) The group should do a live concert during their 360 tour, ala Pop Mart or Zoo TV.

2) Quietly release the "meditative" Songs Of Ascent tracks on i-tunes only, with little or no promotion - and little or no expectations of anyone bu die hard fans buying it. (Even better, crush the greedy image that has been thrown about by releasing the songs online for free!)

3) Make it clear that "Spiderman- The Musical" is/was NOT a U2 project.

4) Once Bono accepts his Tony Award, the group should lock themselves away in a studio in some urban jungle, such as Tokyo or New York, anywhere where they would not be comfortable or at least fee familiar - and start playing very loud

5) A 12-step program may be required, but the group should kick their Lanois and Eno addiction and go find a producer they have never worked with - like Billy Corgan or Jack White and make a dozen kick ass rock songs that make you think, but that you can actually shake your butt too!




I'm likin' this
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:06:22 AM
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i believe the games over and bono should grow old gracefully making the odd one off public appearance maybe in a similar fashion to leonard cohen, perhaps where a hat around?
the band should just let there credibitibilty and influence grow, they wont be forgetten.

release songs of ascent then gracefully hand over the reigns to the killers and kings of leon

            This is nuts. Bono is 48, Edge is 47, Adam 49, Larry 47. In the 21st century, that is far from being old or needing to retire. The band are producing their best work at the moment and are playing fantastic live. The album is the biggest seller of 2009 so far, and the new tour will become the highest grossing and highest attended tour of all time.

              The Killers and Kings Of Leon are currently light years from U2's position, and certainly are not competitive at the moment for being handed any sort of a reign.
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Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:08:49 AM
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Make the kinds of albums they're capable of - not like the last 2

In order to make the albums they're capable of, it needs to be their higher priority.

I'm pleasantly surprised NLOTH is as good as it is (which isn't great) after HTDAAB, given all their distractions: Bono's politicking, U2 Tower, Clarence hotel, Malibu construction projects, endless vacations, etc.

No, I'm NOT criticizing them for all of the above, just saying that the last time music seemed to be #1 priority in their lives seemed to be with Pop, which woul dexplain why nothing has been as good since. I'm sure they're still capable of it, they just need to want it.





         POP was a low point for the band, although it was a good album. If anything, music has been a much higher priority over the past ten years than it was in the late 1990s.
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Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:26:29 AM
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Now, I'm trying to get anyone angry or upset, but if you ask most kids my age (17) which rock bands they like, you usually here Coldplay, Kings of Leon, or The Killers mentioned. I've only known 1 person in real life who likes U2, and that's because I got that person into their music

Of course, U2 will always by the biggest band to those who love them, and to a certain age group, but I feel like they've lost of lot of their influence on young people overall.

I mean, right now, U2's new album has sold around 780,000 copies. Viva La Vida has sold around 2 and a 1/2 million copies. Day & Age has sold about 600,000 copies. And Only by The Night has sold around 570,000 copies (and that's bound to go up)

My point is, things on the Rock N' Roll Throne are not as clear cut as they used to be. U2's new material hasn't really made a significant impact with single sales or radio play, while The Killers, Kings of Leon, and Coldplay have.

U2 has the bigger tour numbers, but they've been around for almost 30 years, and they have a big catalog of older songs that people want to see live.

While I'm not a fan of No Line, I'm not attacking U2 or anything like that. I'm just saying, the idea of U2 being the biggest rock band in the world isn't as undisputed as it used to be

           Well, looks like you need a refresher on the facts in 2009. To start off, here are the top selling albums so far in 2009 in the United States:


WEEK 17

Rank - Sales - TITLE - Artist
01 - 1,008,187 - FEARLESS - Taylor Swift
02 - 853,244 - NO LINE ON THE HORIZON - U2
03 - 750,283 - TWILIGHT - Soundtrack
04 - 691,645 - DARK HORSE - Nickelback
05 - 658,835 - HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE - Soundtrack
06 - 653,586 - I AM…SASHA FIERCE - Beyonce
07 - 584,627 - THE FAME - Lady GaGa
08 - 526,198 - UNSTOPPABLE - Rascal Flatts
09 - 519,824 - WORKING ON A DREAM - Bruce Springsteen
10 - 508,678 - ALL I EVER WANTED - Kelly Clarkson
11 - 501,839 - THE FRAY - The Fray
12 - 492,900 - INTUITION - Jamie Foxx
13 - 475,554 - 808S AND HEARTBREAK - Kanye West
14 - 413,830 - NOW 30 - Various
15 - 411,306 - CIRCUS - Britney Spears
16 - 401,337 - A DIFFERENT ME - Keyshia Cole
17 - 380,224 - PAPER TRAIL - T.I.
18 - 338,587 - FUNHOUSE - Pink
19 - 334,664 - NOW 29 - Various
20 - 331,475 - LOVE VS MONEY - The-Dream
21 - 326,397 - WE SING WE DANCE WE STEAL THINGS - Jason Mraz
22 - 314,995 - ONLY BY THE NIGHT - Kings Of Leon
23 - 300,742 - FREEDOM - Akon
24 - 294,587 - VIVA LA VIDA OR DEATH AND ALL HIS FRIENDS - Coldplay
25 - 294,499 - DAVID COOK - David Cook
26 - 293,833 - DEFYING GRAVITY - Keith Urban
27 - 280,505 - SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE - Soundtrack
28 - 278,120 - 19 - Adele
29 - 277,698 - LOTUS FLOW3R - Prince
30 - 257,160 - THE FOUNDATION - Zac Brown Band
31 - 255,894 - TAYLOR SWIFT - Taylor Swift
32 - 255,881 - YEAR OF THE GENTLEMAN - Ne-Yo
33 - 254,347 - THA CARTER III - Lil' Wayne
34 - 252,325 - MAMMA MIA - Soundtrack
35 - 246,927 - ROCK N ROLL JESUS - Kid Rock
36 - 246,765 - LOVE ON THE INSIDE - Sugarland
37 - 241,763 - LEARN TO LIVE - Darius Rucker
38 - 234,068 - ONE OF THE BOYS - Katy Perry
39 - 228,600 - GOOD GIRL GONE BAD - Rihanna
40 - 222,248 - RAISING SAND - Robert Plant & Alison Krauss
41 - 220,479 - CARNIVAL RIDE - Carrie Underwood
42 - 218,656 - WHEN THE WORLD COMES DOWN - All-American Rejects
43 - 213,696 - IN A PERFECT WORLD - Keri Hilson
44 - 213,346 - TESTIMONY:VOL 2-LOVE AND POLITICS - India.Arie
45 - 210,118 - THE LAST KISS - Jadakiss
46 - 202,461 - QUIET NIGHTS - Diana Krall
47 - 196,100 - 2009 GRAMMY NOMINEES - Various
48 - 186,071 - SWAN SONGS - Hollywood Undead
49 - 181,919 - SCARS AND SOUVENIRS - Theory Of A Deadman
50 - 180,213 - DEATH MAGNETIC - Metallica
51 - 179,058 - IT'S NOT ME IT'S YOU - Lily Allen
52 - 178,967 - THAT LONESOME SONG - Jamey Johnson
53 - 177,581 - THEATER OF THE MIND - Ludacris
54 - 176,716 - HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 3: SENIOR YEAR - Soundtrack
55 - 175,332 - FEEL THAT FREE - Dierks Bentley
56 - 174,391 - DAY AND AGE - Killers
57 - 173,490 - THE POINT OF IT ALL - Anthony Hamilton
58 - 172,661 - SOUL - Seal
59 - 171,822 - WIDE OPEN - Jason Aldean
60 - 167,261 - JENNIFER HUDSON - Jennifer Hudson
61 - 164,635 - DA REALIST - Plies
62 - 164,527 - GREATEST HITS VOLUME 1 - Rascal Flatts
63 - 163,920 - KIDZ BOP 15 - Kidz Bop Kids
64 - 159,579 - UNCLE CHARLIE - Charlie Wilson
65 - 158,027 - DEEPER THAN RAP - Rick Ross
66 - 154,507 - LADY ANTEBELLUM - Lady Antebellum
67 - 151,474 - INCREDIBAD - Lonely Island
68 - 150,296 - FOREVER IN THE DAY - Day26
69 - 150,050 - GOLD-GREATEST HITS - Abba
70 - 150,027 - BLACK ICE - AC/DC
71 - 149,612 - EVOLVER - John Legend
72 - 147,686 - FOLIE A DEUX - Fall Out Boy
73 - 146,813 - SPIRIT - Leona Lewis
74 - 140,916 - THE SOUND OF MADNESS - Shinedown
75 - 138,783 - WRATH - Lamb Of God
76 - 137,414 - THE REBIRTH - Bobby V
77 - 136,182 - ISOULJABOYTELLEM - Soulja Boy Tell'em
78 - 135,100 - FEARLESS - Jazmine Sullivan
79 - 134,575 - NOTORIOUS - Soundtrack
80 - 133,937 - ONMYRADIO - Musiq Soulchild
81 - 132,200 - GREATEST HITS - Guns N'Roses
82 - 131,113 - THE PROMISE - Il Divo
83 - 128,450 - GREATEST HITS - Journey
84 - 128,215 - UGK FOR LIFE - UGK
85 - 127,605 - 3D CONCERT EXPERIENCE - Jonas Brothers
86 - 125,932 - THE RECESSION - Young Jeezy
87 - 124,368 - ORACULAR SPECTACULAR - MGMT
88 - 123,745 - DAVID ARCHULETA - David Archuleta
89 - 123,100 - TEN - Pearl Jam
90 - 122,644 - R.O.O.T.S. (ROUTE OF OVERCOMING THE STRUGGLE) - Flo Rida 
91 - 121,460 - GOOD TIME - Alan Jackson
92 - 119,909 - THR33 RINGZ - T-Pain
93 - 119,822 - TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT - Hinder
94 - 119,100 - ROCKFERRY - Duffy
95 - 119,013 - ALL HOPE IS GONE - Slipknot
96 - 118,294 - SAVING ABEL - Saving Abel
97 - 116,450 - LEGEND - Bob Marley & the Wailers
98 - 113,724 - MIDDLE CYCLONE - Neko Case
99 - 113,164 - LUCKY OLD SUN - Kenny Chesney
100 - 112,323 - INDESTRUCTIBLE - Disturbed


                        Worldwide, U2 has the biggest selling album so far of 2009 by over 1 million copies! U2 are as popular or more popular at the moment than the rest of the competition as compared to the position they were in, in May 1987. That is what the sales figures show. Sales by everyone are down because of the new business environment, but relative to the competition, U2 are as popular as they have ever been!

                        Also, the fact that U2 are about to go on the highest grossing highest attended tour in history is not some fluke as you describe it. Its the ultimate evidence that they are the most popular band in the world. Yes, they have been around for nearly 30 years WHICH HAS GIVEN THE POPULATION PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE THEM LIVE. The only way you can continue to sell tickets at the level they do given that fact, is if you are the most popular artist on the planet, and that continues to be the position they hold.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:29:37 AM
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I'm 39 years old, so I don't care what groups that people age 17 like or dislike even though U2 may want to attract this group.  I'm more of a classic rock listener so I couldn't even name you 2 songs from those 3 groups you mentioned.  I do know that they not in the same class as U2, Stones, Who etc.  Although U2 may not sell as many records as they used to or against some of these bands you mentioned, they are without a doubt the biggest live attraction in the world which in my opinion carries more weight than album sales when determining "the biggest band in the world" as this actually shows the amount of people willing to come out and see you play.  Coldplay, killers, kings of leon are miles behind U2 on this level.  There was an article actually a few years back in my local paper in Toronto on U2 and what goes into the Biggest band in the world status and album sales was actually lower down the list after how big a concert draw you are, influence on a generation and critical acclaim from not only the press but your peers.  It went on to say that U2 will probably the last Big band that we see and when they retire it will be time to turn off the stadium lights.  The undisputed and still heavyweight rock band in the world, without a doubt-U2.  Those other band can compete in the middleweight division.  By the way wasn't that impressed by KOL when the opened up for U2 during Vertigo.  If that is their main threat U2 has nothing to worry about. 

If being the biggest live act was all that was necessary to be the biggest band in the world, then U2 would have never taken the title from The Rolling Stones in the first place

Rolling Stone named U2 "the band of the 80's" in 1985. They were an incredible live act at that time, but their tours weren't the biggest ticket sellers, compared to Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, and other bands who were big at the time.

My point is, there's more to being the biggest band than ticket sales or album sales. It's much deeper than that.

And also, "biggest band" and "best band" are not synonymous. A news paper article in Toronto may have it's opinion that there will never be another big band, but as long as music is being made, there definitely will be. It's foolish logic, in my opinion, to say "there will never be this.." or "there will never be that..." because frankly, none of us know

Every generation has its own band. While there are some people of "my" generation who listen to U2, U2 is definitely not "the band" of my generation, and their new material isn't really influencing our generation. It's not like how it was with the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. Those albums influenced lots of bands and artists.



                 Being the biggest band in the world or biggest artist in the world is determined by an equal combination of album sales and concert ticket sales. U2 arrived at that point in 1987. In 1987 worldwide, the Joshua Tree Tour showed U2 were a stronger ticket seller than Dire Straits, Bruce Springsteen and nearly equal to the Stones. The Joshua Tree album was a huge seller, selling 4 times what the latest Stones release would sell. To this day, they have continued to hold that position, by having the strongest combined ticket sales/Album sales of the latest album/tour in the industry!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
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More people will see this concert by the time it's done than any other concert in history and will make the most money in concert going history.
That gives them the title of "Biggest Band in The World".


If that was all that made a band the Biggest Band in The World, then U2 would be getting the title for the first time just now. The Rolling Stones "A Bigger Bang Tour" grossed more than Vertigo, and was seen by more people...

Do you see what I'm saying?

           The only reason "A Bigger Bang Tour" grossed more and was seen by more people is because the Stones played more shows and exhausted demand to see them in the market. In contrast to the Stones tour, nearly every U2 show was soldout the day it went on sale. Outside the USA and Canada, U2 attendance was higher and the gross was equal to the Stones tour. U2 could have played more shows but chose not to.

            Once the attendance and gross figures come in for U2 360, you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
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Sorry Revolver7, you were right with the higher grossing tour but not with the attendace figures. The Stones made more money than U2 due to the much higher average price of their tickets. Their nose bleed seats were cheaper but almost every other ticket was way more expensive than what U2 fans are complaining about with the 360 tour lately.
More people witnessed the Vertigo Tour than A Bigger Bang.
But also... if U2 is going to shatter all concert records with this tour and still outsell or match all artists that have released albums since this downshift in the economy,( Coldplay  ) doesn't count again due to it's release before the bottom fell out, then that alone pretty well answers the question to this thread thaat was started.  They should continue to do what they are doing right now... keep making albums and touring because again, they match other relevent artists since the down turn and destroy everybody in concert attendance and soon to be sales.
This could turn out to shatter A Bigger Bang by a couple hundred million if not more.

Do you know what the exact numbers of the attendance figures are? It said the Vertigo Tour sold 4,619,021 tickets. The Rolling Stones played to 2 Million People at a concert in Rio de Janeiro alone...

I'm not trying to be an a**hole. I've just never seen it said anywhere that more people witnessed the Vertigo Tour

And as far as albums go, I'm not just talking about Coldplay. I'm aware that you can't compare June of 2008 to March of 2009. That's why I also mentioned Kings of Leon and The Killers. No Line is outselling Day & Age and Only By The Night by about 180,000 copies. 

Now, when it comes to album sales, you can't say that U2 is the biggest band in the world just because of a relatively small lead. Back in '91, U2 was widely considered the biggest band in the world. Achtung Baby only sold 8 million copies, while other rock contemporaries such as Pearl Jam and Nirvana sold 13 Million copies and 10 million copies with their albums that were released at the same time.

U2, in my opinion, was considered the biggest band back then because of the quality of their music and their innovation. The were part of the culture, part of the times, part of the Zeitgeist. 

Zoo TV was a great success, as far as ticket sales go, but it was outsold by other Rolling Stones tours in the 90's (Voodoo Lounge and Bridges to Babylon)

And that pretty much sums up my point; you can be the biggest band in the world without having the highest grossing tour, or the highest selling album, because you also have to take into account the artistic merit of music, the quality of the music, the impact of the music, and the influence that it has on the culture

               The artistic merit of the music is a subjective question. Who is actually the biggest band in the world, the most popular band in the world, is a question that can be answered with objective facts of album sales and concert ticket sales. Both are combined in assessing who is on top. By the way, Nevermind by Nirvana was certified for 4 million in sales in the USA at the end of U2's ZOO TV tour in 1993, while Achtung Baby was at 5 million. Pearl Jam's TEN was only at 5 or 6 million back then either. The sales levels you mention only came many years later after the artist had long since finished promoting the records. Worldwide at the time, Achtung Baby outsold TEN.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 08:40:24 AM
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Sorry again Revolver7 but you're not comparing apples with apples again. Anybody and their mother will come to any concert including Rio De Janero especially when it's FREE! Yes free, that shouldn't even be included with their tour. If that was the case then shouldn't Paul Simon be the king if you include his Central Park free shows in NY?
And getting back to album sales, if they are selling 180,000 more copies than the supposed heirs to their throne, then I would say to keep on rocking because they're still on top.
And by the way The Stones played to 3,623,849 people with 114 shows. Like I said, Vertigo played to much more and just imagine if U2 charged what the Stones charged.
Just Google it if you don't believe me.

You said that the Vertigo Tour was witnessed by "more people". You didn't specify ticket sales. To witness is to see with your own eyes.

I did google it, actually. It said The Rolling Stones a Bigger Bang Tour sold 4.68 million tickets.That's 4,680,000. Vertigo, it says, sold 4,619,021 tickets.

These are my sources:
http://www.huliq.com/37065/rolling-stones-tour-breaks-attendance-records
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_tour

What are yours?

And before you say that it was a small margin, in your above message, you claim that a 180,000 lead of album sales keeps U2 on top. According to your logic, I guess a nearly 61,000 tickets keeps the Stones on top (That isn't my opinion, of course...but that's how it is according to your logic)


            The difference is that U2 could have continued the Vertigo Tour, while the Stones had completely exhausted the market to see them with A Bigger Bang. We know this because nearly every U2 show soldout on the day it was put on sale, showing that there was unmet demand in the market. The Stones by contrast played to many half full stadiums in Europe on their last leg there, and also struggle to sell tickets to their last shows in North America. Their last show in Chicago at Soldier field only sold 29,000 tickets!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: boom boom on May 04, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
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I'm 39 years old, so I don't care what groups that people age 17 like or dislike even though U2 may want to attract this group.  I'm more of a classic rock listener so I couldn't even name you 2 songs from those 3 groups you mentioned.  I do know that they not in the same class as U2, Stones, Who etc.  Although U2 may not sell as many records as they used to or against some of these bands you mentioned, they are without a doubt the biggest live attraction in the world which in my opinion carries more weight than album sales when determining "the biggest band in the world" as this actually shows the amount of people willing to come out and see you play.  Coldplay, killers, kings of leon are miles behind U2 on this level.  There was an article actually a few years back in my local paper in Toronto on U2 and what goes into the Biggest band in the world status and album sales was actually lower down the list after how big a concert draw you are, influence on a generation and critical acclaim from not only the press but your peers.  It went on to say that U2 will probably the last Big band that we see and when they retire it will be time to turn off the stadium lights.  The undisputed and still heavyweight rock band in the world, without a doubt-U2.  Those other band can compete in the middleweight division.  By the way wasn't that impressed by KOL when the opened up for U2 during Vertigo.  If that is their main threat U2 has nothing to worry about. 

If being the biggest live act was all that was necessary to be the biggest band in the world, then U2 would have never taken the title from The Rolling Stones in the first place

Rolling Stone named U2 "the band of the 80's" in 1985. They were an incredible live act at that time, but their tours weren't the biggest ticket sellers, compared to Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, and other bands who were big at the time.

My point is, there's more to being the biggest band than ticket sales or album sales. It's much deeper than that.

And also, "biggest band" and "best band" are not synonymous. A news paper article in Toronto may have it's opinion that there will never be another big band, but as long as music is being made, there definitely will be. It's foolish logic, in my opinion, to say "there will never be this.." or "there will never be that..." because frankly, none of us know

Every generation has its own band. While there are some people of "my" generation who listen to U2, U2 is definitely not "the band" of my generation, and their new material isn't really influencing our generation. It's not like how it was with the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. Those albums influenced lots of bands and artists.



                 Being the biggest band in the world or biggest artist in the world is determined by an equal combination of album sales and concert ticket sales. U2 arrived at that point in 1987. In 1987 worldwide, the Joshua Tree Tour showed U2 were a stronger ticket seller than Dire Straits, Bruce Springsteen and nearly equal to the Stones. The Joshua Tree album was a huge seller, selling 4 times what the latest Stones release would sell. To this day, they have continued to hold that position, by having the strongest combined ticket sales/Album sales of the latest album/tour in the industry!
That is what I was saying all along but Revolver 7 just doesn't get it with his absurd opinions on KOL, Killers dethroning U2.  Believe me U2 are sleeping well at night if this all the competition they have to worry about.  I think Paul McGuinnes said in an interview in 2005 that if this was boxing, U2 consider themselves the undisputed heavyweight champions of the world and they plan on retiring the champions.  If anyone thinks they can take the title, just declare yourself and step in the ring.  Just be prepared for the fight of your life.

My Prediction:

Kings of Leon:  1st round TKO.  Maybe they should change their name to Princes of Leon.  Not quite the  King Yet.
Killers:  Severely bloodied during the first round.  Knocked out 20 seconds into the 2nd round. Commentators are confused why they call themselves Killers.  Maybe we will find out in the re-match.  Yeah right.
Man, I didn't even get to finish my beer it got over so quickly.
Still undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World-U2!!
Can we find some real competition please!!
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on May 04, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
The Killers Day & Age and Kings of Leon Only By The Night were released in 2008. The chart info posted above covers sales from 2009.

Those are only small fractions of the overall sales of both those albums. By not covering 2008, you leave out first week numbers, and many many weeks worth of numbers.

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Revolver7 on May 04, 2009, 06:21:39 PM
And Boom Boom, the difference between you and I is that I present my opinion and numbers. You present your opinion as the only right one, and then you attack me personally.

Seriously dude, you definitely need to grow up. This is forum where topics are debated. Only trolls claim to have the know-all end-all opinion on an issue

This is a conversation about whether U2 is still "the biggest band in the world" or "the best band in the world"
Both of those topics are subjective.

If this were a conversation about "who sells the most numbers", you would be correct, because numbers are facts.

However, I'm not talking about just numbers. I use numbers in some of my arguments to support and show where my opinions have come from. But I sure as hell don't call you absurd or ignorant

Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Carrick on May 04, 2009, 07:13:31 PM
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The Killers Day & Age and Kings of Leon Only By The Night were released in 2008. The chart info posted above covers sales from 2009.

Those are only small fractions of the overall sales of both those albums. By not covering 2008, you leave out first week numbers, and many many weeks worth of numbers.




     1.  I know they were released in 2008, but I think your forgetting that NLOTH has only been out for 8 weeks. So its not exactly accurate to be comparing the sales level of an album that has been out 22 weeks and another one that has been out 31 weeks to an album that was just released 8 weeks ago.

     2. So, lets put them on a more level playing field and compare each albums first 8 weeks in the United States, even though Killers and Kings will benefit from having their albums released in 2008 when the market for selling albums was stronger as well as the holiday season:

No Line On The Horizon - first 8 weeks in USA - 853,244

Only By The Night - first 8 weeks in the USA - 210,335

Day And Age - first 8 weeks in the USA - 492,504

                    So, even though Killers and Kings released their albums in a better market environment in 2008, had the benefit of the Christmas holiday sales, a younger fan base that scoops up product earlier, both albums are still far behind where No Line On The Horizon's current sales are after 8 weeks when all 3 albums are put on a comparitive 8 week scale.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: MrsBrown on May 04, 2009, 07:37:43 PM
pi**ing contest. Snore.

http://www.fanforum.com/f234/
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: aurabender on May 12, 2009, 09:41:53 PM
I am not sure what all the numbers being bandied about have to do with the topic of the thread. Besides if numbers of tickets sold or albums sold is what we are going to measure a group by, then neither U2 or The Killers would likely come out on top.  It is really apples and oranges anyway. U2 just on their history alone, is by far a more successful, more popular group than The Killers. However it could just as easily be stated that The Killers are far more popular at this juncture in their career, than U2 where at the some point in their career - in a tougher music business environment by the way.
If I can push things back to the topic a bit, I think U2could easily reach the same people The Killers and others are reaching, if they waned too, if they decide to stop playing to the choir.

Also in my first post I think I said U2 should do a love show on this tour like in Zoo TV and Pop Mart. I am an idiot, obviously they are doing live shows. I mean to say live broadcast.

So, what SHOULD the band do now?
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Starfish on May 12, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
Whatever they want, really.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Lesmo on May 13, 2009, 05:13:57 PM
If they stop using Eno as a band memebr, that'll do for me...
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: u2matters on May 13, 2009, 05:56:09 PM
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If they stop using Eno as a band memebr, that'll do for me...


I would fear that. ps. what did u personally think of NLOTH?
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on May 13, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
make 2009 and 10 theirs'.
Title: Re: what bono and the band should do now.. the future
Post by: Lesmo on May 14, 2009, 01:43:25 AM
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If they stop using Eno as a band memebr, that'll do for me...


I would fear that. ps. what did u personally think of NLOTH?


Edge's guitar is lost in several tunes. And Eno's keyboard take the space of Edge's guitar... A bit like Zooropa but with the difference that Edge was directing everything there and then... Some of the songs have grown in me with days but it's not the kind of record I will listen in a year time. I only regularly listen to the Bside verions of NLOTH and Cedars... and fro time to time White as snow