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Title: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on April 26, 2009, 11:03:53 PM
The first time I heard Fez, I thought it lacked a bit. That's not the case anymore, I thinks it is one of the best songs on the album (along with Magnificent, Breathe, and No Line), and probably the most experimental and fresh. At first it might seem like an experiment going too far and becoming an abstract muddle of sounds, but after a few spins, I began to absolutley love it. I have read that many people dislike Fez, but I want to know how many think it is one of the best on the album. :)
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: StrongGirl on April 26, 2009, 11:08:49 PM
I like it too aqcua949! It has so many rich layers and is quite beautiful. I applaud the band for stepping outside the box. I really think you have to listen to it carefully to really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: DGordon1 on April 27, 2009, 03:26:38 AM
It's a great song, one of their best for years imo.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: countrygirl on April 27, 2009, 06:18:03 AM
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The first time I heard Fez, I thought it lacked a bit. That's not the case anymore, I thinks it is one of the best songs on the album (along with Magnificent, Breathe, and No Line), and probably the most experimental and fresh. At first it might seem like an experiment going too far and becoming an abstract muddle of sounds, but after a few spins, I began to absolutley love it. I have read that many people dislike Fez, but I want to know how many think it is one of the best on the album. :)

From the moment I heard this song, I absolutely loved it!!  It is actually my favorite on the whole album.  I hope they play it during the tour.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: DGordon1 on April 27, 2009, 07:23:44 AM
I think it should open the show. The Fez intro would be awesome live!
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: wrldchamps04 on April 27, 2009, 07:26:59 AM
I like it alot....as it grew on me more and more...seems like a middle of the set song to me...
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: u2bonoman on April 27, 2009, 07:42:35 AM
I enjoy this song quite a bit... I just think it ends too soon.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Bundang Dave on April 27, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind an extended version, too. I'm not sure that I'd consider it all that experimental, though. It reminds me too much of The Unforgettable Fire (which is a great thing) to call it 'experimental.'
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: ABloodRedSky on April 27, 2009, 09:37:45 AM
I also love it. It's one of the most-played songs off the album on my iPod  ;D
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Belisama on April 27, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
I still maintain this would be a great song to open the shows. . . .
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Thunder Peel on April 27, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
It's my second-favorite song on the album (after Breathe) and I'd be thrilled to hear it live.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: u2matters on April 27, 2009, 11:12:26 AM
absolutely the best song on the album for me too
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 27, 2009, 01:29:22 PM
I have to differ with the majority here and say it's probably my least favourite song on the album. It lacks the raw power and passion that carries so many of the songs, and is less intense than even other quieter numbers like 'Lebanon' and 'White as Snow'.

Though I do quite like the unique intro.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: jimyjazz on April 27, 2009, 01:35:20 PM
it's great. If only it were longer because so much momentum gets built.  It'll be great live.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: u2wire on April 27, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
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I think it should open the show. The Fez intro would be awesome live!

I agree, but also think it should have been the first song on the album.  Imho, Fez was the perfect song to begin an album with. The way it starts slowly and with its clever use of lyrics like "let me in the sound" followed by primal screams and "being born" references-amazing! This might also be a great opening song for the new tour. My only gripe with the song is that it feels too short just like Cedars...it takes the time to set an incredible mood that just doesn't last long enough sadly. Awesome song :)
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on April 28, 2009, 12:26:00 AM
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I think it should open the show. The Fez intro would be awesome live!

I agree, but also think it should have been the first song on the album.  Imho, Fez was the perfect song to begin an album with. The way it starts slowly and with its clever use of lyrics like "let me in the sound" followed by primal screams and "being born" references-amazing! This might also be a great opening song for the new tour. My only gripe with the song is that it feels too short just like Cedars...it takes the time to set an incredible mood that just doesn't last long enough sadly. Awesome song :)

Yeh, I completely agree about the opening thing- it would set the tone well for the album, but I get why they chose No Line to open.
They probably kept the song short because the album was already very long. I think Fez should have been shorter whereas *sigh* Unknown Caller should have been shorter.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: drummer120 on April 28, 2009, 05:33:44 AM
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I enjoy this song quite a bit... I just think it ends too soon.

Yeah it is kinda short,  :-\ But it still is pretty good.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: efdeat on October 28, 2009, 05:25:22 PM
I caught the closing chords of Fez from a computer in a distant room last night, just between the space on my Shuffle between Drowning Man and Lemon.  Those chords reminded me how much life is in this song and how sonically and lyrically rich it is.  WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR FEZ???  I think it could follow one of the acoustic numbers in the set, allowing us to contemplate a little more before we rocked out again.  2010, perhaps?
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: eddyjedi on October 28, 2009, 05:33:31 PM
Being Born is great but Fez is a load of rubbish with that silly 'let me in the sound' refrain. Garbage. I like being born a lot though.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: thehype88 on October 28, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
no argument here
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: IFeelNumb on October 28, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
It's my favorite song on the album. There are plenty of good ones, but Fez-Being Born just has the "it" factor for me. I'd like to see them add it to the set list in 2010.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Boom Cha! on October 28, 2009, 07:00:41 PM
I didn't care for the song the first time I heard it. I thought they were trying too hard to have a "creative" song.

It's recently grown on me, but it still has some growing for me to consider it a solid track from them.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: U2alwaysforever on October 28, 2009, 07:02:17 PM
It's just a shame it was never played live, sorry if im spoiling anyone here (Vancouver people reading the forum driving to the show lol). But i think a lot of us knew it wouldnt be recreated live. I'm planning my first trip to Africa next year and although i wont be going to Fez im glad ill have this song as a soundtrack. its an amazing piece.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Achtung40Life on October 28, 2009, 07:19:50 PM
Is Fez a different song than Tripoli? Tripoli has been described as lunching between opera music that inevitably breaks into stadium rock. Sounds like a description of Fez...
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: eddyjedi on October 28, 2009, 07:31:48 PM
I've heard Tripoli, it's on youtube, it's awesome
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Achtung40Life on October 28, 2009, 07:37:07 PM
link?
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: eddyjedi on October 28, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGKrDb5aLc

Bono is singing and playing guitar, it's in rough form. It's the clip before the unknown caller chanting which sounds so much better than the final cut!
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Achtung40Life on October 28, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
“Tripoli”
This strikingly experimental song lurches between disparate styles, including near-operatic choral music, Zooropa-style electronics, and churning arena rock.

That's the exact quote from Rolling stone, to me sounds identical to Fez. I hope it's a different song though because I'm always looking forward to 'out-there' U2 music.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: deco20 on October 29, 2009, 06:12:51 AM
When I first heard Fez, I was blown away! The riff is probably the most militaristic riff I have ever heard. I could imagine the tanks and armies marching to it. Then came the melody with Bono coming in with his howling. Hauntingly beautiful.

Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: jackofhearts on October 29, 2009, 09:40:20 AM
Yeah Fez is pretty great.  For me I think it's the only song that fits the cover art.  Whenever I hear I can just imagine a movie montage floating over the ocean...gray sky etc. 
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: shockdocta22 on October 29, 2009, 05:00:58 PM
its a great song, but i dont think its as experimental as most people say...
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on October 30, 2009, 11:24:40 PM
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Yeah Fez is pretty great.  For me I think it's the only song that fits the cover art.  Whenever I hear I can just imagine a movie montage floating over the ocean...gray sky etc. 
Fez and Nloth do that for me.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on October 30, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
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its a great song, but i dont think its as experimental as most people say...
It's the type of thing that gets that. SUC is probably more experimental, but barely anyone thinks that.
However, I do think the lyrics and the structure of the lyrics are kinda different, although, a bit close to some of TUF stuff I guess.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: U2non on October 31, 2009, 07:30:02 AM

Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Achtung40Life on October 31, 2009, 08:28:47 AM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: U2non on October 31, 2009, 08:31:15 AM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.

I think you're exactly right. It could have been something great but just doesn't get there...
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Achtung40Life on October 31, 2009, 08:37:12 AM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.

I think you're exactly right. It could have been something great but just doesn't get there...

But songs like FEZ, No Line, and Disappearing Act give me hope at what they can accomplished on albums to come. Even Kingdom of Our Love sounds like a great piece, I justy hope they don't make the same mistakes twice.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: pfctsqr on October 31, 2009, 08:58:34 AM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.

I think you're exactly right. It could have been something great but just doesn't get there...

But songs like FEZ, No Line, and Disappearing Act give me hope at what they can accomplished on albums to come. Even Kingdom of Our Love sounds like a great piece, I justy hope they don't make the same mistakes twice.

And I think the only way to not repeat these mistakes is to switch production teams.  Godrich maybe?  Or maybe Edge can do it himself.  Eno is not helping them anymore.  I get the impression the chorus on UC was his idea.  He should be sued for that one.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: DGordon1 on October 31, 2009, 01:33:02 PM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.

I think you're exactly right. It could have been something great but just doesn't get there...

But songs like FEZ, No Line, and Disappearing Act give me hope at what they can accomplished on albums to come. Even Kingdom of Our Love sounds like a great piece, I justy hope they don't make the same mistakes twice.

And I think the only way to not repeat these mistakes is to switch production teams.  Godrich maybe?  Or maybe Edge can do it himself.  Eno is not helping them anymore.  I get the impression the chorus on UC was his idea.  He should be sued for that one.

The lyrics in the chorus were different initially; they're on youtube without the computer references when the song was still being recorded. I do feel sometimes that the album is a bit confused as a whole, but I honestly like every song on it, and love about 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on October 31, 2009, 04:39:51 PM
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Fez is just about where U2 got interesting on the album.

No Line and Fez hint at what U2 can do. The rest falls into a black hole of terrible production, risible lyrics and average songs

I'd also add White as Snow in there and then I agree, sadly. I wish I could like the songs, but they are just too overproduced and polished. The ideas are great; Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, Magnificent, Breathe. They just missed the mark in the production of the songs, and the fact that some of the album wants to be mainstream while the other songs want to be sort of experimental confuses the listener. It's not a horrible album, I still listen to it as often as any U2 album, it just really hurts when you know what it COULD have been, and what it is instead.

I think you're exactly right. It could have been something great but just doesn't get there...

But songs like FEZ, No Line, and Disappearing Act give me hope at what they can accomplished on albums to come. Even Kingdom of Our Love sounds like a great piece, I justy hope they don't make the same mistakes twice.
As I have said before, it is clear as day that they haven't lost their artistic spark at all; they are still being innovative with ideas, even if they don't all come out properly. It is really great to think about that.
I just hope they don't make the same mistakes twice. Magnificent is great but damn it could have been something. I think the original Breathe is better than the finished one (even though I love Breathe). What I think is the problem here is not the producers, but more the time spent retooling songs, over-thinking it, overproducing it. Just do it the way of Zooropa... if you have great ideas, go make them into songs, and get them out there. SOA should be done quickly. The quicker it's released the better the quality of the album.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: An Cat Dubh on October 31, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Maybe! For me its a toss up between Fez, No Line On The Horizon, Unknown Caller and Cedars Of Lebanon
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: The Exile on November 01, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
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What I think is the problem here is not the producers, but more the time spent retooling songs, over-thinking it, overproducing it. Just do it the way of Zooropa... if you have great ideas, go make them into songs, and get them out there. SOA should be done quickly. The quicker it's released the better the quality of the album.

Spot on.

I've pointed this out before, but much of U2's most interesting and challenging work is done really quickly. In my view, outside of NLOTH the best stuff the band has done this decade is from The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack. Last decade they did OS1 by The Passengers and, as you mention, Zooropa.

My concern is that if they agonize for two years over SOA we'll get a bunch of songs that sound like Stand Up Comedy. I like that song OK, but it's anything but interesting and challenging in my view.
Title: Re: Fez- Being Born is the best song on NLOTH
Post by: Aqua on November 01, 2009, 02:20:01 AM
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What I think is the problem here is not the producers, but more the time spent retooling songs, over-thinking it, overproducing it. Just do it the way of Zooropa... if you have great ideas, go make them into songs, and get them out there. SOA should be done quickly. The quicker it's released the better the quality of the album.

Spot on.

I've pointed this out before, but much of U2's most interesting and challenging work is done really quickly. In my view, outside of NLOTH the best stuff the band has done this decade is from The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack. Last decade they did OS1 by The Passengers and, as you mention, Zooropa.

My concern is that if they agonize for two years over SOA we'll get a bunch of songs that sound like Stand Up Comedy. I like that song OK, but it's anything but interesting and challenging in my view.
Kingdom Of Your Love is straight out of the oven- and it's brilliant. I read that SUC started out really Moroccan. Is it just me or would NLOTH be better, and be viewed as more experimental and fresh, if they had a more Moroccan song instead of the so-so SUC?
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Post by: pfctsqr on November 01, 2009, 08:27:55 AM
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What I think is the problem here is not the producers, but more the time spent retooling songs, over-thinking it, overproducing it. Just do it the way of Zooropa... if you have great ideas, go make them into songs, and get them out there. SOA should be done quickly. The quicker it's released the better the quality of the album.

Spot on.

I've pointed this out before, but much of U2's most interesting and challenging work is done really quickly. In my view, outside of NLOTH the best stuff the band has done this decade is from The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack. Last decade they did OS1 by The Passengers and, as you mention, Zooropa.

My concern is that if they agonize for two years over SOA we'll get a bunch of songs that sound like Stand Up Comedy. I like that song OK, but it's anything but interesting and challenging in my view.
Kingdom Of Your Love is straight out of the oven- and it's brilliant. I read that SUC started out really Moroccan. Is it just me or would NLOTH be better, and be viewed as more experimental and fresh, if they had a more Moroccan song instead of the so-so SUC?

Here here!!!!   I thought that was why they spent time in Morocco.  The only Moroccon influence on the album is the first 50 seconds of UC and Fez.  There should have been more than that.  SUC should have been shelved.  "Stand Up...then sit down...for your love"....and "soul rockin people"  makes me cringe.  I cant listen to the song anymore.
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Post by: Achtung40Life on November 01, 2009, 08:50:30 AM
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What I think is the problem here is not the producers, but more the time spent retooling songs, over-thinking it, overproducing it. Just do it the way of Zooropa... if you have great ideas, go make them into songs, and get them out there. SOA should be done quickly. The quicker it's released the better the quality of the album.

Spot on.

I've pointed this out before, but much of U2's most interesting and challenging work is done really quickly. In my view, outside of NLOTH the best stuff the band has done this decade is from The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack. Last decade they did OS1 by The Passengers and, as you mention, Zooropa.

My concern is that if they agonize for two years over SOA we'll get a bunch of songs that sound like Stand Up Comedy. I like that song OK, but it's anything but interesting and challenging in my view.
Kingdom Of Your Love is straight out of the oven- and it's brilliant. I read that SUC started out really Moroccan. Is it just me or would NLOTH be better, and be viewed as more experimental and fresh, if they had a more Moroccan song instead of the so-so SUC?

Here here!!!!   I thought that was why they spent time in Morocco.  The only Moroccan influence on the album is the first 50 seconds of UC and Fez.  There should have been more than that.  SUC should have been shelved.  "Stand Up...then sit down...for your love"....and "soul rockin people"  makes me cringe.  I cant listen to the song anymore.

The album flows a whole lot better if you take out Crazy Tonight and Stand Up, and add Winter. It's just a shame, all the studio video clips of U2 jammin in Morocco sound so raw and, well, Moroccan. It seems to me as if all songs started out from that rawness, and were weathered down to the 'song' we're hearing on No Line. Not only is it overproduced, but the track listing is horrible, absolutely horrible. Here's how I've been listening to the album lately;

1. Fez Being Born
2. Get On Your Boots
3. Breathe (ideally would have preferred the beach version)
4. Magnificent
5. No Line on the Horizon (Version 2)
6. Moment of Surrender
7. White As Snow
8. Unknown Caller
9. Winter
10. Cedars of Lebanon

But I absolutely agree, the sooner we get SOA, the better the material will be. If they don't finished it before the 3rd leg, we're in trouble. That's when they second guess themselves and you know where it goes from there. Pop and Zooropa had deadlines, and look at the material we got from those albums. Arguably U2 in their nudest state. U2 should once again tell themselves 'this album has GOT to be finished before we start touring again, no exceptions, period, if it's unfinished, that's how we'll release it.' They could potentially strike gold with their next album, or they might try handing us fools gold in a year or two. They inevitably control their own destiny.