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Title: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: BillyB on June 19, 2009, 05:33:25 PM
I’ve been following closely the rehearsal setlists lately and I am quite happy with what I see.  It’s very exciting.  A few weeks ago I was going to write this letter about what they should not play in their sets instead of the usual “what I would like to hear” that everyone else is writing about. 

I was strongly against them playing Bullet the Blue Sky this time around as it has become a tired cliché in their live act.  I quite enjoyed it during the Zoo TV tour as well as Popmart and the song seemed to fit on those tours.  The last two tours it was them shoving this song down our throats like it’s some kind of monster hit and we’re dying to hear it.  It hit an absolute low point on the last tour as it was played much slower and Edge’s solo during the song had reached new levels of boredom.  It was definitely “the beer song”.  Now I know what you’re saying, “it’s not on the current setlists”, which brings me to my next point. 

For some reason when they tour, they seem compelled to make part of the show “the angry U2 part of the show”.  I just saw today, Sunday Bloody Sunday being rehearsed and my alarm bells went off.  Will we be subjected to another “angry” part of the show?  I hope not.  I am tired of the message that comes with these shows.  There are wars going on and it sucks.  I don’t need U2 to remind me.  Don’t get me wrong though, I do like Sunday Bloody Sunday.  I just didn’t like how that group of songs (Love and Peace, Sunday, Bullet, Sarajevo) were packaged on the last tour.  That part of the setlist never changed.  Does anyone know why Bullet was so special to them all these years?

The other thing is the preaching of politics.  Now I applaud Bono for everything he has done for his campaign for Africa, but they are his politics, not mine.  I am paying for a rock concert and to be entertained, not preached at.  I talked to people that had never before been to a U2 concert and the Vertigo tour was their first and the reaction I received was that is was pretty good except for all the talking.  There is an enormous global recession going on and for $250.00, $95.00, or whatever you paid, I would like to be entertained by a rock concert, not a political rally. 

I think we should hold our favourite band a little bit more accountable, so that they do not dish out the same thing every five years when they decide to tour again.   This tour has the potential to be great.  Let’s hear more from that deep catalogue of music. 

BB

Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on June 19, 2009, 05:56:57 PM
I respect your opinion but I completely disagree with everything you said.

As much as I dont like the slowing down of Bullet, it still is one of their most popular songs.  I see no reason why they shouldnt play it.  The fact that there are wars going on proves that an angry part of U2 needs to be played.  Bullet and SBS will help balance the concert out too, instead of 23 pop/soft rock tunes.  Throw in some of those powerful songs that get us (at least me) pumped up.

The preaching you speak of needs to stay because..thats Bono.  I want the whole Bono in September, the activist, humanitarian, and rocker.  Activism is such a huge part of his life, let him do it.  If you dont wanna hear preaching, dont come, cause you know he's gonna, and I cant wait to hear it
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: BillyB on June 19, 2009, 06:03:27 PM
Your point is just as valid as mine.  It is proof that there is a diversity among the fans.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way as well as yourself.  I don't think it's appropriate to tell a fan not to attend based on an opinion. 
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on June 19, 2009, 06:04:36 PM
I didnt mean it in a negative way...dont worry
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: U2-obsessed and proud on June 19, 2009, 06:06:05 PM
The preaching can be your "beer song"
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: Joe90usa on June 19, 2009, 10:40:24 PM
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Does anyone know why Bullet was so special to them all these years?

It's the favorite song of Paul McGuine$$ - I'm sure that's a critical reason why it has been played virtually every set since it was released.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: JoshuaTree94 on June 19, 2009, 10:44:14 PM
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The preaching can be your "beer song"

I think Dirty Old Town, sung by Larry, is a grand Irish beer song. ;)
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: eddyjedi on June 20, 2009, 08:12:43 AM
I think his solo sounded amazing last tour, Hendrix like, he should bring back a little more scratching though
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: highway190 on June 20, 2009, 08:32:03 AM
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I think his solo sounded amazing last tour, Hendrix like, he should bring back a little more scratching though

The solo last tour? Hahahaha. Compared to JT-Elevation? The solo and the song were a complete piece (oooo lets play this slower so it will be more dramatic) last time around. The anger was gone from Bullet and it become part of the lounge act that was LAPOE/SBS/BTBS.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: aurabender on June 20, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
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I think his solo sounded amazing last tour, Hendrix like, he should bring back a little more scratching though
That is the one reason I like that they keep this song around in the line up. It's one of the few traditional "rock" solos that Edge puts down, and he always does it so well.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: evilways811 on June 20, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
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Your point is just as valid as mine.  It is proof that there is a diversity among the fans.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way as well as yourself.  I don't think it's appropriate to tell a fan not to attend based on an opinion. 

I agree with the preaching part. I had no problem with it in the past because it was kept to a minimun during Zoo TV and Popmart, but when Bono did it, it was in an ironic, sarcastic and almost arrogant way, which made it fun and cool. Ever since Elevation his preachings have become too overly serious and dull.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: BillyB on June 20, 2009, 10:16:10 PM
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Your point is just as valid as mine.  It is proof that there is a diversity among the fans.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way as well as yourself.  I don't think it's appropriate to tell a fan not to attend based on an opinion. 

I agree with the preaching part. I had no problem with it in the past because it was kept to a minimun during Zoo TV and Popmart, but when Bono did it, it was in an ironic, sarcastic and almost arrogant way, which made it fun and cool. Ever since Elevation his preachings have become too overly serious and dull.

I agree.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: sister moon on June 20, 2009, 10:56:05 PM
Yeah, I'm really tired of bullet too.  Funny as it has taken on different names....."Beer Break"  and we refer to it as "the Bathroom Break song".  I'm so tired of hearing it, when it comes on my DVD's I skip past it.  The political stuff was ok last tour, I don't think Bono talked that long and it was incorporated well into the songs.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: hurricane hugo on June 21, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
you pay for U2, you get U2. don't like it, stay home. they owe you nothing.

#@!
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: u2pinstripes on June 21, 2009, 02:01:24 AM
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you pay for U2, you get U2. don't like it, stay home. they owe you nothing.

#@!

I disagree.  They owe all of us alot.  If it wasn't for their fans (especially the die hards on here) they would be nowhere as far their musical careers are concerned.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: mbeano on June 21, 2009, 02:25:01 AM
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you pay for U2, you get U2. don't like it, stay home. they owe you nothing.

#@!

I disagree.  They owe all of us alot.  If it wasn't for their fans (especially the die hards on here) they would be nowhere as far their musical careers are concerned.

pfft!  You, we are owed nothing.  You/I paid for an album and we got that.  You/I paid for a shirt and we got that.  I dont expect more than what I paid for on that particular purchase.

If I buy a car from Honda I dont expect Honda to do anything more than give me a properly running car with tall the options I paid for.  I dont feel OWED as a customer, for them to cater to every suggestion I have on their next model.  As a company they should listen to feedback based on statistics on what the majority of customers want, if they want to continue selling.  However, there are certain aspects of making thier next car, that the majority of customers dont know crap about, and in the end Id rather have Honda make those decisions when making the car, then when they are done, I will decide if I like it... that simple.  Companies can listen to some suggestions, mainly the ones that the majority wants but they shouldnt listen to everything.  Artists, even less so... otherwise they wouldnt be artists, they would just be musical reactionists.

You and I chose to buy the products on our own.  I dont want an artist to pander to me.

Now things like fanclub offering are slightly different, as it would be smarter from a business perspective to listen to what fans want in terms of product offerings like tickets, cds, shirts etc... because this is not a creative process on the bands part.  Anything creative like an album, a tour, the band should follow its own instincts, its what makes them a band, sets them apart.  YOU AND I are owed nothing, just as they are owed nothing when it comes to me deciding if I will purchase an album or ticket.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: briscoetheque on June 21, 2009, 06:01:20 AM
They won't play bullet.

By the end of Vertigo it was even being left out.

It's tired, old and stands for nothing anymore. Time marches on.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: wrldchamps04 on June 21, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
They are what they are....sometimes political ? YES (and always have been, to some degree) sometimes preachy? YES.......entertaining? YES (almost always)......all of these things at a U2 Live show? YES......don't get all "upset" when it happens, you know it's coming.....they "owe" nothing to anybody, love 'em or hate 'em for , They Are What They Are......and I'll be there!
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: rlj1010 on June 21, 2009, 01:41:39 PM
I enjoy Bullet The Blue Sky live, but for the sake of variety, I do hope they drop it.

A good percentage of U2 concertgoers are repeat attendees, and they've experienced Bullet numerous times already.

I'd prefer them to keep their show fresh, and play something that's skipped a few tours, in its place.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: Achtung_Habs on June 21, 2009, 01:57:08 PM
They should drop Bullet and bring back Exit !!  Now that's one angry song !
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: briscoetheque on June 23, 2009, 12:44:43 AM
Bravo. Good call.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: garciaricky0019 on June 23, 2009, 02:46:32 AM
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They should drop Bullet and bring back Exit !!  Now that's one angry song !

God Part II has a snappy feel to it too!!
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: eddyjedi on June 23, 2009, 06:59:31 AM
They should play silver and gold instead of bullet, it's amazing. It's the most pure rock and roll song going by the boys.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: jick on June 23, 2009, 08:08:37 AM
It is indeed a very welcome development for them to drop Bullet The Blue Sky.

Their act of putting Until The End Of The World and New Year's Day together is getting old and tired.  It's good that they have rested those songs for now.  The setlist so far looks very fresh and exciting.

I really applaud U2.

The full band Walk On also truly deserves to be back on the setlist.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: eddyjedi on June 23, 2009, 08:26:51 AM
I want the proper 'hallelujah' addition to Walk on at the close as well, not the slane version, the other one. It makes the song even better.
Title: Re: An Opinion Regarding the Tour
Post by: rodander on June 23, 2009, 08:31:08 AM
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The other thing is the preaching of politics.  Now I applaud Bono for everything he has done for his campaign for Africa, but they are his politics, not mine.  I am paying for a rock concert and to be entertained, not preached at.  I talked to people that had never before been to a U2 concert and the Vertigo tour was their first and the reaction I received was that is was pretty good except for all the talking.  There is an enormous global recession going on and for $250.00, $95.00, or whatever you paid, I would like to be entertained by a rock concert, not a political rally. 


Only time I've seen them was the Vertigo tour, and I was actually surprised by how little preaching there was (I expected more).  And to the extent that Bono preached, it was an ink-blot test -- anyone could find a way to agree with what he said regardless of your viewpoint (I'm probably to the right of d**k Cheney, and I was OK with all of it).  So if he does preach, and does so in the same honest style, that's not what I'm there for but it's OK -- it's part of the soul of the show.

And a U2 show is what rock n roll is all about.  Music with soul and energy, and a huge connection between the performers and the crowd.  

P.S. They can play what they want, AFAIAC.  It'll be good -- I trust them.