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Title: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: StrongGirl on December 29, 2008, 01:58:29 AM
I hope I have this in the right topic. What do you all think about the article in @U2 news about Larry criticizing Bono's dealings with Bush and Blair?  I know he has always felt this way, but I feel like the tension with Larry and Bono is getting a bit worse with this most recent article. I'm not used to my U2ers not getting along. I know everyone can't possibly get along all of the time, but I am curious to see what others think. Is it just typical stuff or is something going on here? ???
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Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Starfish on December 29, 2008, 02:15:09 AM
It is kosher to get into political debates here?  :-\ Well, it's not as political as Obama's thread was, but close.

I don't necessarily agree with Larry in everything he said, but I can see his point.
 
I'm sure it's extremely difficult to work with politicians and I'm sure Bono doesn't agree with them in all points, but what is he to do? Tell Bush "you're a war criminal, go to hell!" or be civil and try to get him to help Africa as much as possible. I think Bono is trying to do the best he can with what he has and his situation, and maybe gets carried away sometimes, but I am sure that people who have been helped through Bono's activism appreciate every bit of it.

"Tony Blair is a war criminal and I think he should be tried as a war criminal. "Then I see Bono and him as pals and I'm going, 'I don't like that.' Do I think George Bush is a war criminal? Probably -- but the difference between him and Tony Blair is that Blair is intelligent. So, he has no excuse."  :D

Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Nielsen on December 29, 2008, 02:57:14 AM
I think it's one of those everyday mini scraps they usually have. If it was a full on fight then U2 would have been gone Acthung Baby era - actually Achtung Baby wouldn't exsist at all (oh the the very thought makes we want to cry  :'( :'()

Good to see political fire still in Larry  ;)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: kev346 on December 29, 2008, 03:27:54 AM
I think it's a fair comment from Larry . As much as I understand the reasons Bono hobnobs with politicians and you can't fault what he has achieved for the causes he supports by doing this . It doesn't sit easy with me to see him all smiley smiley with the likes of Bush and Blair, just as a side note it's interesting that he's not been that way to the new prime minister Gordon Brown .
Sometimes it's good to have a friend like Larry to give him a bit of a reality check and if they weren't such good friends Larry would maybe feel he couldn't speak out in such a open manner,especially about Bono's family .
I'm sure Larry means well by it and just wants what is best for Bono and the Band .
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: singnomore on December 29, 2008, 03:44:57 AM
I think its Larry being Larry and I'm sure hes said this stuff to Bono's face before never mind thinking about putting it in print. He is renowned for timing Bono during concerts when he does one of his speeches. As for the politics - I'm not going there but it cant all exist inside a happy bubble.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: bonogirl on December 29, 2008, 05:56:24 AM
Hello.

I'm not sure what I think about this situation.
I know that the media can make anything look like whatever they want.
I know Larry and Bono are great friends.
I know part of being great friends is acceptance.
I know any lifelong relationship takes it's hits.
But most importantly of all, I know Bono is doing what he feels needs to be done. The one thing I have the most difficulty with in life is stepping out of my comfort zone........which is what needs to be done if you really want to make a differance. Now, I want to say that  Bono doesn't HAVE a comfort zone to step out of ;)......but that's not true...so maybe his zone is in regard to the band...or his family. I guess what I want to say is I have great respect for a man who will possibly sacrifice everything for what he believes needs to be done in the name of God. He's the real deal.

One Love,
Bonogirl
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: DGordon1 on December 29, 2008, 06:51:11 AM
The impression I get from Larry is that he isn't shy in telling the other band members how he feels. I don't think it's anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on December 29, 2008, 09:18:22 AM
Personally, I think it's most likely Larry has said even worse stuff to Bono before. But hey, the last time the band had a real rift in it, they produced the best album of their career. If Larry is really slamming Bono, I just can't wait to see how mindblowing NLOTH will be. :D
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: u2yooper on December 29, 2008, 10:18:23 AM
Hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about that article.  I respect Bono's humanitarian work, and believe he is sincere in his efforts.  At the same time, I can see how his fellow band members would get sick of it.  Larry wants to make music, and when Bono is off running around the world, that can't get done.  I'm sure Larry has said as much to Bono.  He doesn't seem like one to mince words.  I have always wondered how he maintains a family life while trying to save the world.  A person can only spread themselves so thin.  when one part of your life gets more attention, by necessity, the other parts get less. 
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: u2yooper on December 29, 2008, 10:26:33 AM
Actually, by the title of this thread I thought it might be a "Celebrity Death Match" kind of thing.  Larry vs. Bono.  Who would win, do you think?   ???
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Boom Cha! on December 29, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Wow. I've never heard Larry be so outspoken before. Good for him. Although it kinda makes me worried when band members start criticizing each other.

I figured the band was tired of Bono trying to be superman, but not like this.


Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: spacejunk on December 29, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
Let's separate the eggs from the chicken sh**.

This is what Larry says about Bono:

"Bono's campaigns have taken their toll on his family life. He is prepared to use his weight as a celebrity at great cost to himself and his family, to help other people. But, as an outsider looking in, I cringe."

"Then I see Bono and [Tony Blair] as pals and I'm going, 'I don't like that.'"

(Six years ago) "[Bono's absence] does interfere with the band. It's a four-legged table, and with one leg missing, even for short periods of time, the thing becomes a little unstable."

On this basis, this is what the reporter says about what Larry says about Bono:

"The normally reserved musician has launched a stinging attack on his frontman."

"This is his most scathing criticism to date."

"His work outside the band has caused a deep rift between Bono and at least one other fellow band member."

You decide.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Aburrow on December 29, 2008, 02:28:58 PM
Yeah, I think a lot of the article is hyperbole and paraphrasing by the reporter, Larry's actual quotes aren't that "scathing" and, as has been pointed out, are probably no worse than what he's said over the year's to Bono's face. It does concern me that B's extracurricular activities disrupt the band from time to time, especially while they are trying to get an album out, which is hard enough. I'm not surprised that Larry or even all three other band mates would have some critical remarks to make about Bono's activities. I've read various comments from Larry over the years that Bono's political "stunts," especially during some live shows, have been very awkward for the other three members of the band. This kind of thing has been going on for a long time. I'm sure it's kind of like when the band couldn't get Bono to stop scaling the rafters or climbing on top of mountains of equipment. They almost fired him for "ruining" their Live Aid performance (or, at least, Bono was afraid he'd be fired). I'm starting to ramble just a bit, but I doubt Bono would be startled by Larry's feelings or remarks.

What bothers me more than anything is the possibility that U2 might be getting whatever energy or time Bono might have "left over" from all his political work. Which comes first, Bono, the politics/humanitarian stuff, or the music? Personally, and, yes, selfishly, I hope it's the music, but I don't know.

(Sorry for all the rambling.)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: bonogirl on December 29, 2008, 03:05:40 PM
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Let's separate the eggs from the chicken sh**.

This is what Larry says about Bono:

"Bono's campaigns have taken their toll on his family life. He is prepared to use his weight as a celebrity at great cost to himself and his family, to help other people. But, as an outsider looking in, I cringe."

"Then I see Bono and [Tony Blair] as pals and I'm going, 'I don't like that.'"

(Six years ago) "[Bono's absence] does interfere with the band. It's a four-legged table, and with one leg missing, even for short periods of time, the thing becomes a little unstable."

On this basis, this is what the reporter says about what Larry says about Bono:

"The normally reserved musician has launched a stinging attack on his frontman."

"This is his most scathing criticism to date."

"His work outside the band has caused a deep rift between Bono and at least one other fellow band member."

You decide.

Well put
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Evil Bono on December 29, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
I don't see anything to be worried about.  Bono's humanitarium work will probably never be OK with Larry and Larry will always let Bono know this.  Like someone posted earlier, I'm sure Larry has said worse things to Bono's face.  I've personally seen people in bands just go off and do their own things hurting the band's gigs and performances so I see Larry's side of things.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Starfish on December 29, 2008, 04:46:18 PM
That's right Evil Bono (I feel funny saying I agree with you when you're Evil  :-\) it's been mentioned many times before that Larry is the one that cares the most about the band and the music, so of course he wants everyone else to give it their 100%.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on December 29, 2008, 05:10:19 PM
I think the story got twisted a tad, i've heard about this earlier but Larry was "uneasy" rather than "angry"

Don't worry, everythings fine.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: whitewave on December 30, 2008, 06:01:10 AM
I think the reporter is trying to create a story where there really isn't one.  To some extent I agree with Larry that the abscence would be hard to deal with, but Bono has also said that he would have dinner with the devil to benefit the cause.  No story.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: ElJayVee on December 30, 2008, 08:34:08 AM
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Actually, by the title of this thread I thought it might be a "Celebrity Death Match" kind of thing.  Larry vs. Bono.  Who would win, do you think?   ???

LOL!  The smart money's on Larry!

Seriously, I agree that it's not a big deal - families and friends have disagreements all the time.  I don't think this will break up the band.  I do think that Larry's words may have been twisted to make the situation sound worse than it is.

Whatever.  Just bring on the album, or at least the single!

~L
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Joe90usa on December 30, 2008, 11:04:35 AM
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I don't see anything to be worried about.  Bono's humanitarium work will probably never be OK with Larry and Larry will always let Bono know this.  Like someone posted earlier, I'm sure Larry has said worse things to Bono's face.  I've personally seen people in bands just go off and do their own things hurting the band's gigs and performances so I see Larry's side of things.

I think Larry is fine with Bono's humanitarian work for the most part, but when it's time to be on the studio or on tour he (rightfully so in my opinion) feels that Bono should be there to contribute. Because Larry feels that Bush and Blair are war criminals, I can see how he feels that any time spent by Bono with them could have a negative impact on the band and Bono himself. It's also possible that Larry feels a good portion of U2 fans agree with him on that point.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Aburrow on December 30, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
I don't want to get into anything too political on this thread, but I have to say I do see Larry's point about Bush and Blair. I'd hate to see any mud sticking to Bono and, by extension, U2, if you see what I mean. (I don't really think this is an actual concern, however.)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Ro~Jo on December 30, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
This may seem a bit odd, but Larry saying that Bono shouldn't negotiate with Bush and Blair reminds me an awful lot of Bush saying the US shouldn't negotiate with dictators.  I mean, sometimes in order to help people you've got to swallow your pride and deal with people you don't agree with.  It's just part of Bono's job as a humanitarian activist, and honestly he probably wouldn't have gotten as far as he has if he hadn't acted friendly toward Bush and Blair

Larry's sort of the critic of the band, isn't he?  Isn't he the one that always trashes OS1 in interviews?
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Dark Angel on December 30, 2008, 11:32:41 AM
I hope everything is gonna be alright!

I do agree with everyone though!
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Aburrow on December 30, 2008, 11:36:13 AM
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Larry's sort of the critic of the band, isn't he?  Isn't he the one that always trashes OS1 in interviews?

I think Larry's the hard man of the band, "the bodyguard," as Bono once referred to him. He's the one, remember, who, back in 03, pushed for a delay in the release of the album that became Atomic Bomb because he didn't think the songs were ready. I think everyone expects Larry to be the hard case, and in that sense, with these Bono remarks, I think he's just doing his duty. It's got to be interesting, being a member of that band!
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: m2 on December 30, 2008, 12:32:57 PM
I wonder if Bono approves of everyone Larry has ever been seen with. :)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Dark Angel on December 30, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
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I wonder if Bono approves of everyone Larry has ever been seen with. :)

Who has he been seen with??
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Aburrow on December 30, 2008, 01:13:05 PM
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I wonder if Bono approves of everyone Larry has ever been seen with. :)

 :D
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: spacejunk on December 30, 2008, 01:24:14 PM
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Larry's sort of the critic of the band, isn't he?  Isn't he the one that always trashes OS1 in interviews?

I'm glad someone mentioned OS1, because back then I think Larry was needing to set the record straight by publicly drawing a line in the sand: "Hey, just because I'm in the band, don't presume that I support this." He seems to be saying the same thing now, and for Bono's sake he's probably been graciously waiting till the end of Bush's reign to say it.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: u2boy11 on December 30, 2008, 01:28:14 PM
The U2 singer responded by calling his critics "cranks carping from the sidelines."

"A lot of them wouldn't know what to do if they were on the field," he said.




I agree with Bono...you can't criticize someone unless you've walked a mile in their shoes. Sure, Bush and Blair made (many) mistakes...but they were trying to do what they believed was right. As much as I love Larry, I don't agree with him politically...

Besides...Bono was never celebrating Blair's or Bush's Iraq plans...he was commending them for their progress in AIDS relief.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: StrongGirl on December 30, 2008, 02:05:58 PM
Thanks u2boy11! I love Larry but I totally agree with you (and m2!)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Anthony02 on December 30, 2008, 02:36:28 PM
I have to say that Larry is way out of line here. Not so much on his comments about Bono. That doesnt faze me. He's been doing that for awhile. But the comments about Blair, and Bush were wrong. If Larry was a US citizen, then Id see his point. Im a democrat, and cannot wait for the Obama administration to start. But Ill keep my opinions about Bush to myself. But I think war criminal is just a bit harsh, and I wouldnt be surprised if U2 lose some fans over these comments. Many Americans realize how bad Bush has f'ed up this country. I just dont need Larry throwing it back in my face. I still love the boys, but as everyone knows talking about politics can be a very touchy subject. But again, everyone is allowed an opinion. And thats mine.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: MEMORY_MAN on December 30, 2008, 02:42:46 PM
I think this is just a hyped up article and is a little on the exaggerating end.  I'm sure Larry disagrees with Bono on some things but in no way is this gonna cause the band to end.  It might cause Larry to hit those drums harder though.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: InThisHeartland on December 31, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
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...you can't criticize someone unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.

Which leads me to one of my favorite sayings:

"Don't criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. So that when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: wallah on December 31, 2008, 03:12:22 PM
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I have to say that Larry is way out of line here. Not so much on his comments about Bono. That doesnt faze me. He's been doing that for awhile. But the comments about Blair, and Bush were wrong. If Larry was a US citizen, then Id see his point. Im a democrat, and cannot wait for the Obama administration to start. But Ill keep my opinions about Bush to myself. But I think war criminal is just a bit harsh, and I wouldnt be surprised if U2 lose some fans over these comments. Many Americans realize how bad Bush has f'ed up this country. I just dont need Larry throwing it back in my face. I still love the boys, but as everyone knows talking about politics can be a very touchy subject. But again, everyone is allowed an opinion. And thats mine.

Just because Larry's not an American citizen doesn't mean he's not entitled to express his own opinion. Given the Bush administration's record on torture and violations of the Geneva Convention, I have no problem with the use of the term war criminal to describe him.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: whitewave on December 31, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
Yeah M2! Who has Larry been seen with??

Honestly in my opinion - the term war criminal is a bit extreme term for either Bush or Blair.  The history books will not be kind.  Decisions were made, not neccessarily ones that I agree with, but they were made.  England as US's allie needed to side with the US at that point.  Things could have been done differently, but we don't have a time machine and can't change them so now is the time to move forward and frankly bring the soldiers home.  I understand Larry's viewpoint though, but realize that there are a lot of gray areas in politics-- it's just choosing which gray area is the right one.  For some reason, I don't think that Bono's private opinions would be that much different than his-- there is simply a bigger war to wage that he is working on  ( the third World war) .
So- they really have no argument  except for time away from the band because we all know they are indviduals.  Besides a little bickering is good for the creative juices!

ps- I will always rally for peace
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Joe90usa on December 31, 2008, 05:50:53 PM
Folks...

We are starting to stray a bit far from the topic here. Whether Bush and Blair are war criminals is a great topic for the Real World portion of the forum if that is a topic you would like to discuss. Let's steer back to the original topic.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: u2yooper on December 31, 2008, 06:48:07 PM
Yeah, I think the original topic was who would kick who's a** in a Celebrity Deathmatch.   ;)  My money is on Bono.  Larry may have the big guns from all that drumming, but Bono is fiery, not to mention stocky.  Plus, I have the feeling he might fight dirty!  *pictures brawl between two rock stars*  * grins*  Oh yeah!  Bono wins!   :D
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: whitewave on December 31, 2008, 07:11:03 PM
How are we straying from the original thread?  It's Larry's opinion vs Bono's isn't it?  The thing is there is no real Larry vs Bono because they are friends- so this belonged in the real world section to start with.  It is interchangeable.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on December 31, 2008, 07:27:36 PM
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I have to say that Larry is way out of line here. Not so much on his comments about Bono. That doesnt faze me. He's been doing that for awhile. But the comments about Blair, and Bush were wrong. If Larry was a US citizen, then Id see his point. Im a democrat, and cannot wait for the Obama administration to start. But Ill keep my opinions about Bush to myself. But I think war criminal is just a bit harsh, and I wouldnt be surprised if U2 lose some fans over these comments. Many Americans realize how bad Bush has f'ed up this country. I just dont need Larry throwing it back in my face. I still love the boys, but as everyone knows talking about politics can be a very touchy subject. But again, everyone is allowed an opinion. And thats mine.

There comes the question of- "Are you a U2 fan because of the music?"
(Everyone raise their hands)
Then comes the question- "Would you support a band in all their decisions just because you like their music?"  (no one raise your hands)
If this topic would cause people to become non-fans of U2 then it clearly wasn't all about the music for them, even if they themselves might have thought it was. Many bands that I love the music for I would probably never want to meet in person...  When a band is "good," though, it tends to add to the experience of the music.  I'm starting to contradict myself, aren't I... Anyway, here's an example; "just because Bono is starting to wear eyeliner doesn't mean I will support him looking like a raccoon"  That's my opinion, of course, but if someone did support him for doing so just because "he's Bono, he makes great music," then I think that would be ...unintelligent (to put it kindly).  Now, I'm not accusing anyone here of that, but I do wonder if sometimes people unintentionally do so.  Now then, can someone please try to explain to me what in the world I am trying to say.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: StrongGirl on December 31, 2008, 10:35:38 PM
I don't really know Proof.  ??? You kind of lost me with your first question but then again, I've just had a few drinks. It's New Year's Eve, oh no, now Day ;D! I'll get back to you. ;)
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Sydney_Mike on December 31, 2008, 10:55:20 PM
I think it's all a bit of tabloid sensationalism, trying to portray a schism in the band when none exists.

I know Joe just reminded us to stay on topic and I will respect that direction, but shouldn't the validity of Larry's description of Bush and Blair have been the epicentre of any debate, not was he giving Bono a very public rebuke?

All he said was that he felt uneasy about certain things Bono does. That can hardly be construed as a sign of any rift between them.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: spacejunk on January 01, 2009, 01:33:28 AM
It's also important to remember the context here. Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry courageously agreed, both with Q's editor and among themselves, that they would "get to the heart of the band" by "baring their souls". That's what's so interesting and generous about these interviews. When you take this into account, Larry's unguarded candour is not so shocking. Actually, it's entirely appropriate.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Dark Angel on January 01, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
Has anyone read the full interview?

right at the end he says how much he loves Bono and what he does, he just dosent like GWB or TB hence why TB quit and GWB was voted out!! I was warmed by those words.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Nielsen on January 01, 2009, 02:44:29 PM
It's all about balance: Bono is the adventurous member while Larry is the level headed member. Bono needs a brilliant friend to show him that not all his actions are favourable. This gives Bono the perspective of the public who are against his ideas and help him expand and re-invent himself and this makes him the adventurous person he is today - hence the reason why Achtung Baby was successful (well one of the reasons  ;)).

Just imagine if everyone agreed with everything that Bono or a particular member of the band has said or done; if they followed Larry back in the early 90s there would be no Achtung Baby and would have suffered from musical stagnation.

All in all like everyone else is saying, it's merely tabloid exaggeration (sorry for the Dr. Cox-esque rant  ;))
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Anthony02 on January 01, 2009, 04:10:08 PM
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I have to say that Larry is way out of line here. Not so much on his comments about Bono. That doesnt faze me. He's been doing that for awhile. But the comments about Blair, and Bush were wrong. If Larry was a US citizen, then Id see his point. Im a democrat, and cannot wait for the Obama administration to start. But Ill keep my opinions about Bush to myself. But I think war criminal is just a bit harsh, and I wouldnt be surprised if U2 lose some fans over these comments. Many Americans realize how bad Bush has f'ed up this country. I just dont need Larry throwing it back in my face. I still love the boys, but as everyone knows talking about politics can be a very touchy subject. But again, everyone is allowed an opinion. And thats mine.

There comes the question of- "Are you a U2 fan because of the music?"




(Everyone raise their hands)
Then comes the question- "Would you support a band in all their decisions just because you like their music?"  (no one raise your hands)
If this topic would cause people to become non-fans of U2 then it clearly wasn't all about the music for them, even if they themselves might have thought it was. Many bands that I love the music for I would probably never want to meet in person...  When a band is "good," though, it tends to add to the experience of the music.  I'm starting to contradict myself, aren't I... Anyway, here's an example; "just because Bono is starting to wear eyeliner doesn't mean I will support him looking like a raccoon"  That's my opinion, of course, but if someone did support him for doing so just because "he's Bono, he makes great music," then I think that would be ...unintelligent (to put it kindly).  Now, I'm not accusing anyone here of that, but I do wonder if sometimes people unintentionally do so.  Now then, can someone please try to explain to me what in the world I am trying to say.

I dont think my opinion has anything to do with my love of their music. I think Ive answered that question in another forum topic, but my answer is yes. Just because I disgaree with Larry's comments about Bush, doesnt mean I will no longer follow the band. I just think that if someone, Larry or the average joe, make such a harsh remake about a leader of my country, Im going to have an opinion. The only thing that would make me stop liking U2 would be the music. But I honestly never see that happening. And as far as the eyeliner, Bono pulls it off. Happy New Year to all!
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: watts4u2 on January 01, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
Where Larry is wrong:
GWB is not an idiot.  Being dumb doesn't excuse his decisions.  GWB graduated from Yale and got an MBA from what? Harvard?  He has a lot more education than any of the members of U2.  Bush was the one who led the US, and by extension, England, into the Iraq War.  Blair can be blamed for "going along", but history will show Bush as the aggressor, with Blair his willing accomplice.  So I think Larry is wrong to give Bush a pass and place so much blame on Blair...

Where Bono is Wrong:
Using your celebrity to highlight only one issue (Africa) is probably the best use of his fame, but many times he has to button his lips on other issues to keep in good favor with certain world leaders.  It's a compromise he seems to be able to live with, but I do wonder if Bono could have made a difference before the Iraq War if he had come out against it as forcefully as he did for AID for Africa.  Probably not, so good play, Bono.  You got more money for Africa from Bush than Clinton, a lot more. 

This round goes to Bono. 

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
Groucho Marx                                 
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on January 01, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
Completely agree with you anothony02, except of course with the eyeliner, but oh well-
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Anthony02 on January 02, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
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Completely agree with you anothony02, except of course with the eyeliner, but oh well-


Just had to say that your comment does make sense, and I see your point as well. Glad we agree, its always about the music.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Dark Angel on January 02, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
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It's all about balance: Bono is the adventurous member while Larry is the level headed member. Bono needs a brilliant friend to show him that not all his actions are favourable. This gives Bono the perspective of the public who are against his ideas and help him expand and re-invent himself and this makes him the adventurous person he is today - hence the reason why Achtung Baby was successful (well one of the reasons  ;)).

Just imagine if everyone agreed with everything that Bono or a particular member of the band has said or done; if they followed Larry back in the early 90s there would be no Achtung Baby and would have suffered from musical stagnation.

All in all like everyone else is saying, it's merely tabloid exaggeration (sorry for the Dr. Cox-esque rant  ;))

Dr Cox from scrubs I assume? even so you didnt make a two syllable word sound like a three!  :P
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: braxhunt on January 02, 2009, 12:36:06 PM
I know that I will probably be alone in this, but I happen to be a pretty conservative guy. I feel, to some degree that the war was justified. We may speculate as to whether it has been carried out well, and fuss over whether Bush went in for the right reasons, but from the talk of it everyone seems to be prettied bumbed that Saddam isn't still in power creating mass graves of innocents. In case you feel like it wasn't our place to police the world, it seems to me that many who make this claim are simultaniously in favor of the US government forcing us to spread the wealth instead of allowing us to choose how to invest in cheritable causes. That would be policing our pocketbook. To bring it back to the boys, the point I'm making is simply that everyone seems to talk about politics with such glib certainty that Bush is an idiot, there was no just cause for the war and everyone who has any sense will put up a shrine to Brangelina and worship Obama. Come on guys. These are weighty issues. It's nor so cut and dry. I disagree with Larry but I'm not worried about the band. Anybody remember in the 2001 behind the music special on VH1 Larry said, "Bono is the one person who could really hurt me and I would just say. . . it's ok.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Nielsen on January 02, 2009, 03:35:46 PM
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It's all about balance: Bono is the adventurous member while Larry is the level headed member. Bono needs a brilliant friend to show him that not all his actions are favourable. This gives Bono the perspective of the public who are against his ideas and help him expand and re-invent himself and this makes him the adventurous person he is today - hence the reason why Achtung Baby was successful (well one of the reasons  ;)).

Just imagine if everyone agreed with everything that Bono or a particular member of the band has said or done; if they followed Larry back in the early 90s there would be no Achtung Baby and would have suffered from musical stagnation.

All in all like everyone else is saying, it's merely tabloid exaggeration (sorry for the Dr. Cox-esque rant  ;))

Dr Cox from scrubs I assume? even so you didnt make a two syllable word sound like a three!  :P

"Ree--EAA-ally Newbie? Well according to my dictionary Clarrisa, 2 syllable words arn't meant to have 3 syllables - unless of course you turn out to have a really hu-UGE ego *classic shoulder bump*"

Hows that for a Dr. Cox rant  ;) Not perfect but - meh  :D
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: watts4u2 on January 02, 2009, 08:28:05 PM
oh braxhunt, you tempt me, but I just want to reiterate that I said GWB is not an idiot. 

And I feel I must...

You said: "I feel, to some degree that the war was justified."

Well, call me a left-wing Brangelina worshiper, but I feel like we need to fully justify a war. 

Re: Iraq spending vs. Aid to Africa... we spend more in a month in Iraq than we've promised in aid to Africa since....ever? 
And there is a difference between bombing and occupying a country vs. sending a country drugs, food and mosquito nets.
Title: Re: Larry vs. Bono
Post by: Joe90usa on January 02, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
This is a great topic and worthy of discussion but it will need to be continued in the Real World forum.