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Title: Time to spout...
Post by: muthangya on September 30, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
And it's all directed at some dictators in the GA line & very territorial inner-circle morons.  Don't know if y'all have experienced this or not, but at the Giants Stadium show last week, my experience left me very soured.

I and my friends headed over to the Meadowlands at 7am.  We waited in line all day, put up with fan-mandated numbering, complied with utterly useless male/female separation btwn 3p & 4p, saw that neither had any usefulness after crossing the barrier & being corralled in front of the security gate/entrance to the stadium.

Giants Stadium, much like the folks at Soldier Field, did stuff that made no sense.  Why funnel the comfortably spaced line into a tiny quadrant a full two hours before you're going to open the doors?  Why were fans numbering when once into the tiny quadrant, numbering made no difference & had no meaning?  Why sort us into male & female lines  when we were just shuffled into a quagmire for two hours prior to being patted down?

Fine. I put up with it.  Who cares when we got the spot we wanted on the outer rail of the inner circle, we were exactly where we wanted to be--even though we had space and time to crowd closer to the inner rail of the inner circle if we wanted to, but this is the spot we wanted.

So now that we had our spot, exhausted, we sent out a couple delegates to get some drinks and whatnot.  Exiting the inner circle was no issue at all, coming back in was also not an issue, but crossing the inner circle floor to get back to our spot was the most horrendous experience.

People sat on the floor, which is really not an issue, but people wouldn't scoot or lean or even try to help with people that are not trying to steal their spaces, they're just trying to walk through the area.  I mean, it's one thing to be crowded & jam packed in there that it's difficult to move through the crowd, but is it really necessary to make things more difficult for people just passing by?

One particular person, who I actually stepped nowhere near, had his space claimed by way of spreading a black trash bag across the floor.  He started mouthing off at me for me to turn around and go back, to exit the area because I was in his space.  Excuse me Mr. territorial , I didn't touch your trash bag or the area it protected, I didn't ask you to move, I didn't ask to step by you, nothing!  Why on earth do you see the need to be so hateful and so obnoxious to people simply passing by?

People walked by me, stood closer than I preferred, pushed me, and leaned into me throughout the concert, but seriously, it's a  general admission section; there are other people around you & there are other people that are going to need to get by.  Why the hell are you people being so  obnoxious to other fans that repeatedly say, "I don't want your space, I just want to get by"?  And that's not even during the concert; it's during the downtime before even Muse took the stage!

Maybe it's a different era, maybe it's a different crowd, maybe it's the American attitude that doesn't know how to share things; I don't know what it is, but things are definitely different.  European/UK shows I attended last tour, in stadiums that are the same size or larger than Giants & Solider Field, were filled with friendly people from all over the globe.  People that, despite not speaking the same language, had the ability to be cordial--even with just made-up sign language & gestures--and were able to enjoy even the time waiting for a concert in harmony with the strangers that surrounded them.

Hope things are better on the rest of my tour.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: u2bono269 on September 30, 2009, 05:10:56 PM
oh I am so with you on that.  I was numbered 219 and there was no way I was the 219th person to get into the stadium.  The way they handled the GA line was horrendous and useless.  they sent us into about 8 different lines to get in, and people were jumping from line to line to get into the "faster" frisk lines.  and you're right the people sitting around were obnoxious...

I'll never do a GA at that complex again.  I remember lining up in Philly on Vertigo and it was a pleasure. 

just out of curiousity, were you the guy who came back in and tried to wade through the sitters and had to turn around and go back?  I felt really bad for you. 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on September 30, 2009, 05:11:30 PM
US crowds are VERY VERY different to, er, 'non-US' crowds.

As you've noticed.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Bullet on September 30, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
Maybe it was just the region (ie:  New York/New Jersey)?
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on September 30, 2009, 05:15:22 PM
I'm all for a good generalisation, so as someone from outside the US, I have found people in NY more polite than people in the rest of the country in my travels.

Yeah I know. Weird eh? But that's been my experience.

But then I think NY is pretty used to tourists compared to other parts.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: muthangya on September 30, 2009, 05:56:24 PM
I agree briscoteque, I don't think you can say it's the region.  A lot of my closest friends are people that are born and bred New Yorkers and they're great.  Strangers that I met in Manhattan were friendlier than the tools at Giants Stadium.  People are changing or the U2-fan demographic is changing or maybe some total d*****bag ran through the GA section and pi**ed on everyone right before my friend & I strolled through.

Incidentally u2bono269, I was not the person that turned around and went back; we pressed on and made our way through.  That sucks that the crowd forced someone to go back.  Did they really accomplish anything?  What ever happened to making this an experience that is enjoyable for everyone.  I mean, it's one thing to strong-arm the jerks that try to sneak in and steal floor space after arriving at the stadium ten minutes ago, but it's not necessary to default to bulldog attitude with everyone that you encounter.

And for the record, I am from the US, been here all my life, but like briscoteque said, US crowds are VERY different from European/UK crowds.  The show at Croke Park last tour was amazing, not just for the concert, but for the sense of family that came from being at that event with tens of thousands of people who for the most part did not know each other, but still welcomed everyone in.

Looking forward to seeing more of you like-minded individuals in the next few weeks :)
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: u2bono269 on September 30, 2009, 06:23:25 PM
muthangya, I'm glad that wasn't you, because it really sucked for that guy.  they wouldn't move to let him back to that spot!  I have to say that everyone I met in the line were pleasant and wonderful people, but once they started letting us into the stadium, suddenly the morons came out (although none of them were the people I had met, thank god).  One of the people I met had a terrible time...someone tried to start a fight with him in the middle of the show and he was jostled and banged around all night by people taking photos and trying to rush the front. 

Another guy sat on the floor and put his jacket and electronics in a pile next to him and got annoyed when people kept stepping on his jacket during the Muse set.  He didnt stand up until Space Oddity.

But still, those crazy people in the crowd were nothing compared to the incompetence of the staff outside running the GA line. 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: whitewave on September 30, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
That is ridiculous!  I feel bad for you.  At most concerts that I have been to, crowds let the people pass coming back in.
Well- just another reason for me not to go in GA I guess.. 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on September 30, 2009, 07:05:03 PM
I definitely find, myself, that people travelling for concerts makes for a more fun experience than locals. Seems for your comments about Dublin that is definitely true.

Although I did enjoy Vertigo in Melbourne (my home town) more than any of the other vertigo shows, travelling does tend to breed this camaraderie amongst people who are doing the same. The same faces in lines etc. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

I'm going to LA and Vegas. I would imagine at least that Vegas will have a LOT of people from out of town... it's a holiday destination and I think the vibe will be huge.

LA... not so sure.

But hey... will enjoy it I'm certain.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Achtung40Life on September 30, 2009, 07:16:31 PM
I was 2nd row behind the B-stage at Chicago 1, and after Snow Patrol finished their set, I went to the bathroom. On the way back people were blatantly rude and wouldn't let me back to my spot. They either would ignore me, or tell me 'I've been waiting here all day' or "I spent a lot of money on these tickets.' I'm only a sixteen year old kid but apparently everyone though I just arrive and was skipping them to get up front, although I had infact been waiting longer in the GA line than them. I was wearing a Joshua Tree T-shirt and my favorite insult among many others was "how old are you kid, you weren't even alive when that album came out' I replied back 'you're right, I guess that makes you a better U2 fan than me.' What jerks, especially because it was my first U2 show. It put me in a bad mood right out of the gates. And the whole time before the show I thought U2 fans were the most intelligent and compassionate among all music fans. Everyone on this forum seem to be great people, but I guess U2 concerts bring out the best and worst in us all. To end the story, security guards attempted (and did a horrible job) to make people move and I made it back to my spot. I will never view U2 fans the same way, because of course a 16 year old kid can't possibly like the band as much as those who were alive when Achtung Baby, Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire was released. 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: p8ru2 on September 30, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
Sorry to hear of your bad experience muthanga with both the lineup and moving through the inner circle.  Some of that is to be expected but making someone go all the way back out is a bit much, unless the guy was being super obnoxious.  

Getting in & the cue was less of a problem in Chicago than leaving the stadium area, which was a nightmare the first night.  That was very badly planned on the promoters/ stadium planners part.  It was lucky nobody got hurt!  

The numbering system isn't "official" by any means and is mainly for the first few hundred early birds who arrive super early in the morning.  I thought the GA in Chicago was quite well organized.  While we had the line compress at about 2:30pm under the direction of the Stadium personnel and there seemed to be no reason for this ( read: annoying), I'd wager that they do this to get people to get rid of their chairs, coolers, garbage etc, so that they do not present any hazard for people.   The only complaint about the Chicago 1 lineup that I have is less about that than the enormous amount of garbage that many U2 fans just left all over the place.  I was pretty surprised.  Everything from chairs, hard coolers, beer, food, blankets, you name it.   They had stadium staff working the lines taking garbage away and receptacles too, so there's no excuse for that and it was pretty bad.  

On fans/ crowd - I don't think its a N.American vs. Europe thing but I haven't been to a Europe U2 concert so I can't compare.  

I've found there will always be friendly fans and obnoxious ones, even at a U2 concert, and met both types at my concert.  I'd go as far to say that my own experience is that U2 fans as a group are generally more friendly, fun, and mostly considerate people but there's always bad apples in any bunch.   The fun, friendly and considerate fans I met both in the lineup and in the inner circle were great and really enhanced the concert experience.   One fan watched our place in the GA, took our pictures, others gave hugs & shared stories, and two kindly let three of us stand in front of them for the concert in the inner circle.  ( Thanks Steve! )  

On the opposite side of that and to your experience, this was the negative side:    For two + hours before the concert started ( both bands) we were standing in the inner circle on Edge's side, off to the side & about 2/3 back or 10-11 people deep from the stage.  We literally had every beer, water & food vendor pushing and crossing either directly in front or behind us  for those 2+ hours and fans doing this too.  That was pretty annoying but its to be somewhat expected in a crowd and ok/ tolerable when people are friendly and polite.  The vendors were all very polite and apologetic, as were most of the fans but there were also fans who were very pushy and without saying 'excuse me' or 'sorry' when they passed or pushed their way through.  My friend got an elbow to head with no apology, which I don't think was intended but was pretty bad and rude.   How can you not know you've hit someone?  Anyway that's not what totally annoyed us but a backgrounder...  ;)  

What was most annoying to me was rude people who push their way through, without manners, apology or any consideration; and more specifically:

1) People who need to keep getting beers repeatedly , DURING the main concert,  who are pushing by or in front of you to do that and spilling while they do that.  There was one guy who did this 2-3 times ( with 4-5 beers in hand) and there were a few others who did this too.  

Now people are free to drink at concerts and have fun and I've no problem with that.  I had one before the backup band and another would have been nice but its too much hassle and I didn't need it.  That said, if you're more interested in drinking & partying during the concert than actually listening/watching it or you feel you need to get drunk to enjoy the band,  maybe you should NOT be in the inner circle and pit areas.  Go sit in a seat or go to a bar.  More beers during the concert obviously also necessitates more bathroom breaks for those people and more crowd pushing/spilling.  

2)Groups of people ( eg. more than 2) pushing through during the main concert NOT to go to the bathroom or leave but to try to get closer and in front of you.

Mid concert, a group of 5  were trying to do this in the middle of the concert, and I firmly told them,  "Um, NO.  You're not going in front of us, go behind us!", and then went back to enjoying the concert.   >:(  I'm sorry ( not really LOL)  but I've waited the whole day ( and then some) to see & watch this concert, and if you don't like your view, its a little late for FIVE of you to decide you want to get closer.    

That's all!  I otherwise had a fabulous time and concert!   8)
 
@achtung40life - Sorry you had such a bad experience too!   :(  There's no reason for fans old or new to be like that and be so condescending.  BOO!  >:(  Shame on them!   The only thing I can say is don't paint all fans like that b/c you met some bad apples.   I left before Snow Patrol finished their set and came back without problem.  If I can suggest anything for future GA, I would say that smiles and a polite "excuse me" goes a long way.  I also acknowledge and get to know some of the people around me while waiting for the concert to start, and that helps too.     

Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: u290sbaby on September 30, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
I experienced similar issues with rude people in GA last night in DC. I left to go use the bathroom right after Muse finished their set and by the time I returned everyone gave me dirty looks for trying to get back to the area I was at. My friends were still in that area and I even pointed them out to these people but it didn't matter.

Some people are just rude period.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on September 30, 2009, 10:16:17 PM
In my experience, U2 fans are more territorial than a crossbreed of hornets and magpies
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: mbeano on September 30, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
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I definitely find, myself, that people travelling for concerts makes for a more fun experience than locals. Seems for your comments about Dublin that is definitely true.

Although I did enjoy Vertigo in Melbourne (my home town) more than any of the other vertigo shows, travelling does tend to breed this camaraderie amongst people who are doing the same. The same faces in lines etc. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

I'm going to LA and Vegas. I would imagine at least that Vegas will have a LOT of people from out of town... it's a holiday destination and I think the vibe will be huge.

LA... not so sure.

But hey... will enjoy it I'm certain.

These are the 2 I am going to ... so far? I hope more?  Do You have GA for these? 

Look for me in GA.  I will be the obnoxious dude with a trashbag yelling at people to stay outside the borders of my tarp!   ;)

I am having the same  feeling about Vegas.  I think there will be ALOT of travelers and I really hope this brings up the atmosphere.  Vegas nite 2 during Vertigo tour had an amazing atmosphere.  Bono's voice was gone for the most part, but the crowd was intense, and the band really brought it and also changed up the setlist quite a bit.  I m thinking the band knows this could be a special nite based on the past, and the traveler thing.

However, usually I hate LA crowds (And I am from there) because everyone is more concerned with looking cool and posing than moving and having fun.  BUT I have a feeling this could also be a travel destination on this particular tour.
1.  There are NO other dates in California for this date.
2.  The Rose Bowl is HUGE - 90,000+ for normal events, MORE most likely for 360
3.  This is only 2 days after Vegas.  So like yourself, I believe and know that many travelers (esp out of country or travelling really far in the US) who are going to the Vegas show, will also go to the LA show
4.  This could potentially end up being like a nite2 scenario.  As we know nite2 in the same city tends to pull out more surprises and also generally seems to have better atmosphere.
5.  I dont think there are any overhangs at this stadium.
6.  This is more of a stretch of a theory, but ... Its the 2nd to the last date of this leg.  The last date on on tour leg tends to be a little more safe.  PLUS the last date is in Vancouver, and the band have recently been quoted to say something of the effect that Canadians audiences are not as energetic (at least in Toronto).  SO this bodes well for the band to be really amped up to make LA really rock.
7.  Its a historic stadium.  Usually U2 and especially Bono get a certain amount of excitement from playing places with alot of history.


I REALLY hope the atmosphere is amazing for both!  Lets make it so!  Im sorry the atmosphere was not very good at your show muthangya. 

Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on October 01, 2009, 12:24:46 AM
Great stuff mbeano...

I'll be the red headed aussie bloke wearing a 6' x 6' EXCLUSION ZONE suit that emits a mild electric shock if personal space is invaded.

Hope you're right about LA... I've got a mate from Aus living in LA so should be a blast.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 01, 2009, 02:12:20 AM
Hey thanks for saying that some of us NYers are actually nice and for recognizing that there will be both nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I was just telling a friend that this evening!
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: JasontheJedi on October 01, 2009, 05:43:05 AM
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Hey thanks for saying that some of us NYers are actually nice and for recognizing that there will be both nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I was just telling a friend that this evening!

Well, most New Yorkers move at a faster pace no matter what they're doing and it comes off as being rude to a lot of people (pretty much the entire midwest)
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 01, 2009, 07:09:18 AM
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Hey thanks for saying that some of us NYers are actually nice and for recognizing that there will be both nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I was just telling a friend that this evening!

Well, most New Yorkers move at a faster pace no matter what they're doing and it comes off as being rude to a lot of people (pretty much the entire midwest)

Well , I hope people realize that a faster pace does not always mean rude. Again, this goes for any city, any place.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 01, 2009, 07:12:18 AM
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US crowds are VERY VERY different to, er, 'non-US' crowds.

As you've noticed.

So does this mean non US crowds are better that way?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Dream Out Loud on October 01, 2009, 07:16:31 AM
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US crowds are VERY VERY different to, er, 'non-US' crowds.

As you've noticed.

So does this mean non US crowds are better that way?  Just curious.


US-U2 crowds are certainly less enthusiastic compared to European (and South American) crowds.  there's no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 01, 2009, 07:18:35 AM
I am sorry to hear that some of you experienced rudeness during your GA experience at the concerts. While you have every right to vent your frustrations here, I just had to edit a few words for languauge.  I know it is hard when you are angry but please try to watch that. Thanks-I appreciate it. SG
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: chadp123 on October 01, 2009, 07:42:57 AM
I was at the NY2 show on Thursday, got on queue around 3:30, and agree with the pre-show line-up mess. 

the original line-up they had was fine.  it was maybe 3-4 people wide and there were barricades to keep things orderly.  however, when the whole GA line was crammed into the little area outside the main gate, countless people were jumping into that area from the back of the line.  There was no control to prevent people from doing this.  I asked a security guard about it and he said he was “monitoring the situation”.  There was no reason to horde all of the line into one big mess of an area.  They should have just keep the line as it was.  Hording everyone into a big glob of people opened the door for line jumpers.

once i made it past the outdoorlineup mess and got inside, i had no problem getting a space right in front of the back rail in the circle, edge’s side.  In fact, before u2 came on, many I talked to around me arrived at 6pm or later and got in the same area I was in - guess there was no need for me to queue up, but you never know when they'll stop letting people in the circle.

i had a different experience than the original poster in that I had a fantastic experience with the GA fans around me.  i met and talked to quite a few awesome people.  I’m always amazed how polite and approachable u2 fans are at their shows.  Also, people were always polite as they walked by and said “pardon me, excuse me”.  However, it was a little annoying when people were still trying to cram past me while u2 was on.  By that time I think you should already have a spot and stay put - just my opinion though.  even still, people who were walking by during u2 were still super polite.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: kev346 on October 01, 2009, 07:49:43 AM
I've just got back to the UK from the show at Giants Stadium and was surprised by this post . I had a great time in the GA section OK people push past you, go out for beers,want to get to the front. but hey that's the way its always been in GA period !
we had a great time with everyone around us, even the two girls who screamed at a extreme volume through the whole show .
Ive been in GA for every tour since the Joshua Tree Tour,this was my first time in the GA section in the USA and i can tell you it was far more civilized than any of the European shows Ive been to over the years.
We didn't have any problems with the New Yorkers at the show or in the queue for the train after . Everyone was in good spirits despite the wait .

Maybe us Europeans are a little more used to been stood up in crowds as we still had the old standing terraces in football stadiums when most US stadiums were all seated, i don't know just a thought.

it does annoy me a little when people moan about GA crowds . You know the solution ?! Go in the SEATS .

 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Scotty on October 01, 2009, 09:14:09 AM
Does anyone remember the idiot line Nazi at wembley who took it upon himself to condense the ga queue at 11 am!! This guy caused so much hoo har, he was arguing with security and arguing with people in the queue who were telling him to chill out it was too early. Luckily we didnt see him again when we got inside but on the way out security had him pinned to the wall by his neck because he was trying to fight somebody! Never seen anything like it! He had wild eyes and scared me! Then when I woke up in the daylight at Sheffield after a night camping I saw those wild eyes again, my worst nightmare, I became obsessed with hating this guy!! We poinited him out to the  lovely security staff and warned them about what he had done at wembley and luckily when he started being an a hole again they told him to shut up and sit down!
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: muthangya on October 01, 2009, 11:01:50 AM
Hey StrongGirl,

My apologies for any implication that it was a New York state of mind or New Yorkers in general that caused the problem; that was not the case at all.

And yeah, non-US crowds seem to be better suited for GA.  I think that was a major deciding factor in bring GA to the US.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Euro & South American stops on tours have had GA for years.  We in the US only started getting it with the Elevation tour.

And for the record, I don't have a complaint about GA and I don't think the solution is to just abandon the experience and switch to reserved seats.  My complaint is directed toward the people who are looking to limit or prohibit the GA experience of others by having the attitude that they have more GA rights than others.

I mean the name itself is General Admission, but some individuals try and create classes, entitlements, and degrees of fandom to something that by definition is supposed to be general, undivided, and open to everyone.

~jc
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 01, 2009, 11:04:53 AM
Oh no apologies necessary muthangya! 
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: aarond on October 01, 2009, 11:24:13 AM
Remember that Giants Stadium is in Jersey...which should explain any questions about rude behavior, smells, lack of sunlight, etc.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: globaljosh on October 01, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
Great thread! Is this primarily an outside-the-circle phenomenon? Is it easier to get in and out of the circle and to restrooms than it is if you're on the field OUTSIDE the circle?

Just wondering. I'm not gonna be bothered by crowds but I'm sure that my girlfriend will want to make a bathroom break sometime before U2 comes on; since I'll be holding her place she'll be going it alone. I may not want to put her through that trauma at her first U2 show!
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: muthangya on October 01, 2009, 03:00:18 PM
Based on two experiences this tour, I would say that outside the circle is super easy to navigate and to go to & from your spot.  Inside the circle is where I had problems.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Joe G (Love You Like Mad Magazine) on October 01, 2009, 03:24:12 PM
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Great thread! Is this primarily an outside-the-circle phenomenon? Is it easier to get in and out of the circle and to restrooms than it is if you're on the field OUTSIDE the circle?

Just wondering. I'm not gonna be bothered by crowds but I'm sure that my girlfriend will want to make a bathroom break sometime before U2 comes on; since I'll be holding her place she'll be going it alone. I may not want to put her through that trauma at her first U2 show!

Hear that, Principle Management? Official U2360 Inner Circle Colostomy Bags.  :D
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Dream Out Loud on October 01, 2009, 04:12:07 PM
I am in the inner circle waiting for Cville to start and I just realized something.  this is a college campus.  translation:  no alcohol served (except for suites).   I expect friendlier people with fewer bathroom breaks.  woo-hoo!
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: briscoetheque on October 01, 2009, 04:26:10 PM
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US crowds are VERY VERY different to, er, 'non-US' crowds.

As you've noticed.

So does this mean non US crowds are better that way?  Just curious.

I said different...
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: whitewave on October 01, 2009, 07:22:54 PM
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Remember that Giants Stadium is in Jersey...which should explain any questions about rude behavior, smells, lack of sunlight, etc.
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Umm.. I experienced this same behavior in Portland on the Vertigo tour, and Oregonians tend to be quite laid back, so it was quite surprising.  No it is not a phenomenon of any one state-- just some bad apples get in the way of having a good time.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: virginiagp on October 01, 2009, 09:13:59 PM
I actually found the GA LINE experience in DC to be the best I have experienced in my 8 years of doing GA lines.  The poor police had no idea what was going on, but the event staff at Fed Ex Field handled things very well and helped the fan "GA organizer" keep things orderly and fair.  The folks around us were polite and friendly.

Once inside, we chose to stand on the rail of the outer ring.  When people needed to sit, move around, etc., everyone was very accomodating and helpful.  A great experience all in all. :)
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 02, 2009, 01:09:12 AM
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Remember that Giants Stadium is in Jersey...which should explain any questions about rude behavior, smells, lack of sunlight, etc.
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Umm.. I experienced this same behavior in Portland on the Vertigo tour, and Oregonians tend to be quite laid back, so it was quite surprising.  No it is not a phenomenon of any one state-- just some bad apples get in the way of having a good time.

Thank you whitewave!  I happen to have been born in New Jersey and lived there and I don't think I am rude nor do I smell  :P ;D   ;)
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: K2 on October 02, 2009, 08:25:38 AM
Just a note to say I lined up at NJ1 starting at 7:40 am and didn't have the hateful experiences described by some here, luckily. The line organizers were great and worked incredibly hard and effectively all day to keep the first few hundred people in line order.

However, when we moved up to the turnstiles about an hour before the gates opened, the stadium staff got us all in order, looked at us warily, and then decided to add two or three more turnstiles to the right side of the group. That meant that people whose numbers were 300 or 400 were suddenly in the same position as those who were in the first 200. I was #78 in line, #7 in line for my turnstile (they only had 2 for women and they were segregated by gender, how goofy is that) and I still had to run like a maniac to get the spot I was aiming for. Which I got, thankfully, Edge side, inside rail.

Getting in and out of my spot on the inside rail wasn't a problem as I befriended the people around me and when I was challenged upon returning, these people (including a tall bald guy who was easy to spot ;-) waved me back in. My wrist was stamped upon exit so they would let me back in to the inside circle.

Over all I had a great experience at both NJ concerts (had seats for NJ2) and hello to all of you who were in line with me! - Kat
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: aurabender on October 05, 2009, 09:53:41 PM
okay, I would love to go on about all the generalizations, mostly unfounded, that have gone on in the post, but there is not enough time and I am in too good a mood- still high from Charlottesville.

The reason I had to post was that no one has explained the bizarre " boys over here and girls over there" ritual that was described in the OP. What could possibly be the purpose?
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: whitewave on October 05, 2009, 10:29:44 PM
Could it be due to security?  At football games that happens at the entrance.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Dream Out Loud on October 06, 2009, 08:02:55 AM
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Could it be due to security?  At football games that happens at the entrance.

yes, that's it.  they want men searching/frisking men and women doing the same to women.  frankly they don't want men frisking women.   at football games, they don't make you stand in two lines but they do make you go to the appropriate security guard right when you get to the front of security.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on October 06, 2009, 01:13:43 PM
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And yeah, non-US crowds seem to be better suited for GA.  I think that was a major deciding factor in bring GA to the US.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Euro & South American stops on tours have had GA for years.  We in the US only started getting it with the Elevation tour.

~jc

Not true. These tours/legs were all GA: The UF Tour, the JT Tour stadium leg, and Zoo TV Outside Broadcast. In the SF Bay Area they were, anyway.

To the original poster: Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. That sucks.
Some of my GA experiences must have been the exceptions then. And the one I always think of is Zoo TV outside. Everyone was cool prior to the gig starting, but as soon as the lights went out, it was pretty crazy. That was mostly the band, partly the crowd, and a bit of the opening band which was Public Enemy. It all just clicked. But again... maybe the exception, but worth sharing.
But now, who knows? It's just a different time, and there's probably more fringe U2 fans in the US. I'll let you know after the Rose Bowl, though...
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: aarond on October 06, 2009, 07:12:27 PM
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Remember that Giants Stadium is in Jersey...which should explain any questions about rude behavior, smells, lack of sunlight, etc.
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Umm.. I experienced this same behavior in Portland on the Vertigo tour, and Oregonians tend to be quite laid back, so it was quite surprising.  No it is not a phenomenon of any one state-- just some bad apples get in the way of having a good time.

Thank you whitewave!  I happen to have been born in New Jersey and lived there and I don't think I am rude nor do I smell  :P ;D   ;)

I lived in Jersey for quite a while, including high school and like to get my jokes in whenever I can. I had some great friends and met some nice people, but the rudeness does seem to be higher there than other places I have lived. And I was suggesting the smells not because people stink, but because many parts of the state have distinct odors. Just sayin...
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 06, 2009, 09:28:35 PM
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Remember that Giants Stadium is in Jersey...which should explain any questions about rude behavior, smells, lack of sunlight, etc.
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Umm.. I experienced this same behavior in Portland on the Vertigo tour, and Oregonians tend to be quite laid back, so it was quite surprising.  No it is not a phenomenon of any one state-- just some bad apples get in the way of having a good time.

Thank you whitewave!  I happen to have been born in New Jersey and lived there and I don't think I am rude nor do I smell  :P ;D   ;)

I lived in Jersey for quite a while, including high school and like to get my jokes in whenever I can. I had some great friends and met some nice people, but the rudeness does seem to be higher there than other places I have lived. And I was suggesting the smells not because people stink, but because many parts of the state have distinct odors. Just sayin...

I still say rudeness is everywhere  ;)  It is a shame that the stinky part of this state where all the chemical factories are happens to be on the NJ Turnpike where travelers from all over drive on their way to other states. NJ has some of the most beautiful farm land around but travelers passing through don't see it. That it where it gets the name the Garden State.  Oh and I knew what you meant aarond  :D ;)
Title: Re: Time to spout...
Post by: birdlover on October 07, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
Stinky Elizabeth NJ had my dad regretting they'd named me that! :D The first time we drove through it he said he'd have named me something else if he'd known how it smelled. ::)

The southern part of the state IS gorgeous, that I do agree.

But if you think that's bad, try driving by the feed lots near El Paso Texas. Makes your eyes water-and not just out of sympathy for the cattle.

Birdlover
Smelling like a rose!
Title: Re: Time to spout...
Post by: aarond on October 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Yeah, I lived in western Jersey where the land was very beautiful...some of the Jersey odors are cow farms. But a lot of the state does have smells I don't exactly miss.
Title: Re: Time to spout some hate...
Post by: vegaspatrick on October 08, 2009, 03:11:54 AM
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I'll be the red headed aussie bloke wearing a 6' x 6' EXCLUSION ZONE suit that emits a mild electric shock if personal space is invaded.


Priceless. See you in my homelands, Aussie.

VegasPatrick
Title: Re: Time to spout...
Post by: globaljosh on October 08, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
I'm happy to say that my GA experience in Atlanta was just about perfect. We made so many friends in line and had great conversation with everyone around us. We got our spots on the outer rail and there was no pushing, shoving, elbowing, or anything of the sort at any point during the U2 show. There were a few incidents during Muse; there was a girl back in the GA field who was punching people, but she calmed down after security spotlighted her. Only one guy in our area attempted a bathroom break (before U2 came out) and he made it back. With the exception of a few rowdy Muse fans (and I thought Muse were very good) everyone was extremely courteous: The Georgia Dome security people were wonderfully accommodating during our all-day wait, and the whole affair was handled with ease and professionalism. There wasn't even much horn-honking in the after-show traffic jam!
Title: Re: Time to spout...
Post by: p8ru2 on October 08, 2009, 07:16:33 PM
A girl punching people?  NICE!   :P  Glad your experience was great!  I'd say mine was about 8/10 & minor really, save trying to leave the stadium area.