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Title: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 06, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
another U2 fan site with a proper forum, that allows a more salty tongue, a bit of swagger and oh no, swearing?

Don't get me wrong, I like @U2 for reliable and quick information you're nice folk round here, and I don't plan leaving here, it's just so, that I don't like the overly sweet, lovey-dovey approach that's present among most of the users.

To our well respected mods: I made this question public, so if there are other dirty bstrds around, they can have the info too.

I'm starting to get weary of @U2's otherwise understandable squeaky clean policy, it's just not my natural habitat and I miss some tough conversations with  people who don't mind a few four letter words in the right context... I'm starting to hate sanitized stuff, reminds me of ATYCLB.

(I also think U2 is not a christian rock band, but merely a band that has members who might be/ were at a time christians, but I doubt any of them is a proper Biblical christian today. They maybe concerned with faith and Bono certainly has an appetite for the Bible, but I don't perceive U2 to be a measure of christianity, and it's of dubious value to percieve them as born-again christians at that...)

Sidenote: I also despise lovemail in various threads, which is unfortunately inevitable this being a fan forum, but enough is enough. (Youtube got it right with the thumbs up/down system) You needn't write "Oh, I love xy song /photo/member it's the best" in an otherwise insightful conversation, we know you love it, you wouldn't be here any other way...

Alright, so if anyone has had bad experience with other U2 sites being too dirty for their liking, let me know the address please!!!

Thanks, Montag






Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: countrygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
SD, maybe you should hang out in the Lounge or Fun and Games with us.  It's fun, it's light, have a few laughs! I'll look for you over there!!!

Don't leave because we are too "clean" for ya!!! :D
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 06, 2009, 03:11:48 PM
Thank you Countrygirl, but it was never my intention to leave the forum, just to have a place where I don't have to be too finicky 'bout my language, either because of youngsters or christian people who don't take delight in my juggling "F"-s.

Don't get me wrong, I don't swear all the time, and I enjoy it not when meaning-, and limitlessly used, but it's a right I hold dear to occasionally be able to opine in vulgar words, which I would not do here.
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: daveyg on October 06, 2009, 03:45:44 PM
em, U2 dont seem to be a band that attracts foul langauge like maybe metal bands might, so, it'll be a tough job I think finding any U2 site that will have free reign on, well, expression. It's not a christian thing or the likes. There's been enough misunderstanding here without using f words so it's not really necessary to use it on a forum about U2!
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: theocean on October 06, 2009, 04:33:12 PM
This is a all age forum which we all respect that and our common connection is U2.
There is no need, we dont need it. Try it, you'll like it. ;)
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: excavation on October 06, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
The thing about this place is that there are a lot of underage members - that needs to be taken into serious consideration by the mods.  If you find an adult-only forum, you may find what you want.  But all the larger public forums will be moderated.  Because U2 has such a broad audience, including a lot of underage kids, it will be difficult to find a forum that is adult only.  I'm sure there's one out there, but it will likely take some work to find it.
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: StrongGirl on October 06, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Satellitedog- I think excavation and ocean have expressed it as best as it can be explained. We have members as young as 11 that read the threads here. That is just the way it is. Also - a U2 fan is allowed to express their love for them here. That is part of what this is all about. With that said, I don't think the mods ever edit anyone who criticizes U2 as long as you are respectful to other posters. We have always welcomed debate.

How about Interference-aren't they a bit more salty? I am really not sure of an answer for you because I am happy sticking with this one.

Oh and one more thing-

 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Is that salty enough for you?    :D :D :D :D     ;)

I guarantee you we will be the most charming & welcoming forum you will ever find in cyberspace. Good luck in your search but we hope you stick around here as well!
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: birdlover on October 07, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
Yes, SG, Interference is probably what he's looking for. I do post there also. It's more than a bit salty for my taste, sometimes, but I do appreciate a bit of adult humor occasionallyl :-X

See you over there, Satellite Dog!
Birdlover
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 07, 2009, 04:30:12 AM
Dear commenters.
Some of you seem to have misinterpreted my words. I'm not leaving @u2, AND I DO RESPECT the no-swearing policy most of the time, I understand the appeal of U2 towards younger people, and if I want readers to know I'm pi**ed of, I am using euphemisms and abbrvs. instead of writing the actual words, so those who don't know them, don't learn it here.
I don't feel like changing my habit on THIS forum at all. I don't like four letter words being used without knowledge/understanding and meaning, and most of all, I hate them used to make up for a lack of vocabulary, which happens to be a western trend among youth(I don't know about eastern countries)
On the other hand, I sometimes need to vent my anger/frustration considering U2 related topics.
I know the bandmembers themselves are not squeakies, and they will use the odd swearword(s) when irritated, and I guess most fans have been exposed to hearing them do so.  I don't connect a forum policy to actions of the band so I might actually check out Interference.

Another major reason is: I am not in love with U2 anymore as much as I used to be, for various reasons. I do enjoy their music more than I will admit, but I can't take the expressions of utmost love towards EVERYTHING they happen to do, or create, and young people tend to express this love way more often and without restraint and that creates tension in me, which I don't want to unleash upon said young, naive and goodhearted people...
 

Thanks for all the invitation, information and advice.
I will stick around, so noone who deserves it, will miss my insults by an unsalted tongue.
:-)

Montag

Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: excavation on October 07, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
SD, I know where you are coming from, there are many fans who take the band much more seriously than they take themselves.  If you think this forum is bad, you should see the U2.com forum.  Part of what you are seeing I think is overcompensation.  When NOLOTH first came out, there were a lot of trolls coming on here with the sole intension of starting a fight.  It got to the point where I quit going onto that part of the forum, there was just no intelligence over there, as I'm sure SG can testify.  Things have probably settled a bit as most of the trolls have moved on to something else, but the fanatic defenders are still around.  I may start coming by more often, especially since I no longer need to avoid spoilers. 
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 07, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
thanks Excavation. Trolls will be trolls of course, and some are annoying for sure... some others are actually fun to have around.

I never liked official forums, and I won't pay U2 for information I could get elsewhere, so .com is ruled out... :-) 

As the tour will pass though, I will have a bit less interest in U2, until there are news about SOA or anything really good.

Anyways, I have a lot of work to do, so I already have less time to read forums.

Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: polyester shirt on October 07, 2009, 09:25:56 PM
@u2 can be a bit lame at times, and is reminiscent of a site my mother would make, no offense to Matt, although it's inevitable you'll perceive it as an insult. To express myself in a genuine way, rather than conform to a policy everyone secretly despises, I go to Radiohead fansites.

Thom Yorke isn't afraid to get gritty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmhgbVnqnqo

greenplastic.com

http://www.greenplastic.com/

Now that's an expression of anger, and what appeals to me: humanity; yes I'm insinuating that you're robots.  ;)
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 08, 2009, 02:06:54 AM
I am a Radiohead fan PolyShirt, and I've recently registered on AT EASE. I'll check the vids and comment back later on.
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: Northern Soul on October 08, 2009, 10:10:11 AM
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em, U2 dont seem to be a band that attracts foul langauge like maybe metal bands might, so, it'll be a tough job I think finding any U2 site that will have free reign on, well, expression. It's not a christian thing or the likes. There's been enough misunderstanding here without using f words so it's not really necessary to use it on a forum about U2!

LOL....because U2 would never use foul language themselves!   :D
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on October 08, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
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em, U2 dont seem to be a band that attracts foul langauge like maybe metal bands might, so, it'll be a tough job I think finding any U2 site that will have free reign on, well, expression. It's not a christian thing or the likes. There's been enough misunderstanding here without using f words so it's not really necessary to use it on a forum about U2!

LOL....because U2 would never use foul language themselves!   :D

Shh!  Don't tell anyone that they smoke and drink either! 

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: polyester shirt on October 08, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
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@u2 can be a bit lame at times, and is reminiscent of a site my mother would make, no offense to Matt, although it's inevitable you'll perceive it as an insult. To express myself in a genuine way, rather than conform to a policy everyone secretly despises, I go to Radiohead fansites.

Thom Yorke isn't afraid to get gritty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmhgbVnqnqo

greenplastic.com

http://www.greenplastic.com/

Now that's an expression of anger, and what appeals to me: humanity; yes I'm insinuating that you're robots.  ;)

lol I'm quoting my doctored comment. Why are U2 fans so lame? Once again, I am silenced by the moderators. My original post had some content, which was significant to my post, but unfortunately it was viewed as obscene, even though I took the liberty of editing it myself, extensively. How ironic, having my comment edited in a thread discussing the site's tyrannical grip over "offensive language", because there are children as young as eleven, which I find absolutely ridiculous, on this forum.
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: polyester shirt on October 08, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
Check this out.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,8778.0.html
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on October 08, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
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another U2 fan site with a proper forum, that allows a more salty tongue, a bit of swagger and oh no, swearing?

Don't get me wrong, I like @U2 for reliable and quick information you're nice folk round here, and I don't plan leaving here, it's just so, that I don't like the overly sweet, lovey-dovey approach that's present among most of the users.

To our well respected mods: I made this question public, so if there are other dirty bstrds around, they can have the info too.

I'm starting to get weary of @U2's otherwise understandable squeaky clean policy, it's just not my natural habitat and I miss some tough conversations with  people who don't mind a few four letter words in the right context... I'm starting to hate sanitized stuff, reminds me of ATYCLB.

(I also think U2 is not a christian rock band, but merely a band that has members who might be/ were at a time christians, but I doubt any of them is a proper Biblical christian today. They maybe concerned with faith and Bono certainly has an appetite for the Bible, but I don't perceive U2 to be a measure of christianity, and it's of dubious value to percieve them as born-again christians at that...)

Thanks, Montag


http://www.atu2.com/news/salty-dogma.html

What would you perceive this as?
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 09, 2009, 03:15:27 AM
Actually Hawkmoon2e, I didn't really wanna bring this up, but I used to belong to a christian group that is firmly rooted in the Bible, and is a charismatic born again church. I stopped going, but belief and faith just don't quit, they keep hanging around. I still believe in Christ as my saviour. I just couldn't lead that kind of life, and I find it very dangerous to my faith, to associate U2, a group of people making tons of money out of rock'n'roll and possibly only in part christian folks, with God, and even if Bono speaks true words on occasion, I can't be sure of his actual state of faith. The truth is a rather narrow path, and I'm not sure rock'n'roll strolls along that, even if it's by U2. I claim to know what Bono wants with the music, but I don't know if God agrees. As B said, Grace is divine intervention, so our deeds don't reap their consequence. I'm afraid it works the other way around as well. Being good, doing good/great good to others, or showing good example on a humanitarian level won't buy you inside the gates of heaven. Faith is necessary...
I'm not judging Bono, but he's just human. At best, U2's music, AT BEST!!!! is a showcase of what inspiration and talent might come from God. It's like watching nature in it's force and beauty and be filled up with wonder.

So I remain sceptical in my relationship with U2, and leave my faith based upon the Bible. (If you listened to a lot of christian teachings, think about the meaning of lyrics of Mysterious Ways. That is either great, or big fat heresy from a biblical standpoint) Spirituality and sensuality are different things.


P.S.:Another thing I am curious about is swearwords. Why are there any... They are of course made up, mostly meaningless, and have some acoustic appeal to utter our frustration. What depth is there to them? What does God say about swearing? Anyone could pass on a passage?

Thanks.

Montag.
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 09, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
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Check this out.

http://forum.atu2.com/index.php/topic,8778.0.html

Hey Poly, do you know why this has been closed off?! And to your previous links, I've watched the Echoplex show a day after on a blog that collected some great quality vids...

here's the link:

http://rockisagirlsbestfriend.com/2009/10/03/thom-yorke-at-the-echoplex/
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: Hawkmoon2e on October 09, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
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Actually Hawkmoon2e, I didn't really wanna bring this up, but I used to belong to a christian group that is firmly rooted in the Bible, and is a charismatic born again church. I stopped going, but belief and faith just don't quit, they keep hanging around. I still believe in Christ as my saviour. I just couldn't lead that kind of life, and I find it very dangerous to my faith, to associate U2, a group of people making tons of money out of rock'n'roll and possibly only in part christian folks, with God, and even if Bono speaks true words on occasion, I can't be sure of his actual state of faith. The truth is a rather narrow path, and I'm not sure rock'n'roll strolls along that, even if it's by U2. I claim to know what Bono wants with the music, but I don't know if God agrees. As B said, Grace is divine intervention, so our deeds don't reap their consequence. I'm afraid it works the other way around as well. Being good, doing good/great good to others, or showing good example on a humanitarian level won't buy you inside the gates of heaven. Faith is necessary...
I'm not judging Bono, but he's just human. At best, U2's music, AT BEST!!!! is a showcase of what inspiration and talent might come from God. It's like watching nature in it's force and beauty and be filled up with wonder.

So I remain sceptical in my relationship with U2, and leave my faith based upon the Bible. (If you listened to a lot of christian teachings, think about the meaning of lyrics of Mysterious Ways. That is either great, or big fat heresy from a biblical standpoint) Spirituality and sensuality are different things.


P.S.:Another thing I am curious about is swearwords. Why are there any... They are of course made up, mostly meaningless, and have some acoustic appeal to utter our frustration. What depth is there to them? What does God say about swearing? Anyone could pass on a passage?

Thanks.

Montag.

Yeah, I can understand what you're saying here.
Last comment on this since it's a 'Real World' topic. And as you know, us Mods stick to the rules...
My faith isn't in Bono or U2. I really think that grace is bigger than any of us can ever imagine. There's the topic of salvation through grace, and also reaping what we sew on this Earth. My point was to say that some people might judge a salty Irishman by his language and other stuff. But at the end of the day, I believe that God's judgement will be what we did with his Son.

But this topic begs the question of: You say you have faith in Christ, and you want to drop some explatives in your posts, but you question the faith of others for doing that same thing?
Am I reading this wrong?
Trust me, I know, because my grandparents were Irish, my parents are Irish, and the 'salty tongue has been passed down to me. But there's also a time to think of others and not ourselves. And I don't want to speak for m2, but the rules in this forum are made up for that reason... respecting others. Whether they're 11 years old, or older.

--Hawk
Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: satellitedog01 on October 09, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
Alright, I'll put it short. I don't think of myself as being the better christian to Bono, or a proper christian at all, I did state, that my belief has not been erased completely by living in the world, and it's a personal state of heart which inevitably will have to come to a conclusion of sorts, which topic is not up for debate here...

And my comment on B's belief was just about my distrust in mere people who can be all too easily changed, in general,  as opposed to a divine constant, that changes people, and that U2 are not always chanelling the absolute truth, for they are a mixed group. I am not God, I cannot learn anyone's heart, have no right or ability to do so, so I stay suspicious.
 
Secondly, I respect @U2's efforts to maintain a liveable, likeable community for music lovers, so I hold my tongue for the most part, and have not been asked to correct myself or restrain myself by anyone here, and plan to keep it that way.
I've come across forums, where obscenity was a sport, and trolls were the general population, and I'm not looking for something like that.
However, on rare occasions I will have to opine in rough words, to let people know the degree of dislike towards the opposing matter/thought/action discussed, to be able to skip topic once and for all.

Glad to find some depth on a fansite.


Title: Re: Can anyone, dear mods maybe... please tell me if there's a...
Post by: Joe90usa on October 11, 2009, 12:16:01 AM
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@u2 can be a bit lame at times, and is reminiscent of a site my mother would make, no offense to Matt, although it's inevitable you'll perceive it as an insult. To express myself in a genuine way, rather than conform to a policy everyone secretly despises, I go to Radiohead fansites.

Thom Yorke isn't afraid to get gritty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmhgbVnqnqo

greenplastic.com

http://www.greenplastic.com/

Now that's an expression of anger, and what appeals to me: humanity; yes I'm insinuating that you're robots.  ;)

lol I'm quoting my doctored comment. Why are U2 fans so lame? Once again, I am silenced by the moderators. My original post had some content, which was significant to my post, but unfortunately it was viewed as obscene, even though I took the liberty of editing it myself, extensively. How ironic, having my comment edited in a thread discussing the site's tyrannical grip over "offensive language", because there are children as young as eleven, which I find absolutely ridiculous, on this forum.

For those wondering, the "doctored" comment that I edited was not within the posting standards as set by the forum rules that the overwhelming majority of users have no problem fitting their comments within. Had it been, I would not have edited it whether I agreed with it or not.
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Post by: Joe90usa on October 11, 2009, 12:21:39 AM
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...

Secondly, I respect @U2's efforts to maintain a liveable, likeable community for music lovers, so I hold my tongue for the most part, and have not been asked to correct myself or restrain myself by anyone here, and plan to keep it that way.
I've come across forums, where obscenity was a sport, and trolls were the general population, and I'm not looking for something like that.
However, on rare occasions I will have to opine in rough words, to let people know the degree of dislike towards the opposing matter/thought/action discussed, to be able to skip topic once and for all.

Glad to find some depth on a fansite.

Hi SD.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I think the vast majority of posters on this board can express any emotion possible without the need to delve into the Anglo-Saxon portion of the language. Clearly you have the facilities to be included among that group. Because this is not a real-time chat site, we all have the ability to let the raw emotion that would entice us towards that language slide away and then consider our choice of words before hitting the "post" button. We all get tempted not to do so and that's when I step out of that thread and go elsewhere until I'm calmer of mind.
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Post by: satellitedog01 on October 11, 2009, 08:24:07 AM
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Hi SD.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I think the vast majority of posters on this board can express any emotion possible without the need to delve into the Anglo-Saxon portion of the language. Clearly you have the facilities to be included among that group. Because this is not a real-time chat site, we all have the ability to let the raw emotion that would entice us towards that language slide away and then consider our choice of words before hitting the "post" button. We all get tempted not to do so and that's when I step out of that thread and go elsewhere until I'm calmer of mind.
Yeah, that surely helps improve linguistical matters. :-) Although I'm certainly hotheaded enough for it to be a prodigious feat not to let go of control on the rare occasions, where common sense and restraint are beaten to death by some intellectually/emotionally malnourished individual... Dignity might still be maintained...