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Title: PURE GREED
Post by: scrappy16 on November 12, 2009, 10:19:06 AM
Does it bother anyone else that tickets are put on sale Nine months before the show?  Has anyone calculated the interest  earned on this ?   Maybe a donation to Africa would be in order.   Nine months???? .... Preposterous
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Boom Cha! on November 12, 2009, 10:23:41 AM
I think it's kinda ridiculous how early they went on sale. I wasn't too prepared, but I still got my tickets. I would've rather waited until January, or sometime closer to July.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on November 12, 2009, 10:27:16 AM
I'm getting tickets to my shows now... but I'm some kinda ticked about it.  REALLY taxing my finances right now.  In fact, I had to buy tickets for a show while I was in Vancouver for the last show.

That still blows my mind.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Joe G (Love You Like Mad Magazine) on November 12, 2009, 10:29:56 AM
As opposed to diluted greed?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: scrappy16 on November 12, 2009, 10:34:29 AM
This is why I went from being as big of a fanatic as possible from the mid 80's  till  2005.  It has all become a very calculated money grab.  Bono can   no longer sing.....this is why the show is all about the stage.....and Bono can no longer do more than two shows a week.  This is why  you are subject to stadium shows,  which are awful   compared to  an arena with decent accoustics.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 12, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
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Does it bother anyone else that tickets are put on sale Nine months before the show?  Has anyone calculated the interest  earned on this ?   Maybe a donation to Africa would be in order.   Nine months???? .... Preposterous

Yep, it bothers me alot !!! It used to be 2 or 3 months, then they stretched it to 5 months, now 9 months is absolutley ridiculous. Other then a pure money grab by getting 100's of millions of dollars up front, I cant think of any other rational reason for this. If they need to plan a tour that far in advance, so be it, but no reason to sell tickets that far in advance.

I have seen every U2 tour since 87, saw two shows at The Meadowlands in September, but I have not bought tickets for the show in July. No way in hell buying tickets that far in advance. There are still plenty of seats available for that show, so I am not alone.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on November 12, 2009, 10:37:37 AM
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This is why I went from being as big of a fanatic as possible from the mid 80's  till  2005.  It has all become a very calculated money grab.  Bono can   no longer sing.....this is why the show is all about the stage.....and Bono can no longer do more than two shows a week.  This is why  you are subject to stadium shows,  which are awful   compared to  an arena with decent accoustics.

I don't agree that Bono can't SING.  I listened to him for 10 hours this year and he sounded great.  He'll never have the JT voice back but he's still fantastic.

Did you go to 360?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: U2Crush on November 12, 2009, 10:42:53 AM
If the tickets went on sale a week before the shows people would complain about not having the money.....

 ;)
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: scrappy16 on November 12, 2009, 10:43:25 AM
Can't sing is incorrect.......  cannot sing at all like he used to is what I mean.  Drop in a Zoo t.v video, or rattle and humm vid......no comparison.
 I saw   360 on you tube...   could not bear to watch  after a few songs.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Boom Cha! on November 12, 2009, 10:44:33 AM
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Can't sing is incorrect.......  cannot sing at all like he used to is what I mean.  Drop in a Zoo t.v video, or rattle and humm vid......no comparison.
 I saw   360 on you tube...   could not bear to watch  after a few songs.

You can't compare youtube to actually being there.

I saw them on this tour and they were amazing.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on November 12, 2009, 10:51:04 AM
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Can't sing is incorrect.......  cannot sing at all like he used to is what I mean.  Drop in a Zoo t.v video, or rattle and humm vid......no comparison.
 I saw   360 on you tube...   could not bear to watch  after a few songs.

You can't compare youtube to actually being there.

I saw them on this tour and they were amazing.

x2
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: m2 on November 12, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Pretty sure you can buy Broadway tickets for shows that are 8-9 months away. Sports teams start selling season tickets for the NEXT year before the current year is over. Does it bother me? No. Seems a bit odd, but apparently it's fairly normal outside the US for concert tickets to be sold far in advance - someone mentioned that in a different thread. Live Nation obviously has budget requirements that need to be met and so tickets are getting sold now.

Don't see the big deal, really. None of the shows are sold out (despite what they say) and tickets should be pretty easy to get for the next 8-9 months as the shows approach. Just stick around the forum and join some mailing lists and you'll see all kinds of alerts from fans whenever more tickets show up on Ticketmaster for allegedly "sold out" shows.

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This is why  you are subject to stadium shows,  which are awful   compared to  an arena with decent accoustics.

See, this is where not having seen a show in person really kills your argument. The sound at the four shows I saw was perfect. Best sound I've ever heard at ANY concert, including little club shows where you're 15 feet from the artist on stage.

Seems the only places having questionable sound are the indoor domes with the echo they produce.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Joe G (Love You Like Mad Magazine) on November 12, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
Best show I've ever seen soundwise----U2 360, Rose Bowl

Worst show I've ever seen soundwise--U2 Vertigo, San Diego Sports Arena
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: mtl_11 on November 12, 2009, 12:23:21 PM
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Can't sing is incorrect.......  cannot sing at all like he used to is what I mean.  Drop in a Zoo t.v video, or rattle and humm vid......no comparison.
 I saw   360 on you tube...   could not bear to watch  after a few songs.

its amazing when you watch rattle and hum and hear him sing running to stand still. what a clean, pure and strong voice he had. 
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jfp612 on November 12, 2009, 12:57:27 PM
Selling tickets now for a concert seven months away doesn't bother me.  I heard an ad on the radio for a Bon Jovi concert in Foxborough in July 2010 so U2 aren't the only ones selling tickets ahead of time.  Maybe they're hoping for Christmas sales?

What does bother me is selling tickets before they've announced the entire tour schedule.  I skipped the NYC presale and am now hoping they add a Foxborough date.

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: p8ru2 on November 12, 2009, 01:23:44 PM
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Selling tickets now for a concert seven months away doesn't bother me.  I heard an ad on the radio for a Bon Jovi concert in Foxborough in July 2010 so U2 aren't the only ones selling tickets ahead of time.  Maybe they're hoping for Christmas sales?

What does bother me is selling tickets before they've announced the entire tour schedule.  I skipped the NYC presale and am now hoping they add a Foxborough date.


I don't have a problem with advance sales and I agree w/ jfp612 here about the tour schedule announcements being only partial but I wasn't too happy that the earliest presales were SO too close to the last show (eg) Edmonton for EF who was in Van, and then DEN, Oakland, Chicago, Seattle etc.  I barely had a chance to soak in and recover from the Van show before needing to decide on 2010!   :P  I opted for 1 show only in 2010 given the timing, partial tour schedule, and decidedly not participating in some of the presales,  so like many will both risk and decide later on any others & any new shows announced.  If there'd been a couple weeks to think about it, I may have committed and scooped up more than 1 show. 
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: U2Crush on November 12, 2009, 01:51:59 PM
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Selling tickets now for a concert seven months away doesn't bother me.  I heard an ad on the radio for a Bon Jovi concert in Foxborough in July 2010 so U2 aren't the only ones selling tickets ahead of time.  Maybe they're hoping for Christmas sales?

What does bother me is selling tickets before they've announced the entire tour schedule.  I skipped the NYC presale and am now hoping they add a Foxborough date.



I wish they would return to foxboro too, but it doesn't look good.   :'(

Already got tickets to Toronto and Oakland though so I have back-up plan   ;D
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: An Cat Dubh on November 12, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
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Pretty sure you can buy Broadway tickets for shows that are 8-9 months away. Sports teams start selling season tickets for the NEXT year before the current year is over. Does it bother me? No. Seems a bit odd, but apparently it's fairly normal outside the US for concert tickets to be sold far in advance - someone mentioned that in a different thread. Live Nation obviously has budget requirements that need to be met and so tickets are getting sold now.

Don't see the big deal, really. None of the shows are sold out (despite what they say) and tickets should be pretty easy to get for the next 8-9 months as the shows approach. Just stick around the forum and join some mailing lists and you'll see all kinds of alerts from fans whenever more tickets show up on Ticketmaster for allegedly "sold out" shows.

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This is why  you are subject to stadium shows,  which are awful   compared to  an arena with decent accoustics.

See, this is where not having seen a show in person really kills your argument. The sound at the four shows I saw was perfect. Best sound I've ever heard at ANY concert, including little club shows where you're 15 feet from the artist on stage.

Seems the only places having questionable sound are the indoor domes with the echo they produce.

And guess what - the sound in BC Stadium (Inflatable domed roof) was near perfect. Even Willy Williams was surprised (see his blog on U2.com)

Agree with everything else m2  ;)
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on November 12, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
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And guess what - the sound in BC Stadium (Inflatable domed roof) was near perfect. Even Willy Williams was surprised (see his blog on U2.com)

The only thing I noticed that suffered was the big bass in "Crazy" and BEP sounded like crap (but then again, they always sound like crap to me).  I don't think the acoustics there are set up for a rap/dance/hiphop act as the low bass and drum sound reverbs something evil, but a treble based sound like U2 came off great.

They have redone a lot of the acoustic walling in the stadium for the Olympic opening ceremonies which is why U2 sounded good (as well as U2 having the creme de la creme of sound engineers). 

Concerts have been notoriously bad there for years so I was very pleasantly surprised at how good the boys sounded.

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: u2bono269 on November 12, 2009, 02:46:34 PM
well I don't blame U2 for this directly.  After all, it's not Bono, Edge, Larry and Adam who are deciding when to put these tickets onsale so far in advance.  It's LiveNation.  Now, yes, U2 did sign with them and they do hold some responsibility for what is done by the entities representing them, but in reality we should be angry at LiveNation, not U2. 

That said, I do wonder how complicit U2 is in this...do they even stop to think about it?  I wonder...
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: EdgeFest [Zenmaster360] on November 12, 2009, 02:55:18 PM
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well I don't blame U2 for this directly.  After all, it's not Bono, Edge, Larry and Adam who are deciding when to put these tickets onsale so far in advance.  It's LiveNation.  Now, yes, U2 did sign with them and they do hold some responsibility for what is done by the entities representing them, but in reality we should be angry at LiveNation, not U2. 

That said, I do wonder how complicit U2 is in this...do they even stop to think about it?  I wonder...

I'm definitely not going to hold this against The Edge.  LOL.

Of course it's Live Nation and all those greedy buggers, but it still doesn't suck any less.  I'm still getting my tickets, I just have to change the way my Christmas is going to be this year.  In the space of my life I don't care, but right now I have to make some immediate changes and am thanking goodness I don't have kids.... (sorry kiddies, no Xmas for you, mommy needs to go see The Edge again!!)
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: StrongGirl on November 12, 2009, 03:26:33 PM
m2 does bring up a good point about Broadway tickets and such. I had to buy Spider-Man tickets a year in advance and now I come to find it may not even open on time! Bummer. My pocketbook wasn't thrilled with this , however, for me U2 is worth it.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Lady B on November 12, 2009, 03:34:25 PM
Did I pi*s and moan a little when they announced the on-sales for 2010, while my Vancouver show hadn't even happened yet?  Yes I did.....but only for a moment.

I count myself very lucky to even have this dilemma.  How many months/years have we gone without a new record, or even the possibility of a U2 Tour?  How many other cities/countries haven't even had the opportunity to see 360 (yet)?  We really shouldn't complain, this is how the industry works these days.

Lucky........that's what we are.  Lucky.

And if U2 announces a tour for 2015...........I'd buy my tickets today.......in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: An Cat Dubh on November 12, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
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Did I pi*s and moan a little when they announced the on-sales for 2010, while my Vancouver show hadn't even happened yet?  Yes I did.....but only for a moment.

I count myself very lucky to even have this dilemma.  How many months/years have we gone without a new record, or even the possibility of a U2 Tour?  How many other cities/countries haven't even had the opportunity to see 360 (yet)?  We really shouldn't complain, this is how the industry works these days.

Lucky........that's what we are.  Lucky.

And if U2 announces a tour for 2015...........I'd buy my tickets today.......in a heartbeat.

This.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 12, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
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well I don't blame U2 for this directly.  After all, it's not Bono, Edge, Larry and Adam who are deciding when to put these tickets onsale so far in advance.  It's LiveNation.  Now, yes, U2 did sign with them and they do hold some responsibility for what is done by the entities representing them, but in reality we should be angry at LiveNation, not U2. 

That said, I do wonder how complicit U2 is in this...do they even stop to think about it?  I wonder...

I dont think the boys make the decision when tickets go on sale, but they did take all those $$$$$ from Livenation, so they are complicit in everything Live Nation does.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Joe G (Love You Like Mad Magazine) on November 12, 2009, 03:54:22 PM
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I dont think the boys make the decision when tickets go on sale, but they did take all those $$$$$ from Livenation, so they are complicit in everything Live Nation does.

Really? Is Alex Rodriguez complicit in everything George Steinbrenner does?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 12, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
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I dont think the boys make the decision when tickets go on sale, but they did take all those $$$$$ from Livenation, so they are complicit in everything Live Nation does.

Really? Is Alex Rodriguez complicit in everything George Steinbrenner does?

Bad analogy. U2 took an oceans worth of $$$$$ from Live Nation, Live Nation  makes decisions affecting tour and U2 fans, U2 is complicit.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: globaljosh on November 12, 2009, 04:02:46 PM
Ehhh, I think I bought my Popmart Tampa U2 tickets in March, for a show that wouldn't come to town until late October. And this was back in 1997. I don't really see the big deal here?

Also, same as mentioned above, the sound at these shows in AMAZINGLY clear. Much better than the seven arena shows I attended during the Elevation and Vertigo tours.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Joe G (Love You Like Mad Magazine) on November 12, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
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I dont think the boys make the decision when tickets go on sale, but they did take all those $$$$$ from Livenation, so they are complicit in everything Live Nation does.

Really? Is Alex Rodriguez complicit in everything George Steinbrenner does?

Bad analogy. U2 took an oceans worth of $$$$$ from Live Nation, Live Nation  makes decisions affecting tour and U2 fans, U2 is complicit.

A-Rod takes an oceans worth of $$$$$ from Steinbrenner, Steinbrenner makes decisions affecting team and Yankee fans, A-Rod is not complicit? I'm really just trying to understand. For the record, it doesn't matter to me when the tickets go on sale.  I can see why it would matter to others.  But this smacks of "U2 builds new Berlin Wall for concert".
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: dougie on November 12, 2009, 04:06:12 PM
I like to know what I am going to do for vacation- as far ahead of time as I can.  For many reasons-

1) Save up for hotel, airfare (if needed)  and other incidentals

2) I know not to plan other things- like other vacations, concerts or professional commitments.

3)  I can know that I have something to look forward to that I love.

4) Worry about how or if I can get a ticket- I'll know what situation I am in early and plan accordingly.

You may be able to put the 'greed' name on the ticket prices ($250 or more for the VIP) or the total amount of money being racked in.  But, interest rates being so low right now (particularly short term), that's nothing to the money machine steam  rolling along.  
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: LOGAN B on November 12, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
I guess the problem is that the Rose Bowl show was just a few weeks ago and some of us that went spent cash on merchandise, beer, food, parking and the tickets for the next L.A. show went on sale just two weeks after Rose Bowl. I ended up getting the $30 tixs. I don't mind just as long as I get to go. I will however try to score better seats for the second show next week.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: birdlover on November 12, 2009, 04:42:42 PM
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Can't sing is incorrect.......  cannot sing at all like he used to is what I mean.  Drop in a Zoo t.v video, or rattle and humm vid......no comparison.
 I saw   360 on you tube...   could not bear to watch  after a few songs.

its amazing when you watch rattle and hum and hear him sing running to stand still. what a clean, pure and strong voice he had. 

This is like comparing Johnny Cash's voice of the 50's to the one he had in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Go back and get an old Sun recording of Walk the Line and then get a more modern one. Better voice quality? Undoubtedly, but the experience in his later voice, and in Bono's MORE than makes up for it.

Birdlover
And YES, 360 was Perfect!
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: indiansummer on November 12, 2009, 05:08:37 PM
I agree with an earlier poster that it is very inconsiderate and bloody unhelpful to stagger releasing the dates. I bought tickets to Paris next year but have also booked a hotel for the following night , my flights were already rising in price so I decided to buy them too . I've gambled they play a second date on Sunday and not Friday or else I'm screwed.
Are we supposed to book a range of hotel dates and a selection of flights to have every angle covered in case of extra dates, clearly a ridiculous situation.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: j2736 (i'm not a boy ! ) on November 12, 2009, 05:21:12 PM
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Did I pi*s and moan a little when they announced the on-sales for 2010, while my Vancouver show hadn't even happened yet?  Yes I did.....but only for a moment.

I count myself very lucky to even have this dilemma.  How many months/years have we gone without a new record, or even the possibility of a U2 Tour?  How many other cities/countries haven't even had the opportunity to see 360 (yet)?  We really shouldn't complain, this is how the industry works these days.

Lucky........that's what we are.  Lucky.

And if U2 announces a tour for 2015...........I'd buy my tickets today.......in a heartbeat.

i can very well relate to this.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: briscoetheque on November 12, 2009, 06:18:52 PM
Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Northern Soul on November 12, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
I agree that it's quite inconvenient that they put tickets on sale so early (and so close to the first NA leg).  However, I fail to see how it is out of greed; it is well documented that U2 are LOSING money on this tour.  We're still paying off the first leg, but we do have tickets for the 2010 shows...and we wouldn't miss it!

And for the person that thinks Bono can't sing anymore...seriously...you don't know what you're missing.  He doesn't sound like he did in the 80s or 90s - he isn't a 20 or 30 year old man anymore.   He doesn't have the power, you can't argue.  However, he's still one of the best rock singers in the entire world, and what he lacks in power (which isn't much) he makes up for with better technique.

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Popmart1976 on November 12, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
They probably need the money upfront to pay for the cost of storing the Claw over the winter recess and deposits for venues etc.

It's not like you can store the Claw in your garage (probably not even Bono's!)

Hardly greed and if you have such an ethical issue then don't buy a ticket .......
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: mattyk on November 14, 2009, 06:41:41 AM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?

x2
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 14, 2009, 07:30:43 AM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?



x2

Just because we get shows here in US on regular basis and other places dont, we shouldnt complain when we think certain practices are unfair ??? Taking fans money 9 months in advance is a pure money grab, plain and simple.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Witsa on November 14, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
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Pretty sure you can buy Broadway tickets for shows that are 8-9 months away. Sports teams start selling season tickets for the NEXT year before the current year is over. Does it bother me? No. Seems a bit odd, but apparently it's fairly normal outside the US for concert tickets to be sold far in advance - someone mentioned that in a different thread. Live Nation obviously has budget requirements that need to be met and so tickets are getting sold now.

Don't see the big deal, really. None of the shows are sold out (despite what they say) and tickets should be pretty easy to get for the next 8-9 months as the shows approach. Just stick around the forum and join some mailing lists and you'll see all kinds of alerts from fans whenever more tickets show up on Ticketmaster for allegedly "sold out" shows.

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This is why  you are subject to stadium shows,  which are awful   compared to  an arena with decent accoustics.

See, this is where not having seen a show in person really kills your argument. The sound at the four shows I saw was perfect. Best sound I've ever heard at ANY concert, including little club shows where you're 15 feet from the artist on stage.

Seems the only places having questionable sound are the indoor domes with the echo they produce.

And guess what - the sound in BC Stadium (Inflatable domed roof) was near perfect. Even Willy Williams was surprised (see his blog on U2.com)

Agree with everything else m2  ;)

I was very impressed with BC Place really.  Having been to not only concerts but football games there, the sound is usually terrible.
Listening to the bootleg from the Vancouver show right now and it sounds amazing!  Far better than the Vegas boot and the Chi 1 bootlegs I've heard.  (its actually better than the (arena show) Oakland 1 on Vertigo tour - but that could just be equipment used too) but less echo.  Bono's voice is strong and sounds great.

I have NO  issues with buying tickets months and months in advance.  I have lots of time to put in vacation requests, sort air tickets, hotels...  plan meet ups.  I actually prefer the early sale - after Christmas may have been better timing though.

I just wish that they'd announce the whole tour  - poor people not in Europe & NA are waiting and waiting...  We really are lucky that we KNOW when our shows are, most of us have our tickets 'in hand' and are getting ready.


Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: mattyk on November 14, 2009, 04:40:44 PM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?



x2

Just because we get shows here in US on regular basis and other places dont, we shouldnt complain when we think certain practices are unfair ??? Taking fans money 9 months in advance is a pure money grab, plain and simple.

How much do you reckon U2/Live Nation have had to deposit secure those stadiums for those dates? Plus insurance, retaining fees for staff, plus storage fees for that big fricking stage, etc, etc.

As Brisco mentioned earlier, 9-12 months in advance is absolutely standard down here in Australia. I can't understand why you'd think it was just a simple matter of it being a money grabber.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: nolinehere on November 15, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
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Best show I've ever seen soundwise----U2 360, Rose Bowl

Worst show I've ever seen soundwise--U2 Vertigo, San Diego Sports Arena

Best Stadium U2 show I've seen sound wise - RoseBowl
Worst U2 show of any kind performance wise I've seen - RoseBowl

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: nolinehere on November 15, 2009, 12:26:50 PM
It's simple. Xmas is coming up. People will think twice in January about shelling out big bucks. Get the $$ now.

I'm waiting as usual (there's rarely a problem getting tix later for this type of show), probably wait until April or May.




Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 15, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
Just because we get shows here in US on regular basis and other places dont, we shouldnt complain when we think certain practices are unfair ??? Taking fans money 9 months in advance is a pure money grab, plain and simple.
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In your opinion, what does the band, LiveNation, and/or whoever else accomplish by taking fans money 9 months early? I'm not sure if you're familiar with a concept referred to as Occam's razor. To paraphrase, the simplest explanation or strategy tends to be the best one.

I feel the simplest explanation is that U2 wants to know what markets most want to see them so that they can have more time to plan additional shows in those areas. As a few people have mentioned, selling tickets 9 months early isn't an uncommon practice in Australia, for example.

Moreover, I think everyone agrees that 360 is perhaps one of the largest tours (in terms of stage and production) ever undertaken by any band. As a result, logistics are probably a nightmare. We know the band has yet to make money off this tour. By selling tickets early, wouldn't that give them money to pay employees, venues, etc?

Money grab? If you want to call it that sure, I guess you could. Money grab for selfish reasons? I don't see how this could logically benefit them.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: briscoetheque on November 15, 2009, 07:13:46 PM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?



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Just because we get shows here in US on regular basis and other places dont, we shouldnt complain when we think certain practices are unfair ??? Taking fans money 9 months in advance is a pure money grab, plain and simple.

Oh, complain all you like... just accept a healthy dose of perspective every now and then...
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: beau99 on November 16, 2009, 03:37:59 AM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?
I agree with you... and I'm an American.

USA concert-goers ARE spoiled beyond belief.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: briscoetheque on November 16, 2009, 04:21:24 AM
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Putting shows on sale 9 months - 12 months in advance is standard practice for big shows in Australia...

Seriously, you lot complaining about the earliness of tickets is tough to take when there are a bunch of countries, cities and hamlets in the world that don't have the opportunity to buy tickets at all yet.

Coz, yknow, no shows have been announced. And yet they're going to re-tour the US where they spent September and October already.

US concert goers are spoilt beyond belief.

Sure, I'm jealous and as a result stumped up the funds to fly over and watch 2 shows, but smell the flowers occasionally eh?
I agree with you... and I'm an American.

USA concert-goers ARE spoiled beyond belief.

It's true - yet all relative.

Australian concert goers are spoilt beyond belief compared to, say, Sudanese concert go-ers.

And the Penguins down at Mawson Hut in Antarctica haven't seen U2 EVER.

I'm just sayin... perspective.

Not an attack on 'Americans' or anything like that. Hey at an exchange rate of $0.92 I LOVE you guys and all your online eBay stores  :P

Perspective is just what we all kinda need sometimes.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jick on November 16, 2009, 04:39:45 AM
The right to make money is something they hold dear.

In this troubled times economically, we should commend U2 for finding ways to maximize their profits so they can properly feed their family especially since their kids are older and more plentiful, and schooling expenses are going up.

After all, there is nothing bad per se or immoral about what they are doing, is there?

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: donvalley360 on November 16, 2009, 06:02:07 AM
Muse have just put tickets on sale for next September in the UK,Green Day for July i think,and even Pink has 2 stadium shows for next summer on sale,so its not just U2,everyone does it,so that kind of shoots you down in flames doesnt it!  ;D
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 16, 2009, 06:23:45 AM
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Muse have just put tickets on sale for next September in the UK,Green Day for July i think,and even Pink has 2 stadium shows for next summer on sale,so its not just U2,everyone does it,so that kind of shoots you down in flames doesnt it!  ;D

Just because everyone is doing it doesnt make it right. It never used to be like this ,  2 or 3 months in advance, not 8 or 9. As a consumer I dont like being taken advantage of, anyone who buys a ticket now is giving U2 an interest free loan for 8 months.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: donvalley360 on November 16, 2009, 06:27:40 AM
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Muse have just put tickets on sale for next September in the UK,Green Day for July i think,and even Pink has 2 stadium shows for next summer on sale,so its not just U2,everyone does it,so that kind of shoots you down in flames doesnt it!  ;D

Just because everyone is doing it doesnt make it right. It never used to be like this ,  2 or 3 months in advance, not 8 or 9. As a consumer I dont like being taken advantage of, anyone who buys a ticket now is giving U2 an interest free loan for 8 months.
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So what,putting on big shows isnt cheap,and as long as you get a great show,who cares,i certainly dont mind,i think they are worth every penny,if you dont like it,dont get a ticket,its quite simple!
Also,it gives people who may not have the money straight away an opportunity to maybe get hold of a ticket a bit nearer to tthe show date,i cant see the problem at all.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 16, 2009, 09:58:03 AM

Just because everyone is doing it doesnt make it right. It never used to be like this ,  2 or 3 months in advance, not 8 or 9. As a consumer I dont like being taken advantage of, anyone who buys a ticket now is giving U2 an interest free loan for 8 months.
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Anyone who buys tickets other than the day of an event is going to be giving the band a short term loan aren't they? I'm really having a hard time seeing what the issue is, honestly. Plus, with HUGE shows like this it's not like tickets won't be around in a few months. I bought my GA tickets for Las Vegas about 3 weeks before the show, because I was waiting to save up the money. As far as I'm concerned, U2 has done nothing wrong. But I truly mean it when I say I'm open to hearing your point of view. I'm just failing to understand what the problem is, or how U2 is maliciously assaulting their fans with this move.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: highway190 on November 16, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
You do realize they still haven't turned a profit yet, right?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 16, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
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You do realize they still haven't turned a profit yet, right?

X100 BILLION!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: jrnyc on November 16, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
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You do realize they still haven't turned a profit yet, right?

U2 is in the business of making money, do you really believe they went out on tour and are not making $$$$ ???? The manager said a couple of months ago at that point the tour wasnt making money but would be turning a profit near end of year.

Maybe we should pass a collection plate around to get some money for the boys so they dont starve :)!!!
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 16, 2009, 02:18:04 PM
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You do realize they still haven't turned a profit yet, right?

U2 is in the business of making money, do you really believe they went out on tour and are not making $$$$ ???? The manager said a couple of months ago at that point the tour wasnt making money but would be turning a profit near end of year.

Maybe we should pass a collection plate around to get some money for the boys so they dont starve :)!!!

I don't think we need to pass around a collection plate, but the band aren't making the fortune they could be off of this. Tickets could be priced higher, staging could be less elaborate, etc. As far as turning a profit at the end of the year, that's really cool for them. They are after all capitalists, and in the business of making money obviously.

HOWEVER, it's of special note that most (meaning pretty much every band other than U2 that I know of) bands turn a profit EVERY SHOW, not near the end of what is so far the highest grossing (not highest earning, HUGE difference) tour ever.

U2 aren't money grabbers, not by a long shot. They could do SOOOO much more to take our money, but instead they do their best to make a good experience us. Is it perfect? No. Do I trust that the band is interested in more than just their own bottom line? Absolutely, without a doubt.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: markreed on November 16, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
ok, lets think about this. Some people have a shedload of money... let them buy expensive tickets. And some people don't... let them buy cheaper tickets and be subsided by the rich. The 360 experience is certainly no lesser for being in the cheap seats or the 250 ones.

But lets take a step back : this tour has announced no dates  for Australia, NZ, South America, South Africa, Japan - any of the Southern Hemisphere at all - and many major cities haven't been touched at all. I'd rather U2 play there than perform in the US for the 686th time : around 50% of known U2 appearances WORLDWIDE have been in the US.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Domenico of Lovetown on November 16, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
ZOO TV Outside Broadcast tickets went on sale just after the brief ZOO TV arena tour which was several months before the stadium date back in 1992.  If you can believe it, U2 almost lost money on that tour.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: nolinehere on November 16, 2009, 09:04:56 PM
the TOUR hasn't made a profit, but U2 is being paid nightly.

They'll make more per member per night than most will in a year.

Don't know what it is now but back in ZooTV their appearance fee was over $100K per night, each.



Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 16, 2009, 10:21:21 PM
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the TOUR hasn't made a profit, but U2 is being paid nightly.

They'll make more per member per night than most will in a year.

Don't know what it is now but back in ZooTV their appearance fee was over $100K per night, each.






I would LOVE to see a source cited for this, because I highly doubt this is the case.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: TheFlyMacphisto on November 17, 2009, 12:16:37 AM
Matt is right, it's not out of the norm for certain events to go on sale many many months in advance.

What is out of the norm is to drive/fly/travel to a U2 gig somewhere (Phoenix for me), go to dinner, see the show, spend money on merchandise and overall spend a few hundred dollars on the fun filled evening (and it was fun) only to return home a day or two later to find an e-mail informing me of a pre-sale THE NEXT DAY for a show I HAVE to go to because it's 30 minutes from my house (which is what I hoped for to begin with), as opposed to 12 hours like the last show.

Seriously? How about waiting till the people of a state have a few weeks off before asking for more money! It should have read: "Since we are striking while the iron is hot, we don't care that you just spent your hard earned cash in this bad economy on our tickets, if you are a true fan you have to buy more, well,  tomorrow! Get them while they're hot!!!".

My family has season tickets to a certain NFL team, and as greedy as that league can be I can assure you that money is not due until well AFTER the current season is over!

I love this band, am happy I got the tickets to the Oakland show (it's also a joke they skipped Nor. Cal on this leg, but that's a story for another time) and I will not complain about it after this rant. I am not a hater like some of the people on here these days.

I have to speak up though. This is a joke, and I feel a bit taken advantage of by a band that usually has better sense than that. I got my tickets, but what about the other fans that went to another show and were out of money after that, or worse (like a lot of us), just didn't have the means to come up with $100-$200 for a show with just a couple of days notice?
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: mbeano on November 17, 2009, 02:15:22 AM
Im with the lot of people who just dont get this complaint at all

1) As Brisco noted, perspective would be nice sometimes.  Someone asked "just because other people dont have an opportunity to see them in thier home country, means I shouldnt complain?"  Actually my answer is YES, you shouldnt.  Concert tix are a frivolous expense, a luxury.  I FIRMLY believe any complaint in regards to a completely unnecessary luxury is F@#$'N absurd and spoiled. Aside from something like false advertisement, or non-delivery of guaranteed goods and such, or  say you paid for leather and it ends up being cheap imitation, or your brand new TV is defective.  But entertainment purchases like movies, concerts, theater, comedy acts.  come with inherant KNOWN risks.  You dont know what if you will be entertained to your liking, the risk comes with it.  You dont know if the movie will be any good.  this is why you ask people, read reviews, check out boards, etc.

2) Someone already noted that with interest rates the way they are now (nonexistent in terms of making anything from them) 9 mo comparative to 3 4 or 5 months would not produce any more money for the band

3) Some of the complaints actually work against the main argument of the original post.  MANY of us just spent alot of money on shows we just saw, including merch, travel etc.  The band and LiveNation are fully aware than a good percentage of people not only spend money on the xtras but on travel. They also know, statistically speaking, that the majority of concertgoers for stadium sized gigs are NOT the hardcore fans (this is basically a numbers game, just look at the album sales comparative to tix sales, and also once you get past arena size, it certainly becomes obvious that you are now dealing with the masses)  So, knowing these things, and the fact that Xmas season is here, It would make more fiscal sense to sell the tix further away from the last gigs.  Since the majority of tix are expected to be non hardcore fans, the likelyhood of Xmas money in a down economy from these people being spent on U2 related purchases in unlikely.  This kind of spending would come primarly from the bands core fans, who do NOT make up the majority of tix sold and concerts this.size.  Futhermore, it can be expected/predicted that The hardcore fans spent alot of money on ancillary purchases related to recent U2 concerts so may not be prepared to spend more, espescially in a down economy.  So, if they were REALLY looking seriously at finding the best way to rip money from our pockets, they would have waited 3 to 4 months, as both the casual and hardcore fan would have more money to spend. 

4) If they would have announced the tix 2-3 months ahead of the date, the same amount, and many of the damn same people would still complain

5)  Like someone else said... More time before the gig gives me more time to plan

6)  For me at least, I felt and experienced that the quick announcement in combo with the distance from the actual concert dates, have worked to the fans advantage in terms of GETTING tix (or availability)  NO CASUAL fans I know, knew of the presale, and barely any knew of the public onsale.  Plus the casual fan is less likely to plan as far ahead for a concert that they just kinda want to see.  I personally would not buy tix for a band I only kind of like 9 months in advance.   Even for a band I like quite a bit, and have seen before and were quite good live, and from where I live - The Killers.  I would wait it out and see if I really want to go or if something better comes along, or if their latest album grew on me any more

 
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: briscoetheque on November 17, 2009, 04:21:12 AM
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(it's also a joke they skipped Nor. Cal on this leg, but that's a story for another time)

Perhaps a time when the rest of the world has seen this show?

Perhaps a time when you're not upset about being left off a leg of a tour when entire regions of the world... Asia (ex Japan), for example... have been left off the touring schedule for 25 years...

Fair dinkum some people are spoilt.

I'm spoilt. I've seen the show. i chose to spend the cash to get to the US, but as mbeano stated... it's a luxury.

But I'm hardly going to complain that it took U2 12 minutes more than it should have to announce a show in my front yard...

Although they haven't announced it yet...

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: markreed on November 17, 2009, 06:47:37 AM
WIth 1300 full length shows, and 685 in the US, I think it's obvious the US gets spoilt by comparison.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 17, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
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WIth 1300 full length shows, and 685 in the US, I think it's obvious the US gets spoilt by comparison.

I completely agree. As an American who lives in the Salt Lake City area, I had the "burden" of driving about 8-10 hours to go to Phoenix, Las Vegas, or Los Angeles. Sure, I wish Rice-Eccles stadium (at the University of Utah, where I go to school) was a chosen venue (like it was on Popmart) so I wouldn't have had to drive 8 hours to Vegas. I could've WALKED to the show that way!!

Come ON!! I had the option of 3 SHOWS that I could've gone to... We Americans are incredibly spoiled!! I wouldn't be surprised to find that the vast majority of people complaining about this are Americans.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Evil Bono on November 18, 2009, 12:59:09 AM
I don't understand the uproar on tickets going on sale 9 months before the show. I would think that people would have more time planning, getting hotel rooms, saving up for gas money, etc.  I DO understand how some would be angry that the tickets went on sale a few days AFTER the announcement of the sale.  At least with Vertigo there was a few weeks of saving up after the announcement was made.     This isn't a surprise for me since the tickets for Vertigo's third leg went on sale while I was at the San Jose show!   
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Nielsen on November 18, 2009, 05:51:20 AM
Funny considering the U.S. gets more dates than Ireland (despite the size of the countries). If anything, U2 should be playing Ireland every week!
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: nolinehere on November 18, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
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the TOUR hasn't made a profit, but U2 is being paid nightly.

They'll make more per member per night than most will in a year.

Don't know what it is now but back in ZooTV their appearance fee was over $100K per night, each.






I would LOVE to see a source cited for this, because I highly doubt this is the case.

See old interviews with Adam Clayton's roadie at the time of ZooTV when he filled in. He got Adam's paycheck that night. All that was said was that it was a 6-figure amount. May have been in Spin magazine but I don't remember exactly.

Or do you think they don't get paid ? How naive.

The Eagles got over a million for a Corporate party recently, how much do you think U2 is going to get nightly - I'd bet a lot more than the Eagles !



Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: Starfish on November 18, 2009, 06:51:58 PM
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As opposed to diluted greed?

 ;D
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: emuhunter on November 18, 2009, 10:30:56 PM
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the TOUR hasn't made a profit, but U2 is being paid nightly.

They'll make more per member per night than most will in a year.

Don't know what it is now but back in ZooTV their appearance fee was over $100K per night, each.






I would LOVE to see a source cited for this, because I highly doubt this is the case.

See old interviews with Adam Clayton's roadie at the time of ZooTV when he filled in. He got Adam's paycheck that night. All that was said was that it was a 6-figure amount. May have been in Spin magazine but I don't remember exactly.

Or do you think they don't get paid ? How naive.

The Eagles got over a million for a Corporate party recently, how much do you think U2 is going to get nightly - I'd bet a lot more than the Eagles !





Haha no no, I was quite confident that they got paid. I've worked for a record label so I understand the basic ins and outs of music business.

I bring your attention to this quote from a recent MSN article:

"U2 spent so much that at the end of that tour, which came on the heels of an album that had sold 14 million copies, Mullen remembered walking away with about $20,000.

Five years later, the band took even bigger financial risks with the exponentially more elaborate Zoo TV tour.

When they planned the first leg of the tour, they didn't know if ticket or album sales would be strong enough to pay for more than a couple of months' worth of shows; if attendance had been even slightly down, U2 would have ended the tour bankrupt.

Instead, they toured for more than a year and ended up making money, though not nearly as much as they could have with a simpler show. Before the 157th and final show of that tour, Mullen addressed the topic with writer Bill Flanagan. "In comparison to a lot of people in our position, we don't make a lot of money, but that's irrelevant," he said.

"In the end it's investing in our future. Not in our future financially, in our future musically -- cause at the end of the day that's what it's all about."

Each member of the band walked away with $20,000 at the END of the Joshua Tree tour. Put into 2009 prices (calculating for an estimated 87.28% interest from December 1987 since the tour ended on December 20th, 1987), that's $37, 456.

Again, I ask: where is your source? I Googled it and I didn't find anything that I felt substantiated the claim your making. If you can point me in the direction of a link I'd really appreciate it.
Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: sheisraging on November 18, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
Last tour they put tickets on sale for December shows in March. Nothing new here.

Title: Re: PURE GREED
Post by: markreed on November 19, 2009, 03:48:11 AM
It's not about how much they 'walk away' with. if I remember correctly, the band have long been employees of a business called Not Us Ltd, which employs U2, and the band are paid salaries out of that. They are very financially savvy, and have a lot of financial instruments at their disposal to maximise their income in less obvious ways, such as

- offsetting unpaid royalties for a large chunk of Island stock, making them multimillionaires when Island was sold
- investing $15m in U23D to gain patent control over new 3D camera technology
- Elevation Partners for video games etc
- property deals etc
- investing large chunks of their salaries into "Rattle & Hum" which they then sold to Paramount (if they hadn't done that I dare say the "walk away" money from the 1987 tour would've been in excess of 1m)

Let us not forget that U2 pay their crew well and look after them to generate loyalty, high morale, and better performance.

I remember reading that, in 2007, the prinicple U2 organisation lost approx. 17k overall on accounts, but side-organisations and subsidaries made several million. It's all about the accounting.