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Tours / Re: Rehearsals for JT2019?
« Last post by singnomore on October 18, 2019, 04:00:08 PM »
It’s been very quiet come to think of it
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Tours / Rehearsals for JT2019?
« Last post by dwaltman on October 18, 2019, 01:27:59 PM »
Has anyone heard where U2 is rehearsing?  Only a couple of weeks out from this tour and I have not heard anything about where U2 might be gearing up!  Love hearing about songs they may be doing this tour compared to the 2017 JT Tour.
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Nobody picked Velvet Dress Live with Jools
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My personal playlist of POP that I prefer to the original album:
  • Discotheque (mix of album + full length 1997 single version)
  • Do You Feel Loved (original album version)
  • Mofo (original album version)
  • I'm Not Your Baby - Feat. Sinéad O'Connor (outtake)
  • Staring At the Sun (Sad Bastards mix)
  • Gone (original album version)
  • Last Night On Earth (original album version)
  • Holy Joe (mix of Guilty and Garage versions)
  • North And South of the River (outtake)
  • Please (album version)
  • Wake Up Dead Man (album version)

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my preferences would be:

1)  Discotheque (album version)
2)  Do You Feel Loved? (live San Diego)
3)  Pop Muzik/MOFO (live Las Vegas)
4)  If God Would Send His Angels (album version)
5)  Staring At The Sun (live Mexico City)
6)  Last Night On Earth (live Mexico City)
7)  Holy Joe (live K-Mart)
8)  Gone (live San Diego)
9)  Miami (live Las Vegas)
10)  Playboy Mansion (album version)
11)  Please (live Las Vegas)
12)  If You Wear That Velvet Dress (album version)
13)  Wake Up, Dead Man (album version)

not a fan of really any U2 single edits/re-mixes that I've heard...  especially from the 'POP' album...:-)
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As for Last Night on Earth, the single edit got rid of the annoying talky intro and fixed the vocals in the chorus, which sound pretty bad on the album version.  His voice is gone, and you can tell they're trying to hide it with reverb.

So, so right on about the chorus vocals. I was hoping for the remaster that perhaps they would remix the album version with the re-recorded single version' vocals. His voice was much healthier in the single mix; the dual chorus of him and Edge has much more impact without Bono's obviously hoarse and inconsistent howl in the album version (didn't help he stayed up all night coming up with the chorus vocal melody and recorded them the next day at the mastering studio!).
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Great post, and one I am enjoying reading varying opinions in great responses.

I prefer the album versions. Please in particular is the great electro-jazz song that Radiohead spent the next 10 years trying to outdo. The single version loses the Howie B electronics that added a lot of subtle texture and drama to the song, and the arena-rock rhythm of the chorus is not as compelling as the Buddy Rich-inspired album version. I edited a version of Discotheque that has the album version opening but segues into the original single version of the song. The single version was identical to the album version except the bass line was slightly more prominent and did not have the reverse acoustic guitar loop opening.

Where I break with dogma is that I think the best version of Staring At the Sun is the Sad Bastards mix. I think along with some sequencing changes, if they include that version of SATS on the album, the album does not suffer from the loss of momentum in the middle after the opening techno trio.

My personal playlist of POP that I prefer to the original album:
  • Discotheque (mix of album + full length 1997 single version)
  • Do You Feel Loved (original album version)
  • Mofo (original album version)
  • I'm Not Your Baby - Feat. Sinéad O'Connor (outtake)
  • Staring At the Sun (Sad Bastards mix)
  • Gone (original album version)
  • Last Night On Earth (original album version)
  • Holy Joe (mix of Guilty and Garage versions)
  • North And South of the River (outtake)
  • Please (album version)
  • Wake Up Dead Man (album version)

You make that playlist, a giant Screwdriver, and light a nice spliff, and you get the best of what they were trying to capture with this album.

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I was listening to the Last Night on Earth single today, and it got me thinking: were the single edits and/or the Best of 1990-2000 Mike Hedges remixes of the songs that received them improvements over the album cuts? In my opinion, other than Gone, I'd have to say no. Now, of the seven songs in question (Discotheque, Staring At the Sun, Last Night on Earth, Please, If God Will Send His Angels, Mofo, and Gone), most of my listening has been devoted to Discotheque, LNOE, and Gone, but honestly, other than Gone, I found the album versions to be superior. I like having the guitar and effects right out of the gate on Discotheque, and I felt that the longer intro Last Night on Earth's album version kicked it off stronger.

What are your thoughts? Are there particular single edits or "Best of" remixes of Pop songs that you find to be the definitive versions? Are there other remixes or edits outside of even those that you find to be superior to their album counterparts?
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So it's been a little over a year since my original review of the digital download files (WAV) of the Zooropa 25th anniversary remaster. I've updated some of my equipment since then, and wanted to go back and see if that would impact any of my original opinions.

THEN:
  • DAC
    Dragonfly Black/Upsampling 24-bit @ 96 kHz

NOW:
  • DAC
    FiiO K3/Upsampling 32-bit @ 384 kHz

Generally speaking, upsampling at an even higher bit-rate and frequency, and perhaps with more distance for comparison to the original recording, revealed improvements to a few of the songs that I did not appreciate at the time of my original review.

That said...
  • The only remastered songs that, IMHO, sound improved are …Crashed Car, Some Days…, and Dirty Day.
  • Everything I wrote about side A (tracks 1-5) still holds up

One discovery I made in my research is the inconsistency between the mastering for U2 songs on soundtracks in comparison to the original recordings

  • 1995 CD single from of "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" from the Batman Forever soundtrack
  • 1993 CD soundtrack for "Faraway, So Close"

The FOS soundtrack contains different versions of Stay and The Wanderer. Stay has an extended middle eight section, and the intro features a looped beat and different guitar line vs the sparse original. The Wanderer has an extra verse and chorus, but is otherwise the same as the album version. HMTMKMKM is a Zooropa outtake, and there's no indication that U2 ever actually went in and added anything new for the version they ultimately released.

However, when you rip these songs from CD, any sound utility will reveal that they are noticeably louder than the songs on the original Zooropa recording. The Wanderer is especially better sounding (Adam's baseline has distinctly more presence with the louder volume), and with some easy editing, you can easily match it to the original album arrangement.

The main point I'm trying to make is that for whatever reasons, these particular U2 songs were mastered at a louder volume for their soundtracks at the time, and are at least as loud as the 2018 remasters. The Wanderer from the SOF soundtrack, IMHO, sounds better than the 2018 remaster of the original album version.

The volume level of HMTMKMKM from the CD single perfectly illustrates how good major-label mastering from that era still holds up (in this case, from a 1995 Warner Brothers soundtrack album).

In general, I guess what is disappointing to me—someone who prefers 90s-era U2—is that all of this seems on par with the band's efforts to dismiss that era in general. I loved their funky and dance-oriented pivot, including the improved bottom end sound of the rhythm section that came with it. The sterilization of Pop via the Best of remixes (anyone who prefers those versions to the originals either never got the 90s and/or prefers 00s-era U2), and the sparse appearance of songs from Zooropa and Pop in 21st century setlists, is a sad reflection of their most vital period. Back then, they relegated their Rattle and Hum songs to the light-hearted, acoustic portions of their set against the backdrop of their cutting edge new material. The reverse now seems to be true: U2 has been promoting R&H-era bombast for the last 20 years and barely hinting that they actually did become alternative in the 90s.
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Tours / Re: Types of gigs you wish U2 would do...
« Last post by Billy Rhythm on October 16, 2019, 08:32:47 AM »
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hawkmoon not played since Amsterdam 89  & god part 2 not done since Rotterdam 1990

I'm thinking that these two would be disappointing for Bono just doesn't have the pipes anymore to do 'em justice...  I don't think that they sounded all that good live even back then...  they'd have to be reworked, whether acoustically etc. to be pulled off...  the time in the set could be put to better use, in my opinion...:-)
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Tours / Re: Types of gigs you wish U2 would do...
« Last post by jgrooms on October 15, 2019, 04:17:44 PM »
Festivals suck - no thank you.
Clubs are way to small and hardly anyone would be able to see the shows, no thanks.
Stadiums generally are too big but fun sometimes.

I like arenas, which they are doing. 
A Red Rocks show would be awesome.
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Sunday Bloody Sunday / Re: Show in India
« Last post by Mr. Sarajevo 20 on October 15, 2019, 02:15:16 PM »
So the U.S. is in the same category as India in regards to Human Rights violations? Most likely not.
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