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Has anyone had a chance to hear "Scarlet", the long lost Rolling Stones track they recorded with Jimmy Page? It was not recorded for Goats Head Soup, but it is being included on the new remastered box set. I picked up a used copy of GHS off eBay recently, from the 1990s era Virgin reissue series (these were re-mastered by the legendary Bob Ludwig). I also purchased the digital single of "Scarlet" that is now available. "Scarlet" is a lovely reggae rocker, and hints at what Page and Zep would later create with "D'yer Maker". As for the 1994 reissue of GHS, it sounds amazing. Warm and full, just like the rest of the albums in that reissue series.

I also found myself reading some audiophile forums recently and came upon a thread of U2 die-hards discussing The Unforgettable Fire. In universal agreement, the remastered version released in 2008 is considered terrible. Generally speaking, most U2 audiophiles have found the 2008 remaster series overall pretty lacking. I personally saw the light when I bought the 2011 remastered Achtung Baby CD and immediately could tell it was not improved at all—in fact slightly ruined. I was able to get a used copy of a Japanese printing of the original TUF 1984 CD (note: 25 years ago, this probably would have been super expensive and difficult to get. In the age of streaming, eBay and the COVID-19 economy, it was only $8 including shipping). Upon the first comparison of "A Sort of Homecoming", it was over. For those of you who may not have heard any of the 20th century U2 catalog outside of streaming, one of the notable things about early U2 was their unusually powerful rhythm section. They may have been aping Joy Division and Television guitar parts, but their Who-like heavy bottom end is what made their early live shows so powerful in the clubs.

To a T, The Edge has removed a significant part of the bottom end mix from all of the remastered albums. He may have made the bass attack more noticeable in the mixes, but at significant expense of the bass presence (that whompy fullness that brings to mind the opening bass notes of "Until The End of The World"). Except in the most obvious of instances, this bass presence is just not there anymore in any of the remastered CDs or digital downloads included with the reissued vinyl.

And with the news U2 recently re-upped their deal with LiveNation to handle their reissues, I don't see this situation getting better any time soon. In fairness, bad audio quality management is not limited to just U2. Per the audiophile forums, for every Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, there is David Bowie, who also has a notoriously mixed reissue history amongst his loyal audiophile fans. But David Bowie at least included tons of bonus material with his reissues, even if some fans quibbled with the remaster effort.

So for now, I'll just enjoy "Scarlet", my Japanese printing of The Unforgettable Fire CD, and think about what's possible after LiveNation (and after my Japanese editions of The Joshua Tree and War arrive in the mail).

POSTSCRIPT: The future of U2 reissues may be coming sooner than realized. Live Nation is in serious debt. Even though it worked out a refi plan with creditors, its prospects are so grim they had their credit rating lowered on Wall Street. They have massive debt due in 3.5 years, and unless the concert business fully recovers and then some by then, they could easily go bankrupt.
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I have a working theory as to why they diss Pop so much, in comparison to an album like Rattle and Hum, which was not even as critically well received upon initial release.

I suspect there was a lot of hard partying during that period, and not just infamously Adam. I think they're maybe a little weary of looking back fondly what was clearly a pretty druggy period for them (think of the first half on E, and the second half chain smoking spliffs). I think perhaps Bono had a particularly nasty experience after dropping E (note I've never taken E, in large part because I've read that a huge depressive episode is the most common after effect). The album musically/lyrically follows this to the dark end at "Wake Up Dead Man".
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: MoFo/I Will Follow
« Last post by briscoetheque on July 28, 2020, 09:35:20 PM »
I think it was the perfect two song 1-2 punch. And lyrically so intertwined. One a 20 year old crying for a missing mother and the other a man approaching 40 with kids of his own grappling with no longer being a child himself but still needing his mother.

Link is one of the more obvious ones I'd have thought, notwithstanding that I Will Follow is played on 2 strings and Mofo virtually none...!

Iris too is the logical progression 15 more years on...
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: MoFo/I Will Follow
« Last post by Billy Rhythm on July 27, 2020, 06:35:07 PM »
I'm not seein' any "connection" between the two other than that they compliment each other well and make for a strong opening to a PopShow…  I'm thinkin' that 'Pop Muzik/MOFO' are more closely linked but that's just me...  'I Will Follow' has become a staple of their opening sequence for quite some time now and it started long before 'PopMart'...  'I Will Follow' followed 'Where The Streets Have No Name', very much in the same "kick into it Edge right away" vain, when I first saw U2 in 1987...  you PopMartians never cease to amaze me though lol...:-) 
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Hi guys,

Recently I heard Brian Eno's "An Ending (An Ascent)" used in something and I think it was in the recently broadcast recording of an Experience + Innocence show in Berlin. Am I right?

Kind regards,

L.
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Being stuck at home, I've listened a lot.  It feels heavy on the hits (Beautiful Day, Pride, Sunday Bloody Sunday etc) and I also crave more deep tracks.

I love the Elevation show and Discotheque show. 
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Any chance U2 will remix Pop during lockdown?
« Last post by Billy Rhythm on July 25, 2020, 06:03:51 AM »
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Ugh, album version of horses all the way IMO!!!
the biggest improvement in the Temple Bar Mix of 'Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses?' is that Larry's drumming is much more prominent...  his great drumming is buried under the muddy sounding guitar...  losing the overprocessing of reverb and distortion was a good call, in my opinion...  the acoustic guitar with piano accompaniment while using The Edge's acid drops more sparingly makes way for a more passionate vocal from Bono...  a lot of those who are only familiar with the album version don't even notice that there's a violin in the song...  the album version sounds like a demo to my ears but, perhaps that's its charm to some...:-)
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In the USA,  an edited version of the Slane concert was broadcast on CBS as  a Thanksgiving special called "U2's Beautiful Day" .  This was before the  concert DVD "Go Home" DVD .  I hear it had previously aired in Europe, maybe under a different name.  It was  "U2's Beautiful Day at Slane" on RTE (Network) 2 in Ireland.

Interspersed between songs, and before and after commercials. were short clips of the band talking.  Before "Streets, " they showed Bono in a white robe, looking in the mirror of his dressing room, saying something like " I buried my father yesterday In a way, it's still a send off...Going onstage is like a boxer going in the ring, but you are going against yourself, and you just hope your better self wins."

I need video of that clip for a class, and I'm not finding it anywhere.  I know I may have it buried somewhere on VHS, but can't find it.  It must be somewhere on the web.. Anybody? Thanks
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Any chance U2 will remix Pop during lockdown?
« Last post by KenpoMatt on July 21, 2020, 09:34:56 PM »
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if you mean re-cord, I hope not.  That doesn't usually go well (Mercy, Mining Town)

they've had some success with the "re-record" formula...  I actually prefer the 2017 mix of 'Red Hill Mining Town' over the original, as with the single version of 'Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses?'...  but yeah, their batting average isn't that great with the redos…:-)

Ugh, album version of horses all the way IMO!!!

As far as Pop, Larry as well has expressed a desire to re-visit the mixes (no pun intended :P). The Hong Kong Demo's definitely had promise, but I think as an earlier post said, "Let art be art" and leave it be. I enjoy pop for it's wins and it's flaws.

But we better be careful about the POP debate though. Before we know it, the "Talk U2" forum members will return and crap on everyone's posts that don't hail it as the 8th wonder of the music industry.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Any chance U2 will remix Pop during lockdown?
« Last post by Billy Rhythm on July 21, 2020, 07:56:29 PM »
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if you mean re-cord, I hope not.  That doesn't usually go well (Mercy, Mining Town)

they've had some success with the "re-record" formula...  I actually prefer the 2017 mix of 'Red Hill Mining Town' over the original, as with the single version of 'Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses?'...  but yeah, their batting average isn't that great with the redos…:-)
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