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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by laoghaire on October 09, 2019, 01:39:34 PM »
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It's true, we do all hear different things! I'm not alone on 1979, though - lots has been written about and videoed on that subject, including the, well, melancholy of the song.

That’s because it was released on an album called Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.



And of course the lyrics definitely match that mood!

So you do or you don't hear the nostalgia/melancholy/bittersweet/wistful feeling in the music?
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by laoghaire on October 09, 2019, 01:37:43 PM »
That Red Hill vocal is one of the highlights of his career.
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by singnomore on October 08, 2019, 09:02:11 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.

I think you're right that they started seeing how their craft was done and then started consciously doing it, whereas before it was intuition and dumb luck.

I'm not sure what you meant about Bono cringeing at vocals - you mean his own? He shamefully told Ellen he thought he sounded like a girl. That doesn't sound remotely like snobbery to me. That sounds like the shame of a man whose father was determined not to be proud of him, and who made an effort to take him down a notch at any opportunity.

Bono has talked about songs like Red Hill where he is open about not liking the original vocal. I imagine he has come to that conclusion after years of learning his craft. If I use that example versus how I relate to that song growing up and hearing it for the first time when it came it I do get irked. For me the vocal on the song is a centrepiece to the Joshua Tree and sums up why that album is great. The Ellen piece I can’t comment on but I have no doubt you are right around some of the dynamics going on with him personally.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by miryclay on October 08, 2019, 06:19:13 PM »
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Whoa, I wouldn’t know about all that.  I never thought Summer of 69 or 1979 sounded wistful at all.  To me Summer of 69 is just a straight out put the top down happy rocker.  1979 a catchy tune but not sad or wistful or anything.  I guess we all hear different things.  I think it works that way with food too by the way.  (We all taste things differently.)

Summer of 69 and 1979 are great songs. But Prince's 1999 is nowhere near Taylor Swift's 1989.
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The Music and Lyrics / Breathe inspirations
« Last post by Tortuga on October 08, 2019, 02:08:17 PM »
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It's true, we do all hear different things! I'm not alone on 1979, though - lots has been written about and videoed on that subject, including the, well, melancholy of the song.

That’s because it was released on an album called Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.



And of course the lyrics definitely match that mood!
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by Tortuga on October 08, 2019, 02:04:48 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

Yes, I think the way we are using "relevance" in this context is shorthand for "cultural relevance," and the culture referenced by this would be mass culture.

What specifically do you see as having been dumbed down?

First, very literal lyrics that are not crafted to have multiple meanings depending on who you are or where you are in life.  This strips the music of its depth.  Most of SOI/SOE are like this.  Its easier to explain by pointing out the exceptions:  SLABT, Troubles, Crystal Ballroom...not much from SOE....maybe Landlady and LIAWHL.

Second, music that is easy to find catchy on first listen (not at all challenging) and becomes boring very quickly.  It’s easily accessible because it uses tried and true musical cliches that are very familiar to our ears.  That’s great for radio but it leaves me flat after two or three listens I’m skipping...next track...next track.

When they were young they had the advantage of not being able to play other people’s music which forced them to be original.  Now they’ve learned a lot, plus they bring in hitmaker producers instead of ones focused on creating something that is more art than craft.  Its just a completely different thing they are trying to do.  They are capable of being artists, but they prefer to be pop stars.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by laoghaire on October 08, 2019, 01:52:08 PM »
It's true, we do all hear different things! I'm not alone on 1979, though - lots has been written about and videoed on that subject, including the, well, melancholy of the song.
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by laoghaire on October 08, 2019, 01:44:12 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.

I think you're right that they started seeing how their craft was done and then started consciously doing it, whereas before it was intuition and dumb luck.

I'm not sure what you meant about Bono cringeing at vocals - you mean his own? He shamefully told Ellen he thought he sounded like a girl. That doesn't sound remotely like snobbery to me. That sounds like the shame of a man whose father was determined not to be proud of him, and who made an effort to take him down a notch at any opportunity.
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by laoghaire on October 08, 2019, 01:35:16 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

Yes, I think the way we are using "relevance" in this context is shorthand for "cultural relevance," and the culture referenced by this would be mass culture.

What specifically do you see as having been dumbed down?
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Tours / Re: setlists for Nov tour
« Last post by amkel on October 08, 2019, 01:21:28 PM »
30 days until Auckland. Although I expect the set list to be much the same as 2017 I hope we get a decent mix of the IE and EI songs. 

Actually just realised the first Auckland concert is 30 years to the day since my first U2 concert. Might just have to dust off my old Lovetown T-shirt for the occasion
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