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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by u2live on October 08, 2019, 06:33:52 AM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.



Having a hit song today doesn't really say much in terms of integrity.  If they are making music that truly means something to them then I applaud them but it's not coming across that way for me anyway.  The optics show a band trying too hard to be relevant whatever that means for them but from where I'm sitting it's making them look more throw away then ever. 
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by singnomore on October 07, 2019, 05:04:09 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.

I think they are way guilty of overthinking it now. What made them relevant was they didn’t really know quite what they were doing. Now - they are seasoned (and dare I say snobbish) about their music. It bugs me when Bono cringes at vocals that were part of my youth. That’s what made them relevant then - they didn’t care too much and did their own thing.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by Tortuga on October 07, 2019, 03:12:16 PM »
Whoa, I wouldn’t know about all that.  I never thought Summer of 69 or 1979 sounded wistful at all.  To me Summer of 69 is just a straight out put the top down happy rocker.  1979 a catchy tune but not sad or wistful or anything.  I guess we all hear different things.  I think it works that way with food too by the way.  (We all taste things differently.)
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by Tortuga on October 07, 2019, 03:06:34 PM »
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I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.

I think what you you’re saying is that relevance is really just a code word for ‘mainstream mass popularity’.  If so, I think you’re right. 

‘Relevance’ sounds less vain but you can be highly relevant to an audience without having mass mainstream popularity.  I find most mainstream pop music to be fairly irrelevant to most things that matter in this world.  The other irony is that they achieved mass global success by NOT sounding like mainstream popular music.  Now for some reason, after having the channel power and fame to do things on their own terms, they think they need to dumb it down.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by laoghaire on October 07, 2019, 01:02:17 PM »
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Well in the case of the two songs (summer of 69 and 1979) it could be because they are both about someone looking back and remembering their own youth and coming of age.  That is very nostalgic.  In the case of SOL, your brain might be connecting it to Summer Skin by Death Cab, which is also a nostalgic recollection of coming of age.  (If you know that song.)

I'll have to check out that song.

It's not just the lyrics - it's the use of major sevenths. That sonically creates that nostalgic feel. I know that typically, sevenths are used to create tension, and usually are used briefly right before a transition back to the root chord, which satisfies the tension. But using major sevenths throughout aplarently makes for that bittersweet, wistful, nostalgic feel. Maybe a gentle tension throughout makes things feel just out of reach, like trying to return to a memory.

But anyway, it's more than the lyrics; those songs carry that feeling even if you've never heard them before and even if you don't know the lyrics or even speak English.
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by laoghaire on October 07, 2019, 12:54:14 PM »
I like that idea; I hope he gets to that place.

People look for different things in success - power, affirmation of self worth, etc. I think Bono is looking for the adoration of many people. Therefore, while he loves the money in the bank, it's not enough, and while he would love critical acclaimation, it's not the same as the screaming hordes of Zoo TV. Relevance is the key to that level of adoration. But that is in the past and will stay there, and he'll either have to adjust - or we'll have to watch him keep trying to cling to it.
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News and Rumors / Re: U2 Finally Coming To The Philippines!!!
« Last post by Ed on October 07, 2019, 07:42:19 AM »
I'm surprised at this given the ongoing and seemingly increasing problem with terrorism in this country. Let's hope they still go ahead with it and not change their minds!
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by Tortuga on October 07, 2019, 05:54:11 AM »
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Miry, good call on the stream-of-consciousness lyrics.

As for the Beatles, I remember thinking that the part I felt was familiar seemed like something Lennon (not the Beatles but John Lennon) did. But I never figured it out, and now the song sounds like Breathe to me, no longer anything else. It wore off, I guess.

Tortuga, the Showman seems old-fashioned to me. It doesn't remind me of anything specific, I don't think, but it does seem in an era of yore.

Summer of Love has a slighly nostalgic feel, imho. Some songs have even more explicit nostalgic feels, not sure how it's created but it could be certain chord types or progressions. Examples: Summer of 1969 by Bryan Adams, or 1979 by Smashing Pumpkins. They feel nostalgic the first time you ever hear them. I think SOL has a less strong effect but perhaps it uses some of what those other songs use to hit that nostalgia note.

I definitely get a 60s Cali vibe from SoL.
Don’t you think its the lyrics?

West Coast / Summer / jaunty music =  california beach boys / 60s

Or, in my case

Jaunty little guitar riff sounds just like pharmaceutical ad sound bed and that’s all I can think of.
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The Music and Lyrics / Re: Breathe inspirations
« Last post by miryclay on October 07, 2019, 04:30:38 AM »
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Miry, good call on the stream-of-consciousness lyrics.

As for the Beatles, I remember thinking that the part I felt was familiar seemed like something Lennon (not the Beatles but John Lennon) did. But I never figured it out, and now the song sounds like Breathe to me, no longer anything else. It wore off, I guess.

Tortuga, the Showman seems old-fashioned to me. It doesn't remind me of anything specific, I don't think, but it does seem in an era of yore.

Summer of Love has a slighly nostalgic feel, imho. Some songs have even more explicit nostalgic feels, not sure how it's created but it could be certain chord types or progressions. Examples: Summer of 1969 by Bryan Adams, or 1979 by Smashing Pumpkins. They feel nostalgic the first time you ever hear them. I think SOL has a less strong effect but perhaps it uses some of what those other songs use to hit that nostalgia note.

I definitely get a 60s Cali vibe from SoL.
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News and Rumors / Re: Ryan Tedder. Again.
« Last post by Tortuga on October 06, 2019, 08:20:17 PM »
He will never quit caring about relevance but he might come to redefine it as something other than record sales and radio airplay.  I feel like a lot of artists produce some of their best work late in their careers because they come to see success as something different than they used to.
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