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Title: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Parsons on November 28, 2014, 12:46:50 AM
Has Bono's unfortunate bike accident slowed down SOI's promotional momentum , and if so will the band be able to recover their adrenaline rush ?
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: sceptic on November 28, 2014, 03:31:03 AM
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Do you think Bono's unfortunate bike accident has slowed down SOI's promotional momentum ?

The answer to that question is an obvious 'yes'.

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And if so will they be able to recover ?

That really depends on how long Bono is out of circulation... There is also the question of what the second single will be and if they will be able to do make a video for it.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Edgedisciple on November 28, 2014, 04:25:08 AM
Yes, I don't think they'll be able to regain attention now. They needed to promote it in the US. Now, they need to drop SOE sooner than expected to not let the exposure die definitively, or release The Troubles as a single, since it's the only one song with the potential to be a hit. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: wildgirl on November 28, 2014, 05:49:21 AM
Or release Every Breaking Wave with a video - maybe they could make it about a love story and have 2 young actors star in it.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: surit87 on November 28, 2014, 05:56:26 AM
Yes. The Fallon residential was critical for US promotion.

BTW, there's a possibility that 'Films of Innocence' might make up for the loss.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: sceptic on November 28, 2014, 06:04:57 AM
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Yes, I don't think they'll be able to regain attention now. They needed to promote it in the US. Now, they need to drop SOE sooner than expected to not let the exposure die definitively, or release The Troubles as a single, since it's the only one song with the potential to be a hit. Just my 2 cents.


I think EBW should have the potential to be a hit, too, but I admit that I don't know what makes a hit anymore. 'Magnificent' should have been a global hit but it only had success in a few countries (like Ireland, the Netherlands and Canada, if wikipedia is correct), for instance.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on November 28, 2014, 06:29:13 AM
Releasing Songs of Experience to time with Bono's recovery and a tour hot on the heels of that is the salve to this unfortunate set back.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Edgedisciple on November 28, 2014, 06:49:19 AM

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Yes, I don't think they'll be able to regain attention now. They needed to promote it in the US. Now, they need to drop SOE sooner than expected to not let the exposure die definitively, or release The Troubles as a single, since it's the only one song with the potential to be a hit. Just my 2 cents.


I think EBW should have the potential to be a hit, too, but I admit that I don't know what makes a hit anymore. 'Magnificent' should have been a global hit but it only had success in a few countries (like Ireland, the Netherlands and Canada, if wikipedia is correct), for instance.
The problem with Magnificent, I think, were the clunky self-indulgent lyrics (seriously, I still don't know what they are all about) and the fact that it should've been the lead single instead of Boots.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: wildgirl on November 28, 2014, 07:14:00 AM
Yes, I think the main problem of HTDAAB were the lyrics.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: rcamu2 on November 28, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
irrelevant really.

pretty much everyone who would ever listen to it already did. and regardless of promotion the tour will be a sellout.

Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Yaro on November 28, 2014, 08:40:30 AM
Because most of us here are major U2 fans -we think there actually,,was a momentum" .In Europe the sales and chart positions were pretty much non existing, they made few appearances here & there..and here in US that whole Apple thing really bit them in the ar*e...When I read Justin Bieber earned $ 80 mil. last year alone-makes me sick to my stomach...unfortunately its Bieber/Beyonce/Minaj/Swift Taylor's era..But U2 are not alone..for example another monster famous band in the world-Metallica-is struggling the same exact way-they had to cancel their US festival(Orion) with them actually playing both nights, because it was a financial disaster,.then they made & financed their movie,which cost them $ 30 mil. of their own money-and it bombed horribly (their personal loss was $ 24 mil.)...U2 ( or Metallica) will always have people come to see them live in masses-but its the teenage &college kids that decide, who's the hottest band(artist) in the world..Bono called it-U2 (and other few great bands of past ) are on the verge of irrelevance..
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Droo on November 28, 2014, 09:56:29 AM
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irrelevant really.

pretty much everyone who would ever listen to it already did. and regardless of promotion the tour will be a sellout.



Truth.

A band like U2 doesn't really even need a new album to justify a tour. People will still flock to their shows regardless. 360 proved that. How many people in attendance actually gave a crap about NLOTH?
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: rcamu2 on November 28, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Saless and chart positions are really meaningless for an album which was given away to basically everyone with a smartphone or an Internet connection. Much gnashing of teeth and fretting over nothing.

Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: summerrain on November 28, 2014, 10:58:25 AM
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Saless and chart positions are really meaningless for an album which was given away to basically everyone with a smartphone or an Internet connection. Much gnashing of teeth and fretting over nothing.

This! I usually just buy digital albums, just because it was U2 and I'm already a U2 fan I wanted the physical album to complete my collection. But even not all U2 fans got it (because they already had the digital album), most of the people buying music buy it digitally, you cannot expect them to buy something they already have.

Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Parsons on November 28, 2014, 12:23:20 PM
I'm not even talking about album sales, I'm talking about the band's momentum and excitement about playing  the new songs. The adrenaline rush they get just before a tour is about to begin is monumental to a band like U2 and the bike accident may have jinxed them.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: rcamu2 on November 28, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
that's some serious over thinking. dude fell off a bike. it's not like he had a child going through leukemia treatment or had back surgery.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Siberian Tiger on November 28, 2014, 05:26:44 PM
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that's some serious over thinking. dude fell off a bike. it's not like he had a child going through leukemia treatment or had back surgery.

The seriousness of this injury is easily on a par with the back surgery. No overthinking.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: rcamu2 on November 28, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
Sure it is. Because we are privy to all the details and have medical training, right ?

Look the tour was supposed to start in June according to rumor, it will probably still do so and will still sell out quickly. No momentum lost, no practical measurable impact.

Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on November 28, 2014, 08:11:25 PM
I still hear the Miracle on the radio a lot.  I would expect that when they come back to do the Tonight Show it will make an impact and help them regain some of the momentum.  I don't expect them to do the KROQ show, but a few months after that I would expect that Bono will want to get things going again.  It has to be driving him crazy sitting there recouperating.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Velvet Dress on November 28, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
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I'm not even talking about album sales, I'm talking about the band's momentum and excitement about playing  the new songs. The adrenaline rush they get just before a tour is about to begin is monumental to a band like U2 and the bike accident may have jinxed them.
They may be religious, but that doesn't mean they're superstitious.   They're not fatalistic, never have been, and they're not going to start now.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: jick on November 29, 2014, 05:32:46 PM
What momentum?

Everyone owns the album.

It has little radio play which is inconsequential since no one listens to radio nowadays.

The only momentum it killed was the exposure momentum.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Parsons on November 29, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
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What momentum?

Everyone owns the album.

It has little radio play which is inconsequential since no one listens to radio nowadays.

The only momentum it killed was the exposure momentum.

Cheers,

J
As stated earlier J , it's not sales momentum or radio for that matter, I'm speaking about the band its self and the exitment of playing new material that they believe in. Bono's unfortunate accident abruptly stopped the " mini" promotional tour and I'm wondering what psychological effects if any it might have on the aging rock band.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: rcamu2 on November 30, 2014, 10:03:50 AM
at this age they've probably smarter and mentally stronger than they were on their 30s. don't worry about them. they will be fine.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: achtungx on November 30, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
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What momentum?

Everyone owns the album.

It has little radio play which is inconsequential since no one listens to radio nowadays.

The only momentum it killed was the exposure momentum.

Cheers,

J
As stated earlier J , it's not sales momentum or radio for that matter, I'm speaking about the band its self and the exitment of playing new material that they believe in. Bono's unfortunate accident abruptly stopped the " mini" promotional tour and I'm wondering what psychological effects if any it might have on the aging rock band.

Those old geezers in their early 50s... psychological effects - I doubt there'd be any.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: imedi on December 01, 2014, 09:01:46 AM
knocked the front teeth out of it. i'd say
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: jick on December 01, 2014, 09:28:38 AM
Yes, I agree - Bono's accident won't affect them psychologically.  As they get older, they get more thick skinned and less emotional or impulsive.

However, I've always felt this accident will affect the upcoming Songs of Experience - Bono may start adding or rewriting lyrics to deal with fragility and mortality.  Just a thought.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: mdmomof7 on December 01, 2014, 09:58:06 AM
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Yes, I agree - Bono's accident won't affect them psychologically.  As they get older, they get more thick skinned and less emotional or impulsive.

However, I've always felt this accident will affect the upcoming Songs of Experience - Bono may start adding or rewriting lyrics to deal with fragility and mortality.  Just a thought.

Cheers,

J

And the rest of the band hopefully has the existing lyrics, so they can all work together and maybe come up with a 4th album?  ;)
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: HotRod1999 on December 02, 2014, 06:50:14 AM
I think the Fallon show would have helped the momentum, but I'm not sure how much. The album needs to be getting airplay and it doesn't . I'm startled Every Breaking Wave isn't getting strong airplay, as to me it is a song that could appeal to anyone.
I guess we are in a pop music world forever now. 
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Parsons on January 16, 2015, 11:35:43 PM
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I think the Fallon show would have helped the momentum, but I'm not sure how much. The album needs to be getting airplay and it doesn't . I'm startled Every Breaking Wave isn't getting strong airplay, as to me it is a song that could appeal to anyone.
I guess we are in a pop music world forever now.
+1
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Blueyedboy on January 17, 2015, 02:15:06 AM
In my very humble opinion the momentum was lost when they took the one sure hit from the album and performed it totally different from the only album version available at the time.

The thought process behind opting for appearing on talk shows and performing acoustic versions of SOI songs was to push the deluxe version of the album when it is the original release that needs the push, not least to win the hearts and minds of those who may of only heard the bad press from the i-tunes release.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: codeguy on January 17, 2015, 07:33:59 AM
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Yes, I agree - Bono's accident won't affect them psychologically.  As they get older, they get more thick skinned and less emotional or impulsive.

However, I've always felt this accident will affect the upcoming Songs of Experience - Bono may start adding or rewriting lyrics to deal with fragility and mortality.  Just a thought.

Cheers,

J

And the rest of the band hopefully has the existing lyrics, so they can all work together and maybe come up with a 4th album?  ;)
No, what will happen is that after Songsof Ascent we will now get Songs of rapid Descent. Tracklist includes:

I fall down
Out of control
A day without me
50
trip through your wires
exit
So cruel
Numb
Some days are better than others
Last night on earth
Gone
Wake up dead man
Miracle Drug
Breathe
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: miryclay on January 17, 2015, 08:15:11 AM
They are going to come back...stronger...watch
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Parsons on January 17, 2015, 02:10:51 PM
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They are going to come back...stronger...watch

+1
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They are going to come back...stronger...watch

Nice to read some positivity .  :)
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: So Cruel on January 17, 2015, 03:10:29 PM
Releasing a weak first single and then waiting close to 5 months to release the follow up single is a complete head scratcher.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Inishfree on January 17, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
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They are going to come back...stronger...watch

+1

+ 2.   

Even if Bono does't play the guitar or on a more limited basis.  He has the crowd and is an amazing performer.  If you can get to see them.  Go!  I was finally able to get tickets and saw them in 2011.  What the critics called "greatest hits tour."  It was the best concert I have ever been to.  I am 58 years old and have seen a few bands in my life time.   U2, nothing compares.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: LightMyWay92 on January 17, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
No matter how many bands you see live in your lifetime, U2 will always be the best you'll ever see.  There has never been a live band like them and probably never will be.  The emotional connection between the band and the audience is incomparable.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Inishfree on January 17, 2015, 09:01:44 PM
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No matter how many bands you see live in your lifetime, U2 will always be the best you'll ever see.  There has never been a live band like them and probably never will be.  The emotional connection between the band and the audience is incomparable.

I agree…... :)
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: tom_b1807 on January 18, 2015, 05:31:52 AM
I don't know about everywhere else but Ive heard EBW a few times on the radio, and I only listen to it on the way to college and back.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: mdmomof7 on January 18, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
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I don't know about everywhere else but Ive heard EBW a few times on the radio, and I only listen to it on the way to college and back.

That's good news. I don't listen to the radio often. When I have listened, I haven't been hearing EBW - and only acoustic if anything.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: DGordon1 on January 18, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
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Releasing a weak first single and then waiting close to 5 months to release the follow up single is a complete head scratcher.

I agree. The Miracle is a decent enough track but not particularly exciting, and then nothing for months. They should release Volcano and California a couple of months apart or something, I don't understand the slow pace of activity. I doubt Bono's injury would be a pivotal factor but could be wrong.
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: mdmomof7 on January 19, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
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Fernanda Bottini Has just reported that songs of innocence has gone Platinum in Brazil

Was it at u2.com or twitter? Does she say how many platinum is for Brazil?
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: mdmomof7 on January 19, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
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Fernanda Bottini Has just reported that songs of innocence has gone Platinum in Brazil

Was it at u2.com or twitter? Does she say how many platinum is for Brazil?

she tweeted it...

what is platinum for brazil?

its not the same as usa where it would be one million

Thanks, spicy. :) I found her tweet before work.

I also don't know what platinum is in Brazil. My daughter's best friend's mom is Brazilian and she and her entire family just spent over a month there. I will ask next time I see her if she heard lots of U2 while there.  ;)
Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: jenniferh aka jen on January 19, 2015, 10:21:03 PM
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Fernanda Bottini Has just reported that songs of innocence has gone Platinum in Brazil

Was it at u2.com or twitter? Does she say how many platinum is for Brazil?

she tweeted it...

what is platinum for brazil?

its not the same as usa where it would be one million

Thanks, spicy. :) I found her tweet before work.

I also don't know what platinum is in Brazil. My daughter's best friend's mom is Brazilian and she and her entire family just spent over a month there. I will ask next time I see her if she heard lots of U2 while there.  ;)


Platinum in Brazil is way different then the USA. Brazil has two tiers - Domestic and International. This is what I was able to find, via the governing body (http://www.abpd.org.br/niveis_de_certificacao.asp):

Physical cd's
Domestic Platinum is 80,000
International Platinum is 40,000

Digital Singles - it doesn't distinguish between domestic or international
Platinum is 100,000 downloads

Title: Re: Did Bono's bike accident kill SOI 's momentum ?
Post by: Benett_10 on January 01, 2019, 02:23:45 AM
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