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Title: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 09:23:38 PM
Almost time for night 2!

1. Love Is All We Have Left
2. The Blackout
3. Lights of Home
4. I Will Follow
5. Gloria
6. BD
7. The Ocean
8. Iris
9. CR
10. SBS
11. RBW
12. UTEOTW
Intermission-HMTMKMKM
13. Elevation
14. Vertigo
15. Desire
16. Acrobat
17. Best Thing
18. Staring at the Sun
19. Pride
20. GOOYOW
21. American Soul
22. COBL

23. One
24. Love Is Bigger
25. 13
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: SwimmingSorrows on May 12, 2018, 09:52:32 PM
whoa, are they not gonna do Beautiful Day?  That would be pretty ballsy and cool.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
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whoa, are they not gonna do Beautiful Day?  That would be pretty ballsy and cool.

That would be nuts!  I suspect it's coming soon though.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: SwimmingSorrows on May 12, 2018, 09:57:25 PM
damn, just changed the order
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
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damn, just changed the order

Haha yep.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: redapple129 on May 12, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
Was hoping that RFD had been promoted to an every-night song. Guess I'll just have to hope it makes an appearance in DC.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: 3po1nt0 on May 12, 2018, 10:34:50 PM
1 less song in first set.  is saturday night going to get a 25 song show or are they going to add one in 2nd half somewhere?
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
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1 less song in first set.  is saturday night going to get a 25 song show or are they going to add one in 2nd half somewhere?

Hoping for Wild Horses to open the encore!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: 3po1nt0 on May 12, 2018, 10:40:59 PM
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1 less song in first set.  is saturday night going to get a 25 song show or are they going to add one in 2nd half somewhere?

Hoping for Wild Horses to open the encore!

that would be huge as the tour heads to LA, i just listened to AB and was reminded how incredible that track is. too bad it's been a 1-timer thus far
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: SwimmingSorrows on May 12, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
New Macphisto speech, and a better one, I think.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 10:56:48 PM
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New Macphisto speech, and a better one, I think.

He's starting to loosen up with it.  Being more spontaneous while still keeping the basic point the same.  It's good!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: 3po1nt0 on May 12, 2018, 11:37:10 PM
um...i know it's vegas and all but it's really not fair to play 2 shows with no difference except order switch and one less song. fingers crossed LA gets a song or 2 different
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Basskid on May 12, 2018, 11:39:25 PM
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um...i know it's vegas and all but it's really not fair to play 2 shows with no difference except order switch and one less song. fingers crossed LA gets a song or 2 different

I was just thinking is this the first time that night 2 was actually the lesser of the 2 nights setlist wise?
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 13, 2018, 12:26:17 AM
Iíve seen the last 4 shows. Disappointing that they take away songs when their playing small arenas. Three shows no change except for taking out RFD. Does not bode well to going to multiple show. And, the funny thing is, everyone around me was at last night.

Playing well! Hopefully they stretch out this tour.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: indiansummer on May 13, 2018, 01:11:19 AM
Just what I was thinking.  Rotating say 3 songs from night 1 to night 2 is not much to ask.
I am going to five shows this tour, if they play the same set at each I will be gutted! It will be the last time I go to multiple shows.
What with the repeat of some elements from ie tour and now static sets, I beginning to think what some people are saying that the band are just lazy. Sad days indeed....
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: crush_d on May 13, 2018, 05:30:52 AM
All my shows are at different venues (actually one show per venue). So I can just hope one of them gets RFD. Another hope is for non-accoustic TBTAY.
Otherwise LV2 was awesome!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: cmmott on May 13, 2018, 08:14:07 AM
Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again. And with these ticket prices I will be a one and done guy from now on. Also, as a long time fan...I am totally cool with them dropping JT songs and other war horses. However, itís having a huge impact on the vibe of the show. I was asked to sit down each time I stood for a song. Most of the place sat the entire show. It has to be tough for them to look up at empty seats and a sitting audience.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: boom boom on May 13, 2018, 09:29:39 AM
Yeah, I also have to say that this is really disappointing that they best they can offer for a 2nd night in Vegas is dropping one song and shifting the position of Beautiful Day and that is their idea of changing a set list.  Really imaginative U2.  Really this is just laziness.  I actually remember, some time back, I think on Vertigo tour, Steve Lillywhite joked that U2's idea of shaking up a set list is just playing it in reverse or changing the order. 

Really hope that they offer something different for multiple shows in the same city by the time they hit Montreal, which I'm not really excited to be going anymore, the only reason was that they are not playing Toronto, so decided to go to Montreal. With my luck, they will drop 2 songs and shift the order of another 2 songs and call that shaking up the set list.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 13, 2018, 10:15:08 AM
The amount of people sitting down during the show is disturbing. Most get up for the classics, but when there has been SOI/SOE songs- sitting begins. The stretch of SOI songs does not inspire the crowd. People either do not know the new material or do not like it. Plus, $330 tix seems to bring out more reserved people. When people start sitting for more than a song or two, it gets real hard to get their butts back up.

U2 needs to tweak the set list to keep momentum.


Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: indiansummer on May 13, 2018, 11:58:50 AM
U2 have always played almost the same set night to night but have never churned out the same songs in the same city in recent memory. Not even on ZooTV.
Rotate IWF with Electric Co and the two acoustics from a bank of 7 or 8 songs. That is not asking for much. Really poor effort if they don't. They owe it to the tens of thousands of  people around the globe that pay their hard earned cash to go to more than one show.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 13, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
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U2 have always played almost the same set night to night but have never churned out the same songs in the same city in recent memory. Not even on ZooTV.
Rotate IWF with Electric Co and the two acoustics from a bank of 7 or 8 songs. That is not asking for much. Really poor effort if they don't. They owe it to the tens of thousands of  people around the globe that pay their hard earned cash to go to more than one show.
All I was wanting was one or two changes. It was funny that's all it took.First time I've felt like they didn't give it their all. And I've seen a lot of shows.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: 73October on May 13, 2018, 02:46:38 PM
Were they tired?  Having done a show the night before, and then the night before that - partying for Bono's Birthday.  Does age catch up with you that much?
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: indiansummer on May 13, 2018, 02:52:43 PM
 This will be the last tour I go to multiple shows and I'm sure thousands of other fans will feel the same.

I don't accept the excuse the songs incorporate the visuals, if that is the case then make parts of the show without visuals !! Simple.

Ie tour had a nice variation , rotating an early slot and the 2 acoustic slots. Plus also a different closer in the encore. It is not that difficult to do.

The five shows I saw on ie tour last time, I saw a total of 32 songs and only 21 were the same at all five shows !!!!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: bonorules on May 13, 2018, 03:44:57 PM
I've never understood the fans who complain about how the band doesn't change the set list for every show. They don't put a set list together because you have chosen to go to or stream 2, 3, 20 shows of the same tour. I'm sure the band very much appreciates that you are a big enough fan to want to see them that many times on one tour, but they really put the set list together for the 75% or so of the audience that is only going to see them that one time. The band never mentioned shaking up the set list each night, and have never really been known for doing that anyway, so I'm not sure why some fans get upset with them when it is YOU having placed YOUR expectation of different songs each night on them.

U2 has never been a band that shakes up the list a lot, so it amazes me that there are still fans out there that put this expectation on them and then get upset when it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: indiansummer on May 13, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
U2 does not shake up the setlist a lot is true. It is not true though that they play the same set night to night.
They have historically rotated songs and one of the major reasons is for their fans. If they don't recognise to do this, it is a slap in the face.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 13, 2018, 06:59:23 PM
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U2 does not shake up the setlist a lot is true. It is not true though that they play the same set night to night.
They have historically rotated songs and one of the major reasons is for their fans. If they don't recognise to do this, it is a slap in the face.

I went to 24 shows in 2015 (my retirement vacation/tour)and they always changed a few songs EVERY night. They changed up songs in all 8 shows I saw 2001 arenas and  8 shows in 2005. Usually not for stadiums. Not doing it now, definitely a slap in the face! I'm not adding shows this tour and no multiple shows in the future.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 13, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
PEOPLE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIT DOWN?????
AT A BLEEDING ROCK CONCERT????

<cries>
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 13, 2018, 08:39:29 PM
Am I going to have to get into a brawl or something? Because I am not sitting down.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: redapple129 on May 13, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
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I've never understood the fans who complain about how the band doesn't change the set list for every show. They don't put a set list together because you have chosen to go to or stream 2, 3, 20 shows of the same tour. I'm sure the band very much appreciates that you are a big enough fan to want to see them that many times on one tour, but they really put the set list together for the 75% or so of the audience that is only going to see them that one time. The band never mentioned shaking up the set list each night, and have never really been known for doing that anyway, so I'm not sure why some fans get upset with them when it is YOU having placed YOUR expectation of different songs each night on them.

U2 has never been a band that shakes up the list a lot, so it amazes me that there are still fans out there that put this expectation on them and then get upset when it doesn't happen.

Normally I'm in agreement with this sentiment, but even for them this is static. On I+E they carved out pockets of the setlist that they could vary night-to-night; my pair of shows in Chicago had 9 songs out of 47 unique to one show, and going through a couple other cities from the tour that number seems fairly typical (despite their being the tour premieres of Gloria and Crystal Ballroom). As much as I would love to be guaranteed to hear Gloria and RFD at my show, that stretch of real estate (along with IWF, as it no longer needs to be the thematic transition between the rock opening and SOI story that it was on I+E) is what's ideal to mix up, as they had been earlier in the tour; add Electric Co. to the ABOY and NYD that had been played there previously and that's a good pool of songs to keep things varied. 2nd half variety is trickier, as having BD in the opening (which is better for it IMO than a war horse slot) and no JT means they don't have a ton of options to swap for Elevation, Vertigo, and Desire, which have no story implications and aren't new songs making them ideal for varying, but Mysterious Ways would work. (I'd love to have Crystal Ballroom or The Fly be in the mix, but they don't quite have the down-to-the-most-casual-fan recognition needed here.) They're also set on closing the show on a fixed story, eliminating a point of flexibility from I+E.

Even 20% variability night-to-night is jarring to lose if it drops to almost zero, especially if that "variability" is deleting a song without replacement.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 13, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
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I've never understood the fans who complain about how the band doesn't change the set list for every show. They don't put a set list together because you have chosen to go to or stream 2, 3, 20 shows of the same tour. I'm sure the band very much appreciates that you are a big enough fan to want to see them that many times on one tour, but they really put the set list together for the 75% or so of the audience that is only going to see them that one time. The band never mentioned shaking up the set list each night, and have never really been known for doing that anyway, so I'm not sure why some fans get upset with them when it is YOU having placed YOUR expectation of different songs each night on them.

U2 has never been a band that shakes up the list a lot, so it amazes me that there are still fans out there that put this expectation on them and then get upset when it doesn't happen.

Yeah many of us uber fans do have an expectation that there will be some changes for a multi-show run in a single city. Not big changes, just one or two songs. You may think that an expectation of very minimal changes to the show from night to night is too much to ask for. But I don't, & as you can read above, I'm not the only one.

No, us multi-show ticket holders don't make up a large proportion of the crowd. But when you are failing to sell out either show of a two night run in Vegas, curtaining off entire sections (a bad look), every seat counts! We all know that for Live Nation, this is purely a money making exercise. So they probably should cater to U2's most loyal fans, as it will have some effect on the shows finances. Mopping up the remaining tickets for this leg (of which there are plenty), & particularly when it comes to buying tickets for future legs & tours.

I saw 5 shows on i+e. Some of my highlights we're seeing Gloria once, in the opening set rotation slot, & seeing Party Girl & AIWIY once, in the e-stage rotation slots.

For e+i I currently have tickets to European two shows. I was thinking about getting tickets to a third, but a lack of rotation will certainly make me reconsider this. If they make it to Australia I'll likely come home for that. But if there are no changes to the set it may only be for one or two shows, or I may not even come home at all for the tour.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: GoldenStateGirl on May 13, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
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PEOPLE ARE BEING ASKED TO SIT DOWN?????
AT A BLEEDING ROCK CONCERT????

<cries>
Shine that.
I. Will. Stand.
And dance. And pogo. And dream aloud!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Billy Rhythm on May 14, 2018, 12:44:13 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: the_chief on May 14, 2018, 01:02:39 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Luzita on May 14, 2018, 02:03:40 AM
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I've never understood the fans who complain about how the band doesn't change the set list for every show. They don't put a set list together because you have chosen to go to or stream 2, 3, 20 shows of the same tour. I'm sure the band very much appreciates that you are a big enough fan to want to see them that many times on one tour, but they really put the set list together for the 75% or so of the audience that is only going to see them that one time. The band never mentioned shaking up the set list each night, and have never really been known for doing that anyway, so I'm not sure why some fans get upset with them when it is YOU having placed YOUR expectation of different songs each night on them.

U2 has never been a band that shakes up the list a lot, so it amazes me that there are still fans out there that put this expectation on them and then get upset when it doesn't happen.

Yeah many of us uber fans do have an expectation that there will be some changes for a multi-show run in a single city. Not big changes, just one or two songs. You may think that an expectation of very minimal changes to the show from night to night is too much to ask for. But I don't, & as you can read above, I'm not the only one.

No, us multi-show ticket holders don't make up a large proportion of the crowd. But when you are failing to sell out either show of a two night run in Vegas, curtaining off entire sections (a bad look), every seat counts! We all know that for Live Nation, this is purely a money making exercise. So they probably should cater to U2's most loyal fans, as it will have some effect on the shows finances. Mopping up the remaining tickets for this leg (of which there are plenty), & particularly when it comes to buying tickets for future legs & tours.

I saw 5 shows on i+e. Some of my highlights we're seeing Gloria once, in the opening set rotation slot, & seeing Party Girl & AIWIY once, in the e-stage rotation slots.

For e+i I currently have tickets to European two shows. I was thinking about getting tickets to a third, but a lack of rotation will certainly make me reconsider this. If they make it to Australia I'll likely come home for that. But if there are no changes to the set it may only be for one or two shows, or I may not even come home at all for the tour.
I was at the first Vegas show and I donít understand what you mean about curtained sections. The arena wasnít completely full but it was nearly full, and there were no curtained sections.


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Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 02:24:04 AM
Sorry, I meant to say Vegas weren't sell outs, while other shows even had curtained off sections. It was San Jose 2, not Vegas 2 that was curtained off behind the stage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/U2tour/status/994040002060410881

As was St Louis.

https://mobile.twitter.com/U2Valencia/status/994171835834163200/photo/1

Vegas 1 was much better. Though I noticed AXS was still showing plenty of seats available (not resale), well into the show.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 14, 2018, 03:29:12 AM
Um... I was at both U2 shows in Vegas. I had seats for nite one. I was constantly checking Ticketmaster and AXS daily, which were the official ticket sellers. Nite 1 was sold out. I don't know where you got your information. The only tickets available for nite 1 were aftermarket, which is never counted in terms of determining a sold-out show. Also, being there there didn't seem to be many empty seats on nite 1. Nite 2 perhaps had some, which isn't surprising considering Vegas isn't that big of a city and LA and San Jose are both 2 nite events. Vegas would usually get a lot of people traveling from CA if the events are too close together.

Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 14, 2018, 03:42:52 AM
In general, I am disappointed that there were no song differences between the 2 Vegas shows. Did I want more? Would I like to have heard different songs I have experienced yet on this tour? Or course.

However, am I extremely thrilled I went to nite 2 (got tickets late)? F YEAH! Nite 2 was seamless compared to Nite 1, everything flowed much more smoothly. Every single song except Love is Bigger, was much better on Nite 2. I got chills from songs I did not feel as moved by, the night before.

Ive been to a few shows from bands where there are 2 nites in a row, and little to no setlist change occurred. I go with the expectation it will most likely be the same unless it's a band known to be more of a jam band. I go for the experience and thrill of live music, where the same songs may have a different feel or impact with different crowds, and the band may perform the songs differently, no matter how small the change. The feel and character of a show is different, even if the setlist is exactly the same.

Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 03:50:49 AM
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Um... I was at both U2 shows in Vegas. I had seats for nite one. I was constantly checking Ticketmaster and AXS daily, which were the official ticket sellers. Nite 1 was sold out. I don't know where you got your information. The only tickets available for nite 1 were aftermarket, which is never counted in terms of determining a sold-out show. Also, being there there didn't seem to be many empty seats on nite 1. Nite 2 perhaps had some, which isn't surprising considering Vegas isn't that big of a city and LA and San Jose are both 2 nite events. Vegas would usually get a lot of people traveling from CA if the events are too close together.

Well that’s weird, because I was on the AXS site for days leading up to the shows. Looking for a GA or cheap seat for a friend, for Vegas 2.

There were plenty of uppers for Vegas 1 from $46 in the corners, & some further around behind the stage for that price. Moving around to $81 seats, in the uppers adjacent to the stage. Vegas 2 had zero seats behind the stage available, & started at $81 for uppers adjacent to the stage. I thought that it was a bit weird that Vegas 2 had zero seats still available behind the stage, & was expecting seats to drop here at some stage. So I was keeping a VERY CLOSE EYE on seats right through the first show. GA’s for Vegas 2 dropped half way through the first show, right around the intermission, & didn’t sell out until an hour or two after the show finished.

My friend managed to get one of these GA’s for Vegas 2, so I stopped searching, so have no idea if any more seats dropped for Vegas 2.

Yeah, weird that you said you couldn’t find anything. Are you sure you were looking at AXS’s site for primary sales, not resales (do they even have resales)? AXS was the official seller, so I didn’t go anywhere near the TM site, thankfully. Happy to keep away from Ticket b******, when I can.

All very strange, I’m in Australia. But I can’t believe that my address would have any effect on my ability to get tickets.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 14, 2018, 04:09:44 AM
Odd.  For Vegas 1 there was nothing when I checked. Vegas 2 I saw plenty of open seats on both Ticketmaster and AXS. Ticketmaster didn't even have a link for Vegas 1 for almost a week before, due to it being "sold out", while it still had a link for Vegas 2 right up to near show start. And I was looking for official tickets first, then would check for resale. I wonder if there is some sort of reserve for a number of tickets based on location?

I ended up getting decent price on resale for GA elsewhere for both nite 1 last minute. Nite 2, I had already bought GA resale several weeks before, so prices did had not gone down yet.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 04:28:35 AM
Yeah, very odd. This is what I wrote to my friend on Thursday 10th. Nothing much changed right up until showtime for Vegas 1.

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And this for Vegas 2

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Haha, totally weird if they were just selling seats to Aussies. I couldn't have gotten there on time if I wanted to!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: boom boom on May 14, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
With reports from the first few shows that there are unsold seats and sections curtained off, what does this mean for the future for U2.  Even last year, I noticed it on the JT tour, with sections on the upper decks in Pittsburgh and Buffalo curtained off.  It is evident that U2's popularity on the live circuit at least in North America is dwindling with tickets still left for this tour even in major cities like LA, Boston, Chicago, New York, which would be unheard of before.

I found it hard to believe that U2 don't notice this themselves or choose to turn a blind eye on the empty or curtained off sections.  I'm sure it is not going to get easier of future tours.  I think they have over-saturated themselves over the last few years with 3 tours in the last 4 years.

Also after this tour, I think U2 might have lost a lot of the casual fans, who are going to remember that this tour, U2 played a whole lot of new songs that they didn't know, didn't play any JT songs and probably might want to sit out the next tour which might be a good thing (maybe not for U2) but for us die hard fans, in that we might (and I'm probably dreaming) get a tour focused on the core fans rather than the casual fans, in terms of mixing it up more and playing more rarities.

Also, not only casual fans might be done with U2 for a while, but also U2's hardcore fan base.  With a lot of us complaining with U2's static set and nothing being changed for multiple nights in the same city, a lot of us are saying they are done with going to multiple shows, which are definitely going to effect ticket sales on the next tour.  With high ticket prices and static set list, I think a large portion of U2's hardcore base will be going to less shows.

Easy way to bring back both sets of fans is lower tickets prices.  People on the fence thinking whether to go, might choose to buy a ticket and hard core fans might go for more shows if tickets were lower.

Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: the_chief on May 14, 2018, 06:00:29 AM
Jesus Christ....

A few rows of empty seats at a gig or two and all of a sudden it's the end for them.
Losing all their fans...

Hysterical much no?!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: McSwilly on May 14, 2018, 07:33:02 AM
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With reports from the first few shows that there are unsold seats and sections curtained off, what does this mean for the future for U2.  Even last year, I noticed it on the JT tour, with sections on the upper decks in Pittsburgh and Buffalo curtained off.  It is evident that U2's popularity on the live circuit at least in North America is dwindling with tickets still left for this tour even in major cities like LA, Boston, Chicago, New York, which would be unheard of before.

I found it hard to believe that U2 don't notice this themselves or choose to turn a blind eye on the empty or curtained off sections.  I'm sure it is not going to get easier of future tours.  I think they have over-saturated themselves over the last few years with 3 tours in the last 4 years.

Also after this tour, I think U2 might have lost a lot of the casual fans, who are going to remember that this tour, U2 played a whole lot of new songs that they didn't know, didn't play any JT songs and probably might want to sit out the next tour which might be a good thing (maybe not for U2) but for us die hard fans, in that we might (and I'm probably dreaming) get a tour focused on the core fans rather than the casual fans, in terms of mixing it up more and playing more rarities.

Also, not only casual fans might be done with U2 for a while, but also U2's hardcore fan base.  With a lot of us complaining with U2's static set and nothing being changed for multiple nights in the same city, a lot of us are saying they are done with going to multiple shows, which are definitely going to effect ticket sales on the next tour.  With high ticket prices and static set list, I think a large portion of U2's hardcore base will be going to less shows.

Easy way to bring back both sets of fans is lower tickets prices.  People on the fence thinking whether to go, might choose to buy a ticket and hard core fans might go for more shows if tickets were lower.


Agree with all of this except one thing - the seats are not failing to sell due to price, it is the poor quality of the last 3 albums, and their insistence on playing so many new songs, in my opinion. They will need to take a long time off to figure our their next step.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Billy Rhythm on May 14, 2018, 08:15:16 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...
It's easily the weakest song on the 'Achtung Baby' album...  it was only because of its long absence from their shows that it sparked so much curiosity from the hardcore fans...  most U2 fans really don't care about 'Acrobat' (a lot of them aren't even familiar with it)...  really, what's so great about it?  every other song on the album rips it to shreds...  it's more along the lines of their B-Sides and would've fit in much better there, in my opinion...

People think that because it's been trumpeted on the boards for years that it belongs amongst their upper echelon of great recordings or something...  it's filler and having it as a showcase on a tour in 2018 tells me that they're beginning to scrape the bottom of the barrel here...  The song even had to be dressed up with a MacPhisto intro to give it some gusto...  The slot, like many others, in the set could've been put to much better use...  I'd probably like the song a lot more if it weren't for the hardcores going on about how great it is...:-)
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 14, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
Acrobat being "easily the weakest song" on AB is your opinion and nothing more.

For me, Acrobat is one of the strongest, and I know people talk about the closing three songs on the album as being a high (if dark) point of their careers.

Hate Acrobat if you want, that's cool, but to ascribe a personal opinion of it that is not widely shared as a sign U2's tour sucks and their careers over is a real stretch and not based on any logic.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 14, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 14, 2018, 10:48:32 AM
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I found it hard to believe that U2 don't notice this themselves or choose to turn a blind eye on the empty or curtained off sections.  I'm sure it is not going to get easier of future tours.  I think they have over-saturated themselves over the last few years with 3 tours in the last 4 years.

Also after this tour, I think U2 might have lost a lot of the casual fans, who are going to remember that this tour, U2 played a whole lot of new songs that they didn't know, didn't play any JT songs and probably might want to sit out the next tour which might be a good thing (maybe not for U2) but for us die hard fans, in that we might (and I'm probably dreaming) get a tour focused on the core fans rather than the casual fans, in terms of mixing it up more and playing more rarities.


Right question, but wrong conclusion. 

Look......SOE is a sub-par U2 album, and one that clearly isn't setting the music world on fire.  That said, this tour could STILL be packing them in if they weren't charging $375 a seat.  It's just not worth it for this set list.  The JT tour last year was brilliant and perfectly-priced for what it was.  This tour is the opposite of that -- dense, inaccessible set list for twice the price.

If they want to tour for core fans, then they might as well have done a fan-club only tour and STILL charge less per seat because they've already got us for the annual membership fee.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 14, 2018, 10:58:20 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.

Acrobat, thematically, fits this show perfectly -- the hypocrisy of the human heart. Edge's solo is incredible. It is among Larry's best work.

Not sure I could disagree with you more. There are other rarely-played songs on AB, and they were not the subject of petition after petition. I don't remember anyone tweeting at the band about So Cruel or Tryin' To Throw Your Arms ... though they are both good songs.

U2 shows are meant to be seen ONCE. Gambling that you are going to get a vastly different show night 2 as opposed to night 1 is just that -- a gamble. There's really no precedent for U2 drastically revising shows from night to night -- especially on a tour that is this choreographed.

All due respect, be disappointed all you want, but I sure hope you are disappointed in your own expectations and not the band.

Lastly, people decided not to pay $375 for a seat BEFORE they saw the setlist. Let's watch the revisionist history. The fact of the matter is, U2 have played a lot of shows in North America, the fan base is getting older, and they were just out a year ago.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: the_chief on May 14, 2018, 11:33:16 AM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.

So, their most requested song and the song that was raved about for years on here is now suddenly "weak"

Basically, you're saying it's sh**....

I notice you're new....
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: space baby on May 14, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
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U2 shows are meant to be seen ONCE. Gambling that you are going to get a vastly different show night 2 as opposed to night 1 is just that -- a gamble. There's really no precedent for U2 drastically revising shows from night to night -- especially on a tour that is this choreographed.

The audience is the variable. U2 are professionals and always deliver in my experience. When playing to a hungry audience, they throw it down extra hard. The energy from the crowd is what changes night to night and that's why I enjoy catching multiple shows.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 14, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
U2 ALWAYS changed the set every night on the I &E tour. 6 shows in London, 6 different shows. Usually only changing 2-4 songs, but they did.

So, my expectation was they would do the same as EVERY arena show Iíve ever seen (47 arena shows). The band changed a Ďfavorí they were doing for fans going to more than one show. And, I was hoping they were changing/playing different songs for fun and impact too.But, you are right, this tour is meant to be seen once! Wonderful show!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 14, 2018, 11:53:54 AM
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Acrobat being "easily the weakest song" on AB is your opinion and nothing more.

For me, Acrobat is one of the strongest, and I know people talk about the closing three songs on the album as being a high (if dark) point of their careers.

Hate Acrobat if you want, that's cool, but to ascribe a personal opinion of it that is not widely shared as a sign U2's tour sucks and their careers over is a real stretch and not based on any logic.
Agreed. Edge's solo alone lifts it above half the album.

Also, Achtung Baby is a very eclectic album. There are maybe 3-5 tracks that a good majority rank in their top 3, but after that it seems like opinion on songs is all over that place. Personally, Ive seen a lot of people on this forum show their love for Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, while that is by far my least favorite.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 14, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
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U2 ALWAYS changed the set every night on the I &E tour. 6 shows in London, 6 different shows. Usually only changing 2-4 songs, but they did.

So, my expectation was they would do the same as EVERY arena show Iíve ever seen (47 arena shows). The band changed a Ďfavorí they were doing for fans going to more than one show. And, I was hoping they were changing/playing different songs for fun and impact too.But, you are right, this tour is meant to be seen once! Wonderful show!

Right. By drastically, I meant beyond 2-4 songs, but your point is taken.

You obviously aren't one of these fans, but I get really frustrated for -- not at, mind you, FOR -- fans who have unrealistic expectations. It happens every single tour. THIS TOUR -- the new one, the one that is always about to start -- is ALWAYS the one where the setlists are going to wild and wide open and the band is just going to let the music speak and focus less on tech and visuals and they are going to play 3-hour shows. Oh, and if a show was canceled on the last tour, the expectation that city will get an extra-special show this time to make up for it.

I don't know if there's an influx of new, wide-eyed fans who come in every time with these expectations, or if some folks just can't let go and will always be dreamers, but it always makes me cringe to see these expectations. Grandpa over here just smiles and shakes his head. Drowning Man? No, child. Elevation. That's what you are going to get. :)
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: dougie on May 14, 2018, 01:47:36 PM
Heck, last arena tour they were playing BAD pretty much one of every two shows (some times only once in 4 shows). Donít have to worry about missing your favorite song now.

If they need to sell extra seats in cities, just say their going to play Streets (or insert song here) at one of the two shows😏
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Luzita on May 14, 2018, 02:21:18 PM
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I found it hard to believe that U2 don't notice this themselves or choose to turn a blind eye on the empty or curtained off sections.  I'm sure it is not going to get easier of future tours.  I think they have over-saturated themselves over the last few years with 3 tours in the last 4 years.

Also after this tour, I think U2 might have lost a lot of the casual fans, who are going to remember that this tour, U2 played a whole lot of new songs that they didn't know, didn't play any JT songs and probably might want to sit out the next tour which might be a good thing (maybe not for U2) but for us die hard fans, in that we might (and I'm probably dreaming) get a tour focused on the core fans rather than the casual fans, in terms of mixing it up more and playing more rarities.


Right question, but wrong conclusion. 

Look......SOE is a sub-par U2 album, and one that clearly isn't setting the music world on fire.  That said, this tour could STILL be packing them in if they weren't charging $375 a seat.  It's just not worth it for this set list.  The JT tour last year was brilliant and perfectly-priced for what it was.  This tour is the opposite of that -- dense, inaccessible set list for twice the price.

If they want to tour for core fans, then they might as well have done a fan-club only tour and STILL charge less per seat because they've already got us for the annual membership fee.

I agree with most of what you said but disagree that SOE is a sub-par album. It may not be setting the music world on fire but itís not doing badly considering. As has been discussed in other threads, U2 are old and they play rock, which is no longer the dominant genre, so getting noticed outside the fandom is an uphill battle for them.


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Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 03:10:17 PM
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U2 ALWAYS changed the set every night on the I &E tour. 6 shows in London, 6 different shows. Usually only changing 2-4 songs, but they did.

So, my expectation was they would do the same as EVERY arena show I’ve ever seen (47 arena shows). The band changed a ‘favor’ they were doing for fans going to more than one show. And, I was hoping they were changing/playing different songs for fun and impact too.But, you are right, this tour is meant to be seen once! Wonderful show!

Right. By drastically, I meant beyond 2-4 songs, but your point is taken.

You obviously aren't one of these fans, but I get really frustrated for -- not at, mind you, FOR -- fans who have unrealistic expectations. It happens every single tour. THIS TOUR -- the new one, the one that is always about to start -- is ALWAYS the one where the setlists are going to wild and wide open and the band is just going to let the music speak and focus less on tech and visuals and they are going to play 3-hour shows. Oh, and if a show was canceled on the last tour, the expectation that city will get an extra-special show this time to make up for it.

I don't know if there's an influx of new, wide-eyed fans who come in every time with these expectations, or if some folks just can't let go and will always be dreamers, but it always makes me cringe to see these expectations. Grandpa over here just smiles and shakes his head. Drowning Man? No, child. Elevation. That's what you are going to get. :)

That's the thing though. I don't see anyone with unrealistic expectations, complaining that the set isn't drastically different from night one to night two. Sure, we have "write your dream setlist" threads. But they are just lists of dreams, not expectations (other than in the early days, when night one & two of i+e were looking like they'd be completely different). Every post I've read with complains about the lack of variation, people are hoping for one or two changes, no wholesale changes. If people had expectations of drastic changes, then yeah, I'd agree with you. But I don't think one or two changes is too much to ask.

Maybe the band have had issues. Not happy with other rehearsed songs like WGRYWH, ABOY & The Showman. Or maybe they've needed  St Louis & Vegas 2 to be shorter for some reason, technical issues, timing, health, something else. Who knows.

But hopefully we'll know by the conclusion of LA2, whether we'll get a rotation slot or two or not. A couple more days to rehearse a bit & get another song or two up to scratch. Or a couple of days, to chill & relax, before doing it all over again at LA1.

We shall see.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 14, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
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Heck, last arena tour they were playing BAD pretty much one of every two shows (some times only once in 4 shows). Donít have to worry about missing your favorite song now.

If they need to sell extra seats in cities, just say their going to play Streets (or insert song here) at one of the two shows😏

Again ... when the tickets went on sale, people had no idea what they were playing. Would you have bet five months ago that Streets would be out on this tour? No one made the decision to go or not go based on the setlist until AFTER the first show, which was only 10 days ago. In all honesty, I think most people assume U2 sells out instantly anyway -- like in the old days -- and don't give it much thought. I'd like to see stats on what percentage of tickets are sold during presales and the first day of general public sales as opposed to all the rest of the the time leading up to the show.

Is there any such thing as a walk-up crowd or a slow-seller any more? Don't you think people have already decided if they want to see this show or not, and the inclusion of Streets or WOWY is kind of irrelevant at this point?
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 14, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
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U2 ALWAYS changed the set every night on the I &E tour. 6 shows in London, 6 different shows. Usually only changing 2-4 songs, but they did.

So, my expectation was they would do the same as EVERY arena show Iíve ever seen (47 arena shows). The band changed a Ďfavorí they were doing for fans going to more than one show. And, I was hoping they were changing/playing different songs for fun and impact too.But, you are right, this tour is meant to be seen once! Wonderful show!

Right. By drastically, I meant beyond 2-4 songs, but your point is taken.

You obviously aren't one of these fans, but I get really frustrated for -- not at, mind you, FOR -- fans who have unrealistic expectations. It happens every single tour. THIS TOUR -- the new one, the one that is always about to start -- is ALWAYS the one where the setlists are going to wild and wide open and the band is just going to let the music speak and focus less on tech and visuals and they are going to play 3-hour shows. Oh, and if a show was canceled on the last tour, the expectation that city will get an extra-special show this time to make up for it.

I don't know if there's an influx of new, wide-eyed fans who come in every time with these expectations, or if some folks just can't let go and will always be dreamers, but it always makes me cringe to see these expectations. Grandpa over here just smiles and shakes his head. Drowning Man? No, child. Elevation. That's what you are going to get. :)

That's the thing though. I don't see anyone with unrealistic expectations, complaining that the set isn't drastically different from night one to night two. Sure, we have "write your dream setlist" threads. But they are just lists of dreams, not expectations (other than in the early days, when night one & two of i+e were looking like they'd be completely different). Every post I've read with complains about the lack of variation, people are hoping for one or two changes, no wholesale changes. If people had expectations of drastic changes, then yeah, I'd agree with you. But I don't think one or two changes is too much to ask.

Maybe the band have had issues. Not happy with other rehearsed songs like WGRYWH, ABOY & The Showman. Or maybe they've needed  St Louis & Vegas 2 to be shorter for some reason, technical issues, timing, health, something else. Who knows.

But hopefully we'll know by the conclusion of LA2, whether we'll get a rotation slot or two or not. A couple more days to rehearse a bit & get another song or two up to scratch. Or a couple of days, to chill & relax, before doing it all over again at LA1.

We shall see.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Las Vegas was the first two-night stand of the tour, right? I wouldn't say there's not going to be any variation at all based on one 2-night run. It feels like they are still figuring out what works best, but given the narrative nature of this tour, they may at some point lock in on a setlist they really like it and play it every single show. At these ticket prices (other than the floor) they have assumed that not that many people are seeing multiple shows.

Heck, maybe they are actively trying to discourage it in the future to free up tickets? That might be a dangerous game to play.

This is just me, but I would rather know for sure I am going to get Gloria instead of worry over whether it is going to be Gloria or All Because Of You, you know what I mean? Give me the setlist with Gloria and Red Flag Day and we are 5 x 5.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 03:34:42 PM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.
This is definitely a post that could use an "IMO", instead of an "IS", like you're stating a known fact. Because your opinion certainly differs A LOT, from the majority of fans on Twitter that listed Acrobat as the song they'd most like to hear live, myself included.

And insinuating that you know why the band hasn't played Acrobat before, because it's weak. I have know idea why they haven't played it. I'd assume it's because it's very dark, & Bono hasn't felt like he wanted to immerse himself in those thoughts, night after night, if it was a concert regular. Or it might be because it's very difficult to play (I assume, I'm not a musician) - just look at all bthe guys concentration during that song, & Edges face melting solo. Just assumptions though.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 14, 2018, 03:43:25 PM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.
This is definitely a post that could use an "IMO", instead of an "IS", like you're stating a known fact. Because your opinion certainly differs A LOT, from the majority of fans on Twitter that listed Acrobat as the song they'd most like to hear live, myself included.

And insinuating that you know why the band hasn't played Acrobat before, because it's weak. I have know idea why they haven't played it. I'd assume it's because it's very dark, & Bono hasn't felt like he wanted to immerse himself in those thoughts, night after night, if it was a concert regular. Or it might be because it's very difficult to play (I assume, I'm not a musician) - just look at all bthe guys concentration during that song, & Edges face melting solo. Just assumptions though.

IMO, UTEOTW is the weakest song on Achtung Baby -- not that it is a bad song, but someone has to finish last -- and that thing has been played to death and back over the last 25 years.

I'm not a musician either, but I seem to remember speculation that it is in fact a difficult song to perform. It is actually relatively basic when you think about it, which means they don't have anywhere to hide. Edge isn't playing over Dallas and other piped-in guitar parts, Bono's vocals aren't treated, there are no backing vocals to speak of at all, the the rhythm section is out front.

There is nowhere to hide. I just don't think they ever really found a spot for it on ZooTV and there were so many other more popular choices on Achtung Baby, it just got pushed aside.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
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U2 ALWAYS changed the set every night on the I &E tour. 6 shows in London, 6 different shows. Usually only changing 2-4 songs, but they did.

So, my expectation was they would do the same as EVERY arena show I’ve ever seen (47 arena shows). The band changed a Ďfavorí they were doing for fans going to more than one show. And, I was hoping they were changing/playing different songs for fun and impact too.But, you are right, this tour is meant to be seen once! Wonderful show!

Right. By drastically, I meant beyond 2-4 songs, but your point is taken.

You obviously aren't one of these fans, but I get really frustrated for -- not at, mind you, FOR -- fans who have unrealistic expectations. It happens every single tour. THIS TOUR -- the new one, the one that is always about to start -- is ALWAYS the one where the setlists are going to wild and wide open and the band is just going to let the music speak and focus less on tech and visuals and they are going to play 3-hour shows. Oh, and if a show was canceled on the last tour, the expectation that city will get an extra-special show this time to make up for it.

I don't know if there's an influx of new, wide-eyed fans who come in every time with these expectations, or if some folks just can't let go and will always be dreamers, but it always makes me cringe to see these expectations. Grandpa over here just smiles and shakes his head. Drowning Man? No, child. Elevation. That's what you are going to get. :)

That's the thing though. I don't see anyone with unrealistic expectations, complaining that the set isn't drastically different from night one to night two. Sure, we have "write your dream setlist" threads. But they are just lists of dreams, not expectations (other than in the early days, when night one & two of i+e were looking like they'd be completely different). Every post I've read with complains about the lack of variation, people are hoping for one or two changes, no wholesale changes. If people had expectations of drastic changes, then yeah, I'd agree with you. But I don't think one or two changes is too much to ask.

Maybe the band have had issues. Not happy with other rehearsed songs like WGRYWH, ABOY & The Showman. Or maybe they've needed  St Louis & Vegas 2 to be shorter for some reason, technical issues, timing, health, something else. Who knows.

But hopefully we'll know by the conclusion of LA2, whether we'll get a rotation slot or two or not. A couple more days to rehearse a bit & get another song or two up to scratch. Or a couple of days, to chill & relax, before doing it all over again at LA1.

We shall see.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Las Vegas was the first two-night stand of the tour, right? I wouldn't say there's not going to be any variation at all based on one 2-night run. It feels like they are still figuring out what works best, but given the narrative nature of this tour, they may at some point lock in on a setlist they really like it and play it every single show. At these ticket prices (other than the floor) they have assumed that not that many people are seeing multiple shows.
Agree, it's early days, & the shows still coming together. I'll wait & see, & see if I want to purchase another show, based on a touch of variation.

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Heck, maybe they are actively trying to discourage it in the future to free up tickets? That might be a dangerous game to play.
They'd certainly be playing with fire.

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Give me the setlist with Gloria and Red Flag Day and we are 5 x 5.
Haha. I could have written that, if it was a choice between Gloria & ABOY. I've had those thoughts, "please RFD, please Gloria, & please not ABOY"! But I guess I'm willing to risk it for a bit of variation over my few shows. For those doing a single show, then yeah, best set possible. But how about if it was reversed, & the band chose to dump RFD for ABOY, & you got ABOY x 5, ouch! Give me some variation.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 04:07:36 PM
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IMO, UTEOTW is the weakest song on Achtung Baby -- not that it is a bad song, but someone has to finish last -- and that thing has been played to death and back over the last 25 years.

Not my favourite song on the album, but I absolutely loved UTEOTW on i+e, so full of energy, concluding with those awe inspiring visuals! That's one song I certainly don't mind having a repeat performance at e+i.

Haha, I love that the world is so varied, opinions that are polar opposite. But U2 are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Impossible to keep everyone happy.

As for the album, like someone else said here, TTTYAATW & So Cruel are the weak ones for me. While I think the final three are all brilliant, positioned perfectly on the album. The best ending sequence to any album ever!
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: cmmott on May 14, 2018, 07:18:45 PM
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I've never understood the fans who complain about how the band doesn't change the set list for every show. They don't put a set list together because you have chosen to go to or stream 2, 3, 20 shows of the same tour. I'm sure the band very much appreciates that you are a big enough fan to want to see them that many times on one tour, but they really put the set list together for the 75% or so of the audience that is only going to see them that one time. The band never mentioned shaking up the set list each night, and have never really been known for doing that anyway, so I'm not sure why some fans get upset with them when it is YOU having placed YOUR expectation of different songs each night on them.

U2 has never been a band that shakes up the list a lot, so it amazes me that there are still fans out there that put this expectation on them and then get upset when it doesn't happen.

Donít disagree in terms of expecting wholesale changes. They have to assume most of the crowd is seeing only one show. Maybe throwing the minority of us going to multiples a bone with a 1-2 song change up. My primary concern is dependency on new material that has led to lack of crowd engagement. Letís face it, part of the U2 live experience is the audience connection and that is missing on this tour. I love the new stuff musically and it sounds great but it loses punch when 90% of the audience are on their keesters.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: d.darroch on May 14, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
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My primary concern is dependency on new material that has led to lack of crowd engagement. Letís face it, part of the U2 live experience is the audience connection and that is missing on this tour. I love the new stuff musically and it sounds great but it loses punch when 90% of the audience are on their keesters.

Yeah, that's the only reason that I wouldn't mind Streets being added late in the show. Just to get the casuals out of their seats & involved. I haven't seen a show yet, but from what's been said the show seems to peter out for much of the audience.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 15, 2018, 07:41:57 AM
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IMO, UTEOTW is the weakest song on Achtung Baby -- not that it is a bad song, but someone has to finish last -- and that thing has been played to death and back over the last 25 years.

Not my favourite song on the album, but I absolutely loved UTEOTW on i+e, so full of energy, concluding with those awe inspiring visuals! That's one song I certainly don't mind having a repeat performance at e+i.

Haha, I love that the world is so varied, opinions that are polar opposite. But U2 are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Impossible to keep everyone happy.

As for the album, like someone else said here, TTTYAATW & So Cruel are the weak ones for me. While I think the final three are all brilliant, positioned perfectly on the album. The best ending sequence to any album ever!

See, because U2 shows are so visual and scripted, I can accept static sets from them more readily than I can some other acts. Also, I get why some the songs I am honestly over -- like Vertigo and Elevation and UTEOTW -- stay in. I further understand that U2 aren't the guys who can just play a song they've not thought of in 10 years at the drop of the hat. They aren't accomplished musicians in the TECHNICAL sense.

U2 shows are about creating a vibe and an atmosphere, and it takes a specific recipe to get it right, and I think they are still playing around with it. Removing the crutch that is Streets -- Bono himself said 'no matter how bad a show is going, we always have Streets looming to save the day' -- just added pressure, IMO.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Gravy11 on May 15, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
The only thing Iíd like to see changed up before I go.....the encore.  Give me something upbeat before I leave. I remember leaving Giants Stadium after ZooTv and ďLove is BlindnessĒ. What a macabre exit, lol. Just my two cents. Iím also not a fan of 13. Really, the only song I Sometimes skip on SOE. 
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: miryclay on May 15, 2018, 08:21:03 AM
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The only thing Iíd like to see changed up before I go.....the encore.  Give me something upbeat before I leave. I remember leaving Giants Stadium after ZooTv and ďLove is BlindnessĒ. What a macabre exit, lol. Just my two cents. Iím also not a fan of 13. Really, the only song I Sometimes skip on SOE. 

It's their art, they can do what they want. #noemotionalgoodnight
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 15, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
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The only thing Iíd like to see changed up before I go.....the encore.  Give me something upbeat before I leave. I remember leaving Giants Stadium after ZooTv and ďLove is BlindnessĒ. What a macabre exit, lol. Just my two cents. Iím also not a fan of 13. Really, the only song I Sometimes skip on SOE.

I love ending shows on a pensive note. Most U2 shows have had slower closers. 40, Love Is Blindness, Can't Help Falling In Love, One, Wake Up Dead Man, Yahweh, Moment Of Surrender. It's kind of tradition.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: bass slap on May 15, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
Anyone got a link for the 'zootiful world' walk on track? 2 great songs combined, curious and would like to hear it..
I liked beat on the brat ramones with ebttrt infusion which they dropped in favour of people have the power.. (shame)
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 15, 2018, 01:34:46 PM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.

So, their most requested song and the song that was raved about for years on here is now suddenly "weak"

Basically, you're saying it's sh**....

I notice you're new....

That's awesome how you make the translation from "it's weak" to "it's sh*t". 

Look, "Acrobat" just doesn't hold up with the rest of the material on AB.  I think the band knows that, which is why it took them 26 years to get to it.  Regardless this forum and the live petition -- by definition -- are a group of uber-fans, and don't represent the average person going to see the band.

As far as me being "new", my first U2 show was 12/11/1982.  I understand what to expect from a U2 concert.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 15, 2018, 01:58:04 PM
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Went to both Vegas shows and walked away pretty disappointed last night. After seeing them 23 times, this will be the last time I see them multiple times on a tour. They sounded great, but your literally watching the same show again.
After seeing them open 'The Joshua Tree Tour' last year in Vancouver, I would've dutifully paid to see the EXACT same show the next night...  I think that your stance here underscores the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show...  Now that the opening night anticipation has fizzled, it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever, but still better than most other's offerings...  that likely has more to do with the state of music these days...  I mean, 'Acrobat' sounds better live than I thought that it would, but if 'Achtung Baby's weakest track is your highlight then you've got problems...:-)

So Acrobat is a weak song and U2 are only good live these days because of the state that music is in...

I think something is painstakingly clear alright...

I think the earlier post was spot on.  "Acrobat" IS a weak song, and there's a reason that the band has avoided playing it all these years.  I mean, if you've listened to a ton of live shows over the years, then yeah, it's different, and from an academic standpoint, hearing "Acrobat" is cool, but I'd rather hear just about any other track from AB.  And I've got to think there are a lot of people scratching their heads when that song is played.

So, their most requested song and the song that was raved about for years on here is now suddenly "weak"

Basically, you're saying it's sh**....

I notice you're new....

That's awesome how you make the translation from "it's weak" to "it's sh*t". 

Look, "Acrobat" just doesn't hold up with the rest of the material on AB.  I think the band knows that, which is why it took them 26 years to get to it.  Regardless this forum and the live petition -- by definition -- are a group of uber-fans, and don't represent the average person going to see the band.

As far as me being "new", my first U2 show was 12/11/1982.  I understand what to expect from a U2 concert.

You aren't new, but you sound new, both to U2 and the Internet. Stating your opinion as universally accepted fact -- as you just did again -- is going to cause you trouble.

Look, "Acrobat" just doesn't hold up with the rest of the material on AB.  I think the band knows that, which is why it took them 26 years to get to it. 


1. That first sentence should end with 'in my opinion' unless you just enjoy annoying people.
2. If U2 though that, there are 11 other songs from AB they could be playing in that slot, and several from the other 90s albums that would serve the exact same thematic purpose. MacPhisto could just as easily sing Zooropa, Lemon, Daddy's Gonna Pay or even Gone in that spot and it work.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: cmmott on May 15, 2018, 02:47:24 PM
Why must differences of opinion always devolve into personal attacks and questions of true fandom. None of us will ever see a show the same way and that is the beautiful part of it all. We follow a band that preaches openness and the embracement of differences yet we attack those differences at every turn. I have followed this forum for years and rarely post and this is exactly why.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 15, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
Thanks for this post. That's exactly how I often feel while reading this forum. There's so much bickering sometimes. I have to say it can even get a bit discouraging...
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 15, 2018, 03:38:57 PM
Yes it would go over a lot nicer if opinions are stated as such and not as facts.

"New York really doesn't do it for me, I find it so generic." Awesome, let's share our takes.

"Acrobat is clearly the weakest song on the album and the reason they can't sell tickets." Buzz off.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 15, 2018, 03:46:24 PM
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Yes it would go over a lot nicer if opinions are stated as such and not as facts.

"New York really doesn't do it for me, I find it so generic." Awesome, let's share our takes.

"Acrobat is clearly the weakest song on the album and the reason they can't sell tickets." Buzz off.

This is ALL I am saying. When you state your opinion as a fact, you start drawing false conclusions. Case in point, saying that since Acrobat is the weakest song the album, U2 must know it, and that's why it didn't get played for 26 years. Start with an incorrect premise, and you are going to end up with a false conclusion.

The idea that this setlist is causing sluggish sales is giving me a headache. Like I said before, 90 percent of these tickets sold either in presale or hours after they went live 6 months ago. The setlist wasn't even a gleam in Edge's eye yet. Look at the shows on u2.com's tour page that aren't sold out. Look at the stops from last year. Now look at the ones that are showing sold out. Now, look for those shows from 2017.

Notice anything?

BTW, I absolutely LOVE New York. :)
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: bass slap on May 15, 2018, 04:06:06 PM
It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

If something comes across a little opinionated, take with a pinch of salt and let it brush over, nobody gets hurt..

I'm happy with acrobat because it's a decent song (guitar awesome) but not AB finest.
Rather hear that than another MW which hasn't sounded great live since the 90's plus bono has made it too tongue in cheek with his dad dance moves and tom Jones funky 'huh's and 'ha's. Killed it.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 15, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
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Yes it would go over a lot nicer if opinions are stated as such and not as facts.

"New York really doesn't do it for me, I find it so generic." Awesome, let's share our takes.

"Acrobat is clearly the weakest song on the album and the reason they can't sell tickets." Buzz off.

This is ALL I am saying. When you state your opinion as a fact, you start drawing false conclusions. Case in point, saying that since Acrobat is the weakest song the album, U2 must know it, and that's why it didn't get played for 26 years. Start with an incorrect premise, and you are going to end up with a false conclusion.

The idea that this setlist is causing sluggish sales is giving me a headache. Like I said before, 90 percent of these tickets sold either in presale or hours after they went live 6 months ago. The setlist wasn't even a gleam in Edge's eye yet. Look at the shows on u2.com's tour page that aren't sold out. Look at the stops from last year. Now look at the ones that are showing sold out. Now, look for those shows from 2017.

Notice anything?

BTW, I absolutely LOVE New York. :)

Fight me.

No, seriously, you get a big pass for "gleam in Edge's eye" <wipes away a tear>
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: laoghaire on May 15, 2018, 04:10:02 PM
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It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

Well, Saint22's post explained it pretty well.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: bass slap on May 15, 2018, 04:16:58 PM
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It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

Well, Saint22's post explained it pretty well.
That may have been one of the posts I was referring to. Everything on here is an opinion.. and the word "think" was used in this particular example.. shouldn't be any need to tread on egg shells? I didn't read anything offensive here anyway... At least IMHO...
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: redapple129 on May 15, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
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It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

Well, Saint22's post explained it pretty well.
That may have been one of the posts I was referring to. Everything on here is an opinion.. and the word "think" was used in this particular example.. shouldn't be any need to tread on egg shells? I didn't read anything offensive here anyway... At least IMHO...

In the comment chain with Saint22, there's a decent amount of acting like people's opinions are a bit more objective than a personal opinion. Comments like "the fact that this is a sub-par U2 show" and "Acrobat IS a weak song" (the all caps coming across as this being a definitive statement about the song). If the band were to end the show mid-set or play out of tune for songs on end, maybe then it's time to start throwing around the f-word about saying the show was sub-par. I'll roll my eyes a bit at someone saying "it's becoming painstakingly clear that it's very probable that this is the worst U2 show ever" (PopMart would have a word about judging a U2 show on its first few nights, even if the issues were quite different) but that still comes across as a personal opinion even without being couched with opinion-signaling words.

I don't think we should have to end our posts with disclaimers saying what we write is just our opinion. I just find it a bit obnoxious when people treat their opinions as more than just opinions.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 16, 2018, 09:46:03 AM
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It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

Well, Saint22's post explained it pretty well.
That may have been one of the posts I was referring to. Everything on here is an opinion.. and the word "think" was used in this particular example.. shouldn't be any need to tread on egg shells? I didn't read anything offensive here anyway... At least IMHO...

IMO, it is just polite. And honestly, we don't know each other in real life. Everyone knows someone who thinks their opinion is Gospel truth, so, IMO, IMO stands as a prefix that means 'this is just what I think; I could be wrong'.

But, it also is practical. Like I said, when you start with a false premise, you come to a false conclusion. See the Acrobat post. Unless someone can produce a quote from one of the guys saying Acrobat is the weakest song from the album, let's not put words in their mouths. There are folks here who are young and/or new to the band, and they tend to believe everything the read. Let's make sure we can tell fact from opinion; that's all I am asking.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 16, 2018, 10:53:42 AM
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"Acrobat is clearly the weakest song on the album and the reason they can't sell tickets." Buzz off.

NO ONE said this.  Seriously, you are really demonstrating the proclivity for reading into what's written, then projecting it back on the group.

OF COURSE anything someone writes here is their own opinion.  That's a given by the very nature of the forum.  Unless it's a member of U2 talking, and even then, it would be a subjective statement.

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The idea that this setlist is causing sluggish sales is giving me a headache. Like I said before, 90 percent of these tickets sold either in presale or hours after they went live 6 months ago. The setlist wasn't even a gleam in Edge's eye yet. Look at the shows on u2.com's tour page that aren't sold out. Look at the stops from last year. Now look at the ones that are showing sold out. Now, look for those shows from 2017.

BTW, I absolutely LOVE New York. :)

Of course no one knew what the set list was going to be when tix went on sale.  But one could (and rightfully would have) assumed that it would draw heavily on SOI and SOE.  And SOE has met with mixed reviews.  Thus the low sales.....the last time the band seemingly tried so hard to avoid their back catalog on tour was Popmart.  And as much as I love the Pop album, the tour didn't really hold up and the sales reflected that.

And "New York" is a weak song, too.  IN MY OPINION.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 16, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
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"Acrobat is clearly the weakest song on the album and the reason they can't sell tickets." Buzz off.

NO ONE said this.  Seriously, you are really demonstrating the proclivity for reading into what's written, then projecting it back on the group.

OF COURSE anything someone writes here is their own opinion.  That's a given by the very nature of the forum.  Unless it's a member of U2 talking, and even then, it would be a subjective statement.

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The idea that this setlist is causing sluggish sales is giving me a headache. Like I said before, 90 percent of these tickets sold either in presale or hours after they went live 6 months ago. The setlist wasn't even a gleam in Edge's eye yet. Look at the shows on u2.com's tour page that aren't sold out. Look at the stops from last year. Now look at the ones that are showing sold out. Now, look for those shows from 2017.

BTW, I absolutely LOVE New York. :)

Of course no one knew what the set list was going to be when tix went on sale.  But one could (and rightfully would have) assumed that it would draw heavily on SOI and SOE.  And SOE has met with mixed reviews.  Thus the low sales.....the last time the band seemingly tried so hard to avoid their back catalog on tour was Popmart.  And as much as I love the Pop album, the tour didn't really hold up and the sales reflected that.

And "New York" is a weak song, too.  IN MY OPINION.

That first quote didn't come from me.

Secondly, you may not be blaming the setlist for soft sales, but some people are.

As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 16, 2018, 12:51:41 PM
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As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.

The parallels are actually pretty compelling.  As with 1997, the band is trying a bit too hard to push a concept that they started with SOI, at the expense of the presentation and the setlist.  Pairing that with very expensive tickets is making for a lot of empty seats.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 16, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
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As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.

The parallels are actually pretty compelling.  As with 1997, the band is trying a bit too hard to push a concept that they started with SOI, at the expense of the presentation and the setlist.  Pairing that with very expensive tickets is making for a lot of empty seats.


The reasons Pop was a relative failure in 1997 and SOE was a relative failure in 2017 are different. The end result may be soft sales, but the reasons are completely different.

In 1997, U2 released an album that wasn't well-received by fans at all. They had already committed to a massive stadium tour with high prices for the time.
In 2017, U2 released an album in an era where the rock album is dead, they get zero radio play and they are almost 60 years old, and they booked their third tour in four years.

It really wouldn't matter if SOE were pushing an agenda or not; SOE could have been a grab bag of songs completely unrelated to SOI and full of what should be ready-for-radio material, and it still not sold. Bands that have been around for 40 years are going to struggle to sell anything other than copies of their classic albums. I know people who are going to see U2 in Nashville who had no idea SOE even existed.

E+I isn't selling because U2 were just out in 2015 and 2017. Again, look at the cities were shows are selling well and where they aren't. The cities that got shows in 2015 and 2017 are slow compared to cities that didn't. There's no magic there. Nashville and Atlanta are either sold out or close to it, and LA has tickets remaining.

Tickets sold in Nashville in 2015: 0
Tickets sold in Nashville in 2017: 0
Tickets sold in LA in 2015: 83,505/SELL OUT
Tickets sold in LA in 2017: 123,064/SELL OUT

They have sold 200,000 tickets in the last three calendar years in Los Angeles, and you are surprised that a third tour in the last four years isn't selling as quickly?

Aging, legacy bands, and U2 is now considered a legacy band for industry purposes, sell tickets, not albums. If U2 hadn't toured since 2015, the numbers would be much better. If they hadn't toured since 2011, people would be killing each other over tickets and they literally could name their price and sell out in minutes.

Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 16, 2018, 04:07:36 PM
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As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.

The parallels are actually pretty compelling.  As with 1997, the band is trying a bit too hard to push a concept that they started with SOI, at the expense of the presentation and the setlist.  Pairing that with very expensive tickets is making for a lot of empty seats.


The reasons Pop was a relative failure in 1997 and SOE was a relative failure in 2017 are different. The end result may be soft sales, but the reasons are completely different.

In 1997, U2 released an album that wasn't well-received by fans at all. They had already committed to a massive stadium tour with high prices for the time.
In 2017, U2 released an album in an era where the rock album is dead, they get zero radio play and they are almost 60 years old, and they booked their third tour in four years.

It really wouldn't matter if SOE were pushing an agenda or not; SOE could have been a grab bag of songs completely unrelated to SOI and full of what should be ready-for-radio material, and it still not sold. Bands that have been around for 40 years are going to struggle to sell anything other than copies of their classic albums. I know people who are going to see U2 in Nashville who had no idea SOE even existed.

E+I isn't selling because U2 were just out in 2015 and 2017. Again, look at the cities were shows are selling well and where they aren't. The cities that got shows in 2015 and 2017 are slow compared to cities that didn't. There's no magic there. Nashville and Atlanta are either sold out or close to it, and LA has tickets remaining.

Tickets sold in Nashville in 2015: 0
Tickets sold in Nashville in 2017: 0
Tickets sold in LA in 2015: 83,505/SELL OUT
Tickets sold in LA in 2017: 123,064/SELL OUT

They have sold 200,000 tickets in the last three calendar years in Los Angeles, and you are surprised that a third tour in the last four years isn't selling as quickly?

Aging, legacy bands, and U2 is now considered a legacy band for industry purposes, sell tickets, not albums. If U2 hadn't toured since 2015, the numbers would be much better. If they hadn't toured since 2011, people would be killing each other over tickets and they literally could name their price and sell out in minutes.

Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.

I Pretty much disagree with everything in this post.  I'm also old enough to remember when U2 toured every year to sold out venues.

Strong album + reasonable prices == good attendance.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Luzita on May 16, 2018, 11:43:51 PM
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As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.

The parallels are actually pretty compelling.  As with 1997, the band is trying a bit too hard to push a concept that they started with SOI, at the expense of the presentation and the setlist.  Pairing that with very expensive tickets is making for a lot of empty seats.


The reasons Pop was a relative failure in 1997 and SOE was a relative failure in 2017 are different. The end result may be soft sales, but the reasons are completely different.

In 1997, U2 released an album that wasn't well-received by fans at all. They had already committed to a massive stadium tour with high prices for the time.
In 2017, U2 released an album in an era where the rock album is dead, they get zero radio play and they are almost 60 years old, and they booked their third tour in four years.

It really wouldn't matter if SOE were pushing an agenda or not; SOE could have been a grab bag of songs completely unrelated to SOI and full of what should be ready-for-radio material, and it still not sold. Bands that have been around for 40 years are going to struggle to sell anything other than copies of their classic albums. I know people who are going to see U2 in Nashville who had no idea SOE even existed.

E+I isn't selling because U2 were just out in 2015 and 2017. Again, look at the cities were shows are selling well and where they aren't. The cities that got shows in 2015 and 2017 are slow compared to cities that didn't. There's no magic there. Nashville and Atlanta are either sold out or close to it, and LA has tickets remaining.

Tickets sold in Nashville in 2015: 0
Tickets sold in Nashville in 2017: 0
Tickets sold in LA in 2015: 83,505/SELL OUT
Tickets sold in LA in 2017: 123,064/SELL OUT

They have sold 200,000 tickets in the last three calendar years in Los Angeles, and you are surprised that a third tour in the last four years isn't selling as quickly?

Aging, legacy bands, and U2 is now considered a legacy band for industry purposes, sell tickets, not albums. If U2 hadn't toured since 2015, the numbers would be much better. If they hadn't toured since 2011, people would be killing each other over tickets and they literally could name their price and sell out in minutes.

Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.

Very well-reasoned post ó and the comparison of ticket sales in those different cities is extremely telling.


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Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Luzita on May 17, 2018, 12:05:28 AM
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It's a given that any comment is a personal opinion so why prefix or book end every comment to state the obvious?

Well, Saint22's post explained it pretty well.
That may have been one of the posts I was referring to. Everything on here is an opinion.. and the word "think" was used in this particular example.. shouldn't be any need to tread on egg shells? I didn't read anything offensive here anyway... At least IMHO...

Yes, everything on here is an opinion (unless someone is stating a fact). It should be self-evident which is which, but some people have trouble distinguishing their opinions from facts, and thatís really annoying. Itís not necessary to tread on eggshells but when a poster make it clear, through the way they phrase things, that they are aware their opinions are opinions, it makes forum interactions much more pleasant.


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Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 17, 2018, 05:45:55 AM
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Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.

This is a patently untrue statement regarding Bruce and other bands.  Springsteen has toured every year for the last ten and STILL consistently sells out 20K-60K venues.  Look it up.

Iron Maiden tours every year, consistently selling out similar-size venues for 30-40 dates a year.
Rush toured 9 of the last 13 years before Peart retired, same story.
Journey, Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Cheap Trick all tour every year, selling out the Summer Festival dates they play.
Don't even get me started on modern country, where most of the artists are locked into a yearly record-release-tour schedule.

And yet, U2 can't fill the same arenas on this tour.  Why? 

- Because their ticket prices are 3X to 7X the price of admission for any of the artists I cited above. 
- Because U2 is only releasing new material once every 4 to 5 years, and that new material all has a bland "sameness" to it, with some exceptions.

I do agree that U2 probably can't tour next year IF they keep this same business model.  If they would just stop second-guessing themselves in the studio and overcharging for tickets, they could tour as much as they wanted.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 17, 2018, 08:26:30 AM
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Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.

This is a patently untrue statement regarding Bruce and other bands.  Springsteen has toured every year for the last ten and STILL consistently sells out 20K-60K venues.  Look it up.

Iron Maiden tours every year, consistently selling out similar-size venues for 30-40 dates a year.
Rush toured 9 of the last 13 years before Peart retired, same story.
Journey, Def Leppard, REO Speedwagon, Cheap Trick all tour every year, selling out the Summer Festival dates they play.
Don't even get me started on modern country, where most of the artists are locked into a yearly record-release-tour schedule.

And yet, U2 can't fill the same arenas on this tour.  Why? 

- Because their ticket prices are 3X to 7X the price of admission for any of the artists I cited above. 
- Because U2 is only releasing new material once every 4 to 5 years, and that new material all has a bland "sameness" to it, with some exceptions.

I do agree that U2 probably can't tour next year IF they keep this same business model.  If they would just stop second-guessing themselves in the studio and overcharging for tickets, they could tour as much as they wanted.

I said IN SOME MARKETS on Bruce. Sure, he can see out Philly and NYC all day long. In other markets, he's playing sheds. I saw him in a shed in Atlanta. And the groupon thing happened. Every word of that post is true. He too is selling more slowly in some markets because he finally oversaturated the market. I used to follow Bruce as closely as I do U2 until he stopping making good albums and started playing crap setlists. I know what I am talking about.

Please take the time to read posts carefully before accusing someone of posting untruths. If you want to disagree, fine.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 17, 2018, 08:33:28 AM
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As for PopMart, that was back in the days when people actually bought whole albums and listened to them and tours had to be promoted. There's really no comparing 1997 to 2018, IMO; two completely different eras for how music and tours were marketed.

The parallels are actually pretty compelling.  As with 1997, the band is trying a bit too hard to push a concept that they started with SOI, at the expense of the presentation and the setlist.  Pairing that with very expensive tickets is making for a lot of empty seats.


The reasons Pop was a relative failure in 1997 and SOE was a relative failure in 2017 are different. The end result may be soft sales, but the reasons are completely different.

In 1997, U2 released an album that wasn't well-received by fans at all. They had already committed to a massive stadium tour with high prices for the time.
In 2017, U2 released an album in an era where the rock album is dead, they get zero radio play and they are almost 60 years old, and they booked their third tour in four years.

It really wouldn't matter if SOE were pushing an agenda or not; SOE could have been a grab bag of songs completely unrelated to SOI and full of what should be ready-for-radio material, and it still not sold. Bands that have been around for 40 years are going to struggle to sell anything other than copies of their classic albums. I know people who are going to see U2 in Nashville who had no idea SOE even existed.

E+I isn't selling because U2 were just out in 2015 and 2017. Again, look at the cities were shows are selling well and where they aren't. The cities that got shows in 2015 and 2017 are slow compared to cities that didn't. There's no magic there. Nashville and Atlanta are either sold out or close to it, and LA has tickets remaining.

Tickets sold in Nashville in 2015: 0
Tickets sold in Nashville in 2017: 0
Tickets sold in LA in 2015: 83,505/SELL OUT
Tickets sold in LA in 2017: 123,064/SELL OUT

They have sold 200,000 tickets in the last three calendar years in Los Angeles, and you are surprised that a third tour in the last four years isn't selling as quickly?

Aging, legacy bands, and U2 is now considered a legacy band for industry purposes, sell tickets, not albums. If U2 hadn't toured since 2015, the numbers would be much better. If they hadn't toured since 2011, people would be killing each other over tickets and they literally could name their price and sell out in minutes.

Bands like the Stones and The Who make albums that few people listen to or care about put still pack people in at shows, but they can't go on massive, exhaustive tours every two years. Look at Springsteen. He's not made a good album in 10 years, and he had to start playing sheds rather than arenas and stadiums in some markets because he just tours so much. He finally oversaturated the market.

Now? Now Bruce has gone away for a while doing the Broadway thing, and when he finishes that run and takes some time off, the fans will be rabid to see him with a band again.

IMO, U2 will take a break from touring for a while after this. They almost have to.

Very well-reasoned post ó and the comparison of ticket sales in those different cities is extremely telling.


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It jumps out and smacks me in the face, you know? You have to look at patterns, and this is a pretty obvious pattern, IMO. Last year U2 went out behind their most popular album in the US and sold out stadiums. This year they are back behind an album many people don't even know exists. People who just saw them last year are sitting this one out.

Shows are expensive and (as we saw in LA) massive pains in the ar*e to get to. Many of us who don't live in major cities have to take time off from work and book flights or drive. Going to a show is a commitment, and when you just saw a band last year, you have to either be a really big fan or have a lot of money to make that commitment again so quickly.

The last time I saw REM -- a show that ended up being their final show in the United States -- Michael Stipe said something from the stage about understanding what a huge headache and expense it is to go see a major band, and how much he appreciated the effort. I had never really thought about that before. He said something about putting your life on hold for a day and paying $20 for water and a hot dog and all that.

I think it has a little to do with SOE having gone unnoticed and ticket prices, but I honestly think it has more to do with the number of shows they have played in these markets.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: hellonice on May 17, 2018, 08:54:25 AM
It's ticket prices and saturation. That's it. Even though prices are dropping as you get closer to the show, most people don't know that. $200 in Newark to sit in the upper deck - come on. $330 to sit downstairs? For real?

If people saw them last year, and are more casual, not going to pay $330 for 2 tickets (PLUS FEES)!

The sets don't change much - which I'm fine with. That's the band - they have crafted a story/narrative, and I know that going in - but I'm more strapped for cash to see the show multiple times. For Phish - $80/seat and they change the set completely. Not asking for that with U2 - but if tickets were $150 (with fees) easier to do multiple shows. The fees are the killer. It's 25ish% of the ticket added on.

So far in this tour - they still are getting under their feet - so I am going to wait and see about changes. I'm good with "A set" and then rotating a few slots in cities with multiple dates.

I'd like to see All Because of You and Red Flag rotate (although I love RFD a lot) maybe I Will Follow and Out of Control/Electric Co.

Rotations I'd like:

All Because of You -> Red Flag Day (already seeing that)
I Will Follow->  Out of Control or The Electric Co.
You're the best thing about me -> Stuck in a Moment acoustic / Mysterious Ways acoustic  / The First Time acoustic
City of Blinding Lights -> Walk On




Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: hellonice on May 17, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
Another thought on it:

I saw them out in San Jose (I was there for work), but live in the NYC area.

I have potential 5 shows to see - in the past I'd do 2-3 - now because of prices/set - 1 will be what I do. And that's just me.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Onob_Nosweh on May 17, 2018, 09:48:11 AM
I think the dynamic pricing model is the main cause of empty seats. It's fairly new and it seems that both fans and scalpers are getting used to it.

I'm a huge Radiohead fan, and it is interesting to compare their ticket sales with U2. Neither Radiohead or U2 have been at the top of the charts for quite some time, both have been touring a decent amount the past few years. Both mainly play arenas. Both have dedicated fan bases, with U2 arguably having a bigger one.

Radiohead are still using the old "fan friendly" model of charging less for face value (~$100 for most seats and GA, ~$70 for the worst seats). The shows sell out within minutes. In bigger markets (NY, CA), ticket prices are high in the secondary market. In smaller markets (KC, NOLA), tickets can be had for as little as $9 in the weeks leading up to the show.

I think U2 would see the same sales, as the lower prices attract casual fans, and have scalpers scooping up everything else in the hopes of a profit. Scalpers aren't going to touch a $400 (after fees) ticket unless it is the hottest of acts.

I'm not sure which model I like better. With either, in smaller markets, if you're patient, you can get a really great seat for a decent price (or a bad seat for peanuts), but you don't get the security of knowing you have a seat until late in the game.

In large markets, I guess I like the "fan friendly" way better, as you at least have a shot of getting a decent seat at a good price at the initial sale, though bots are making that harder.

But, if dynamic pricing proves to be more profitable, that's the way the rest of the industry will go.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 17, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
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It's ticket prices and saturation. That's it. Even though prices are dropping as you get closer to the show, most people don't know that. $200 in Newark to sit in the upper deck - come on. $330 to sit downstairs? For real?

If people saw them last year, and are more casual, not going to pay $330 for 2 tickets (PLUS FEES)!

The sets don't change much - which I'm fine with. That's the band - they have crafted a story/narrative, and I know that going in - but I'm more strapped for cash to see the show multiple times. For Phish - $80/seat and they change the set completely. Not asking for that with U2 - but if tickets were $150 (with fees) easier to do multiple shows. The fees are the killer. It's 25ish% of the ticket added on.

So far in this tour - they still are getting under their feet - so I am going to wait and see about changes. I'm good with "A set" and then rotating a few slots in cities with multiple dates.

I'd like to see All Because of You and Red Flag rotate (although I love RFD a lot) maybe I Will Follow and Out of Control/Electric Co.

Rotations I'd like:

All Because of You -> Red Flag Day (already seeing that)
I Will Follow->  Out of Control or The Electric Co.
You're the best thing about me -> Stuck in a Moment acoustic / Mysterious Ways acoustic  / The First Time acoustic
City of Blinding Lights -> Walk On

I love your IWF/OOC/EC idea for rotation. I would go so far as to say give IWF a rest and rotate the other two and maybe Stories For Boys
I wouldn't rotate any SOE songs, because it is very likely they are gone for good after this tour.
I think both City and Walk On need a rest.

I would rotate Elevation and Vertigo. Play one, not both. That frees up a slot for another rocker like The Fly or Dirty Day. Maybe Gone.
I'd do an acoustic rotation in the Staring At The Sun slot. Angel Of Harlem. When Love Comes To Town, Wild Horses, Stay.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 17, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
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It's ticket prices and saturation. That's it. Even though prices are dropping as you get closer to the show, most people don't know that. $200 in Newark to sit in the upper deck - come on. $330 to sit downstairs? For real?

If people saw them last year, and are more casual, not going to pay $330 for 2 tickets (PLUS FEES)!

The sets don't change much - which I'm fine with. That's the band - they have crafted a story/narrative, and I know that going in - but I'm more strapped for cash to see the show multiple times. For Phish - $80/seat and they change the set completely. Not asking for that with U2 - but if tickets were $150 (with fees) easier to do multiple shows. The fees are the killer. It's 25ish% of the ticket added on.

So far in this tour - they still are getting under their feet - so I am going to wait and see about changes. I'm good with "A set" and then rotating a few slots in cities with multiple dates.

I'd like to see All Because of You and Red Flag rotate (although I love RFD a lot) maybe I Will Follow and Out of Control/Electric Co.

Rotations I'd like:

All Because of You -> Red Flag Day (already seeing that)
I Will Follow->  Out of Control or The Electric Co.
You're the best thing about me -> Stuck in a Moment acoustic / Mysterious Ways acoustic  / The First Time acoustic
City of Blinding Lights -> Walk On

And like we have said, I really don't think the band intends or possibly even wants people to see more than one show. They couldn't discourage it more if they tried, really.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: redapple129 on May 17, 2018, 03:58:02 PM
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It's ticket prices and saturation. That's it. Even though prices are dropping as you get closer to the show, most people don't know that. $200 in Newark to sit in the upper deck - come on. $330 to sit downstairs? For real?

If people saw them last year, and are more casual, not going to pay $330 for 2 tickets (PLUS FEES)!

The sets don't change much - which I'm fine with. That's the band - they have crafted a story/narrative, and I know that going in - but I'm more strapped for cash to see the show multiple times. For Phish - $80/seat and they change the set completely. Not asking for that with U2 - but if tickets were $150 (with fees) easier to do multiple shows. The fees are the killer. It's 25ish% of the ticket added on.

So far in this tour - they still are getting under their feet - so I am going to wait and see about changes. I'm good with "A set" and then rotating a few slots in cities with multiple dates.

I'd like to see All Because of You and Red Flag rotate (although I love RFD a lot) maybe I Will Follow and Out of Control/Electric Co.

Rotations I'd like:

All Because of You -> Red Flag Day (already seeing that)
I Will Follow->  Out of Control or The Electric Co.
You're the best thing about me -> Stuck in a Moment acoustic / Mysterious Ways acoustic  / The First Time acoustic
City of Blinding Lights -> Walk On

I love your IWF/OOC/EC idea for rotation. I would go so far as to say give IWF a rest and rotate the other two and maybe Stories For Boys
I wouldn't rotate any SOE songs, because it is very likely they are gone for good after this tour.
I think both City and Walk On need a rest.

I would rotate Elevation and Vertigo. Play one, not both. That frees up a slot for another rocker like The Fly or Dirty Day. Maybe Gone.
I'd do an acoustic rotation in the Staring At The Sun slot. Angel Of Harlem. When Love Comes To Town, Wild Horses, Stay.

I agree with the rotation of Boy songs and not rotating out SOE tracks. I'd say it's safe to conclude Walk On's never getting played again. They're probably not going to play their song dedicated to Aung San Suu Kyi after putting out a statement condemning her for failing to speak out against what's being done to the Rohingya.

After watching the intermission video for the first time yesterday, I'd say it'd have to be dropping Vertigo. Depicting the band as reborn after the days of wild partying and mirror balls begs a follow-up with a ATYCLB track; BD's already been played, so Elevation it is. The issue with rotating out SATS is that as is the show structure requires a political song there, and even if I never saw SATS as a song about political blindness until Bono told me so, it has a role. Conveniently, another Pop track has shown it works in an acoustic rendition and would also work as a lead-in to Pride, albeit in a different way than the end of SATS - Please. 

Part of why the set lists are so static is that the show has been thought out and scripted to the point that it's hard for me to think of other songs that could sub in for what most of the songs do. It'd be easier if they brought back the Wild Horses slot and mixed in a few songs there (the one proper, mild, grievance I have with the band is them teasing their rehearsal of Wild Horses and then, by all appearances, playing it exactly once).
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 18, 2018, 07:45:15 AM
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It's ticket prices and saturation. That's it. Even though prices are dropping as you get closer to the show, most people don't know that. $200 in Newark to sit in the upper deck - come on. $330 to sit downstairs? For real?

If people saw them last year, and are more casual, not going to pay $330 for 2 tickets (PLUS FEES)!

The sets don't change much - which I'm fine with. That's the band - they have crafted a story/narrative, and I know that going in - but I'm more strapped for cash to see the show multiple times. For Phish - $80/seat and they change the set completely. Not asking for that with U2 - but if tickets were $150 (with fees) easier to do multiple shows. The fees are the killer. It's 25ish% of the ticket added on.

So far in this tour - they still are getting under their feet - so I am going to wait and see about changes. I'm good with "A set" and then rotating a few slots in cities with multiple dates.

I'd like to see All Because of You and Red Flag rotate (although I love RFD a lot) maybe I Will Follow and Out of Control/Electric Co.

Rotations I'd like:

All Because of You -> Red Flag Day (already seeing that)
I Will Follow->  Out of Control or The Electric Co.
You're the best thing about me -> Stuck in a Moment acoustic / Mysterious Ways acoustic  / The First Time acoustic
City of Blinding Lights -> Walk On

I love your IWF/OOC/EC idea for rotation. I would go so far as to say give IWF a rest and rotate the other two and maybe Stories For Boys
I wouldn't rotate any SOE songs, because it is very likely they are gone for good after this tour.
I think both City and Walk On need a rest.

I would rotate Elevation and Vertigo. Play one, not both. That frees up a slot for another rocker like The Fly or Dirty Day. Maybe Gone.
I'd do an acoustic rotation in the Staring At The Sun slot. Angel Of Harlem. When Love Comes To Town, Wild Horses, Stay.

I agree with the rotation of Boy songs and not rotating out SOE tracks. I'd say it's safe to conclude Walk On's never getting played again. They're probably not going to play their song dedicated to Aung San Suu Kyi after putting out a statement condemning her for failing to speak out against what's being done to the Rohingya.

After watching the intermission video for the first time yesterday, I'd say it'd have to be dropping Vertigo. Depicting the band as reborn after the days of wild partying and mirror balls begs a follow-up with a ATYCLB track; BD's already been played, so Elevation it is. The issue with rotating out SATS is that as is the show structure requires a political song there, and even if I never saw SATS as a song about political blindness until Bono told me so, it has a role. Conveniently, another Pop track has shown it works in an acoustic rendition and would also work as a lead-in to Pride, albeit in a different way than the end of SATS - Please. 

Part of why the set lists are so static is that the show has been thought out and scripted to the point that it's hard for me to think of other songs that could sub in for what most of the songs do. It'd be easier if they brought back the Wild Horses slot and mixed in a few songs there (the one proper, mild, grievance I have with the band is them teasing their rehearsal of Wild Horses and then, by all appearances, playing it exactly once).

Hopefully, they have learned their lesson about making one of their songs all about a single person. People have a tendency to let you down. And that U2 got sucked into the cult of personality and got burned serves as an important reminder to keep your eyes open -- especially when it comes to politicians.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: hellonice on May 18, 2018, 08:14:48 AM
Good call on the Walk On - didn't even think of it.

Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 18, 2018, 08:25:10 AM
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I said IN SOME MARKETS on Bruce. Sure, he can see out Philly and NYC all day long. In other markets, he's playing sheds. I saw him in a shed in Atlanta.

For every Atlanta stop the last 10 years, Bruce has either played Philips Arena or Aaron's Amphitheatre.  Both are 17.5K-seating venues.  Hardly "sheds".


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I used to follow Bruce as closely as I do U2 until he stopping making good albums and started playing crap setlists.

Funny enough, what you're saying about Bruce is exactly what a lot of people are saying about U2, and precisely the reason that's being cited for the vast swaths of empty seats at the arenas on this tour.  And thus, we come full circle.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 18, 2018, 10:09:26 AM
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I said IN SOME MARKETS on Bruce. Sure, he can see out Philly and NYC all day long. In other markets, he's playing sheds. I saw him in a shed in Atlanta.

For every Atlanta stop the last 10 years, Bruce has either played Philips Arena or Aaron's Amphitheatre.  Both are 17.5K-seating venues.  Hardly "sheds".


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I used to follow Bruce as closely as I do U2 until he stopping making good albums and started playing crap setlists.

Funny enough, what you're saying about Bruce is exactly what a lot of people are saying about U2, and precisely the reason that's being cited for the vast swaths of empty seats at the arenas on this tour.  And thus, we come full circle.

Shed is slang for amphitheater.

I think Bruce and U2 are both selling more slowly because both have played so many shows in major US markets in the last 5 years. Many Bruce fans liked his most recent albums way more than I did. I personally haven't liked one since Magic. But I've not skipped any tours. Yet. However, I can tell you this: The next time Bruce tours, unless his new album just rocks my socks, I will wait and see the sets he's playing before I buy a ticket. I don't need to hear all the warhorses and BITUSA album cuts ever again.

My point to you is, those seats that were empty for U2's shows in LA would have been empty whether they were playing Streets or not, or whether SOE was flying off shelves or not, because of the number tickets they've sold there since 2015. You just cannot get the same people back over and over and over and over again, and at this point in the game, how many new fans can they be making? And can those young people afford a $300 ticket?
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: hellonice on May 18, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
Exactly, the casual fan doesn't know they won't be playing Streets or WOWY. They saw them a few years ago, last year...$300 for this year - it's not a MUST see.
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Ron2112 on May 19, 2018, 09:35:47 AM
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My point to you is, those seats that were empty for U2's shows in LA would have been empty whether they were playing Streets or not, or whether SOE was flying off shelves or not, because of the number tickets they've sold there since 2015. You just cannot get the same people back over and over and over and over again, and at this point in the game, how many new fans can they be making? And can those young people afford a $300 ticket?

So I agree with you that $300 per ticket is a lot for ANYONE -- young or old.

But plenty of bands play static setlists, with fans catching multiple shows on a tour, IF the ticket price is in the $50-$100 range.

Agree that the rotating setlist isn't mandatory, but in the past it HAS been part of what makes a U2 tour cool.  The static setlist, plus the casual-fan averse setlist, plus high ticket prices are making for a perfect storm that is keeping people away. 
Title: Re: **SPOILERS**Las Vegas 2 U2eiTour Show Thread
Post by: Saint22 on May 21, 2018, 12:07:45 PM
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My point to you is, those seats that were empty for U2's shows in LA would have been empty whether they were playing Streets or not, or whether SOE was flying off shelves or not, because of the number tickets they've sold there since 2015. You just cannot get the same people back over and over and over and over again, and at this point in the game, how many new fans can they be making? And can those young people afford a $300 ticket?

So I agree with you that $300 per ticket is a lot for ANYONE -- young or old.

But plenty of bands play static setlists, with fans catching multiple shows on a tour, IF the ticket price is in the $50-$100 range.

Agree that the rotating setlist isn't mandatory, but in the past it HAS been part of what makes a U2 tour cool.  The static setlist, plus the casual-fan averse setlist, plus high ticket prices are making for a perfect storm that is keeping people away.

I guess 'rotating setlist' really depends on your perspective. There are bands out there who play an A set 70 percent of the time and a B set about 30 percent on any given tour -- like The Killers -- and there are bands like Pearl Jam that basically play a different set every night, and there's Bruce who keeps a basic structure and rotates certain spots and then there's Noel Gallagher who is not going to change a single note.

I've never thought of U2 as being a band that changes up very much, but again, I guess it depends on who you are comparing them to.