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Title: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: dwaltman on May 24, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
They spawned Coldplay.

I'm just kidding. I've seen Coldplay several times.  But I got to thinking about what bands influenced U2 and then what bands are most cut from the U2 mold.  Coldplay is the obvious choice.  What else? Killers? Radiohead? Who are U2's musical children and grandchildren?


Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: skelter on May 24, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
Title doesn't match body.

So, U2 is hated because they are good businessmen. Explains their longevity.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 24, 2018, 08:59:21 PM
U2 are hated because of Bono. The people who hate Edge hate him because of Bono.

I am basically a unicorn because I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD COLDPLAY. I can't even name one single song they do. I do know who their lead singer is and who he was once consciously coupled with. I also heard him stand in for Bono after Bono busted himself up in NYC and I thought he sounded awful. (Sorry, Chris, I'm sure you're a good guy).
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: ricebird5678 on May 24, 2018, 09:10:42 PM
Because they get so far away from their music. In today's society people do not want that. At least the majority doesn't.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: wons on May 25, 2018, 05:10:28 AM
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U2 are hated because of Bono. The people who hate Edge hate him because of Bono.

I am basically a unicorn because I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD COLDPLAY. I can't even name one single song they do. I do know who their lead singer is and who he was once consciously coupled with. I also heard him stand in for Bono after Bono busted himself up in NYC and I thought he sounded awful. (Sorry, Chris, I'm sure you're a good guy).

Coldplay is the closest thing that the 21st century has produced that is like U2. I've seen all their tours from the first in 2001 to the latest. They have seven studio albums. I was initially attracted to them because I could hear a bit of U2 in them. But they do have their differences with U2. They are now the most popular band in the world having taken the mantle from U2 with their most recent album and tour. Their last tour is the 3rd highest grossing tour of all time. You should start listening to their 7 albums, starting with the first one Parachutes, which is a bit quiet and mellow, but good. You'll enjoy the trip(eventually listening to all seven albums) and should become a fan desiring to see their next tour within a couple of years.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 25, 2018, 05:58:03 AM
Do I realllllllllly want to be a Coldplay fan? <kicks and screams>
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: dwaltman on May 25, 2018, 09:14:33 AM
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U2 are hated because of Bono. The people who hate Edge hate him because of Bono.

I am basically a unicorn because I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD COLDPLAY. I can't even name one single song they do. I do know who their lead singer is and who he was once consciously coupled with. I also heard him stand in for Bono after Bono busted himself up in NYC and I thought he sounded awful. (Sorry, Chris, I'm sure you're a good guy).

Coldplay is the closest thing that the 21st century has produced that is like U2. I've seen all their tours from the first in 2001 to the latest. They have seven studio albums. I was initially attracted to them because I could hear a bit of U2 in them. But they do have their differences with U2. They are now the most popular band in the world having taken the mantle from U2 with their most recent album and tour. Their last tour is the 3rd highest grossing tour of all time. You should start listening to their 7 albums, starting with the first one Parachutes, which is a bit quiet and mellow, but good. You'll enjoy the trip(eventually listening to all seven albums) and should become a fan desiring to see their next tour within a couple of years.

There seems to be a lot of Coldplay haters among U2 fans (Coldplay = U2lite) so that is what I was getting at.  Personally, I've been a fan since Parachutes....and really loved A Rush of Blood to the Head.  It's been diminishing returns since then for me but I've seen them live 3 times and they put on a great show.  My larger point is that without U2, there is no Coldplay.  And my question for the forum was what other bands could you say that about in regard to U2's influence.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: McSwilly on May 25, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
Who cares? Let the haters hate? Let them criticize Bono for trying to do good things with his money and stature. Focus on the positive.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: summerholly on May 25, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
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There seems to be a lot of Coldplay haters among U2 fans (Coldplay = U2lite) so that is what I was getting at.  Personally, I've been a fan since Parachutes....and really loved A Rush of Blood to the Head.  It's been diminishing returns since then for me but I've seen them live 3 times and they put on a great show.  My larger point is that without U2, there is no Coldplay.  And my question for the forum was what other bands could you say that about in regard to U2's influence.

Interesting perspective.  I have to admit that I have never equated Coldplay with U2.   I quite like some of Coldplay but it never crossed my mind that they in any way reminded me of U2. To me they are 2 separate entities.  I must say that if I don't like an artist I don't listen to them, not sure where all this hating comes from, it seems very energy consuming. U2 has always been a unique band especially for me in the early days.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: JFW on May 26, 2018, 12:31:28 AM
The Yellow snippet in MOS was nice. I'm also a fan of Parachutes and AROBTTH. Those were the first albums (they were in a pack) I ever bought. Besides that, I'm not liking it very much, maybe a few songs which are hard to recall (something with Violet Hill?). The latest I like a bit. The 'i don't give a f***' mentallity on the vocals are nice!
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 26, 2018, 03:20:52 AM
I'll admit, Im firmly in the Coldplay = U2lite camp. However, I am always wanting to give them a chance.

In the beginning I had so much hope for Coldplay. I was really hoping for them to be my "Next U2" in terms of devotion and love. However, these are earned. I saw Coldplay a few times, at the peak of my fandom, and I will also say their critical peak. During/after Rush of Blood to the Head era. I was bored out of my mind. They never have a bad song. My issue with them is that they really just keep putting out a variation on the same song. Rush of Blood to the Head, was the point where this was the least true. But essentially, they don't have a single rock song. They just have variations on the mind tempo ballad. There is little outside of that. They have songs that get a little livelier but essentially still are mid tempo ballads. But they also have songs I absolutely LOVE... Fix You remains one of my all time favorites songs, not just from Coldplay, but ever! Too many times though, I will listen to their latest album and find just a single songs or maybe 3 that are good, and the rest are forgettable background and that could easily land on any of their albums. Their overall sound is to take a U2 anthem, water the guitar and replace with piano, and reduce the passion, and sprinkle some pretty on it. They can reach some great heights on a few amazing songs for me, but then really put me to sleep with 90% of their material.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: david on May 26, 2018, 03:47:44 AM
I've heard Kings of Leon say they were big U2 fans growing up. The Killers are an obvious example too. You can't really hear it in their music but Muse seem to be U2 fans.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 26, 2018, 03:57:43 AM
In regards to U2's influence on other bands, I will focus for now on their influence in live performance.

The following bands Ive seen either before they have been an Opener for U2 or as an opener, and then see them as performer after they have toured/opened with U2:

Kings of Leon
Muse
Arcade Fire
The Killers

With all these bands, there was a clear growth spurt as performers pre vs post touring with U2. They suddenly changed from Musicians playing their songs to the best of their abilities, into artists who crafted an show and experience as a whole. Muse, Killers and Arcade Fire may have been the biggest and most pronounced change that I have witnessed. I've seen a decent amount of concerts, and very few artists craft an overall experience. The majority just perform their songs (quite brilliantly in many cases) and sometimes their might be more than lights going on for that song. Muse morphed from that, to incorporating spectacle and stage wizardry that overshadowed them ALOT, to using technology to craft a show that complimented the music and show as a whole. Each step of the way I saw them and saw clearly where they were picking things up from U2. Arcade Fire's latest tour is great, and you can clearly see the resemblances to Popmart and ZooTV. It is also much more of a show and the manner in which they engaged the audience had picked up (previously they would have moves/tactics, and perform more to each other than to the audience), whereas the previous tours they simply had backdrops and they would do great things like march into the audience which is a common performance tactic.

Each time I would see these artists I would see them after they had toured with U2 and could see/feel the difference their live performance. This ranged from little details to how they used technology and more.

The Pixies,I cannot say that I noticed a difference pre and post opening for U2. I think they had already developed their own sense of live performance.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 26, 2018, 04:08:34 AM
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... I also heard him stand in for Bono after Bono busted himself up in NYC and I thought he sounded awful. (Sorry, Chris, I'm sure you're a good guy).

haha. I felt the same about Michael Stipe standing in for Bono. For Stipe and Christ Martin (but moreso Martin) they sing "pretty". I mean, there is a cleaness to it. It sounds technical, and may be technically better even. But they sound flat and soulless, to me. Some people like their sound, obviously as both their bands had/have enormous success. But I large part of why I never fully loved either bands its the flatness and the pretty voice that sounds devoid of soul to me. Why I originally preferred Radiohead to Coldplay (anyone remember that debate?). Its why I LOVE more songs to higher level from the Stones than the Beatles (an overall analysis of the bands as a whole is different)
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 26, 2018, 05:43:32 AM
In fairness, Bono performing someone else's stuff is pretty hit or miss too.

But I heard Coldplay were U2 lite so I did judge him through that lens.

Michael Stipe is a great singer but his style and phrasing is very different from Bono's. I guess it's true for all or most bands. Would we be happy with Mick Jagger singing REM? With Michael Jackson singing The Rolling Stones?
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: dwaltman on May 26, 2018, 05:48:24 AM
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In regards to U2's influence on other bands, I will focus for now on their influence in live performance.

The following bands Ive seen either before they have been an Opener for U2 or as an opener, and then see them as performer after they have toured/opened with U2:

Kings of Leon
Muse
Arcade Fire
The Killers

With all these bands, there was a clear growth spurt as performers pre vs post touring with U2. They suddenly changed from Musicians playing their songs to the best of their abilities, into artists who crafted an show and experience as a whole. Muse, Killers and Arcade Fire may have been the biggest and most pronounced change that I have witnessed. I've seen a decent amount of concerts, and very few artists craft an overall experience. The majority just perform their songs (quite brilliantly in many cases) and sometimes their might be more than lights going on for that song. Muse morphed from that, to incorporating spectacle and stage wizardry that overshadowed them ALOT, to using technology to craft a show that complimented the music and show as a whole. Each step of the way I saw them and saw clearly where they were picking things up from U2. Arcade Fire's latest tour is great, and you can clearly see the resemblances to Popmart and ZooTV. It is also much more of a show and the manner in which they engaged the audience had picked up (previously they would have moves/tactics, and perform more to each other than to the audience), whereas the previous tours they simply had backdrops and they would do great things like march into the audience which is a common performance tactic.

Each time I would see these artists I would see them after they had toured with U2 and could see/feel the difference their live performance. This ranged from little details to how they used technology and more.

The Pixies,I cannot say that I noticed a difference pre and post opening for U2. I think they had already developed their own sense of live performance.

Great take and analysis. Iíve seen KOL and AF and would agree with your assessment, especially with AF and the most recent tour.  Iíd like to see the Killers.

I saw the Pixies open for U2 but only Frank Black solo after so not a fair comparison.

I feel Coldplayís live setup is influenced by U2 as well but then U2 keeps pushing the boundaries of live performing, leaving everyone else behind. Although Roger Waters show is similar in design to the SOI/SOE tours....not sure who was touring first.


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Lebowski on May 26, 2018, 07:12:57 AM
Bono is both a major reason why they are so popular and why some hate them so much.  Just about everybody I know who doesn't like U2 cites their dislike of Bono as the reason why, and even a few friends who like them are put off by Bono more often than not (not his politics, but what they view as his arrogance and just the way he presents himself). I can see what people mean, but I always say, his perceived arrogance and "look at me" attitude is why he was always such a great front man.  He is one of those singers that you just can't take your eyes off when he is on stage.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 26, 2018, 11:30:21 AM
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Bono is both a major reason why they are so popular and why some hate them so much.  Just about everybody I know who doesn't like U2 cites their dislike of Bono as the reason why, and even a few friends who like them are put off by Bono more often than not (not his politics, but what they view as his arrogance and just the way he presents himself). I can see what people mean, but I always say, his perceived arrogance and "look at me" attitude is why he was always such a great front man.  He is one of those singers that you just can't take your eyes off when he is on stage.

Very much agree on this assessment. I would go further and say this is very much a cultural thing. Expression that is bold is not viewed in a positive manner within rock, whether the is from the artist or within the audience. The exception is darkness or aggression. It is practically the opposite for urban culture, as well as non Caucasian or Asian cultures. The hate for Bono/U2 seems strongest in countries or communities that take on the view/reaction to automatically dislike anyone or thing that is considered too bold - subtley is often used as automatically better or at a higher level, darkness is also viewed as automatically being better. Yet in reality these are merely preferences that people use and assume mean something is better. You can see it in the manner these these preferences such as darkness are given elevated status or automatically viewed as being more intellectual merely due to its "darkness". These kind of "colors" or values that inherently have no right or wrong or status, are given false pretense and false value (whether praise or disdain)
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 26, 2018, 11:36:35 AM
Let's add Keane / Tom Chaplin to the list of bands that were inspired by U2. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oextk-If8HQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oextk-If8HQ)

They've also opened for U2 by the way:
https://tours.atu2.com/opening/keane (https://tours.atu2.com/opening/keane)

I remember when the song "Is it any wonder" came out, it sounded so much like U2 that I thought it was an outtake from an older U2 album (even the guitar at the very beginning sounds Achtung Baby-inspired). It could be the most "U2 song" not actually written/performed by U2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVe_KVzBFOo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVe_KVzBFOo)

They sometimes cover U2 as well :
That was last year (Tom Chaplin covering One while touring with his solo album):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58BJfuOYIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58BJfuOYIA)

And here's Keane at Glastonbury covering With or Without you :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUshrd70_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUshrd70_0)
Title: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 26, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
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Bono is both a major reason why they are so popular and why some hate them so much.  Just about everybody I know who doesn't like U2 cites their dislike of Bono as the reason why, and even a few friends who like them are put off by Bono more often than not (not his politics, but what they view as his arrogance and just the way he presents himself). I can see what people mean, but I always say, his perceived arrogance and "look at me" attitude is why he was always such a great front man.  He is one of those singers that you just can't take your eyes off when he is on stage.
Bono gets hate from people who donít actually know him and are just regurgitating Internet memes. Almost everyone who actually knows him loves the guy ó from childhood friends who are still close to his bandmates of 40 years to his wife whom heís been with about as long to fellow musicians like Springsteen, Bowie, Noel Gallagher. That proves he isnít actually arrogant or a ďp****Ē as the haters would have it. If he were he couldnít sustain those relationships. I do think heís an eccentric with a very unusual personality.


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 26, 2018, 12:19:30 PM
Another band that has been greatly influenced by U2 (and Radiohead) and who has also opened for U2 in the past is Starsailor. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA6C_0ERHww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA6C_0ERHww)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapRPPsFuuI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapRPPsFuuI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR8DTY9Inkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR8DTY9Inkk)

They have covered All I want is you :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT-ZTapxJA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT-ZTapxJA)

And James Walsh (Starsailor's singer) has covered "Where the streets have no name" on his own a few times (I think he is currently touring by himseld at the moment, promoting his solo album) :
Starsailor  where the streets have no name (http://Starsailor  where the streets have no name)

Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 26, 2018, 01:44:33 PM
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Quote from: scrittoresabino on Today at 03:57:43 AM
In regards to U2's influence on other bands, I will focus for now on their influence in live performance.

The following bands Ive seen either before they have been an Opener for U2 or as an opener, and then see them as performer after they have toured/opened with U2:

Kings of Leon
Muse
Arcade Fire
The Killers

With all these bands, there was a clear growth spurt as performers pre vs post touring with U2. They suddenly changed from Musicians playing their songs to the best of their abilities, into artists who crafted an show and experience as a whole. Muse, Killers and Arcade Fire may have been the biggest and most pronounced change that I have witnessed. I've seen a decent amount of concerts, and very few artists craft an overall experience. The majority just perform their songs (quite brilliantly in many cases) and sometimes their might be more than lights going on for that song. Muse morphed from that, to incorporating spectacle and stage wizardry that overshadowed them ALOT, to using technology to craft a show that complimented the music and show as a whole. Each step of the way I saw them and saw clearly where they were picking things up from U2. Arcade Fire's latest tour is great, and you can clearly see the resemblances to Popmart and ZooTV. It is also much more of a show and the manner in which they engaged the audience had picked up (previously they would have moves/tactics, and perform more to each other than to the audience), whereas the previous tours they simply had backdrops and they would do great things like march into the audience which is a common performance tactic.

Each time I would see these artists I would see them after they had toured with U2 and could see/feel the difference their live performance. This ranged from little details to how they used technology and more.

The Pixies,I cannot say that I noticed a difference pre and post opening for U2. I think they had already developed their own sense of live performance.

Very interesting analysis!
I think it could be possible to add Placebo to the list. They have also opened a few times for U2 (I'm pretty sure it was during the Popmart Tour), learned from it and got even better live. Furthermore, according to French rock-specialized radio OuiFM, their album "Without you I'm nothing" - which was released just after they went on tour with U2 - was dubbed by critics "Without U2, I'm nothing" for its passion and exaltation which reminded people of U2 - for better or worse.

[source : https://www.ouifm.fr/artistes/placebo/ (https://www.ouifm.fr/artistes/placebo/) ]
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 26, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
U2's influence on Snow Patrol is less obvious but nevertheless real. They have been U2's support band 36 times [https://tours.atu2.com/opening/snow-patrol (https://tours.atu2.com/opening/snow-patrol) ].

Concerning that experience, Snow Patrol's frontman Gary Lightbody told Belgian radio RTBF in 2011 (I'm quoting/translating this article :
https://www.rtbf.be/classic21/article/detail_snow-patrol-et-u2?id=7040413 (https://www.rtbf.be/classic21/article/detail_snow-patrol-et-u2?id=7040413) ] :
 "We opened for U2 in 2005, and then again during their last tour. It gave us the opportunity to understand the difference between what we were doing and a real concert." Indeed, they have learnt a lot since then and have filled much bigger venues such as the O2 arena in London which they are going to play next on February 10th."

In the past, they have covered a couple of U2 songs, including "Mysterious ways". BTW I think this version is totally different from the original but really worthy of praise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oi08c3jGE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oi08c3jGE4)

And only yesterday, they covered One on French TV show Taratata (you can watch it again here for five more days):
https://www.france.tv/france-2/taratata/518519-snow-patrol-one-u2.html (https://www.france.tv/france-2/taratata/518519-snow-patrol-one-u2.html)
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: GoldenStateGirl on May 26, 2018, 09:56:02 PM
I quite like Coldplay. They donít have The Edge, which gives them a much softer feel. I think Bonoís myth is bigger than he is, which irritates people. But I love him to death and find his shortcomings hilarious.

For what itís worth, after seeing U2 live, I am a MUCH better fitness instructor (I teach Body Pump and indoor cycling).   There is some kind of ďBono effectĒ that lingers.  It makes me want to inspire people and raise them up. He is just magical.  I guess the word is charismatic?
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Clarky on May 27, 2018, 04:52:42 AM
The only reason I can see why people generally seem to have a dismissive/disdainful reaction to U2 is because of Bono. He's obviously a personality with a propensity to sound pompous, paired with the fact that they see him as being a hypocrite for all the causes he stands for. Pretty much all of it is far off the mark, but it doesn't matter. The perception has well and truly been ingrained into the zeitgeist. I don't wish Bono was any different, but I feel that if he had kept his mouth shut and didn't speak in a way that made him sound pretentious, U2 would be held in a more higher regard by the common person.
Title: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 27, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
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The only reason I can see why people generally seem to have a dismissive/disdainful reaction to U2 is because of Bono. He's obviously a personality with a propensity to sound pompous, paired with the fact that they see him as being a hypocrite for all the causes he stands for. Pretty much all of it is far off the mark, but it doesn't matter. The perception has well and truly been ingrained into the zeitgeist. I don't wish Bono was any different, but I feel that if he had kept his mouth shut and didn't speak in a way that made him sound pretentious, U2 would be held in a more higher regard by the common person.
If you want Bono to keep his mouth shut, then you  *are* wishing for him to be someone other than who he is. Also, whether or not bad perceptions of U2 have been ďwell and truly ingrained into the zeitgeistĒ depends a lot on where you live. It seems to be much more true in the British Isles than elsewhere.

Also, I think that negative attitudes towards Bono are indeed related to his politics. Itís true there are aspects of his personality that can come over as pompous, but whether people perceive him that way is strongly affected by whether they have been primed to perceive him that way. There have always been some who have been hostile towards Bono and U2 for being ďtoo goodĒ but those attitudes seem to have become widespread ó in certain countries ó only towards the tail end of the 2000s, right after Bonoís social activism went big time. The more effective he became at making a positive, large-scale difference in the lives of those dying of starvation and AIDS, the more that certain people decided to hate him and fill media and social media with attacks on his ďpompousnessĒ and ďhypocrisy.Ē Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 27, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
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... Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.

That statement rings true on the nonpolitical hatred as well. I remember when Songs of Innocence came out. The first string of tweets and social media response to the free download with more jokey in tone. The verbiage was taking pot shots, but not alltogether hateful or completely negative. That escalated quickly. It turn from mere joked to vitriol REALLY fast. Additionally, publications and people followed the downward spiral. From the same sources that may have been more positive at the beginning (or not nearly as negative) they were suddenly voicing much more negative fodder, getting worse and worse. It's click bait.

Interesting thing is how far people will go to join the mob. People and a few scarce publications would write/say things like "How dare you violate my privacy, and download your putrid noise you call music onto my Samsung Galaxy ## etc."  People and publications actually stooped to this level 1) make things up 2) turn something small into something monstrous, in order to be in on the joke and join the mob

How can I say this was made up and claim its hyperbole:
1) It was only available on iOS and people ignorant to this fact were foolish enough to mention the non-Apple device they found it on. (additionally I know several Apple haters who never touched an Apple device join in on this hate)
2) It was a link, not wasn't automatically downloaded unless you actively pressed the option to download.

Once something becomes a fad, many people just want to be a part of it.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 27, 2018, 07:00:30 PM
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... Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.

That statement rings true on the nonpolitical hatred as well. I remember when Songs of Innocence came out. The first string of tweets and social media response to the free download with more jokey in tone. The verbiage was taking pot shots, but not alltogether hateful or completely negative. That escalated quickly. It turn from mere joked to vitriol REALLY fast. Additionally, publications and people followed the downward spiral. From the same sources that may have been more positive at the beginning (or not nearly as negative) they were suddenly voicing much more negative fodder, getting worse and worse. It's click bait.

Interesting thing is how far people will go to join the mob. People and a few scarce publications would write/say things like "How dare you violate my privacy, and download your putrid noise you call music onto my Samsung Galaxy ## etc."  People and publications actually stooped to this level 1) make things up 2) turn something small into something monstrous, in order to be in on the joke and join the mob

How can I say this was made up and claim its hyperbole:
1) It was only available on iOS and people ignorant to this fact were foolish enough to mention the non-Apple device they found it on. (additionally I know several Apple haters who never touched an Apple device join in on this hate)
2) It was a link, not wasn't automatically downloaded unless you actively pressed the option to download.

Once something becomes a fad, many people just want to be a part of it.
I really donít understand the whole Apple thing. Maybe Iím too old to get it, but I strongly suspect the degree of outrage has been overblown. Like you say, itís a fad. When SOE came out, few publications or websites seemed able to mention SOI without harping on the awfulness of the free download.

How absurd that people jumped on board with complaints that couldnít be true. That may be partly the mob mentality at work but I think itís also the troll mentality. Something about the web just brings out the worst in people.


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 27, 2018, 07:25:45 PM
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... Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.

That statement rings true on the nonpolitical hatred as well. I remember when Songs of Innocence came out. The first string of tweets and social media response to the free download with more jokey in tone. The verbiage was taking pot shots, but not alltogether hateful or completely negative. That escalated quickly. It turn from mere joked to vitriol REALLY fast. Additionally, publications and people followed the downward spiral. From the same sources that may have been more positive at the beginning (or not nearly as negative) they were suddenly voicing much more negative fodder, getting worse and worse. It's click bait.

Interesting thing is how far people will go to join the mob. People and a few scarce publications would write/say things like "How dare you violate my privacy, and download your putrid noise you call music onto my Samsung Galaxy ## etc."  People and publications actually stooped to this level 1) make things up 2) turn something small into something monstrous, in order to be in on the joke and join the mob

How can I say this was made up and claim its hyperbole:
1) It was only available on iOS and people ignorant to this fact were foolish enough to mention the non-Apple device they found it on. (additionally I know several Apple haters who never touched an Apple device join in on this hate)
2) It was a link, not wasn't automatically downloaded unless you actively pressed the option to download.

Once something becomes a fad, many people just want to be a part of it.
I really donít understand the whole Apple thing. Maybe Iím too old to get it, but I strongly suspect the degree of outrage has been overblown. Like you say, itís a fad. When SOE came out, few publications or websites seemed able to mention SOI without harping on the awfulness of the free download.

How absurd that people jumped on board with complaints that couldnít be true. That may be partly the mob mentality at work but I think itís also the troll mentality. Something about the web just brings out the worst in people.

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its as simple as, the free download was only available to people who own iOS/Apple products, yet people were claiming to have the "crap U2 album forced on them" on their Android device, which was NOT possible... thus a huge piece of evidence suggesting/showing mob mentality. It's like someone trying to make a kryptonite joke in relation to Spiderman... dude that makes no sense, its not only the wrong superhero, its the wrong universe. Or, like someone claiming they got some happy meal toy from Burger King, that is exclusive to McDonalds. Or giving Frodo a red or blue pill... sorry, got carried away, having too much fun with finding ridiculous incorrect world mashups.

But you already got the idea on your post :)
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: b-mata on May 28, 2018, 09:17:01 AM
This article doesn't touch on your original topic of the post necessarily... but it is definitley related.

The 15 Best Songs From This Century That Wouldn't Exist Without U2:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8053980/u2-influential-best-21st-century-songs (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8053980/u2-influential-best-21st-century-songs)
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: BlueSquirrel on May 28, 2018, 11:54:41 AM
Really good article, thank you!
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: dwaltman on May 28, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
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This article doesn't touch on your original topic of the post necessarily... but it is definitley related.

The 15 Best Songs From This Century That Wouldn't Exist Without U2:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8053980/u2-influential-best-21st-century-songs (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8053980/u2-influential-best-21st-century-songs)

Actually, that is exactly what I was trying to get at...in a roundabout way.  Thanks for posting the link.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: KenKaniff on May 28, 2018, 10:08:26 PM
I'm confused here. Is this thread about why people hate U2 or what bands sound like U2?
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 29, 2018, 06:18:38 AM
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I'm confused here. Is this thread about why people hate U2 or what bands sound like U2?
The OP put ďthe real reason people hate U2Ē in the header as a joke ó the answer being Coldplay. But as a result the thread has gone in both directions.


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: summerholly on May 30, 2018, 08:00:04 AM
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... Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.

That statement rings true on the nonpolitical hatred as well. I remember when Songs of Innocence came out. The first string of tweets and social media response to the free download with more jokey in tone. The verbiage was taking pot shots, but not alltogether hateful or completely negative. That escalated quickly. It turn from mere joked to vitriol REALLY fast. Additionally, publications and people followed the downward spiral. From the same sources that may have been more positive at the beginning (or not nearly as negative) they were suddenly voicing much more negative fodder, getting worse and worse. It's click bait.

Interesting thing is how far people will go to join the mob. People and a few scarce publications would write/say things like "How dare you violate my privacy, and download your putrid noise you call music onto my Samsung Galaxy ## etc."  People and publications actually stooped to this level 1) make things up 2) turn something small into something monstrous, in order to be in on the joke and join the mob

How can I say this was made up and claim its hyperbole:
1) It was only available on iOS and people ignorant to this fact were foolish enough to mention the non-Apple device they found it on. (additionally I know several Apple haters who never touched an Apple device join in on this hate)
2) It was a link, not wasn't automatically downloaded unless you actively pressed the option to download.

Once something becomes a fad, many people just want to be a part of it.
I really donít understand the whole Apple thing. Maybe Iím too old to get it, but I strongly suspect the degree of outrage has been overblown. Like you say, itís a fad. When SOE came out, few publications or websites seemed able to mention SOI without harping on the awfulness of the free download.

How absurd that people jumped on board with complaints that couldnít be true. That may be partly the mob mentality at work but I think itís also the troll mentality. Something about the web just brings out the worst in people.

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its as simple as, the free download was only available to people who own iOS/Apple products, yet people were claiming to have the "crap U2 album forced on them" on their Android device, which was NOT possible... thus a huge piece of evidence suggesting/showing mob mentality. It's like someone trying to make a kryptonite joke in relation to Spiderman... dude that makes no sense, its not only the wrong superhero, its the wrong universe. Or, like someone claiming they got some happy meal toy from Burger King, that is exclusive to McDonalds. Or giving Frodo a red or blue pill... sorry, got carried away, having too much fun with finding ridiculous incorrect world mashups.

But you already got the idea on your post :)

I have iTunes on my home desktop computer which is where I discovered SOI like 2 years later lol and promptly downloaded it.  I really couldn't understand all the fuss but then I am not of this generation of young people.  I think it downloaded automatically on some devices and people had to download something else to get rid of it which pi**ed them off and people were going on about invasion of privacy etc.  Gee if that is all you have to be pi**ed off about then you are doing well.  The mob/troll mentality on the internet is a bizarre phenomena but seems par for the course sadly. 
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 30, 2018, 12:21:42 PM
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... Unfortunately, a large segment of the public donít really think for themselves so they just follow along.

That statement rings true on the nonpolitical hatred as well. I remember when Songs of Innocence came out. The first string of tweets and social media response to the free download with more jokey in tone. The verbiage was taking pot shots, but not alltogether hateful or completely negative. That escalated quickly. It turn from mere joked to vitriol REALLY fast. Additionally, publications and people followed the downward spiral. From the same sources that may have been more positive at the beginning (or not nearly as negative) they were suddenly voicing much more negative fodder, getting worse and worse. It's click bait.

Interesting thing is how far people will go to join the mob. People and a few scarce publications would write/say things like "How dare you violate my privacy, and download your putrid noise you call music onto my Samsung Galaxy ## etc."  People and publications actually stooped to this level 1) make things up 2) turn something small into something monstrous, in order to be in on the joke and join the mob

How can I say this was made up and claim its hyperbole:
1) It was only available on iOS and people ignorant to this fact were foolish enough to mention the non-Apple device they found it on. (additionally I know several Apple haters who never touched an Apple device join in on this hate)
2) It was a link, not wasn't automatically downloaded unless you actively pressed the option to download.

Once something becomes a fad, many people just want to be a part of it.
I really donít understand the whole Apple thing. Maybe Iím too old to get it, but I strongly suspect the degree of outrage has been overblown. Like you say, itís a fad. When SOE came out, few publications or websites seemed able to mention SOI without harping on the awfulness of the free download.

How absurd that people jumped on board with complaints that couldnít be true. That may be partly the mob mentality at work but I think itís also the troll mentality. Something about the web just brings out the worst in people.

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its as simple as, the free download was only available to people who own iOS/Apple products, yet people were claiming to have the "crap U2 album forced on them" on their Android device, which was NOT possible... thus a huge piece of evidence suggesting/showing mob mentality. It's like someone trying to make a kryptonite joke in relation to Spiderman... dude that makes no sense, its not only the wrong superhero, its the wrong universe. Or, like someone claiming they got some happy meal toy from Burger King, that is exclusive to McDonalds. Or giving Frodo a red or blue pill... sorry, got carried away, having too much fun with finding ridiculous incorrect world mashups.

But you already got the idea on your post :)

I have iTunes on my home desktop computer which is where I discovered SOI like 2 years later lol and promptly downloaded it.  I really couldn't understand all the fuss but then I am not of this generation of young people.  I think it downloaded automatically on some devices and people had to download something else to get rid of it which pi**ed them off and people were going on about invasion of privacy etc.  Gee if that is all you have to be pi**ed off about then you are doing well.  The mob/troll mentality on the internet is a bizarre phenomena but seems par for the course sadly.
Yes I probably donít understand this generationís relationship with their phones.

I asked a couple of teens I know what they thought of the SOI download controversy. One of them never heard of it (sheís not an Apple user but if it were that huge youíd think sheíd know about it). The other said he was pi**ed off at first to get this album on his phone that he didnít *choose* to get. But then he listened to it and liked it.

I know, a sample size of 2 isnít much, but...




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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Saint22 on May 30, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
People hate U2 for several reasons:

1. Their success
2. Bono's perceived megalomania
3. Their limited musical chops
4. Their sincerity
5. The praise they've received pretty consistently from critics and award shows over the years
Title: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 30, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
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People hate U2 for several reasons:

1. Their success
2. Bono's perceived megalomania
3. Their limited musical chops
4. Their sincerity
5. The praise they've received pretty consistently from critics and award shows over the years
Thatís a pretty good list Iíd say. Except their musical chops were only limited in the beginning and in Edgeís case, never.

Iíd add:

6) Their decency and relative lack of personal scandal
7) Bonoís ridiculous effectiveness as a global-scale philanthropist


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 30, 2018, 01:52:57 PM
He thanked us Americans for helping fight AIDS with our tax dollars - isn't he the one who made that happen? Yes, ridiculously effective.

The sentiment seems to be, if you can't save everybody and fix everything, screw you for trying.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Saint22 on May 30, 2018, 01:54:01 PM
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People hate U2 for several reasons:

1. Their success
2. Bono's perceived megalomania
3. Their limited musical chops
4. Their sincerity
5. The praise they've received pretty consistently from critics and award shows over the years
Thatís a pretty good list Iíd say. Except their musical chops were only limited in the beginning and in Edgeís case, never.

Iíd add:

6) Their decency and relative lack of personal scandal
7) Bonoís ridiculous effectiveness as a global-scale philanthropist


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You are right; let me re-phrase: Their PERCEIVED lack of musical chops. Adam and Larry have absolutely become accomplished musicians over the years, and people who don't know as much about music as they think they do consider Edge a one-trick pony.

I'd agree with those admissions. The lack of personal indiscretions -- how many rock bands do you know that have had one arrest in 40 years? -- seem to make some people think U2 claim a personal piety that actually isn't there.

Oh, and the Christianity/spirituality REALLY annoys some people. Don't forget that one.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 30, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
Wait, who got arrested and why?

And the Christianity thing has the bonus of offending both non-Christians (for being Christian) and Christians (for not being Christian enough, or even being devil-worshippers).

For myself, I am not Christian and love that they are - I don't just tolerate it, it's part of my interest in them.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: 73October on May 30, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
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People hate U2 for several reasons:

1. Their success
2. Bono's perceived megalomania
3. Their limited musical chops
4. Their sincerity
5. The praise they've received pretty consistently from critics and award shows over the years
Thatís a pretty good list Iíd say. Except their musical chops were only limited in the beginning and in Edgeís case, never.

Iíd add:

6) Their decency and relative lack of personal scandal
7) Bonoís ridiculous effectiveness as a global-scale philanthropist


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That's just why I love U2!
They learnt from scratch and got much better what they do through consistent practice and not through sheer talent and precociousness (apart from The Edge - although some people would argue against that he is an average guitarist).
Bono has the natural ability to dominate events and he knows how to do it to maximum effect (and maximum annoyance to some people) and the world would be a worse place without him in my opinion.
They mean what they want to do and achieve and so the music and media businesses fall over themselves with superlatives (because they know music would be all the worse off without them).
They've largely 'kept their powder dry' (so to speak: this isn't a drugs reference!} in a world where scandal and tales dominate news and social media.
They've stuck at it with the same line up for almost 42 years and no-one has done that at their level.  It's like a long service award!
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 30, 2018, 02:48:13 PM
Just saw Bono on CSPAN <3
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 30, 2018, 03:00:45 PM
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Wait, who got arrested and why?

And the Christianity thing has the bonus of offending both non-Christians (for being Christian) and Christians (for not being Christian enough, or even being devil-worshippers).

For myself, I am not Christian and love that they are - I don't just tolerate it, it's part of my interest in them.

Adam got arrested, for drugs (I think just pot or maybe hash).

You make an excellent point about them (esp. Bono) offending both Christians and non-Christians. I caught part of a documentary on YouTube or someplace that alleged Bono is doing the devil's work and leading the faithful astray and all like that.

On the other hand, Bono is able to communicate with very conservative Christians because, though he's politically liberal, his theology is pretty basic. Salvation through grace, through Jesus who literally is the Son of God and literally rose from the dead. And he knows the Scriptures really well (way better than me) and sincerely draws inspiration from them.

I listened to an interview Bono gave a few years back to Focus on the Family, which is a very conservative evangelical organisation. He talked about his childhood and family and about Jesus being punk rock (yes, of course he said that). He also gave a well-informed, heartfelt analysis of certain Biblical passages. The show did get some negative comments about Bono being on, but most of the comments were positive. As the interviewer said, "I know he's unorthodox but he loves the Lord."
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 30, 2018, 03:18:08 PM
    As far as the Apple controversy, I think it's just fashionable to be outraged these days.  The provocation for the outrage makes little difference.  It's almost a substitute for real emotion in some cases, I think.
    I actually think some people dislike Bono for being a good person.  He is a man who has, imperfectly, tried to do some good with his power and position in the world.  This offends some people who may feel inadequate about their own efforts.  Also, anyone who think that Bono lacks depth as a Christian has a very limited understanding of Christianity.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Saint22 on May 30, 2018, 03:29:36 PM
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Wait, who got arrested and why?

And the Christianity thing has the bonus of offending both non-Christians (for being Christian) and Christians (for not being Christian enough, or even being devil-worshippers).

For myself, I am not Christian and love that they are - I don't just tolerate it, it's part of my interest in them.

Adam got arrested for pot in the late 80s. The biggest problem from it was that it could have screwed up the tour if he had lost his passport.

That's a really good point about the religion thing; they do catch it from both sides. Based on what I know about Bono's faith, he and I are in lock-step. We both are liberal Christians who have a personal attachment to Christ and believe in His literal resurrection, but think much of the Old Testament is folklore, but full of wisdom nevertheless.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: summerholly on May 30, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
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    As far as the Apple controversy, I think it's just fashionable to be outraged these days.  The provocation for the outrage makes little difference.  It's almost a substitute for real emotion in some cases, I think.
    I actually think some people dislike Bono for being a good person.  He is a man who has, imperfectly, tried to do some good with his power and position in the world.  This offends some people who may feel inadequate about their own efforts.  Also, anyone who think that Bono lacks depth as a Christian has a very limited understanding of Christianity.

Yes I am not a Christian but with my understanding of Christianity Bono shows greater depth as a Christian than many I know.  His understanding when I read what he writes of the scriptures and how it all fits in with his faith and the way he lives his life is impressive to me as a non Christian.   
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on May 30, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
Yes; Bono explains my faith to me better than anyone I've known.  I don't expect him to live it perfectly at all times (no one does), but I think he has a very good grasp of the essentials of the faith, and let's face it, a strong relationship with the Person in charge.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: scrittoresabino on May 31, 2018, 12:27:45 AM
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    As far as the Apple controversy, I think it's just fashionable to be outraged these days.  The provocation for the outrage makes little difference.  It's almost a substitute for real emotion in some cases, I think.

Agreed. This was part of the point I was making with the Apple "Controversy". Even people who did not own an Apple device (so therefore could not have possibly had the album downloaded. It was ONLY available for Apple devices at the time) were making comment - in person and on social media - about being annoyed and their privacy violated... on their ANDROID. Many people were caught lying to either be in on the jokes or hate, as they volunteered their ignorance in claiming things like "U2 just forced it way onto my Galaxy..." Um, no they didn't, it was an Apple exclusive for quite a lengthy period. It was laughable how often things like that would come up, but evidence of how easily mob mentality takes over, not just against U2 or Apple, but in general.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 31, 2018, 03:00:32 PM
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Just saw Bono on CSPAN <3
What was he doing?


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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: laoghaire on May 31, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
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Just saw Bono on CSPAN <3
What was he doing?

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Well, he was talking. And sitting next to Bush 43.

I wish I could tell you what he was talking about but I couldn't hear. TV mounted to a wall of a rehab facility.

I only posted it because we were talking about his other work, and I know whatever he was discussing on CSPAN (next to W no less) would involve that. Was kind of hoping somebody else would know.

My Dad has dementia and I was amused to hear him comment, "oh look, it's Bono... who's that next to him?" lol
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Luzita on May 31, 2018, 03:46:19 PM
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Just saw Bono on CSPAN <3
What was he doing?

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Well, he was talking. And sitting next to Bush 43.

I wish I could tell you what he was talking about but I couldn't hear. TV mounted to a wall of a rehab facility.

I only posted it because we were talking about his other work, and I know whatever he was discussing on CSPAN (next to W no less) would involve that. Was kind of hoping somebody else would know.

My Dad has dementia and I was amused to hear him comment, "oh look, it's Bono... who's that next to him?" lol



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Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: PopMart_1997 on June 02, 2018, 02:36:25 AM
I've read thru this thread and I'm just going to put it plain & simple: The real reason U2 is hated is because people who hate them are f'n morons. Or bad people. Or both.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 02, 2018, 08:33:39 PM
Well, Bono is obscenely rich.  It must be hard to be so very conscious as he is and also to be so ridiculously rich.  Imagine the cognitive dissonance of being Bono. 
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: summerholly on June 02, 2018, 08:53:01 PM
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Well, Bono is obscenely rich.  It must be hard to be so very conscious as he is and also to be so ridiculously rich.  Imagine the cognitive dissonance of being Bono.

There are some very rich philanthropists around.  I was watching a program a couple of years ago about one our very rich men and he was very conscious of where in our country lack of education and health was to be found wanting and went about working how to set up various programs to address these issues.  He did say however that it was hard to get other very rich people involved.  I guess some people will always be wired with the need to use their wealth and influence to at least try to change things for the better. despite the fact that they really don't have to care at all.  Doesn't mean that they cant enjoy their wealth either. 
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 03, 2018, 02:49:53 AM
I wonder if Bono secretly gives to lots of charities in Africa, Ireland, or elsewhere.  I'm sure he does his share, but I wonder if there are big initiatives no one knows he supports?  Otherwise, what would someone do with that much money?
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: summerholly on June 03, 2018, 04:21:24 AM
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I wonder if Bono secretly gives to lots of charities in Africa, Ireland, or elsewhere.  I'm sure he does his share, but I wonder if there are big initiatives no one knows he supports?  Otherwise, what would someone do with that much money?

I read his wife's clothing line has been in the red for a number of years and they have supported it to the tune of millions to get it going and get fair trade jobs going for local women in that line.  I think they also supported women in Lesotho to start businesses based on fair trade.  I would say that it is highly likely they both do work on that type of venture.  Certainly the rich philanthropists in this country rarely big note what they do and one normally gets to hear of it when someone does an article or TV segment on them. 
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: jonnydeaf on June 03, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
I don't spend much time worrying about why u2 is hated.  I'm happy to enjoy the music they give us and find ways to enjoy different songs in different ways. 
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: JTNash on June 03, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
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I don't spend much time worrying about why u2 is hated.  I'm happy to enjoy the music they give us and find ways to enjoy different songs in different ways.
really? I try to be the U2 avenger all over the internet.  Rolling Stone articles and anywhere U2 justice needs to be served.  Lol
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 03, 2018, 02:36:00 PM
Oftentimes we only hear much about people's charity work after they die.
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Post by: JTNash on June 03, 2018, 02:39:00 PM
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Oftentimes we only hear much about people's charity work after they die.
just watched a documentary on George Michael, that definitely the case with him.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 03, 2018, 02:40:20 PM
Was George mentally ill?  I liked his music, too.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: JTNash on June 03, 2018, 02:55:03 PM
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Was George mentally ill?  I liked his music, too.
depression and anxiety are suspected. I wanted to give him a hug through the TV he was lonely a lot of his life. He also was an addict. I suspect he self medicated his whole life for his depression and anxiety.  He was on my wall in my room forever even when I didnít live there lol.  Big George Poster, I also had the Joshua Tree and Actung Baby album cover posters.

I once saw a rock star wives thing and they all pretty much said they would be dead if not for their wives.  It was Dee Snyderís wife and John Bon Joviís wife and a few others. 

I suspect trouble with his wife killed Chris Cornell along with depression and anxiety
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: shineinthesummernight on June 03, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
I had the old Unforgettable Fire poster in my first apartment.  Bono wearing his funny Irish cap.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: Clarky on June 03, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
I think it's a no-win situation when you combine success and riches with attempts to impart profundity. It gets interpreted and misconstrued as hypocrisy and pomposity. I'm 'Bono-enlightened' so I don't receive it that way, but I can kind of understand why a lot of people initially get turned off. And once that is set in, it's hard to undo. And yes, its fun and fashionable to be offended by things that well-off celebrities, who appear to have their life in order, have to say to the common people these days... regardless of what they are actually saying. If people listened, or didn't just pick and choose the things that trigger them, maybe Bono and co. wouldn't be regarded quite the same way that they are.
Title: Re: The Real Reason U2 is Hated
Post by: PopMart_1997 on June 03, 2018, 08:40:56 PM
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I don't spend much time worrying about why u2 is hated.  I'm happy to enjoy the music they give us and find ways to enjoy different songs in different ways.
really? I try to be the U2 avenger all over the internet.  Rolling Stone articles and anywhere U2 justice needs to be served.  Lol
Amen!