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Title: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on September 30, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Hello everybody,

in the sunday times interview, Larry Mullen "assume there’ll be another album".
When ask if he'll resume acting, the U2 drummer answered: "I’d like to, but I had to put all that stuff on hold. The problem is if the tour gets changed, the album gets released at a different time and all bets are off".

Does he mean there's a U2 album on the go anytime soon? 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exclusive-u2-interview-chrissy-iley-meets-the-band-on-tour-to-talk-rsi-clean-eating-and-bonos-neardeath-experience-2223nwhpt
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: sortof_jos on September 30, 2018, 03:34:49 AM
I hope so.
But maybe wishful thinking ...
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: singnomore on September 30, 2018, 05:12:23 AM
Not the way I read it. Sounded more him explaining why he didn’t pursue the acting career. I think reading the article it’s suggesting there is a big question mark over the whole thing.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Marvinho on September 30, 2018, 05:42:55 AM
I think there will be but not any time soon.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: the_chief on September 30, 2018, 09:32:46 AM
http://chrissyiley.com/bono-the-london-sunday-times-magazine-september-30-2018/

I think it's coming to an end...
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on September 30, 2018, 12:58:52 PM
Everyone’s being over dramatic and thinking there is an Achtung/Zoo tour 2 is absurd. There will be another album and another tour. But it’s going to be 4/5 years just as 360-IE was.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Sevy2016 on September 30, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
No chance, the world and U2 need a break from one another.
The band need a break themselves, they aren't 25 anymore and this article is telling in that regard.

Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: MrsZoo on September 30, 2018, 03:09:56 PM
The article left me feeling very sad that they may well call it a day soon. We should definitely make the most of this tour. And I’m even more worried about Bono’s health now.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on September 30, 2018, 03:32:35 PM
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http://chrissyiley.com/bono-the-london-sunday-times-magazine-september-30-2018/

I think it's coming to an end...

That is the GREATEST U2 interview I have ever read.

Typos and missing quote marks aside.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: podiumboy on September 30, 2018, 04:12:13 PM
I enjoyed that article, but the author was clearly spinning the story to fit the narrative of “U2 are old and need physical therapy to perform, the end is near!”

I mean, the end MIGHT be near.  They may take some time off and realize that they don’t have anything left to say, no passion for it anymore.  More likely, though, is that they’ll take a well deserved break in 2019.  Then they’ll begin work in the next album, which will take a couple years.  I wouldn’t expect an album anytime before late 2021, which would be 4 years since SOE.  All signs point to a band who just needs a break for awhile.
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Post by: Luzita on September 30, 2018, 10:54:14 PM
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http://chrissyiley.com/bono-the-london-sunday-times-magazine-september-30-2018/

I think it's coming to an end...
Thanks for posting this! It appears to be an earlier draft of the article that appeared in The Times. So, a little messier but more stuff! Great article.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 73October on October 01, 2018, 11:33:13 AM
The world has changed and they need to take stock....they'll be back.  Spend some time mentoring the Music Generation in Ireland and that might help bring back some hope.  The younger generations are said to be some of the most optimistic?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Sbhalt on October 01, 2018, 08:29:29 PM
It certainly sounds like they need a break, but they are artists. Bono will need to write, Edge will need to create. The one that worries me is Larry. I never thought about how banging sticks year after year has taken it’s toll on his body. I hope a good rest will do them all a world of good.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 02, 2018, 06:01:18 AM
At the end of this rolling stone article, it is mentionned that Experience Tour maybe extended in 2019
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-unforgettable-fire-stay-731643/

One thing for sure, if Experience Tour is about going home, and the final date is november 13th,
then, let's say Berlin is U2's home... Another Achtung Baby on the way?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on October 04, 2018, 11:55:08 AM
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At the end of this rolling stone article, it is mentionned that Experience Tour maybe extended in 2019
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-unforgettable-fire-stay-731643/

One thing for sure, if Experience Tour is about going home, and the final date is november 13th,
then, let's say Berlin is U2's home... Another Achtung Baby on the way?

It’s not going to be extended. They referring to an older article. The band has recently been very excited to get off work asap
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on October 04, 2018, 03:20:11 PM
That article is much ado about nothing. The band are fine. Larry and Adam are vegan's or vegetarians and have been for a while now. They all get expert medical care, physical care, etc. This is a band that is interested in taking care of itself and wants longevity!
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 06, 2018, 02:30:30 AM
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At the end of this rolling stone article, it is mentionned that Experience Tour maybe extended in 2019
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-unforgettable-fire-stay-731643/

One thing for sure, if Experience Tour is about going home, and the final date is november 13th,
then, let's say Berlin is U2's home... Another Achtung Baby on the way?
It’s not going to be extended. They referring to an older article. The band has recently been very excited to get off work asap
I know it's an old article but don't you think "Rolling Stone Magazine" is aware about that kind of information... Let's wait until november.

Plus back in 2008, I remember U2 had signed with Live Nation for 4 albums 4 tours until 2020. The band released only 3 albums since:
- No Line on the Horizon
- Songs of Innocence
- Songs of Experience...
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Catlithco on October 06, 2018, 07:28:52 AM
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I know it's an old article but don't you think "Rolling Stone Magazine" is aware about that kind of information... Let's wait until november.

Plus back in 2008, I remember U2 had signed with Live Nation for 4 albums 4 tours until 2020. The band released only 3 albums since:
- No Line on the Horizon
- Songs of Innocence
- Songs of Experience...

The albums have nothing to do with the tours.
Albums is Universal records business, touring is Live Nation business. They can even publish a record without a tour.
I've never read that the LN deal was linked to an amount of tours, but since signing it, they had four tours: 360, i+e, JT, e+i.

I believe that the tour won't be extended. They will have Berlin as final show for that tour, and then they will probably take a very long break. I guess something around 5 years. If they ever continue. We must not forget their age, it's not only Bono who has already had a serious health issue recently, but the other three can also get health issues. It can happen in that age.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 06, 2018, 11:11:00 AM
What!? Only 8 persons are optimistic, against 35 persons pessimistic.
What about the law of attraction, guys!?
If you want a new U2 album soon, you better have to believe it's on the way ;)
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Catlithco on October 06, 2018, 12:15:01 PM
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What!? Only 8 persons are optimistic, against 35 persons pessimistic.
What about the law of attraction, guys!?
If you want a new U2 album soon, you better have to believe it's on the way ;)

Did you read the interview?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on October 06, 2018, 04:10:43 PM
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What!? Only 8 persons are optimistic, against 35 persons pessimistic.
What about the law of attraction, guys!?
If you want a new U2 album soon, you better have to believe it's on the way ;)

I play for the optimism team. I'm optimistic about another album.

But "soon"? You're dreaming, sorry.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 07, 2018, 10:11:35 AM
Of course, I’ve read the article, but honestly, I think it’s over dramatized,
Except for Larry Mullen. I don’t buy it.
Leonard Cohen has performed on stage until the end and he was much more older that any members of the band. I saw U2 live in Paris in September and they weren’t jumping everywhere. What I mean is that nobody’s asking them to fake their age, come on, they’re just musicians, they can play music without pretending they’re 20 years old, that’s ok with me. How many musicians still performing on stage without complaining ? A lot in fact! Why not U2. I’m pretty sure we will have a new U2 album in 2019 and a tout 2020.
Title: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Tortuga on October 07, 2018, 10:34:46 AM
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Of course, I’ve read the article, but honestly, I think it’s over dramatized,
Except for Larry Mullen. I don’t buy it.
Leonard Cohen has performed on stage until the end and he was much more older that any members of the band. I saw U2 live in Paris in September and they weren’t jumping everywhere. What I mean is that nobody’s asking them to fake their age, come on, they’re just musicians, they can play music without pretending they’re 20 years old, that’s ok with me. How many musicians still performing on stage without complaining ? A lot in fact! Why not U2. I’m pretty sure we will have a new U2 album in 2019 and a tout 2020.

This topic about their age and the end being near keeps coming up, always with comparisons to BB King or any of the other musicians who have stayed active into their eighties.  The truth is you never know when anyone is going to develop medical problems and its a simple law of nature that as you age the probability gets greater.  Notice most of these solo acts well into old age are on stage with younger musicians.  All their peers from their younger years aren’t up there with them.

Some people in their eighties are like others in their sixties and vice versa.  Using Leonard Cohen or BB King or Macca or anyone else is meaningless.  So is using Tom Petty or anyone else who died young as evidence that this “may be their last tour”.  Maybe it will be. Or maybe there will be five or six more albums.  Nobody knows.  Just appreciate them while they’re here like you should the loved ones you are close to.  Not everyone dies of old age.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 73October on October 07, 2018, 01:43:39 PM
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Of course, I’ve read the article, but honestly, I think it’s over dramatized,
Except for Larry Mullen. I don’t buy it.
Leonard Cohen has performed on stage until the end and he was much more older that any members of the band. I saw U2 live in Paris in September and they weren’t jumping everywhere. What I mean is that nobody’s asking them to fake their age, come on, they’re just musicians, they can play music without pretending they’re 20 years old, that’s ok with me. How many musicians still performing on stage without complaining ? A lot in fact! Why not U2. I’m pretty sure we will have a new U2 album in 2019 and a tout 2020.

This topic about their age and the end being near keeps coming up, always with comparisons to BB King or any of the other musicians who have stayed active into their eighties.  The truth is you never know when anyone is going to develop medical problems and its a simple law of nature that as you age the probability gets greater.  Notice most of these solo acts well into old age are on stage with younger musicians.  All their peers from their younger years aren’t up there with them.

Some people in their eighties are like others in their sixties and vice versa.  Using Leonard Cohen or BB King or Macca or anyone else is meaningless.  So is using Tom Petty or anyone else who died young as evidence that this “may be their last tour”.  Maybe it will be. Or maybe there will be five or six more albums.  Nobody knows.  Just appreciate them while they’re here like you should the loved ones you are close to.  Not everyone dies of old age.


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Well said Tortuga
I think that's what the band are getting at.  Nothing is a given these days and in the generation that U2 are in, lifestyle choices are a factor when it comes to life and death (so the professional medics say)...so this is the first generation that played hard and some of those stars have already gone too soon (Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Prince, George Michael, Tom Petty to name but five).  In the UK, we have the startling news that life expectancy growth has stopped.  I think it may actually start to decline slightly.  There's lots of talk of modern 'diseases' such as heat disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes type 2 etc and lifestyle choices.  Whether this is all genuine or a bit of shock tactics to get people to look at how they (have) live(d) is not for this thread.
For all we know, U2 could keep going many years releasing albums and touring. 
But then, they are not getting any younger and they are at the stage on the E&I tour where it seems to feel like they are approaching the finishing line of a marathon (2 albums and 3 tours in 4 years) and they are finding they can't finish with the flourish they may have been able to do when coming off previous long term projects.
I think they want to carry on.  The best thing they could do now is go away, break and regroup for a debrief and maybe to 'dream it all up yet again'. 
I sense the feeling amongst many fans is an acceptance of a bit of a break for a year or so in order to preserve the hopeful longevity of the band.  Who says we are not the caring kind?  We care a lot about the band and want the best for them, even if it means hearing dribs and drabs of news over the next 12 months or so. We've had it good since 2014 and it's been quite a ride.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 07, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
All these artists were sick, on medication or commit suicide. That's not the case of any member of U2, in the interview, they just mentioned the fact that they're older...

About a new album, we've got very good reason to expect another one before their last goodbye. I think they have an album ready to go, it's called "Songs of Ascent" and it will be released next year to close the songs trilogy. I can already hear Bono saying "It actually takes us 10 years to finish it, but this album is finally here". In fact, U2 started the promotion of "Songs of Ascent" 10 years ago.

Here's a video (released in 2017) about Bono talking about the songs of ascent in the Bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WXjEiy_5qQQ

For those who're interested, here's the site:
https://fullerstudio.fuller.edu/bono-and-david-taylor-beyond-the-psalms/
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: shineinthesummernight on October 07, 2018, 02:26:42 PM
I hope they do a "Songs of Ascent" and that it's somewhat moody, impressionistic, and ambient.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Gavin82 on October 07, 2018, 02:51:34 PM
Its 40 years nx year would not be suprised if we a few shows also thinking there would have too be some drastic health issues for them too stop
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on October 07, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
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I hope they do a "Songs of Ascent" and that it's somewhat moody, impressionistic, and ambient.
I feel it the same way about this album. :)
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on October 07, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
I think they're tired right now. They've been going for a while now. They are looking forward to a break and not in the mindset to jump right back to work.

Assuming nothing significant happens healthwise, I feel pretty sure they will get the itch to work on their music again at some point.

But not soon. They will be going into their cocoon for a while, starting in a month. Even if they have a lot of SOA done, they aren't going to want to touch it for the time being.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: durk on October 08, 2018, 03:33:13 PM
can anyone scan it? i can't read the times
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on October 08, 2018, 03:59:23 PM
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can anyone scan it? i can't read the times

Try reading this instead, it's the draft and more complete (but minus editing, so there are typos and some awkward sentence constructions, etc.):

http://chrissyiley.com/bono-the-london-sunday-times-magazine-september-30-2018/
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: durk on October 09, 2018, 04:30:09 PM
thanks! that was one of the best U2 interviews i've ever read.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on October 10, 2018, 02:45:40 AM
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All these artists were sick, on medication or commit suicide. That's not the case of any member of U2, in the interview, they just mentioned the fact that they're older...

About a new album, we've got very good reason to expect another one before their last goodbye. I think they have an album ready to go, it's called "Songs of Ascent" and it will be released next year to close the songs trilogy. I can already hear Bono saying "It actually takes us 10 years to finish it, but this album is finally here". In fact, U2 started the promotion of "Songs of Ascent" 10 years ago.

Here's a video (released in 2017) about Bono talking about the songs of ascent in the Bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WXjEiy_5qQQ

For those who're interested, here's the site:
https://fullerstudio.fuller.edu/bono-and-david-taylor-beyond-the-psalms/

2015, and that’s not referring to the once titled “Songs Of Ascent” album. And all the songs made for Songs of Ascent = SOI+SOE.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on October 10, 2018, 06:29:36 AM
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thanks! that was one of the best U2 interviews i've ever read.

Ikr?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on October 19, 2018, 01:50:37 PM
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Of course, I’ve read the article, but honestly, I think it’s over dramatized,
Except for Larry Mullen. I don’t buy it.
Leonard Cohen has performed on stage until the end and he was much more older that any members of the band. I saw U2 live in Paris in September and they weren’t jumping everywhere. What I mean is that nobody’s asking them to fake their age, come on, they’re just musicians, they can play music without pretending they’re 20 years old, that’s ok with me. How many musicians still performing on stage without complaining ? A lot in fact! Why not U2. I’m pretty sure we will have a new U2 album in 2019 and a tout 2020.

This topic about their age and the end being near keeps coming up, always with comparisons to BB King or any of the other musicians who have stayed active into their eighties.  The truth is you never know when anyone is going to develop medical problems and its a simple law of nature that as you age the probability gets greater.  Notice most of these solo acts well into old age are on stage with younger musicians.  All their peers from their younger years aren’t up there with them.

Some people in their eighties are like others in their sixties and vice versa.  Using Leonard Cohen or BB King or Macca or anyone else is meaningless.  So is using Tom Petty or anyone else who died young as evidence that this “may be their last tour”.  Maybe it will be. Or maybe there will be five or six more albums.  Nobody knows.  Just appreciate them while they’re here like you should the loved ones you are close to.  Not everyone dies of old age.


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Another post that is in the negative when discussing U2.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on October 19, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
... so?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Karmamalaga on October 22, 2018, 04:56:51 AM
 Songs Of Ascent seems like a likely title for a next album, one which may very well already have been written, if not yet recorded: a little bit like Rattle And Hum. The logo (including the stage) of the iE/eI-tour does not include the letter A. Ascent - at least to me - sounds nothing like descent, i.e. (yes, pun intended) that they are actually far from changing career paths. Zooropa did not need a change of stage, it was the Zoo-TV-Tour.

After such scenario - Songs Of Ascent in 2019 followed perhaps by a kind of Lovetown-like mini tour (Asia?) -  they may take a long pause, but for inspiration, that is. Bono isn't likely going to suddenly stop being inspired in writing, on the contrary: his probem would be to stop writing about current events since the latter change so quickly nowadays and rather write general, ambiguous / mysterious lyrics that anyone can relate to personally or just disregard (Elvis Presly And America's lyrics comes to mind) or prompt one to say "whatever he wants to say, the music is awesome!".

NB: In another recent thread about forums like this one shrinking in activity due to age of fan base etc, I would like to say that that was the reason for my second post today, but also, that I had several calls to attend prior to posting this message. Cheers to you all and U2!
 
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Gavin82 on October 22, 2018, 05:23:22 AM
In todays Sun paper yeah i know its not the best paper BUT there a write up on Fridays show & an interview they do with Simon Boyle hes was backstage with the boys page 20 & 21it says the band have no plans too stop rocking the boat on the road just yet it goes on but the rest is more about the screen & there Holidays etc
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Clarky on November 02, 2018, 10:50:57 PM
I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
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Post by: BONO31 on November 03, 2018, 01:56:20 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on November 03, 2018, 11:27:49 AM
The “Songs of “ are dead. The next album won’t be a “Songs of”. I’m sure there is a “Songs of Ascent” with mercy and winter. But it will never release, at least in the next 10 years, regardless of what adam says. They’re going to take a minimum 3 year gap. And if anyone truly believes they will do an achtung tour, which I HIGHLY doubt, then you should also believe that the next album will just get pushed further out by that nostalgia tour. We’ve already seen this before

2009-2011 tour
2012- break/record
2013- record
2014- record and re-record /overthink / release
2015 tour

2015-2018 tour
2019- year off
2020- first half year off
2020/2021- begin talking recording
2022- recording/ rethinking songs
2023- release maybe or rerecord
2024/25- stadium tour

Yeah, say goodbye to u2 for the next several years.
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Post by: BONO31 on November 03, 2018, 12:22:42 PM
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The “Songs of “ are dead. The next album won’t be a “Songs of”. I’m sure there is a “Songs of Ascent” with mercy and winter. But it will never release, at least in the next 10 years, regardless of what adam says. They’re going to take a minimum 3 year gap. And if anyone truly believes they will do an achtung tour, which I HIGHLY doubt, then you should also believe that the next album will just get pushed further out by that nostalgia tour. We’ve already seen this before

2009-2011 tour
2012- break/record
2013- record
2014- record and re-record /overthink / release
2015 tour

2015-2018 tour
2019- year off
2020- first half year off
2020/2021- begin talking recording
2022- recording/ rethinking songs
2023- release maybe or rerecord
2024/25- stadium tour

Yeah, say goodbye to u2 for the next several years.
Your calendar is not exactly correct
2014 release
2015 tour
2016
2017 tour + release
2018 tour

So where is the logic? It changes everytime!

Between "No Line On The Horizon" and "Songs of Innocence": 5 years. (And I'm not counting "Turn Off The Dark" release)
but between "Songs of Innocence" and "Songs of Experience": 3 years.

Plus, U2 changed their way of touring. They spend less time on the road each time.

I bet you'll be more surprised than me soon.
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Post by: 64ac30 on November 03, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
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The “Songs of “ are dead. The next album won’t be a “Songs of”. I’m sure there is a “Songs of Ascent” with mercy and winter. But it will never release, at least in the next 10 years, regardless of what adam says. They’re going to take a minimum 3 year gap. And if anyone truly believes they will do an achtung tour, which I HIGHLY doubt, then you should also believe that the next album will just get pushed further out by that nostalgia tour. We’ve already seen this before

2009-2011 tour
2012- break/record
2013- record
2014- record and re-record /overthink / release
2015 tour

2015-2018 tour
2019- year off
2020- first half year off
2020/2021- begin talking recording
2022- recording/ rethinking songs
2023- release maybe or rerecord
2024/25- stadium tour

Yeah, say goodbye to u2 for the next several years.
Your calendar is not exactly correct
2014 release
2015 tour
2016
2017 tour + release
2018 tour

So where is the logic? It changes everytime!

Between "No Line On The Horizon" and "Songs of Innocence": 5 years. (And I'm not counting "Turn Off The Dark" release)
but between "Songs of Innocence" and "Songs of Experience": 3 years.

Plus, U2 changed their way of touring. They spend less time on the road each time.

I bet you'll be more surprised than me soon.

My calendar is completely right considering they’re starting from scratch again. SOE began with SOI. Take 2019 off. Add 3 years. It’s now 2022. Tour won’t begin until 2023. And if you believe they’re doing achtung, then the album gets postponed another year. I feel bad for all the fans who missed out and the ones who think they’ll come back soon. And next time will definitely be the last.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: xy on November 04, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
I say we won't hear from them until 2022 or 2021 with AB30 short tour before a regular tour or album.

I doubt it's the last time though, unless Larry can't handle it anymore.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 06, 2018, 05:31:19 AM
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The “Songs of “ are dead. The next album won’t be a “Songs of”. I’m sure there is a “Songs of Ascent” with mercy and winter. But it will never release, at least in the next 10 years, regardless of what adam says. They’re going to take a minimum 3 year gap. And if anyone truly believes they will do an achtung tour, which I HIGHLY doubt, then you should also believe that the next album will just get pushed further out by that nostalgia tour. We’ve already seen this before

2009-2011 tour
2012- break/record
2013- record
2014- record and re-record /overthink / release
2015 tour

2015-2018 tour
2019- year off
2020- first half year off
2020/2021- begin talking recording
2022- recording/ rethinking songs
2023- release maybe or rerecord
2024/25- stadium tour

Yeah, say goodbye to u2 for the next several years.
Your calendar is not exactly correct
2014 release
2015 tour
2016
2017 tour + release
2018 tour

So where is the logic? It changes everytime!

Between "No Line On The Horizon" and "Songs of Innocence": 5 years. (And I'm not counting "Turn Off The Dark" release)
but between "Songs of Innocence" and "Songs of Experience": 3 years.

Plus, U2 changed their way of touring. They spend less time on the road each time.

I bet you'll be more surprised than me soon.

 And next time will definitely be the last.

Why do you say that? It may take a while in between records and tours, but its not because the band is not working. The writing and recording process has taken an average of four years for each album since, 1993, 25 years now, a quarter century. Also, they are a big band and like to launch big successful tours whether they are in the arena or stadium. In the concert business, popular veteran artist normally need to have at least a 3 year space between tours in order to achieve the maximum best business on each tour. Touring more frequently than that for a popular veteran artist usually achieves oversaturation and worse results in terms of attendance levels, demand levels per tour.

Check out the last minute of this video on Sting(age 65 in the following interview) when the interviewer brings up "retirement" and see what Sting says about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOMFT5MvrrI

Sting - "retirement?" "I don't really understand that word." "I'm not gonna retire."

I think U2 is the same way and they are almost 10 years younger than Sting. Why stop doing what you love doing with people you love that you have been enjoying this experience since High School? Why stop? Stop and do what?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on November 14, 2018, 10:25:37 AM
Haha, looks like U2 is ready for what's next!!!

If the rumor about the 2019 tour is right, I assume "Songs of Ascent" will be released very soon

https://www.u2songs.com/news/ready_for_whats_next
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: notaguest on November 16, 2018, 05:23:03 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 06:45:21 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 06:53:43 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

Its at 5:12 that he mentions Songs Of Ascent.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: notaguest on November 16, 2018, 07:50:48 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on November 16, 2018, 11:16:27 AM
To me, Adam is only saying he can’t reveal the plan...
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on November 16, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Songs of Ascent doesn’t exist. It seems like people are more obsessed with the title rather than...
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
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Songs of Ascent doesn’t exist. It seems like people are more obsessed with the title rather than...

Its existed for a long time in fact. Adam mentions it in the 2016 interview arranged by this website. He stated in that interview that he did not think they would go outdoors for bigger shows on "Songs Of Experience". He said he believed the next album, "Songs of Ascent" might be a stadium tour. So "Songs Of Ascent" was very much in existence at a time when the band was wrapping up recording with "Songs Of Experience" in late 2016, just two years ago. Songs Of Ascent was first discussed all the way back in 2009 in fact.

Mercy, Winter and other songs that have yet to show up on a U2 album are speculated to be apart of Songs Of Ascent.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 64ac30 on November 16, 2018, 01:56:34 PM
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Songs of Ascent doesn’t exist. It seems like people are more obsessed with the title rather than...

Its existed for a long time in fact. Adam mentions it in the 2016 interview arranged by this website. He stated in that interview that he did not think they would go outdoors for bigger shows on "Songs Of Experience". He said he believed the next album, "Songs of Ascent" might be a stadium tour. So "Songs Of Ascent" was very much in existence at a time when the band was wrapping up recording with "Songs Of Experience" in late 2016, just two years ago. Songs Of Ascent was first discussed all the way back in 2009 in fact.

Mercy, Winter and other songs that have yet to show up on a U2 album are speculated to be apart of Songs Of Ascent.

He did not say that. He said there could be an album called songs of Ascent. Basically meaning it could exist but it doesn’t. Mercy winter and those other songs were never confirmed to be on an album called Songs of Ascent. You can say Every Breaking Wave was written for a supposedly titled album called Songs of Ascent, but it really only exists on Songs of Innocence. Until they announce they’re releasing a Songs Of Ascent album with preorder dates, it doesn’t exist
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.

Thanks for the link! That was a lot of fun to listen to.

But, what Adam says around the 1 hour 36 minute mark is that there is not a sequel to Songs Of Experience. The album "Songs Of Ascent" is not mentioned. So this does not mean "Songs Of Ascent" is not the next album or does not exist anymore. It may be the Songs Of Ascent was always looked at as something different from Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience.

You'd have to have one of the band members actually mentioning "Songs Of Ascent" and saying that it was "dead", did not exist any more, or had been cannibalized to such a degree by SOI and SOE that it was no longer going to be made. None of that is said. So you have to revert back to the last time Songs Of Ascent was mentioned which was in late 2016 during the AtU2 interview.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 03:25:22 PM
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Songs of Ascent doesn’t exist. It seems like people are more obsessed with the title rather than...

Its existed for a long time in fact. Adam mentions it in the 2016 interview arranged by this website. He stated in that interview that he did not think they would go outdoors for bigger shows on "Songs Of Experience". He said he believed the next album, "Songs of Ascent" might be a stadium tour. So "Songs Of Ascent" was very much in existence at a time when the band was wrapping up recording with "Songs Of Experience" in late 2016, just two years ago. Songs Of Ascent was first discussed all the way back in 2009 in fact.

Mercy, Winter and other songs that have yet to show up on a U2 album are speculated to be apart of Songs Of Ascent.

He did not say that. He said there could be an album called songs of Ascent. Basically meaning it could exist but it doesn’t. Mercy winter and those other songs were never confirmed to be on an album called Songs of Ascent. You can say Every Breaking Wave was written for a supposedly titled album called Songs of Ascent, but it really only exists on Songs of Innocence. Until they announce they’re releasing a Songs Of Ascent album with preorder dates, it doesn’t exist

This is a direct quote from Adam in the ATU2 interview September 25, 2016:

"SONGS OF ASCENT IS ALSO IN THE PIPELINE, WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT AT SOME POINT"

earlier in the interview in reference to whether Songs Of Experience would go outside he said the following:

"MY INSTINCT IS THAT ITS NOT AN OUTDOOR TOUR, THAT THAT IS A SONGS OF ASCENT OR SOMETHING ELSE COMING DOWN THE LINE"

So this idea that it "doesn't exist" is clearly false. When it will be released or if it will be released is the question. But it does exist. Also, if there has to be and official release date an pre-order set up for fans, then Songs Of Experience did not exist then either. That interview was September 25, 2016 and Songs Of Experience was not released until December 1, 2017.


So in light of these facts, Songs Of Ascent exist as much as any album from the past that does not have an official release date yet. The band were talking about this album in 2009 and nearly a decade later they are still talking about it. He also said in the interview that Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience were tied together and the release of Songs Of Experience was the end of a period. But that obviously did not mean Songs Of Ascent was not going to happen because he brought it up twice in the interview. Its just that its not actually tied to SOI or SOE.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on November 16, 2018, 03:25:40 PM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.

Thanks for the link! That was a lot of fun to listen to.

But, what Adam says around the 1 hour 36 minute mark is that there is not a sequel to Songs Of Experience. The album "Songs Of Ascent" is not mentioned. So this does not mean "Songs Of Ascent" is not the next album or does not exist anymore. It may be the Songs Of Ascent was always looked at as something different from Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience.

You'd have to have one of the band members actually mentioning "Songs Of Ascent" and saying that it was "dead", did not exist any more, or had been cannibalized to such a degree by SOI and SOE that it was no longer going to be made. None of that is said. So you have to revert back to the last time Songs Of Ascent was mentioned which was in late 2016 during the AtU2 interview.

I totally agree with you, SOA is another project more related to No Line album than Innocence + Experience albums...

About the interview, my favorite part is about PoP, it’s great to hear the band talk about it
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 16, 2018, 03:37:57 PM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.

Thanks for the link! That was a lot of fun to listen to.

But, what Adam says around the 1 hour 36 minute mark is that there is not a sequel to Songs Of Experience. The album "Songs Of Ascent" is not mentioned. So this does not mean "Songs Of Ascent" is not the next album or does not exist anymore. It may be the Songs Of Ascent was always looked at as something different from Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience.

You'd have to have one of the band members actually mentioning "Songs Of Ascent" and saying that it was "dead", did not exist any more, or had been cannibalized to such a degree by SOI and SOE that it was no longer going to be made. None of that is said. So you have to revert back to the last time Songs Of Ascent was mentioned which was in late 2016 during the AtU2 interview.

I totally agree with you, SOA is another project more related to No Line album than Innocence + Experience albums...

About the interview, my favorite part is about PoP, it’s great to hear the band talk about it

I was shocked to hear Edge's fondness of "Last Night On Earth". I liked it when it first came out, but then grew away from it. Something about it is very raw, undercooked, and it feels disjointed. The Chorus feels forced and like something from a different song that they hastily fused together with the versus. It does not have a natural flow or feel like the first three songs on the album.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BlueSquirrel on November 16, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
I would love a new album. Let's hope they'll find the inspiration for it! It would be incredible to have both a new album and an AB tour or a tour mixing the both of them!

Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: BONO31 on November 17, 2018, 03:54:26 AM
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.

Thanks for the link! That was a lot of fun to listen to.

But, what Adam says around the 1 hour 36 minute mark is that there is not a sequel to Songs Of Experience. The album "Songs Of Ascent" is not mentioned. So this does not mean "Songs Of Ascent" is not the next album or does not exist anymore. It may be the Songs Of Ascent was always looked at as something different from Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience.

You'd have to have one of the band members actually mentioning "Songs Of Ascent" and saying that it was "dead", did not exist any more, or had been cannibalized to such a degree by SOI and SOE that it was no longer going to be made. None of that is said. So you have to revert back to the last time Songs Of Ascent was mentioned which was in late 2016 during the AtU2 interview.

I totally agree with you, SOA is another project more related to No Line album than Innocence + Experience albums...

About the interview, my favorite part is about PoP, it’s great to hear the band talk about it

I was shocked to hear Edge's fondness of "Last Night On Earth". I liked it when it first came out, but then grew away from it. Something about it is very raw, undercooked, and it feels disjointed. The Chorus feels forced and like something from a different song that they hastily fused together with the versus. It does not have a natural flow or feel like the first three songs on the album.
But I love the idea of Bono to play "Last Night on Earth" acoustically !!! To me, the bridge of this song is absolutly brilliant on the album version, it's a shame the band never play it that way live back in 1997.

About "Songs of Ascent" and now the rumor of stadium tour next year, I can strongly feel that we'll have a surprise released album in february/march 2019. I don't know why, it's the first time it's happening to me, but I've got this strong intuition the album is there, ready to be released.

One of the real reason why U2 was releasing an album every 4 or 5 years in the 2000s was because they wanted to spend time with their family as the kids were little. Same thing happened to Springsteen in the 90s, and right after that period of time, he was very prolific and released almost 8 albums in 10 years.

I'm pretty sure U2 will do the same,
as Springsteen always was an example to follow for them.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: podiumboy on November 17, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
It's not as if SOA is a completed 12 song album sitting in somebody's external hard drive.  SOA was an intended followup to NLOTH.  NLOTH flopped, and they figured that what they had for SOA wouldn't be anymore popular, so they didn't release it. 

THEN, they mined it and used bits and pieces of it for SOI and SOE.  Every Breaking Wave is a good example of this.  Glastonbury eventually became Volcano and American Soul, Stingray Guitar eventually became Lucifer's Hands, etc.  I'm sure there are several examples of this we don't even know.  SOA at this point, only exists as a concept.  They aren't going to release a "new" album with Mercy, North Star and All my life on it.  I'm also pretty sure that some of it was siphoned to the Spiderman Soundtrack.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 17, 2018, 09:36:43 AM
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It's not as if SOA is a completed 12 song album sitting in somebody's external hard drive.  SOA was an intended followup to NLOTH.  NLOTH flopped, and they figured that what they had for SOA wouldn't be anymore popular, so they didn't release it. 

THEN, they mined it and used bits and pieces of it for SOI and SOE.  Every Breaking Wave is a good example of this.  Glastonbury eventually became Volcano and American Soul, Stingray Guitar eventually became Lucifer's Hands, etc.  I'm sure there are several examples of this we don't even know.  SOA at this point, only exists as a concept.  They aren't going to release a "new" album with Mercy, North Star and All my life on it.  I'm also pretty sure that some of it was siphoned to the Spiderman Soundtrack.

1. NLOTH was NOT a flop. It was 7th biggest selling album worldwide of 2009! It was one of the 25 biggest selling albums in the United States in 2009.
2. The tour supporting NLOTH remains to this day the highest attended, highest grossing tour EVER!
3. U2 shows on the Joshua Tree tour 2017 FAILED to match attendance levels on 360 in such cities as Pittsburgh and Dallas as well as others. Pretty interesting to see a tour supporting an album like NLOTH beat a total nostalgia tour for the Joshua Tree in several cities.

As for Songs of Ascent, the quotes from ADAM in September 2016 are there. This is a definite project they are working on not connected to Songs Of Innocence or Songs of Experience that has been in existence since at least 2009.

You don't know that they are not going to release Mercy, Winter or other songs on a new album called Songs of Ascent. The evidence we have suggest otherwise.

The idea that Songs Of Ascent does not exist or is dead, is the pure imagination of a few fans. The facts, direct qoutes from the band, show the project is still going. The band have even said they are still working on a song like Mercy and they have played it live.

Mercy and Winter are two of the bands greatest songs ever and it would be a shame if they never got officially released as part of a new album.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Sunchild on November 17, 2018, 09:52:08 AM
Songs Of Ascent might exist more as a concept they wish to focus on, with many song ideas that exist from those sessions, hence why the title has been mentioned so many times, there is a concrete story-telling related to this album they wish to do. It is possible Mercy or Winter may never be on this album, but the concept is what is more probable to survive. That is something far more interesting to me too than those particular songs, except for Soon, that song really deserves to be 8 min sprawling epic that goes into unexpected directions. I would be open to the idea of U2's next reinvention to tackle jazz structures of songs in a way that Mercury Rev or Elbow has been doing often, completely unpredictable changes in rhythm, sound or time. They have been quite poppy lately, this would be quite opposite direction, that could include more prominent wind instruments on the album.

I feel this might be the next direction for U2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5M2ZVeXyQI
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 17, 2018, 01:56:10 PM
Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.
Title: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Tortuga on November 17, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

This is another thing I just don’t get.  What is all the excitement to have two songs that we already have, released again on a new album.  Ok I get that Mercy was unfinished and not an official release.  But its raw nature is what made it so good.

Winter was already a finished official release on the Brothers soundtrack.  The original version was on Linear.  So much excitement for songs we first heard years ago and have re-heard many times?  Although, I’m surprised you allowed yourself to listen to Mercy.  It was an illegal download.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: World71R on November 17, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

And back to back too. Winter opening the album with Mercy following it would be a stunning opening to an album.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 17, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

This is another thing I just don’t get.  What is all the excitement to have two songs that we already have, released again on a new album.  Ok I get that Mercy was unfinished and not an official release.  But its raw nature is what made it so good.

Winter was already a finished official release on the Brothers soundtrack.  The original version was on Linear.  So much excitement for songs we first heard years ago and have re-heard many times?  Although, I’m surprised you allowed yourself to listen to Mercy.  It was an illegal download.


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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 17, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

And back to back too. Winter opening the album with Mercy following it would be a stunning opening to an album.

Yes, I can see that, although if they come up with a whole album of songs in a similar vein, then they could spread them out.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 17, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

This is another thing I just don’t get.  What is all the excitement to have two songs that we already have, released again on a new album.  Ok I get that Mercy was unfinished and not an official release.  But its raw nature is what made it so good.

Winter was already a finished official release on the Brothers soundtrack.  The original version was on Linear.  So much excitement for songs we first heard years ago and have re-heard many times?  Although, I’m surprised you allowed yourself to listen to Mercy.  It was an illegal download.


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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!
To be clear, I don’t have a problem with it but it is technically illegal.  It was property that belonged to the band that was thrown out on the internet without their permission or authorization.  Some artists are very protective of unfinished works and don’t want anything like that out there.  This is highly inconsistent with your views about LEGAL streaming and not standing at a concert “out of respect”.  If the band wanted people to hear that they would have released it and sold it.  If this respect issue was something that really mattered to you, instead of just something to criticize me about, you would be consistent.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Chargedvt on November 17, 2018, 08:43:49 PM
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That is because they literally came up with the chorus in the mastering suite at the last minute. You can hear Bono's voice is shot so they've drowned it in reverb.
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I can't imagine we'll get another U2 album until late 2021 at the earliest.
watch the video at 10:04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFATsqo6jLI

This is two years ago. He said on U Talkin' U2 To Me? in July that they weren't doing Songs of Ascent anymore.

Do you have a link for that, either video(youtube for example) or article with a quote?

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/u-talkin-u2-to-me-experience-innocence-tour-pt-2-with-u2/
Interviews start around 30-40 minutes in iirc.

Thanks for the link! That was a lot of fun to listen to.

But, what Adam says around the 1 hour 36 minute mark is that there is not a sequel to Songs Of Experience. The album "Songs Of Ascent" is not mentioned. So this does not mean "Songs Of Ascent" is not the next album or does not exist anymore. It may be the Songs Of Ascent was always looked at as something different from Songs Of Innocence and Songs Of Experience.

You'd have to have one of the band members actually mentioning "Songs Of Ascent" and saying that it was "dead", did not exist any more, or had been cannibalized to such a degree by SOI and SOE that it was no longer going to be made. None of that is said. So you have to revert back to the last time Songs Of Ascent was mentioned which was in late 2016 during the AtU2 interview.

I totally agree with you, SOA is another project more related to No Line album than Innocence + Experience albums...

About the interview, my favorite part is about PoP, it’s great to hear the band talk about it

I was shocked to hear Edge's fondness of "Last Night On Earth". I liked it when it first came out, but then grew away from it. Something about it is very raw, undercooked, and it feels disjointed. The Chorus feels forced and like something from a different song that they hastily fused together with the versus. It does not have a natural flow or feel like the first three songs on the album.
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Post by: BONO31 on November 18, 2018, 12:57:07 AM
SoON
Welcome
Winter
Mercy
North Star
Mount Zion
The sun the moon and the stars
Velvet hearts
Abraham’sons
Pilgrim lakes of progress
Everybody’s a star
Freedom
Thank you for the day...
Every breaking waves (SOA version)
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: NateV on November 18, 2018, 01:40:09 AM
I still think there is a chance of there being a “Songs of” trilogy. Bono is obviously fond of the Psalms and in particular the Songs of Ascent sections. Just like taking William Blakes poem books as a general structure/ map for the last 2 albums, they might use the Psalm book for the next album. A full-on gospel album. I think I might be hearing too much into this, but isn’t it interesting that Bono’s final words on the tour were not the line about going away, but about singing songs of worship, and supposedly wanting to put up a cross on the stage but not wanting to be hung on it...?
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Post by: BONO31 on November 18, 2018, 04:22:42 AM
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I still think there is a chance of there being a “Songs of” trilogy. Bono is obviously fond of the Psalms and in particular the Songs of Ascent sections. Just like taking William Blakes poem books as a general structure/ map for the last 2 albums, they might use the Psalm book for the next album. A full-on gospel album. I think I might be hearing too much into this, but isn’t it interesting that Bono’s final words on the tour were not the line about going away, but about singing songs of worship, and supposedly wanting to put up a cross on the stage but not wanting to be hung on it...?
No, you didn’t reading too much,
Thank you for sharing,
I didn’t notice that...
There is too many signs about Songs of ascent😉
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Post by: hollywoodswag on November 18, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
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Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.
I think it's quite obvious that it was meant as a matter of opinion. The delivery was fine.

Now, if he had said, "Zoo Station is the greatest song of all time," THAT is something to be interpreted as fact.

;)
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Post by: laoghaire on November 18, 2018, 08:49:14 AM
I think hollywoodswag was joking about Zoo Station!

Because Mofo is the greatest U2 song of all time, clearly :)
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 10:13:14 AM
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Well, in my opinion, any U2 album that gets the songs Mercy and Winter is automatically a candidate for greatest U2 album of all time.

This is another thing I just don’t get.  What is all the excitement to have two songs that we already have, released again on a new album.  Ok I get that Mercy was unfinished and not an official release.  But its raw nature is what made it so good.

Winter was already a finished official release on the Brothers soundtrack.  The original version was on Linear.  So much excitement for songs we first heard years ago and have re-heard many times?  Although, I’m surprised you allowed yourself to listen to Mercy.  It was an illegal download.


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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!
To be clear, I don’t have a problem with it but it is technically illegal.  It was property that belonged to the band that was thrown out on the internet without their permission or authorization.  Some artists are very protective of unfinished works and don’t want anything like that out there.  This is highly inconsistent with your views about LEGAL streaming and not standing at a concert “out of respect”.  If the band wanted people to hear that they would have released it and sold it.  If this respect issue was something that really mattered to you, instead of just something to criticize me about, you would be consistent.


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WRONG! Here's why. Ever concert the band performs is technically their property. Do they release them all? No, not even close. But the band approves of fans taping and collecting their shows even though 99% of them have never been released. Have record companies or bands ever gone ever people about live bootlegs? No. Artist and record companies care about PRODUCT they are trying to sell and make money off of. If its something THEY want you to buy with your money, but you STEAL it instead by obtaining it for free, that is an act of disrespect and illegal. Its what you enjoy doing in addition to sitting on your ASS at concerts.


So no, listening to a U2 live bootleg of their Phoenix Park show from 1983 or listening to Mercy is NOT illegal, or disrespectful. Neither that show or song is being sold by the band. There is no option for the fans, to buy it. So obtaining a copy of it is ok and consistent with the bands view on this issue for decades.


The first version of Mercy made it out to the public when Bono met a girl outside the studio a week before the release of How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb. He gave her a ride back to Temple Bar area and Dublin and when she was getting out of her car, he handed her a CD, which happened to be the new album, but with one small difference. The last song on the album was Mercy. She discovered that it was not on the album when it was released and uploaded it to the internet asking around if anyone had heard it and what it was. Even more mysterious is that the Delux version of the album had a book that came with it with art, pictures and some song lyrics and in it were the lyrics to Mercy. It was later revealed that the band had intended for Mercy to be on HTDAAB by decided at the end not to keep it on there. So Bono had given her a copy of the album with a version of Mercy on it.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 10:24:39 AM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 18, 2018, 10:44:58 AM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

Thank you Wons.  You have just proven that you decide right from wrong for yourself based on what you think feels right, not on the law.  Therefore why don’t you drop the sanctimonious judgement on Spotify, which is legal and the band has given explicit approval for, or sitting at a concert, and let everybody decide for themselves, just like you do.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on November 18, 2018, 10:49:06 AM
Tortuga, I stopped being able to take Wons seriously a while back.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 18, 2018, 11:59:22 AM
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Tortuga, I stopped being able to take Wons seriously a while back.
I know, you’re right.  I keep thinking that if I don’t give up and keep reasoning I can win Won’s respect.  Don’t ask me why I care.  That’s just one of life’s little mysteries.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: laoghaire on November 18, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
You like to engage in intelligent discourse based on reason, that's why. There's always the possibility of learning new things or helping to broaden another person's perspective.

But as much as this seems to be just that, it's not what's going on here.
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Post by: BONO31 on November 18, 2018, 01:27:51 PM
Hey guys, what’s the problem with Mercy?
You feel guilty when you listen to the song because you didn’t bought it
Or you never listened to the song because U2 didn’t released it?

Well, if it’s the case, which I doubt, you’re missing a masterpiece!

Come on, you’re arguing for nothing!

All we want is a U2 new album😀
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Post by: Tortuga on November 18, 2018, 03:58:09 PM
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Hey guys, what’s the problem with Mercy?
You feel guilty when you listen to the song because you didn’t bought it
Or you never listened to the song because U2 didn’t released it?

Well, if it’s the case, which I doubt, you’re missing a masterpiece!

Come on, you’re arguing for nothing!

All we want is a U2 new album

It goes back to earlier posts.  Really has nothing to do with Mercy.


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Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

No crying here.  Just laughing my butt off on how you twist yourself in circles trying to justify your comments and behavior.

I'm glad your so delighted with me after having only been a member for 10 days in this forum. A bit odd that you would follow someone around like this being such a new member of the forum.
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Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

Thank you Wons.  You have just proven that you decide right from wrong for yourself based on what you think feels right, not on the law.  Therefore why don’t you drop the sanctimonious judgement on Spotify, which is legal and the band has given explicit approval for, or sitting at a concert, and let everybody decide for themselves, just like you do.


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Stop telling me what I can or can't say. I have an opinion and I have every right to express it. If I think someone is doing something that is disrespectful to the band, I'm going to say so. Spotify is not good for most artist compared to the previous system where everyone purchased music. I've proven that a million times over with the facts. I never said it was against the law to sit at a concert or get your music through spotify. I've said that sitting at a concert when your not ill or disabled is disrespectful to the band and that Spotify and other methods rob artist of much of the money they would have made from their product if the fans instead purchased the music.


I'm sorry you have become obsessed with me and are now reading all my post in effort to find some technicality to call me out on. Nice try with Mercy. Sorry it didn't work.
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Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 04:39:22 PM
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Hey guys, what’s the problem with Mercy?
You feel guilty when you listen to the song because you didn’t bought it
Or you never listened to the song because U2 didn’t released it?

Well, if it’s the case, which I doubt, you’re missing a masterpiece!

Come on, you’re arguing for nothing!

All we want is a U2 new album

It goes back to earlier posts.  Really has nothing to do with Mercy.


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Yep, nothing to do with thread topic, just your obession with my post and your mistaken belief you found something to call me out on.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 18, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

Thank you Wons.  You have just proven that you decide right from wrong for yourself based on what you think feels right, not on the law.  Therefore why don’t you drop the sanctimonious judgement on Spotify, which is legal and the band has given explicit approval for, or sitting at a concert, and let everybody decide for themselves, just like you do.


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Stop telling me what I can or can't say. I have an opinion and I have every right to express it. If I think someone is doing something that is disrespectful to the band, I'm going to say so. Spotify is not good for most artist compared to the previous system where everyone purchased music. I've proven that a million times over with the facts. I never said it was against the law to sit at a concert or get your music through spotify. I've said that sitting at a concert when your not ill or disabled is disrespectful to the band and that Spotify and other methods rob artist of much of the money they would have made from their product if the fans instead purchased the music.


I'm sorry you have become obsessed with me and are now reading all my post in effort to find some technicality to call me out on. Nice try with Mercy. Sorry it didn't work.

Best to follow Laoghaire’s advice Travis.  We’re just giving him what he wants.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 04:42:12 PM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

"Music piracy is the copying and distributing of recordings of a piece of music for which the rights owners (composer, recording artist, or copyright-holding record company) did not give consent. In the contemporary legal environment, it is a form of copyright infringement, which may be either a civil wrong or a crime depending on jurisdiction." - Source: Wikipedia - Music Piracy

The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

No crying here.  Just laughing my butt off on how you twist yourself in circles trying to justify your comments and behavior.

I'm glad your so delighted with me after having only been a member for 10 days in this forum. A bit odd that you would follow someone around like this being such a new member of the forum.

Don't flatter yourself.  I'm not following your around on the forum.  I've spent the last 10 days reading just about every thread on this forum.  It doesn't take a genius to see what you've done here.  It's your fault, not mine.  It's your constant disrespect for everyone on this forum.  It's you trying to slam your comments on everyone, with a self imposed demanding authority.  Don't try to f*** with my head.  The problem is you.  It's clear from every thread that I've read, in which you appear, that there's always a problem.  You made your own bed, by your own actions.  I haven't followed you anywhere.  It's you tearing everything apart.  Again, the problem is you.  Don't try to throw me under the bus because of your poor behavior.  Get over yourself.

How could anyone not be flattered after receiving a post like this.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 18, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
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1. Mercy is not finished and its final form is uncertain. I listen to CD's, full albums, and I want Mercy in a final form to have an album its apart of.
2. Winter as released on the Brothers soundtrack is not the real thing. The band said what was put on Linear is a little to long and is not the final version they want.
3. The vibe on both songs is similar and I'd love an album filled with similar type songs
4. These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME! Both make my U2 top 20 which is impressive since the U2 song catalog is now closing in on 300 songs.
5. They may have to release a Mercy 1 and a Mercy 2. I love what they did with it live in 2010 on 360, but the chorus is a lot different. Its hard to pick between both versions.

Finally, its not illegal to download something for free if its NOT being sold by the band. Mercy is not in its final form yet and has never been officially released, so its not illegal to have a copy of it. Its the same with U2 live bootlegs. I have hundreds of shows and that's ok because the band was never trying to sell those shows or make money off of them.


I have Mercy on a CD somewhere from when I downloaded it in 2004. I'd have to find it though at the moment. So as of right now, I usually just go to youtube to listen to these beautiful gems.


I think it might be time for a Mercy/Winter love thread!

Said I wasn't...

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The bold, all caps text is screaming pain at my eyes and ears.  I think I need to go see an ear, nose, throat doctor and have my eyes/ears checked.  You know, just to be sure.

Winter sounds like Radiohead lite, imo.  I can picture Thom Yorke singing in his reedy voice and Nigel Godrich behind the mixing boards.

"These are two of the greatest U2 songs OF ALL TIME!"  Is that a statement of fact or your personal opinion?  With the way you present it, I get the feeling it is a statement of fact that we all have to believe.  Personal opinions are what makes this forum work.  But a supposed statement of fact shoved down my throat doesn't sit well with me. Your expression of "opinions" is most certainly lacking something in its delivery.

I have hundreds of U2 live bootlegs. The band has always given consent for fans to obtain and trade product that they have not released or are about toe release and or attempting to make money off of.

If you have any problems with my posts, don't read them. Because I'm going to continue to express my opinion and highlight things that I want. You crying about it is not going to change that.

Thank you Wons.  You have just proven that you decide right from wrong for yourself based on what you think feels right, not on the law.  Therefore why don’t you drop the sanctimonious judgement on Spotify, which is legal and the band has given explicit approval for, or sitting at a concert, and let everybody decide for themselves, just like you do.


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Stop telling me what I can or can't say. I have an opinion and I have every right to express it. If I think someone is doing something that is disrespectful to the band, I'm going to say so. Spotify is not good for most artist compared to the previous system where everyone purchased music. I've proven that a million times over with the facts. I never said it was against the law to sit at a concert or get your music through spotify. I've said that sitting at a concert when your not ill or disabled is disrespectful to the band and that Spotify and other methods rob artist of much of the money they would have made from their product if the fans instead purchased the music.


I'm sorry you have become obsessed with me and are now reading all my post in effort to find some technicality to call me out on. Nice try with Mercy. Sorry it didn't work.

Best to follow Laoghaire’s advice Travis.  We’re just giving him what he wants.


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Sounds like your talking to yourself.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Sunchild on November 18, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
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Songs Of Ascent might exist more as a concept they wish to focus on, with many song ideas that exist from those sessions, hence why the title has been mentioned so many times, there is a concrete story-telling related to this album they wish to do. It is possible Mercy or Winter may never be on this album, but the concept is what is more probable to survive. That is something far more interesting to me too than those particular songs, except for Soon, that song really deserves to be 8 min sprawling epic that goes into unexpected directions. I would be open to the idea of U2's next reinvention to tackle jazz structures of songs in a way that Mercury Rev or Elbow has been doing often, completely unpredictable changes in rhythm, sound or time. They have been quite poppy lately, this would be quite opposite direction, that could include more prominent wind instruments on the album.

I feel this might be the next direction for U2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5M2ZVeXyQI

That Elbow track is magic, thanks for pointing it out.  I love Guy Garvey's English accented vocals.  The structure and composition of the song is excellent.  I also looked up the lyrics and I really like them.  My last exposure to Elbow was in the early 2000's with Cast Of Thousands.  Due to various reasons I haven't followed through on a lot of bands from that time period.  And I wish I had.  Elbow is a great example.

Not many people are aware of Mercury Rev either.  I love their pyschedelia music.  My last exposure to them was awhile ago, I think with '95s See You On The Other Side.  It looks like they have some long gaps in releasing albums.  If you have a specific recent track of theirs that you recommend, please post it up.  I would really like to hear it.

Thanks!

This is from their last album from 2015 The Light In You.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiWrjaR5Dkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpFmwbv4kDI

Mercury Rev is one of those bands that are consistently great to me, if not getting more fascinating artistically, they basically have no concrete style to maintain, they're not limited by style or an identity of the band, only by a musical honesty of them as a group, I value so much their approach to music as an art form, they create an otherwordly fairytale landscape that makes you feel so good that you don't wish to leave it. They very much remind me of Leonard Cohen. I'd appreciate if U2 went deeper into their folk roots and made a similar music in their later age.
 
Few days ago they just released the first single from their new album coming up, which is a tribute album to Bobbie Gentry, where they use only different singers for the songs.

https://www.spin.com/2018/11/mercury-rev-bobbie-gentry-tribute-sermon-margo-price/
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Post by: Tortuga on November 19, 2018, 07:37:31 AM
Thanks Sunchild for sharing this.  Kind of reminds me of a cross between Death Cab and Doves.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: MattD on November 21, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
What is so great about Winter? I admit, there’s a really nice riff from The Edge there and the instrumentation has the bones of a good tune but Bono ruins it with an awful cut and paste chorus.

There are times when restrained moodiness would always be preferable and this is one of them rather than a risible attempt at a reach for the sky chorus.
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Post by: wons on November 21, 2018, 05:04:46 PM
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What is so great about Winter? I admit, there’s a really nice riff from The Edge there and the instrumentation has the bones of a good tune but Bono ruins it with an awful cut and paste chorus.

There are times when restrained moodiness would always be preferable and this is one of them rather than a risible attempt at a reach for the sky chorus.

The Chorus is the best part, makes the song a total classic! Some of Bono's best singing on this song ever! Without that Chorus it would not be in my top 20 U2 songs of all time.

By the way, here are my top 20 U2 songs of all time:

01. Where The Streets Have No Name 5:38
02. New Years Day 5:38
03. Pride 3:48
04. With Or Without You 4:56
05. The Unforgettable Fire 4:55
06. Heartland 5:02
07. Miracle Drug 3:59
08. A Sort Of Homecoming 5:28
09. Ultraviolet Light 5:31
10. Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own 5:08
11. Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses 5:16
12. Acrobat 4:30
13. Mercy 6:32
14. Winter 6:19
15. One 4:36
16. Kite 4:23
17. Walk On 4:55
18. Tomorrow 4:39
19. Like A Song 4:48
20. Drowning Man 4:12
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Tortuga on November 25, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
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What is so great about Winter? I admit, there’s a really nice riff from The Edge there and the instrumentation has the bones of a good tune but Bono ruins it with an awful cut and paste chorus.

There are times when restrained moodiness would always be preferable and this is one of them rather than a risible attempt at a reach for the sky chorus.

I agree. For me, Winter, besides being a forgettable track, sounds too much like Coldplay’s Viva La Vida, which is, I suspect, why it was left off NLOTH.  I would not expect to see it included on a future album because it is old music that has already been released in other formats and it wasn’t very good to start with.  Really is this the best we can hope for on the next U2 album?  B-sides or rejects from previous efforts?


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 26, 2018, 01:45:40 PM
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What is so great about Winter? I admit, there’s a really nice riff from The Edge there and the instrumentation has the bones of a good tune but Bono ruins it with an awful cut and paste chorus.

There are times when restrained moodiness would always be preferable and this is one of them rather than a risible attempt at a reach for the sky chorus.

I agree. For me, Winter, besides being a forgettable track, sounds too much like Coldplay’s Viva La Vida, which is, I suspect, why it was left off NLOTH.  I would not expect to see it included on a future album because it is old music that has already been released in other formats and it wasn’t very good to start with.  Really is this the best we can hope for on the next U2 album?  B-sides or rejects from previous efforts?


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These songs are not B-sides or rejects. Mercy got a fair amount of play at concerts on the 360 tour. U2 don't play rejected songs in concert and they rarely play B-sides.


As for Winter, Brian Eno said it was the best thing U2 had done for No Line On The Horizon and they were CRAZY to leave it off the album.


Both Mercy and Winter are not in their final forms yet, so its not going to be some carbon copy of what you have heard. An album with both of those songs, two of the best songs U2 have ever written or recorded, on an album with songs in similar style would have the potential of being the best album U2 ever put together. The band have mentioned that Mercy is still being worked on and will be on a future U2 album release. I think the same is likely for Winter too.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 26, 2018, 06:52:13 PM
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What is so great about Winter? I admit, there’s a really nice riff from The Edge there and the instrumentation has the bones of a good tune but Bono ruins it with an awful cut and paste chorus.

There are times when restrained moodiness would always be preferable and this is one of them rather than a risible attempt at a reach for the sky chorus.

I agree. For me, Winter, besides being a forgettable track, sounds too much like Coldplay’s Viva La Vida, which is, I suspect, why it was left off NLOTH.  I would not expect to see it included on a future album because it is old music that has already been released in other formats and it wasn’t very good to start with.  Really is this the best we can hope for on the next U2 album?  B-sides or rejects from previous efforts?


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These songs are not B-sides or rejects. Mercy got a fair amount of play at concerts on the 360 tour. U2 don't play rejected songs in concert and they rarely play B-sides.


As for Winter, Brian Eno said it was the best thing U2 had done for No Line On The Horizon and they were CRAZY to leave it off the album.


Both Mercy and Winter are not in their final forms yet, so its not going to be some carbon copy of what you have heard. An album with both of those songs, two of the best songs U2 have ever written or recorded, on an album with songs in similar style would have the potential of being the best album U2 ever put together. The band have mentioned that Mercy is still being worked on and will be on a future U2 album release. I think the same is likely for Winter too.
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Post by: Johnny Feathers on November 27, 2018, 05:23:51 PM
Isn’t a song that was rejected from being on an album the literal definition of a “reject”?


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Post by: wons on November 27, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
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Isn’t a song that was rejected from being on an album the literal definition of a “reject”?


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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.
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Post by: Tortuga on November 27, 2018, 11:44:21 PM
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Isn’t a song that was rejected from being on an album the literal definition of a “reject”?


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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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Post by: u2music on November 28, 2018, 05:57:39 AM
But... But... Winter and Mercy are the greatest U2 songs evah.  It's true because I said so.
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Post by: singnomore on November 28, 2018, 06:22:26 AM
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But... But... Winter and Mercy are the greatest U2 songs evah.  It's true because I said so.

Must be true then  8)
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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
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Post by: wons on November 28, 2018, 09:41:53 AM
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But... But... Winter and Mercy are the greatest U2 songs evah.  It's true because I said so.

Sorry my love for two U2 songs has so deeply upset you.
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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
I can create any album experience I want.  I just create a playlist.  The wonders of modern technology!


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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
I can create any album experience I want.  I just create a playlist.  The wonders of modern technology!


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Sure, but it won't be U2's next album or Songs of Ascent if its not the next album. An album by an artist is a work of art. From the songs selected for the album to the order they appear on the album. Its designed to be listened from start to finish in that order. That is something that most people born after 1980 or 1990 don't understand. Its an art that less people listen to and appreciate today partly because of the "wonders of modern technology".
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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
I can create any album experience I want.  I just create a playlist.  The wonders of modern technology!


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Sure, but it won't be U2's next album or Songs of Ascent if its not the next album. An album by an artist is a work of art. From the songs selected for the album to the order they appear on the album. Its designed to be listened from start to finish in that order. That is something that most people born after 1980 or 1990 don't understand. Its an art that less people listen to and appreciate today partly because of the "wonders of modern technology".
I was born before 1980 and I am well aware of the concept of “the album” as a total work of art.  I don’t see either of these tracks being shoehorned onto an album of new songs as contributing to that ethos.  Again, I get that you have a different opinion and I hope you get what you want.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on November 28, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
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Isn’t a song that was rejected from being on an album the literal definition of a “reject”?


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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
I can create any album experience I want.  I just create a playlist.  The wonders of modern technology!


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Sure, but it won't be U2's next album or Songs of Ascent if its not the next album. An album by an artist is a work of art. From the songs selected for the album to the order they appear on the album. Its designed to be listened from start to finish in that order. That is something that most people born after 1980 or 1990 don't understand. Its an art that less people listen to and appreciate today partly because of the "wonders of modern technology".
  I don’t see either of these tracks being shoehorned onto an album of new songs as contributing to that ethos. 


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Damn, if you feel that strongly about it, you must hate those songs. My thinking is that any album Winter and Mercy are apart of in the future would be apart of a collection of songs that would have a somewhat similar style and feel.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: Tortuga on November 28, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
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Isn’t a song that was rejected from being on an album the literal definition of a “reject”?


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Its not a rejection as in the song is poor etc. It had more to do with U2 being concerned about how the songs mixed with the others on the album. Still, Brian Eno says they were crazy not to have Winter on No Line On The Horizon.

Winter and Mercy, two of U2's greatest songs so far without a home. I think that home is going to be Songs Of Ascent.

Both of them already have a home on a CD, my hard drive, and my phone.  Being released again on a new album will add absolutely nothing for me.  But I get that it is somehow important for you and that’s fine.  I wish you luck in that dream coming true.


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You don't have the final versions of these songs mixed in with the other songs on Songs Of Ascent. If you are still an album listener, as opposed to just listening to individual songs, where those songs are placed on an album and which songs they come after and before can change the experience of listening to them.
I can create any album experience I want.  I just create a playlist.  The wonders of modern technology!


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Sure, but it won't be U2's next album or Songs of Ascent if its not the next album. An album by an artist is a work of art. From the songs selected for the album to the order they appear on the album. Its designed to be listened from start to finish in that order. That is something that most people born after 1980 or 1990 don't understand. Its an art that less people listen to and appreciate today partly because of the "wonders of modern technology".
  I don’t see either of these tracks being shoehorned onto an album of new songs as contributing to that ethos. 


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Damn, if you feel that strongly about it, you must hate those songs. My thinking is that any album Winter and Mercy are apart of in the future would be apart of a collection of songs that would have a somewhat similar style and feel.
I don’t understand your logic but this really doesn’t matter so I’m out.


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Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: U2Tim on February 11, 2019, 04:54:00 AM
I think there will be another album...but it’ll probably be three years or something.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: wons on March 30, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
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I think there will be another album...but it’ll probably be three years or something.

Probably late 2021 or early 2022.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 73October on April 01, 2019, 11:23:08 AM
u2songs have quoted a source saying that after the rumoured late 2019 Asia/Oceania tour, they will go into the studio in 2020.  Expect an album any time from late 2020 onwards?
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Post by: Argo on June 10, 2019, 11:18:30 PM
I'd wager a lot of money that there is no new album until November/Xmas 2021 at the earliest. If they go into the studio early 2020, it will take at least 18 months unless they have a massive change of approach and vow just to lay stuff down quickly and move to the next song. But they wont.
Title: Re: "I assume there’ll be another album" Larry Mullen says
Post by: 73October on June 12, 2019, 02:23:54 AM
I wish U2 would treat doing an album like an exam (having just sat some):

Write and rehearse, rehearse, rehearse.  Go into the studio and lay down the tracks.  Don't re-do the tracks, that's like going back and re-doing the question  - and getting it wrong because it was right in the first place and there was no need to doubt it.