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Title: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: fodiktet on December 04, 2018, 01:34:06 AM
I wonder this because SOI and NLOTH seem to be the band's most interesting and adventurous albums since the 90's (HTDAAB and SOE, ATYCLB are safe sounding
 and less interesting to me).

I've come across quite a few people who adore 90's U2 that also think that NLOTH and SOI are the band's best albums of the 21st century. So this seems to support my claim.

I also agree with this opinion, I myself think they are the 2 best albums since Pop.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: TongueInMyEar on December 04, 2018, 02:25:18 AM
Not for me. I don't dislike NLOTH or SOI but they are down near the bottom of my U2 list, whereas Pop and Zooropa are top half, as are ATYCLB and SOE.

I can hear NLOTH was an attempt at a more adventurous route again, but as many say the middle trio of songs spoil it. Even though I've grown to enjoy the individual songs they're just out of place with the vibe of the rest of the album. I suspect if they'd stuck with that overall sound it would be higher on my list (I really love title track, Fez, MOS, Cedars, White as Snow and Breathe).
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Rasmus on December 04, 2018, 06:17:46 AM
I can see the logic in your argument but my personal perspective is a bit different.

I love Pop and Zooropa and they are both definetly top 5 U2 albums for me, and can even battle in the top 3. Regarding NLOTH it is the lowest scoring on my list of U2 albums. Not because I dont like the experimentation on the album but because it stands for me as the ultimate example of an album with wasted potential. Unlike the U2 on Pop and Zooropa, the U2 on NLOTH didnt have the confidence (or desire?) to go all the way. Songs like Cedars and the best one, Fez, show the potential that the album had if U2 had made their "African" album and gone all the way. Instead what we have is a schizophrenic album that is both experimental and extremely safe - that many songs are also quite weak in my opinion doesnt help. If U2 had the guts that they had in the 90's I believe NLOTH could have been great. Regarding SOI it is my favorite album from them in since Pop. This is mostly based on the second half of the album with great songs like RBW, TIWYCRMN, SLAB and The Troubles. I dont see it as a masterpiece and it has some clunkers but overall it is a good and somewhat underrated album in my opinion.

Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: BONO31 on December 04, 2018, 06:30:58 AM
I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: fodiktet on December 04, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
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Regarding SOI it is my favorite album from them in since Pop. This is mostly based on the second half of the album with great songs like RBW, TIWYCRMN, SLAB and The Troubles.

Agree, for me the second half is their strongest since Achtung Baby 
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: fodiktet on December 04, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.   
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 04, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
Pop, Zooropa, SOI, and SOE are probably my bottom 4 U2 albums so I donít think it works with me.  I am a fan of NLOTH, I just shorten and leave out the three that donít belong.  The rest of it is good enough to make it good.  Quality over quantity.


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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Argo on December 04, 2018, 06:04:20 PM
Hmmm, interesting question. Pop is top 3 for me and SOI probably 4th. Zooropa is too inconsistent (I just don't rate Wanderer, Babyface, Daddy's Gonna Pay at all). NLOTH is probably similarly inconsistent mainly because they put the boring songs on it (SUC, Boots, Crazy) rather than pushing the more innovative theme that comes through in Fez, MOS, and others but overall, I do like it.

So, Pop and SOI definitely go hand in hand as top material, whilst Zooropa and NLOTH go hand in hand for inconsistent brilliance (although it is probably the more adventurous songs off Zooropa and the less adventurous songs off NLOTH that i don't like.

I also agree with the comment about SOE being bland and forced. I still listen to it and like some of the songs but it has aged very quickly with me.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 04, 2018, 07:03:32 PM
I love NLOTH, but for me it goes more hand in hand with SOE.  I just think that SOE is a more consistent effort with some attempts at new and different territory.  I would compare NLOTH to TUF or October in its atmospheric moments and spiritual lyrics.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: BONO31 on December 05, 2018, 12:57:38 AM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.
My God, "The Blackout" especially is the most experimental song of the two albums, and you don't like it! You were talking about the 90s, the most experimental part of the band history, and you feel like "The Blackout" is over-produced!

Can you hear the dinosaur on the song? Can you hear the weight of the dinosaur steps through Adam's bassline? Can you hear the dinosaur's shouting through the edge's guitar? Can you hear U2 embrassing their destiny as a dinosaur band? It's brilliant in my ears!!!

You also mentionned the fact U2 want to please the kids, I heard those critics by the past when the band released "Pop" and "Achtung Baby". I was a kid when I became a U2 fan, and I'm glad the band were making radio hits, so I had the chance to discover them. Now, I'm 38, and I still like and admire the fact U2 want to sound fresh and modern.
 
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 06:30:23 AM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.
My God, "The Blackout" especially is the most experimental song of the two albums, and you don't like it! You were talking about the 90s, the most experimental part of the band history, and you feel like "The Blackout" is over-produced!

Can you hear the dinosaur on the song? Can you hear the weight of the dinosaur steps through Adam's bassline? Can you hear the dinosaur's shouting through the edge's guitar? Can you hear U2 embrassing their destiny as a dinosaur band? It's brilliant in my ears!!!

You also mentionned the fact U2 want to please the kids, I heard those critics by the past when the band released "Pop" and "Achtung Baby". I was a kid when I became a U2 fan, and I'm glad the band were making radio hits, so I had the chance to discover them. Now, I'm 38, and I still like and admire the fact U2 want to sound fresh and modern.

Nothing wrong with sounding fresh and modern.  Thatís exactly how U2 sounded on the JT.  They didnít sound like anything else on the radio.  SOE sounds like a collage of everything else on the radio.

Vocoder/autotune effect
Obligatory guest rapper
Trite last minute shoe-horned in Trump comments
Trite call-backs to bandís own past


I am a dedicated U2 fan but SOE just was a real disappointment for me.  The sound and production are one thing but thatís a minor issue.  The real problem for me is that the lyrics are the same lyrics heís been writing since ATYCLB (excepting a break for NLOTH) and the tunes are repetitive and boring.  Its not so much that its bad as it is that they are in a rut and Iím bored with it.  They kept me interested for thirty years.  Thatís more than most other bands.  But Iím still hoping there is more to come.





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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: BONO31 on December 05, 2018, 07:32:52 AM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.
My God, "The Blackout" especially is the most experimental song of the two albums, and you don't like it! You were talking about the 90s, the most experimental part of the band history, and you feel like "The Blackout" is over-produced!

Can you hear the dinosaur on the song? Can you hear the weight of the dinosaur steps through Adam's bassline? Can you hear the dinosaur's shouting through the edge's guitar? Can you hear U2 embrassing their destiny as a dinosaur band? It's brilliant in my ears!!!

You also mentionned the fact U2 want to please the kids, I heard those critics by the past when the band released "Pop" and "Achtung Baby". I was a kid when I became a U2 fan, and I'm glad the band were making radio hits, so I had the chance to discover them. Now, I'm 38, and I still like and admire the fact U2 want to sound fresh and modern.

Nothing wrong with sounding fresh and modern.  Thatís exactly how U2 sounded on the JT.  They didnít sound like anything else on the radio.  SOE sounds like a collage of everything else on the radio.

Vocoder/autotune effect
Obligatory guest rapper
Trite last minute shoe-horned in Trump comments
Trite call-backs to bandís own past


I am a dedicated U2 fan but SOE just was a real disappointment for me.  The sound and production are one thing but thatís a minor issue.  The real problem for me is that the lyrics are the same lyrics heís been writing since ATYCLB (excepting a break for NLOTH) and the tunes are repetitive and boring.  Its not so much that its bad as it is that they are in a rut and Iím bored with it.  They kept me interested for thirty years.  Thatís more than most other bands.  But Iím still hoping there is more to come.





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I can totally understand that you donít like SOE.
In fact, itís a matter of taste!
We feel the music first, and then, analyse why we like it or not.
So, Iím not trying to convince anyone that Experience is a masterpiece,
BUT the arguments about the lyrics being the same for years are simply not true:
ę I have everything but I feel like nothing at all Ľ
ę I shouldn't be there cause I should be dead Ľ
ę Sometimes I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance Ľ
Are some very direct and honest lyrics never heard before from our favorite band.

Now, once again, youíre disappointed by SOE
And I understand it very well as I felt the same thing about SOI,
youíre waiting for something more...
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 12:36:21 PM

ę I have everything but I feel like nothing at all Ľ

ďIím already gone, felt that way all alongĒ....I could come up with more.  Its a pretty vague lyric.

These two:

ę I shouldn't be there cause I should be dead Ľ

ę Sometimes I canít believe my existence
See myself from a distance Ľ

I interpret as reflections on mortality, which has been a recurring topic many times on U2 albums from Boy to SOE.  Granted, early thoughts were focused on loss of others, but by the time of ATYCLB (Kite, One Step Closer) the focus had shifted to self mortality.  This was twenty years ago!  All this talk of Bonoís brush with death and this album being some kind of brutally earth-shaking honest reflection of that is overdone, IMHO.  Most of us start contemplating our own mortality as adults with the death of our elderly parents, which you saw on ATYCLB with the illness of his dad and contemplation that he wasnít going to be around much longer.

I just canít see any of SOI or SOE as new fresh themes we havenít heard before.  Mortality is not a new theme for U2.  Just off the top of my head:

Tomorrow
October
Kite
One Step Closer
Iris

And Iím not saying nothing can ever be said again.  My point is there is nothing really new in the music OR the lyrics on SOI or SOE and I am hungry for them to dream it all up again.


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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 05, 2018, 03:32:48 PM
The lyrics on SOE felt quite personal to me.  A very up-front and honest look at mortality and grace.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
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The lyrics on SOE felt quite personal to me.  A very up-front and honest look at mortality and grace.
Can one of you explain what you mean by ďhonestĒ in this context?  We all know weíre all going to die.  Itís not something we hide or try to convince ourselves its not true.  Its undeniable.  Do you mean being honest about how he feels about dying?  Is that something people are normally dishonest about?  I mean, I think for the most part we all think it sucks.  At best its a release from the sh**ty condition we all get in with age.  I donít know anyone that has ever told me they are looking forward to dying, outside of someone suffering from illness or grief.  What is it that you feel Bono is being honest about that is something unique enough that you find it inspiring?  Or do you just mean openly confronting it?  Iíve been doing that for years.  Is that why I donít ďgetĒ SOE?  Is that why U2ís earlier exploration of mortality didnít bore me but this one does?  Am I at a point where Iíve come to terms with death five albums ago and some of you are just now really contemplating it? (Because youíre younger or just never thought about it.). To me this is all reruns but to others it seems like its all something new. 


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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: laoghaire on December 05, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
He's honest about being a bigmouth. (Several times).

He's honest about his arrival into dinosaur status.

He's honest about not being home enough.

He's honest about letting stuff go to his head.

He's honest about his desire for worldly things.

He's honest that he has a villa with a pleasant view on the same Mediterranean that people are dying on/in.

He's honest about being scared.

He's honest that a lot of it is just an act.

He's honest about being mad at God.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
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He's honest about being a bigmouth. (Several times).

He's honest about his arrival into dinosaur status.

He's honest about not being home enough.

He's honest about letting stuff go to his head.

He's honest about his desire for worldly things.

He's honest that he has a villa with a pleasant view on the same Mediterranean that people are dying on/in.

He's honest about being scared.

He's honest that a lot of it is just an act.

He's honest about being mad at God.
So now Iím back where we started.  Heís been being honest about all these things for the last 30+ years.  The same things.  SOE is not challenging me with new ways to think of things.  Its basically just Bono talking about Bono and what a humble guy he is and how he almost died.

Donít let me bug Ďya.  I just donít get it and Iím really curious what is yíall find compelling about these lyrics.


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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: laoghaire on December 05, 2018, 08:19:30 PM
All right, quote me chapter and verse for each of those. I'll give you a couple, like being angry with God and being scared. But when did he say he was now a dinosaur or that he sees the staggering gap between his South of France vacations and the struggle for survival others face? When did he admit his act or that he's a bigmouth?

Honestly I don't really care anyway because struggles with God and humanity, fierce political stances on the side of love, expressions of optimism in the face of adversity, and musings on non-romantic relationships is what I signed up for. Why is it only a problem now? As you say, all the albums cover that, so why weren't you sick of it by their sixth?

And why demand something no artist does? Artists can and do stretch their wings but they are all trying to say a core set of things, whether it was Degas and a particular human form of grace, or Benjamin Franklin and his strivings to be a disciplined and moral person in thought and action, or Roger Waters and his fight against exploitation - these are all their body of work, their oerve. They craft it and hone it. When the message resonates with people they have a following. I'm not interested in Bono's golf game, don't want lovey-dovey crap, don't want advice on how to pick up babes, and I don't want him to shut up about the world or even to stop pi**ing people off.

That's Bono, man.
Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 09:02:02 PM
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All right, quote me chapter and verse for each of those. I'll give you a couple, like being angry with God and being scared. But when did he say he was now a dinosaur or that he sees the staggering gap between his South of France vacations and the struggle for survival others face? When did he admit his act or that he's a bigmouth?

Honestly I don't really care anyway because struggles with God and humanity, fierce political stances on the side of love, expressions of optimism in the face of adversity, and musings on non-romantic relationships is what I signed up for. Why is it only a problem now? As you say, all the albums cover that, so why weren't you sick of it by their sixth?

And why demand something no artist does? Artists can and do stretch their wings but they are all trying to say a core set of things, whether it was Degas and a particular human form of grace, or Benjamin Franklin and his strivings to be a disciplined and moral person in thought and action, or Roger Waters and his fight against exploitation - these are all their body of work, their oerve. They craft it and hone it. When the message resonates with people they have a following. I'm not interested in Bono's golf game, don't want lovey-dovey crap, don't want advice on how to pick up babes, and I don't want him to shut up about the world or even to stop pi**ing people off.

That's Bono, man.
So I admit, and I think Iíve said it before, that maybe I just finally got bored with U2.  I canít deny that it might be that simple.  But yeah ALL of this heís said before.  For years heís talked about meglomania and his huge ego and needing the cheers of 30k people every night and ďstand up to rockstars and be careful of small men with big ideas.Ē

France vacation home?  How about ďyou get so guilty got so much for so little and then you learn to like the way it feelsĒ.   Playboy Mansion...similar theme.

Angry with God?  Read his preface to the Psalms from 20 years ago.  Ever hear Wake Up Deadman from Pop?  ďJesus, were you just around the corner, did you think to try and warn her, or were you working on something new.Ē  ďJesus can you take the time to throw a drowning man a line?Ē  ďJesus in the song you wrote, the lines are sticking in my throatĒ.

A bajillion interviews about his big mouth....geez, maybe I just way overexposed myself to U2.  I think that is it.  Didnít you say you took a break and missed several albums?  Is that the difference?  Is it that simple?

Okay the dinosaur thing is new but thatís not so much honesty, just obvious.  We all know heís pushing 60.  Big deal, we all get old....heís awful ďageistĒ donít you think (ha, couldnít resist that).


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Title: Re: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: laoghaire on December 05, 2018, 09:03:18 PM
I had to come back to the "humble guy" part because lol. I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not (my money is on Yes) but either way, I can't say he's humble... and yet I can't say he hasn't made a very impressive and sincere effort toward it.

80s Bono
Filled with self doubt yet a tanker truckload of confidence and dare I say arrogance to get up on stage and fight and bleed. Out of the box, Bono's ambition and hubris is significant. He boxes out of his weight class until he finally makes weight at JT. Out of the box, Bono is not humble. By R&H he has reached Maximum Ego and starts to float away.

90s Bono
Still has his heart on his sleeve but armors it with leather and Elvis grease. Maximum Ego retained and humility nowhere in sight, but he tries for the first time to not take himself quite so seriously. Required level for next step.

00s Bono
Maximum Ego initially entirely intact but by end of decade ego is 1% smaller. While 90s Bono didn't take the not taking himself too seriously too seriously, 00s Bono took it a little more seriously. (PM me with complaints about that sentence and I'll make sure the complaints get all the attention they deserve). Bono becomes less a cartoon of himself. Humility still elusive.

10s Bono
Bono Humility Expansion Pack is installed sometime this decade, with previous decades allowing him to level up to the point that he wants to. Does it come naturally to him? Not really. Is it authentic? Well, some people say faith is a choice. I think humility might be similar. You prioritize it. You practice it. You train your thought that way and remind yourself to be grateful.

So maybe the new aspect you are looking for is this exploration of humility, as foreign as it may be for him. You may doubt his authenticity, but ask yourself, do you think he's really trying? Is he sincere in his efforts, at least, even if he doesn't wear it naturally?

I'm running on days of crap sleep and I'll probably be horrified by this jumble in the morning.
Title: Does liking Pop and Zooropa go hand in hand with liking SOI and NLOTH?
Post by: Tortuga on December 05, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
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I had to come back to the "humble guy" part because lol. I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not (my money is on Yes) but either way, I can't say he's humble... and yet I can't say he hasn't made a very impressive and sincere effort toward it.

80s Bono
Filled with self doubt yet a tanker truckload of confidence and dare I say arrogance to get up on stage and fight and bleed. Out of the box, Bono's ambition and hubris is significant. He boxes out of his weight class until he finally makes weight at JT. Out of the box, Bono is not humble. By R&H he has reached Maximum Ego and starts to float away.

90s Bono
Still has his heart on his sleeve but armors it with leather and Elvis grease. Maximum Ego retained and humility nowhere in sight, but he tries for the first time to not take himself quite so seriously. Required level for next step.

00s Bono
Maximum Ego initially entirely intact but by end of decade ego is 1% smaller. While 90s Bono didn't take the not taking himself too seriously too seriously, 00s Bono took it a little more seriously. (PM me with complaints about that sentence and I'll make sure the complaints get all the attention they deserve). Bono becomes less a cartoon of himself. Humility still elusive.

10s Bono
Bono Humility Expansion Pack is installed sometime this decade, with previous decades allowing him to level up to the point that he wants to. Does it come naturally to him? Not really. Is it authentic? Well, some people say faith is a choice. I think humility might be similar. You prioritize it. You practice it. You train your thought that way and remind yourself to be grateful.

So maybe the new aspect you are looking for is this exploration of humility, as foreign as it may be for him. You may doubt his authenticity, but ask yourself, do you think he's really trying? Is he sincere in his efforts, at least, even if he doesn't wear it naturally?

I'm running on days of crap sleep and I'll probably be horrified by this jumble in the morning.
No, I think he is humble and always has been.  Heís playing a role with the rockstar thing.  I do think heís authentic.  Not perfect obviously, but authentic.

Iím not interested in hearing anything more about Bono from Bono.  I think heís very into self-reflection and thatís whatís coming out...and out...and out. 

As a patron of his art, Iím looking for the kind of philosophical and spiritual exploration we got on Pop and NLOTH or the impressionist imagery we got on UF.  Stick a fork in the autobiographical.  Its done.


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Post by: BONO31 on December 06, 2018, 12:52:08 AM
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Okay the dinosaur thing is new but thatís not so much honesty, just obvious.  We all know heís pushing 60.  Big deal, we all get old....heís awful ďageistĒ donít you think (ha, couldnít resist that).


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But all the album is about the dinosaur thing, the contradiction between being a rockstar and growing old
There's a lot of new themes on "Songs of Experience:
- the contradiction between being a rockstar and growing old (The Blackout/The Showman/The little things...)
- legacy to the next generation (Get out of your own way/Love is bigger than anything in its way/13/American Soul...)
- near death experience (Lights of Home/Love is all we have left...)
- frustration and incapacity due to getting older (Showman/Summer of Love/Get out of your own way/Love is Bigger than anything in its way/13...)

And I'm sure there're lot more new themes ;)
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Post by: Tortuga on December 06, 2018, 05:51:46 AM
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Okay the dinosaur thing is new but thatís not so much honesty, just obvious.  We all know heís pushing 60.  Big deal, we all get old....heís awful ďageistĒ donít you think (ha, couldnít resist that).


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But all the album is about the dinosaur thing, the contradiction between being a rockstar and growing old
There's a lot of new themes on "Songs of Experience:
- the contradiction between being a rockstar and growing old (The Blackout/The Showman/The little things...)
- legacy to the next generation (Get out of your own way/Love is bigger than anything in its way/13/American Soul...)
- near death experience (Lights of Home/Love is all we have left...)
- frustration and incapacity due to getting older (Showman/Summer of Love/Get out of your own way/Love is Bigger than anything in its way/13...)

And I'm sure there're lot more new themes ;)

Thatís really all one theme.  Death and aging.  I just donít feel like any of that is new.  Death is certainly not new.  Legacy and the new generation was covered on ATYCLB (ďthe last of the rock stars, when hip hop drove the big carsĒ).  Even the title track of ATYCLB and the lyrics of Walk On were informed by contemplation of eventual death.  One Step Closer dealt with aging and decline and upcoming death:

ďI can't go forward, I can't turn back
Can't see the future
It's getting away from me
I just watch the tail lights glowingĒ

The title came from a conversation with Noel Gallagher telling Bono that his  dad was one step closer to knowing about God....that he would know at death.

I guess if what youíre saying is we havenít had a whole album about death and decline then thatís right.  (Although I donít think thatís the whole SOE album.) And its definitely fair to say that its a topic that bores me, whether they had barely touched on it or already done it to death (pun!).


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Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 06, 2018, 05:03:37 PM
I think you're probably just sick of U2, in which case it may be time to turn to another artist who currently speaks to you.
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Post by: apoed on December 06, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
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Thatís really all one theme.  Death and aging.  I just donít feel like any of that is new.  Death is certainly not new.  Legacy and the new generation was covered on ATYCLB (ďthe last of the rock stars, when hip hop drove the big carsĒ).  Even the title track of ATYCLB and the lyrics of Walk On were informed by contemplation of eventual death.  One Step Closer dealt with aging and decline and upcoming death:

I agree that U2 has explored the theme of mortality in a lot of their earlier works, but in the past, I feel like it was an exploration guided by the death of another (Bono's mother in the early years and his father in the 2000s).  I feel like SOE was the first album where you can clearly see that he's thinking about his own death, not in an almost abstract sense like in "A Day Without Me", but as something that could literally happen to him as he's writing the lyrics of the album.  _That_ is different from anything they've done before, and to me is very authentic, as it's believable that a 55+ year-old man with a near-death experience under his belt would naturally be thinking about this kind of thing.  And as someone who is myself now in his 40s with children of his own, this kind of rumination about legacy and so forth really resonates with me too, because I'm beginning to understand on a gut level that I'm not going to be around forever, either.  Sure, even at the age of 7, I knew I was going to die someday, but when you're young, you kind of brush it off to the side and think, "Well, I still don't have to worry about that for a little while," and that feeling can literally last for a few decades.  But once you hit middle age or older, death starts to seem more immediate, so you can't help but feel differently about it, even if you've considered the topic in the past. 

That's my two cents, anyway...
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Post by: Tortuga on December 06, 2018, 08:18:03 PM
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I think you're probably just sick of U2, in which case it may be time to turn to another artist who currently speaks to you.
I think that is mostly the case but I also think if they would change gears they could be interesting to me again.


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Post by: Tortuga on December 06, 2018, 08:22:27 PM
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Thatís really all one theme.  Death and aging.  I just donít feel like any of that is new.  Death is certainly not new.  Legacy and the new generation was covered on ATYCLB (ďthe last of the rock stars, when hip hop drove the big carsĒ).  Even the title track of ATYCLB and the lyrics of Walk On were informed by contemplation of eventual death.  One Step Closer dealt with aging and decline and upcoming death:

I agree that U2 has explored the theme of mortality in a lot of their earlier works, but in the past, I feel like it was an exploration guided by the death of another (Bono's mother in the early years and his father in the 2000s).  I feel like SOE was the first album where you can clearly see that he's thinking about his own death, not in an almost abstract sense like in "A Day Without Me", but as something that could literally happen to him as he's writing the lyrics of the album.  _That_ is different from anything they've done before, and to me is very authentic, as it's believable that a 55+ year-old man with a near-death experience under his belt would naturally be thinking about this kind of thing.  And as someone who is myself now in his 40s with children of his own, this kind of rumination about legacy and so forth really resonates with me too, because I'm beginning to understand on a gut level that I'm not going to be around forever, either.  Sure, even at the age of 7, I knew I was going to die someday, but when you're young, you kind of brush it off to the side and think, "Well, I still don't have to worry about that for a little while," and that feeling can literally last for a few decades.  But once you hit middle age or older, death starts to seem more immediate, so you can't help but feel differently about it, even if you've considered the topic in the past. 

That's my two cents, anyway...
I can relate.  This was a process I went through around the time of Pop and ATYCLB, and I felt they were addressing those feelings.  I welcomed it then, probably the way many are seeing SOE.


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Post by: summerholly on December 07, 2018, 06:47:57 PM
I find the latest U2 music leave me feeling quite depressed.  To be honest I prefer not to think about my death or explore Bono's feeling on his death, aging or current relationship with god or whatever.  I am in my fifties and have elderly failing parents and sick friends and I actually don't want to dwell on this stuff.  I try and avoid too much self reflection because it scares me lol.  I know Bono is an artist and draws on his experiences but at this point in my life they depress me for some reason. I viewed that sort of theme in a different context when I was younger but now I am living it I don't want more of it.  This has become much more apparent in the last 5 years.  I now understand why my mother didn't want to watch certain TV programs that I used to find interesting.

I also find the actual music uninteresting and I personally can't really distinguish it any more as uniquely U2.

However U2 old music still speaks to me in volumes for some intangible reason and I never get tired of the the old Edge and that echoing chiming guitar, it makes my heart drop every time I hear it ringing through the old music and you can feel Bono's energy shining through.  I also still have a great deal of respect for Bono as I recognise him to be a very genuine person, the band as well.

So I have turned to many artists over my life but with U2 the old music still speaks to me even if the new doesn't.   Maybe because the music also contains echos of the past.
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 07, 2018, 08:08:45 PM
I think the new music certainly does dwell on mortality but not so much in a depressing way.  Rather, it's like a transcendence of mortality, as in for example "Lights of Home" in which the narrator finds a spiritual home that he's been looking for for a very long time.
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Post by: summerholly on December 07, 2018, 09:09:59 PM
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I think the new music certainly does dwell on mortality but not so much in a depressing way.  Rather, it's like a transcendence of mortality, as in for example "Lights of Home" in which the narrator finds a spiritual home that he's been looking for for a very long time.

That is where I diverge.  Bono has always been on a journey exploring that spiritual awareness with life and God and his brushes with mortality and his age have probably resulted in further awareness for him in looking for that transcendence of mortality and perhaps being closer to it than he ever has and embracing it in his lyrics.  My Christian friends say to me that finding that awareness and closeness with God is what gives them strength through life although most of them haven't grappled and searched and questioned quite as much as Bono.   

I have also been on a journey with spirituality. I think most of us are regardless of our beliefs, but mine has reached very different conclusions to Bono so I don't know what it is like to think like he does in that context. I just think that death is most likely where it ends so my journey takes me up to that point but not beyond so mortality is not something I really like to dwell on anymore.  Legacy is an interesting one because when I think about my grandparents who are long dead I feel sad that their memory will die with me and my sister although their genes will flow down the generations.   

It is interesting how their music speaks to us all so differently.  I can understand how the latest music and lyrics resonate strongly with many people but it doesn't with me so much.
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Post by: u2music on December 08, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
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I find the latest U2 music leave me feeling quite depressed.  To be honest I prefer not to think about my death or explore Bono's feeling on his death, aging or current relationship with god or whatever.  I am in my fifties and have elderly failing parents and sick friends and I actually don't want to dwell on this stuff.  I try and avoid too much self reflection because it scares me lol.  I know Bono is an artist and draws on his experiences but at this point in my life they depress me for some reason. I viewed that sort of theme in a different context when I was younger but now I am living it I don't want more of it.  This has become much more apparent in the last 5 years.  I now understand why my mother didn't want to watch certain TV programs that I used to find interesting.

I also find the actual music uninteresting and I personally can't really distinguish it any more as uniquely U2.

However U2 old music still speaks to me in volumes for some intangible reason and I never get tired of the the old Edge and that echoing chiming guitar, it makes my heart drop every time I hear it ringing through the old music and you can feel Bono's energy shining through.  I also still have a great deal of respect for Bono as I recognise him to be a very genuine person, the band as well.

So I have turned to many artists over my life but with U2 the old music still speaks to me even if the new doesn't.   Maybe because the music also contains echos of the past.

Very well said, thank you!  I can't do justice to your words but will add a couple small thoughts of mine.

I'm in my late 50's and am experiencing everything about death regarding my Mother.  I don't need U2 to remind me of that.  The music depresses me too and to me it is so bland.  There is nothing to grasp on.  And the music is so unlike U2.  It's pitiful really.   

Like you, I fall back to U2's past for something meaningful.  I miss the "echoing chiming" Edge guitar work and the music with meaningful themes.  I think the producers of these last two albums, took the guitar out of Edge's hands.  I believe in Bono and the group.  I just hope they can turn it around the next time and make the music memorable again.

Not much more I can add to your post.  You summed up how I feel excellently!
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 08, 2018, 02:46:45 PM
Well, if I believed death was a concrete door instead of a window I guess I'd find the constant references to mortality depressing too.  But I don't.  I don't think your grandparents legacy ends w/ you and your sister.  They planted seeds that will impact your children, your children's children, etc.  Then there is also the community of saints or cloud of witnesses or whatever you want to call it who stand as silent witnesses.  I just happen to believe that our choices, our actions, our love reverberates and touches the world in many ways that are perhaps unseen but nevertheless important.
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Post by: BlueSquirrel on December 09, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
U2music, I suppose you're right in the sense that we don't appreciate albums the same way according to our own journeys through life.
And it's true that a lot of themes that are in SOE were already present on All that you can't leave behind, Pop and NLOTH (esp. introspection and mortality...).
BTW, even after all these years, listening to "Kite" can make my eyes water as it brings back memories of lost ones (although I do find some strange solace in it as well).
And I found some of the lyrics on SOE seemingly either worrying (about looming death) or a bit naive (ex. American Soul / The Blackout) although I liked the musical energy of those tracks.
The nod to music from the 70s in SOI/SOE (70s -inspired guitar work as on Lights of home or California or Summer of love) seemed to me a bit less original at first (could have been from another band) but then I grew to like it.
I do miss the chiming/echoing vibe though, and I miss the "build-up towards a musical climax" that was contained in a lot of U2 songs of the past - although some of the songs still have it (end of Lights of home or Little Things...). Songs such as Summer of love or You're the best thing about me felt more repetitive.
Anyway I suppose I fit the description of people who did like Pop, Zooropa, NLOTH and SOI as well and I had the feeling that they were underrated (although I wasn't crazy about every track on them and I did like HTDAB and All that you can't leave behind as well).
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Post by: fodiktet on December 09, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.
My God, "The Blackout" especially is the most experimental song of the two albums, and you don't like it! You were talking about the 90s, the most experimental part of the band history, and you feel like "The Blackout" is over-produced!

Can you hear the dinosaur on the song? Can you hear the weight of the dinosaur steps through Adam's bassline? Can you hear the dinosaur's shouting through the edge's guitar? Can you hear U2 embrassing their destiny as a dinosaur band? It's brilliant in my ears!!!

You also mentionned the fact U2 want to please the kids, I heard those critics by the past when the band released "Pop" and "Achtung Baby". I was a kid when I became a U2 fan, and I'm glad the band were making radio hits, so I had the chance to discover them. Now, I'm 38, and I still like and admire the fact U2 want to sound fresh and modern.

Plodding dad-rock that thinks it holds a non-existent swagger, overcooking, polishing and bad mixing take their toll.

The lyrics are embarrassing and Larry's drums should explode in the chorus, yet they're barely there at all. They were close on this one but the missteps really knock it down. It's clunky and the melody of the chorus lets it down.

Those heralding The Blackout as a return to the AB era's sound need to listen to Achtung Baby again. Stilted.  Strained.  More noise than music
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Post by: u2music on December 10, 2018, 08:47:06 AM
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I'm a huge fan of the 90s and I agree with you about "No Line On The Horizon"
but NOT about "Songs of Innocence". I was very disappointed by this record, and still am. My favorite songs on it are the ones Danger Mouse produced alone like "Invisible", "Sleep like a baby tonight", "This is where you can reach me now"...
I wish I liked it more, but I'm never listening to it.

To me, "Songs of Experience" is far more interesting and experimental than "Songs of Innocence",
whether you like it or not, songs like "The Blackout", "Lights of Home", "Love is all we have left", "The Book of your heart", "Summer of love", "Love is bigger than anything in its way" or even "The Best Thing" (in a more subtle way) are very experimental.

"Songs of Experience" is, for me, the best album since "PoP". When I first heard it, I was very surprised. And one year on, I'm still fascinated by the different sounds and musical structure of the album.


disagree the songs on SOE are bland and forced, they are just the band desperately trying to appeal to the kids, sound modern and make radio hits, they are embarrassing, lyric wise and the songwriting is overly derived and cliche. Also many of the songs on SOE are over-produced especially the Blackout which is ruined by watered down production.
My God, "The Blackout" especially is the most experimental song of the two albums, and you don't like it! You were talking about the 90s, the most experimental part of the band history, and you feel like "The Blackout" is over-produced!

Can you hear the dinosaur on the song? Can you hear the weight of the dinosaur steps through Adam's bassline? Can you hear the dinosaur's shouting through the edge's guitar? Can you hear U2 embrassing their destiny as a dinosaur band? It's brilliant in my ears!!!

You also mentionned the fact U2 want to please the kids, I heard those critics by the past when the band released "Pop" and "Achtung Baby". I was a kid when I became a U2 fan, and I'm glad the band were making radio hits, so I had the chance to discover them. Now, I'm 38, and I still like and admire the fact U2 want to sound fresh and modern.

Plodding dad-rock that thinks it holds a non-existent swagger, overcooking, polishing and bad mixing take their toll.

The lyrics are embarrassing and Larry's drums should explode in the chorus, yet they're barely there at all. They were close on this one but the missteps really knock it down, very clunky and the melody of the chorus lets it down.

Those heralding The Blackout as a return to the AB era's sound need to listen to Achtung Baby again. Stilted.  Strained.  More noise than music

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Just wanted to say that I love your avatar.  Rastaman Vibration!
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on December 10, 2018, 05:37:41 PM
Did you see "The Blackout" live?  It really rocked!
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Post by: BlueSquirrel on December 12, 2018, 03:16:37 AM
Agreed! It sounded fantastic live!
There was so much energy packed in it that it was brilliant to listen and to dance to!
 BTW it didn't sound like something out of Achtung Baby (which was the point), nevertheless it was stellar in its own way!
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Post by: 64ac30 on December 13, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
I have a love hate relationship with 13. I thinks itís a awesome song but it also makes me depressed. Itís like saying goodbye to the world for good and puts bad thoughts into mind
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Post by: summerholly on December 13, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
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I have a love hate relationship with 13. I thinks itís a awesome song but it also makes me depressed. Itís like saying goodbye to the world for good and puts bad thoughts into mind

These days I just choose to listen to songs that make me feel good whether it be a particular guitar riff, good memories or even sadness mixed with good memories from the past.  I stopped listening to several songs off the latest U2 albums that initially I quite liked but over time started filling me with a sense of melancholy.  As soon as that started happening I stopped listening to them.  I remember a friend of mine just couldn't listen to Push by Matchbox 20 because of her own personal situation.  I loved it but it didn't have the same connotations for me as for her.  Such is music.

Take care and don't let those thoughts overwhelm you.
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Post by: aviastar on January 04, 2019, 09:17:58 AM
Not really.

First, I think Zooropa is a fantastic record but don't much care for Pop. I find NLOTH and SOI are very different records. NLOTH is a mess with quite brilliant spots (and some real lows as well). Whereas SOI is a lot tighter and cohesive, but quite a bit more conservative, but average throughout.
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Post by: Amrice78 on January 04, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
I enjoy heavy, depressing lyrics, I find them cathartic, which is probably why I will always love 90s alternative and all their 90s stuff in particular.  I love SOE and find most of it beautiful.  Yes, some of the rhymes in Blackout are ridiculous, but I do think it was done in a tongue in cheek way instead of with any earnestness.
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Post by: summerholly on January 04, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
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I enjoy heavy, depressing lyrics, I find them cathartic, which is probably why I will always love 90s alternative and all their 90s stuff in particular.  I love SOE and find most of it beautiful.  Yes, some of the rhymes in Blackout are ridiculous, but I do think it was done in a tongue in cheek way instead of with any earnestness.

I was fine with them and also liked them when I was much younger but these days not so much especially exploring mortality.  I have several friends recently who didn't make it so they didn't get to reflect on survival. 
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Post by: shineinthesummernight on January 04, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
I don't think Bono finds the concept of death quite as dismal as some.  He's a man of faith and I think it informs his view.  Of course everyone prefers to consider death more theoretically than actually, lol.
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Post by: Amrice78 on January 04, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
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I enjoy heavy, depressing lyrics, I find them cathartic, which is probably why I will always love 90s alternative and all their 90s stuff in particular.  I love SOE and find most of it beautiful.  Yes, some of the rhymes in Blackout are ridiculous, but I do think it was done in a tongue in cheek way instead of with any earnestness.

I was fine with them and also liked them when I was much younger but these days not so much especially exploring mortality.  I have several friends recently who didn't make it so they didn't get to reflect on survival.
I get that, Iím not so young anymore, although I am not on the older end of U2 fans (early 40s) and in 20 years I may feel different. We all come at the music from different points in life and with different experiences, I wasnít judging your preference for lighter music


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Post by: summerholly on January 04, 2019, 11:38:09 PM
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I enjoy heavy, depressing lyrics, I find them cathartic, which is probably why I will always love 90s alternative and all their 90s stuff in particular.  I love SOE and find most of it beautiful.  Yes, some of the rhymes in Blackout are ridiculous, but I do think it was done in a tongue in cheek way instead of with any earnestness.

I was fine with them and also liked them when I was much younger but these days not so much especially exploring mortality.  I have several friends recently who didn't make it so they didn't get to reflect on survival.
I get that, Iím not so young anymore, although I am not on the older end of U2 fans (early 40s) and in 20 years I may feel different. We all come at the music from different points in life and with different experiences, I wasnít judging your preference for lighter music


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Early forties is young! lol.  Well from my perspective it is anyway!  At your age I didn't give dying or mortality a second thought!  I try not to now except people keep dying unexpectedly. Fit healthy people like Bono and myself and then suddenly boom they are gone.   I can understand why it would influence Bono's songwriting.
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Post by: summerholly on January 04, 2019, 11:51:04 PM
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I don't think Bono finds the concept of death quite as dismal as some.  He's a man of faith and I think it informs his view.  Of course everyone prefers to consider death more theoretically than actually, lol.

Yes that would be so for Bono.  I am actually not worried about dying or what happens to me after I die, that to me is irrelevant.  I worry about what I leave behind and what will happen to them if I die too early, the ones that depend on me and trust me, my team of working dogs.   
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Post by: ShankAsu on February 18, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
i don't see No Line and SOI/SOE as sounding similar.  I think No Line is their worst album and i think i.e. are great albums.  so in response to the OP's question- no.