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Title: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on February 10, 2019, 11:01:58 AM
According to the reliable U2Songs site, it looks like a tour of Aus and NZ is likely at the end of this year, as previously rumoured.
Remember this is a rumour, and is not confirmed by the band, Live Nation or any proposed venue.  But here's what U2Songs say:


"A few additional pieces of information have been sent our way, but these are for a tour that has not been officially announced, and appears to still be in the planning stages, and these items may change with the official announcement:
•A rumoured show for New Zealand is being reported to us as happening on November 8, 2019. It is not known if this is the start of the tour or if there will be earlier dates before that. Until such time that these are officially announced, this should be considered a rumour only, and should not be used to book travel or accommodation.
•At least four cities in Australia are on the currently being developed itinerary, we are told that there is room to add additional cities at the end of the current plans. It is not known if this may include an additional city in Australia or possibly stops in Asia.
•Earlier rumours (see links below) suggested that U2 were looking at new countries as options for this tour. We are told that Singapore is on the final list that is being worked on. It is the first city outside of Australia and New Zealand that has been named to us, but it is not expected to be the only Asian stop. We do not know if this will be before New Zealand, or after Australia.
•Each city should receive two shows, but expect that when announced, only the first show will be sold, with the second being added after initial sales.
•Some components of the stage / screen for The Joshua Tree 2017 are reportedly in the region in storage now, and may be used for this tour, but this tour will not be branded the same, and modifications to the stage are being designed.
•There are no rumours that this tour will continue on beyond December 2019.
•Other sources beyond our initial sources that we mentioned in yesterday’s article, have now also shared with us that this tour is being planned.

If the tour is announced, it will not be the first time that U2 has visited Australia a little later than the rest of the world. When the original Joshua Tree tour did not make it to Australia in 1987, the band finally visited in 1989 on the LoveTown tour. That tour would also take the band through Europe. In 2006, the band delayed a number of tour dates in Asia and Australia for personal reasons, and had an eight month break in the tour before finishing with shows in Australia and Asia, and a final show in Hawaii. Rumours that this 2019 tour would happen started last fall at the end of the Experience and Innocence tour, when tour crew told fans that they had been asked to keep their schedules open for possible further touring in the latter part of the year."
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Amrice78 on February 10, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
It’s good for them
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on February 11, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
While I'd love for this to be true, the thing that makes me a bit wary of it is that U2 always have a purpose for their tours. The Lovetown tour was riding off the back of Rattle and Hum (which I think is still the most successful U2 album in Australia?).

So, what would be the rationale for this tour?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on February 11, 2019, 03:32:14 PM
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While I'd love for this to be true, the thing that makes me a bit wary of it is that U2 always have a purpose for their tours. The Lovetown tour was riding off the back of Rattle and Hum (which I think is still the most successful U2 album in Australia?).

So, what would be the rationale for this tour?

Lovetown 2.0? Just like the US & Europe got the JT 2.0?

Yeah, The Joshua Tree is a much bigger album than Rattle & Hum, so deserved celebrating a second time around.

Which is the highest selling U2 record in Australia? The Joshua Tree, no. Achtung Baby, no. Rattle & Hum, bingo, you're right!!

So if they're going to celebrate that album anywhere, Australia would be as good a place as any.

Maybe that's not a good enough reason for a tour. But a mate of mine, who works on one of the websites that often has credible information regarding tour rumours, has heard that U2 are still required to do one more tour to satisfy the conditions in their Live Nation contact. So maybe that's the motivation to tour.

I'm not sure U2 really needs to promote their latest album in Australia. As it's often long gone before they even get to Australia, & we often get something more closely resembling a greatest hits tour. The Vertigo tour visited Australia a full two years after HTDAAB was released (although it was delayed for 6 months due to Sian's illness).

I have a friend who has been a crew member for every U2 tour since the start of 360. He was telling me things were in the pipeline when I saw him in November 2018.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on February 11, 2019, 11:17:38 PM
I reckon it’s a Joshua Tree based tour - stadiums it seems is what they are looking at otherwise I think the purpose to play is because of the length of time away from that area. I assume they kill mix some of the I&E etc into the show?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on February 13, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
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I reckon it’s a Joshua Tree based tour - stadiums it seems is what they are looking at otherwise I think the purpose to play is because of the length of time away from that area. I assume they kill mix some of the I&E etc into the show?

Except this point would seem to refute that theory...
" • Some components of the stage / screen for The Joshua Tree 2017 are reportedly in the region in storage now, and may be used for this tour, but this tour will not be branded the same, and modifications to the stage are being designed."
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on February 13, 2019, 11:46:03 PM
The crew member I know originally said they were designing the stage in November, & investigating the possibility of a hybrid tour, with concerts in both stadiums & arenas. That would be awesome! Though all current rumours seem to point to it being a stadium only tour.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on February 17, 2019, 05:55:48 AM


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So, what would be the rationale for this tour?

Probably cash and contractual obligations I'd say.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on February 17, 2019, 04:51:30 PM
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So, what would be the rationale for this tour?

Probably cash and contractual obligations I'd say.

That would seem to be a very un-U2 thing to do, don't you think?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: laoghaire on February 17, 2019, 05:20:51 PM
Have contracts? Want money?

Sounds like U2 to me.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: ShankAsu on February 18, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
the real news in this rumor is that there would be a tour this year.
going to go on a limb and predict there is no tour this year.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on February 19, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
I'm not a betting person, but I'd nearly put money on it that there will be a tour late this year.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: ShankAsu on February 19, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
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I'm not a betting person, but I'd nearly put money on it that there will be a tour late this year.
a tour for what though?  no new material and no big anniversaries to celebrate.  maybe they'll just continue i.e. and take it to new places?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on February 19, 2019, 01:51:18 PM
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I'm not a betting person, but I'd nearly put money on it that there will be a tour late this year.
a tour for what though?  no new material and no big anniversaries to celebrate.  maybe they'll just continue i.e. and take it to new places?

30th anniversary of the Lovetown tour?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on February 21, 2019, 08:35:22 AM
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I'm not a betting person, but I'd nearly put money on it that there will be a tour late this year.
a tour for what though?  no new material and no big anniversaries to celebrate.  maybe they'll just continue i.e. and take it to new places?

Why complicate things and have a tour for something.  They haven't been here for so long I am sure fans would be happy for them just to come and play whatever.  A selection of music from across the years.   Who cares about new music and anniversaries when they only come once in a blue moon.  Haha it will all be novel whatever they play.  The once in a blue moon tour lol!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on February 21, 2019, 09:18:45 AM
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The once in a blue moon tour lol!

Haha, I like it! I'd attend  ;D
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: LToy on March 03, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
I did not see this mentioned anywhere on the U2Songs website, but I wonder if there is any chance U2 & Maverick Mgmt could turn 1 of the rumored concerts stops into a Pay Per View event to be carried by the regional telecomm distributors & online platforms like Apple TV, Roku, YouTube TV, etc as another potential revenue stream for this rumored tour? Similar to how ZOO TV Sydney was originally sold as a Pay Per View event that was carried by cable distributors in November 1993 the day after the 11-27-93 concert.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on March 05, 2019, 08:32:01 AM
It would a good idea because there has been a bit of a break from U2 for a few months.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: U2C on March 05, 2019, 09:35:41 AM
I am very excited
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on March 07, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
U2 Songs have posted another long update today. 
It's sounding like things are advanced, but still a few tweaks before anything official. 
There is an announcement due on a Sydney radio station - Triple M - about a tour on Friday.  But quite likely not to be THIS tour. 
Hold on, it's coming.....is the message.
Also the band plan to take 2020 to look at a new album.....yes!  That's mentioned in there too.
They'll be 60 or nearing when it's maybe released.  Will it be called 'Songs of Annuities'?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on March 07, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
Has anyone from down under heard of the rumored Sydney dates yet?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on March 08, 2019, 07:40:40 AM
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Has anyone from down under heard of the rumored Sydney dates yet?

No. But U2Songs & other sources have said the Aussie shows will start in Brisbane on the 13th November. They've also said Sydney will be the fourth Aussie city visited by the tour. Assuming 2 shows in each city, & a 2 day break between cities. That should put the Sydney shows around 25th & 26th November.

I wonder where those Sydney shows will be. ANZ stadium at Homebush is due to start refurbishment in early October 2019, unless things change. Allianz stadium is likely to be a hole in the ground. I guess the cricket season be well underway by late November, so wouldn't think the SCG would be available. The new stadium at Parramatta only seats 30,000 people, not much more than Qudos Bank arena.

Anyone have any ideas.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 08, 2019, 03:01:45 PM
I think it will have to be at Olympic Park.

I think they will do the MCG in Melbourne and obviously Adelaide Oval and Optus stadium in Perth.

Suncorp in Brisbane.

The MCG has started actively booking shows again, hosting Guns and Roses, Bon Jovi and Eminem in recent times.

Exciting times.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on March 08, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
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I think it will have to be at Olympic Park.

I think they will do the MCG in Melbourne and obviously Adelaide Oval and Optus stadium in Perth.

Suncorp in Brisbane.

The MCG has started actively booking shows again, hosting Guns and Roses, Bon Jovi and Eminem in recent times.

Exciting times.

Yeah, Metallica are scheduled to play at ANZ stadium, Olympic Park, on 26 October. So the refurbishment of ANZ stadium has been delayed until at least after that date.

Have to admit I hate waiting to see shows at that stadium. It's hot as hell, with no shade.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 09, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
If I were going to skip shows it Australia it would be Sydney. That wasteland stadium, the trek out there, direct sun all day...

I said if...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on March 10, 2019, 10:23:41 AM
Haha, it's my home show, so I can't miss it. Was hoping that they would have started the refurbishment on time, so the shows could be anywhere but Homebush. Think I'll do Brisbane too, but that's probably all I can (sensibly) afford.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on March 10, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
If there's a change in government at the next NSW election there's no guarantee the redevelopment of ANZ will happen. And even if it does. Metallica in October and U2 in November would be a fitting way to end this particular era of the stadium. It's pretty common practice - Allianz marketed the Buble concert late last year as 'the last event before the rebuild'.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 10, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
Only in NSW could politicians run on a platform of not building a stadium!

In VIC that would be political suicide.

I guess in NSW you can't have a thriving live music scene AND sports venues..!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on March 10, 2019, 09:31:03 PM
Well, we do have stadiums. The current government wants to knock them down and rebuild them though. Despite them being only 30 and 20 years old...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 11, 2019, 01:32:19 AM
Just build one decent one in Moore Park and forget about that western hell hole.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on March 11, 2019, 02:15:58 AM
I wouldn't rely on another websites rumours as gospel (unless it's U2.com). The southern hemisphere fans need their fix, but I'm not sure how long a break they need as Adam said they'd be taking.

Also, how soon before gigs do they sell tickets to their shows usually down in Oz/NZ? I only ask as the E&I tickets for Dublin last November went on sale the  previous January - ten months before the set of gigs in Dublin. There wasn't such a stretch for the JT30 gig - tickets went on sale in January for a July gig in Dublin 2017. I'm just curious if they should be announcing ticket sales relatively soon if they're planning a pre-Christmas tour down south
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 11, 2019, 05:15:38 AM


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I wouldn't rely on another websites rumours as gospel (unless it's U2.com). The southern hemisphere fans need their fix, but I'm not sure how long a break they need as Adam said they'd be taking.

Also, how soon before gigs do they sell tickets to their shows usually down in Oz/NZ?

No real rule.

If it's Prince, about 2 weeks.

If it's a money grabbing flavour of the month boy band who want to cash in before kids work out their music is sh**, 18 months.

U2... Normally 6-12 months.

So next few weeks should be about right!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on March 11, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
Yep - for example, Metallica have just announced a (stadium) tour for October. So if U2 was actually planning something, having a tour announcement sometime in the next month or so would be quite normal.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Gavin82 on March 19, 2019, 07:54:05 AM
https://www.u2songs.com/news/rumours_nz_australia_asia_u2_tour_in_2019?fbclid=IwAR2pvpLyYgBrMe9097pcFKzErJks0Uj0UY7Q7N67oAX_O6qG_yHkEbUvGoE

Its just been updated tixs COULD go on sale the week of April 12th for the upcoming tour
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 30, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
12th April theory... They'd want to announce it very soon....
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on March 30, 2019, 04:41:26 PM
Anyone planning to travel from North America or Europe to Australia for one or more of these shows if it happens? Its two weeks from the rumored April 12 date for tickets.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on March 30, 2019, 10:04:32 PM
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Anyone planning to travel from North America or Europe to Australia for one or more of these shows if it happens? Its two weeks from the rumored April 12 date for tickets.

Wow that is fandom for you! Mind you, you get to see a great country!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Catlithco on March 31, 2019, 03:10:48 AM
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Anyone planning to travel from North America or Europe to Australia for one or more of these shows if it happens? Its two weeks from the rumored April 12 date for tickets.

I am planning indeed. Want to see the NZ show and at least one show in each city.
There‘s so much else to see, and I don’t want to come only for the concerts only.
I‘m coming from Germany.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Moza1 on March 31, 2019, 03:48:59 PM
As much as we love to welcome visitors to NZ, these shows will sell out, and we haven't had an NZ show in almost ten years. Any chance of letting the kiwis buy these tickets first?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 31, 2019, 04:03:10 PM
Well, at least letting kiwis buy them after ticketmaster resale and viagogo have got 92% of them...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on March 31, 2019, 07:23:25 PM
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As much as we love to welcome visitors to NZ, these shows will sell out, and we haven't had an NZ show in almost ten years. Any chance of letting the kiwis buy these tickets first?

I think the threat foreigners taken up tickets is much less than it would be for North America and Europe. Plane flights to New Zealand and Australia are often double or triple of what it takes to fly from North America to Europe. I doubt the number of foreign travelers for each show would be more than a few hundred for New Zealand and Australia.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on March 31, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
I'm not sure money is a huge barrier judging by some fans' attendances worldwide!

NZ is such a brilliant place to visit.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Mr Dan on March 31, 2019, 08:16:13 PM
I am hearing an announcement will be made this Friday at 2pm.....LOVETOWN 30...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on March 31, 2019, 10:03:56 PM
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I am hearing an announcement will be made this Friday at 2pm.....LOVETOWN 30...

Source?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singscott on April 01, 2019, 09:49:39 AM
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I am hearing an announcement will be made this Friday at 2pm.....LOVETOWN 30...

2pm - which timezone?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 02, 2019, 08:07:02 PM
I bet no Aus/NZ tour will happen, as the ie/ei era is over (although Bono kept the Lennon shades). JT32 does not make a nice slogan. Adam has forgotten how to play Iris, Red Hill Mining etc. And they must be quite tired from touring since 2015 too (almost no activity 2016).

But it's tempting that each band member could bag est US$5-10 mil for doing an easy tour of say: 3 Melbourne, 3 Sydney, 2 Brisbane, 2 Adelaide (think they would skip Perth). 3 Auckland, 2 --other nz big city--.

We saw the tabloid dailyMail article claimung U2 is looking for 4 massive properties for their Aus homebase during tour.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 02, 2019, 08:10:59 PM
They won't skip Perth. It has the newest stadium in the country and is on the way home.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 02, 2019, 08:20:35 PM
So the betting pool thinks Aus outdoor stadiums are more likely than indoor arenas?

I agree with that, as stadiums make more revenue & profit$ per gig I believe (even after you subtract more expensive rental costs of stadiums).

It's all about maximising the bucks if they head down under.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 02, 2019, 08:33:14 PM
Oh definitely outdoor sadly. Indoor pipedream is dead for Oz/NZ.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 02, 2019, 08:54:30 PM
Ps: I swap my bet of 2 Adelaide for 2 Perth instead. Obv no one cares to play to the politicians in Canberra, not even Bono (did Sheeran play Canberra?)

Brisc, what tour theme are you betting on? JT"special"32?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 03, 2019, 04:41:38 AM
No idea.

Maybe the 'play something from Pop' Tour...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on April 03, 2019, 06:05:43 AM
They haven't been here for so long that I doubt anyone would care what they played.  People would just go to enjoy the music and see them playing.  I doubt they should bother getting hung up on a theme or going over the top on stage production.  Most people where I am are not really that familiar with their later stuff, probably a mix through the eras would be good.  Yep Perth has a new stadium.  Ed I think was the first act in the new stadium and played to around 60,000.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 03, 2019, 07:10:07 AM
Guys - I just hope it pans out. I loved Lovetown so I'm hoping you get something similar (albeit it will be a bigger scale)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on April 04, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
Lovetown is Bigger than anything in it's Way
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 05, 2019, 01:32:18 AM
Imminent.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: U2C on April 05, 2019, 08:24:53 AM
Two shows in Auckland, NZ
One show in Brisbane
Two shows in Melbourne
One show in Adelaide
Two shows in Sydney
Two shows in Perth
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 05, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
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I am hearing an announcement will be made this Friday at 2pm.....LOVETOWN 30...

Well, it did not occur if the announcement was to take place in New Zealand or Australia.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Smee on April 06, 2019, 06:57:31 AM
@u2 twitter account has tweeted this

"Heads up, gang: A band spokesperson says there is no U2 tour announcement coming next week. (Whatever Australian media is teasing, it's not about U2.)"


I was one who felt sure the rumour was just wishful thinking. It makes no sense to me
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 06, 2019, 07:04:19 AM
We shall see I guess.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 06, 2019, 08:17:46 AM
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@u2 twitter account has tweeted this

"Heads up, gang: A band spokesperson says there is no U2 tour announcement coming next week. (Whatever Australian media is teasing, it's not about U2.)"


I was one who felt sure the rumour was just wishful thinking. It makes no sense to me

Which rumour, the announcement or the whole idea of a tour of Australia at the end of 2019?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Smee on April 06, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
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We shall see I guess.

Fingers crossed.

I really hope it happens for all you guys down under
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 06, 2019, 10:09:43 AM
Announcement could be 12 April or any time in April. Place your bets now! I bet no tour!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: m2 on April 06, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
Or April 15
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Post by: daveyg on April 09, 2019, 08:01:54 AM
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Announcement could be 12 April or any time in April. Place your bets now! I bet no tour!

+1. I can see this discussion going right up to December 31st only to start right up again in 2020
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on April 10, 2019, 07:36:06 AM
Nah, I am over it already.   
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 10, 2019, 10:52:24 PM
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Or April 15

I’d watch this space
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Post by: opening night on April 11, 2019, 11:12:27 PM
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Or April 15

I’d watch this space

Me too. I follow M2.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on April 12, 2019, 10:53:17 AM
Monday sounds good...presale 1 on Wednesday, Presale 2 Thursday and general sales Friday??? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: goldtoad on April 13, 2019, 09:58:33 AM

I will be happy for our friends in the southern hemisphere if this happens. Sounds like it will, but it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again.  I wonder if this is because of some contractual obligation to Live Nation or if they just want to show some love to fans in the southern hemisphere? 
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on April 13, 2019, 02:37:13 PM
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it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again
why?  they haven't played anything from the album since the 2017 tour...  if anything, the 30th Anniversary Tour's timing was "weird" for people were still awaiting the 'Experience' album's release and it had appeared that the 'Innocence' tour was only half finished at the time...

the logic behind starting up another leg of 'The Joshua Tree' is pretty simple...  they can sell out stadiums on this premise as opposed to arenas which weren't exactly filling up during the last tour in some instances...  'The Joshua Tree' is money in the bank...  they can sell more tickets in an abbreviated window...  if you were to poll the Australians on whether they'd want a 'Joshua Tree' or 'e+i' show I'm thinking that there'd be overwhelming support for 'The Joshua Tree'...

I don't know about the 'Lovetown' talk (30 years this year) either for 'Rattle & Hum' is seen as a sort of downpoint in their history, rivaled only by 'Pop' & 'Innocence'...  it'd be a hard sell commemorating 30 years since 'Rattle & Hum', for stadiums anyway, in my opinion...  even hardcore U2 fans don't really talk much about the mediocre covers of The Beatles' classic 'Helter Skelter' or a version of 'All Along The Watchtower' that pales in comparison to just about every other version out there...

The 2017 tour reconnected U2's core audience to the heart of their legacy, which many had long lost sight of, particularly after a sad offering in the form of a 'Songs of Innocence' album, and I'm not just talking about the manner in which it was "offered"...  The Southern Hemisphere missed out on what, in my opinion, was their finest tour both visually and musically in 2017...  This demographic has been very supportive of the band throughout their careers and is fully deserving of a Joshua Tree themed tour...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on April 13, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
So this is happening on Monday?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 13, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
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it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again
why?  they haven't played anything from the album since the 2017 tour...  if anything, the 30th Anniversary Tour's timing was "weird" for people were still awaiting the 'Experience' album's release and it had appeared that the 'Innocence' tour was only half finished at the time...

the logic behind starting up another leg of 'The Joshua Tree' is pretty simple...  they can sell out stadiums on this premise as opposed to arenas which weren't exactly filling up during the last tour in some instances...  'The Joshua Tree' is money in the bank...  they can sell more tickets in an abbreviated window...  if you were to poll the Australians on whether they'd want a 'Joshua Tree' or 'e+i' show I'm thinking that there'd be overwhelming support for 'The Joshua Tree'...

I don't know about the 'Lovetown' talk (30 years this year) either for 'Rattle & Hum' is seen as a sort of downpoint in their history, rivaled only by 'Pop' & 'Innocence'...  it'd be a hard sell commemorating 30 years since 'Rattle & Hum', for stadiums anyway, in my opinion...  even hardcore U2 fans don't really talk much about the mediocre covers of The Beatles' classic 'Helter Skelter' or a version of 'All Along The Watchtower' that pales in comparison to just about every other version out there...

The 2017 tour reconnected U2's core audience to the heart of their legacy, which many had long lost sight of, particularly after a sad offering in the form of a 'Songs of Innocence' album, and I'm not just talking about the manner in which it was "offered"...  The Southern Hemisphere missed out on what, in my opinion, was their finest tour both visually and musically in 2017...  This demographic has been very supportive of the band throughout their careers and is fully deserving of a Joshua Tree themed tour...:-)

1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: opening night on April 14, 2019, 12:45:40 AM
I totally agree with wons about point 1-3!

btw. The rumor is that this is NOT a JT-Tour, only with the stage from 2017.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on April 14, 2019, 04:43:46 AM
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it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again
why?  they haven't played anything from the album since the 2017 tour...  if anything, the 30th Anniversary Tour's timing was "weird" for people were still awaiting the 'Experience' album's release and it had appeared that the 'Innocence' tour was only half finished at the time...

the logic behind starting up another leg of 'The Joshua Tree' is pretty simple...  they can sell out stadiums on this premise as opposed to arenas which weren't exactly filling up during the last tour in some instances...  'The Joshua Tree' is money in the bank...  they can sell more tickets in an abbreviated window...  if you were to poll the Australians on whether they'd want a 'Joshua Tree' or 'e+i' show I'm thinking that there'd be overwhelming support for 'The Joshua Tree'...

I don't know about the 'Lovetown' talk (30 years this year) either for 'Rattle & Hum' is seen as a sort of downpoint in their history, rivaled only by 'Pop' & 'Innocence'...  it'd be a hard sell commemorating 30 years since 'Rattle & Hum', for stadiums anyway, in my opinion...  even hardcore U2 fans don't really talk much about the mediocre covers of The Beatles' classic 'Helter Skelter' or a version of 'All Along The Watchtower' that pales in comparison to just about every other version out there...

The 2017 tour reconnected U2's core audience to the heart of their legacy, which many had long lost sight of, particularly after a sad offering in the form of a 'Songs of Innocence' album, and I'm not just talking about the manner in which it was "offered"...  The Southern Hemisphere missed out on what, in my opinion, was their finest tour both visually and musically in 2017...  This demographic has been very supportive of the band throughout their careers and is fully deserving of a Joshua Tree themed tour...:-)

1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

Yep not surprising at all, Rattle and Hum was one of my favourites, I didn't even realise the critics didn't like it much, that surprised me.  Maybe the American critics were tougher on it for reasons that were of less importance to Australians.  Although I do agree taking on Hendrix and Watchtower was ambitious.  I can still hear Jimi's verison in my head after all these years
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on April 14, 2019, 02:29:51 PM
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1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

South America got a leg for the 2017 Tour...  of course I was talking about a tour exclusive to the Southern Hemisphere...  any tour Down Under would've been "massive" back in the day for they rarely visited there...  don't know about your sales data but I'll take your word for it...  at any rate 'Rattle & Hum' is a Joshua Tree sidebar...  the best moments, especially in the film, are The Joshua Tree material performed live...  even the better new songs, such as 'Hawkmoon 269', sound like Joshua B-Sides or, songs that weren't good or innovative enough to form a cohesive new album...

it's a "downpoint" in their history for they were becoming bad parodies of, not only themselves, but doing a poor job of imitating their idols...  'Desire' hit Number One out of the gate for the same reasons that 'Discotheque' from 'POP' did...  the world was salivating for a new U2 record...  what they got was a second rate Bo Diddley rip-off (they wouldn't be the first) where Bono's going on about red guitars (where have we heard that before?)...  talking about a 30th Anniversary 'Rattle & Hum' show where the expectation is that they'd play the entire album in its entirety would be pretty sad, in my opinion...  is he supposed to repeat the pretentious introduction by giving further notoriety to a mass murderer who's name should be unspoken forever?!

the worst part would be hearing Bono attempting to recapture the passionate screaming of 'Hawkmoon 269's later verses, or in 'God (Part II)' (another ripped off title) with his now older vocals...  even the band themselves realized that they were trying too hard to be something that they weren't back then which resulted in them hitting the reset button and going back to being U2 for the early to mid-nineties (you are 100% correct when you said "Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV")...  'Rattle & Hum' is a fragmented mess (one of its charms, I suppose) and wreaks of them trying to milk 'The Joshua Tree'/Americana thing for all its worth...  making the vinyl a double album was a joke for they easily could've fit what was offered onto a single disc...  if you're gonna make it 2 records then include the best tracks that weren't included (in other words, More Joshua Tree)...

I'd like to think that U2 have learned from the 'Rattle & Hum' experience, but to make this rumored tour about 'Lovetown' would be history repeating itself for the wrong reasons...  'Rattle & Hum's saving grace is 'The Joshua Tree'...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: m2 on April 14, 2019, 03:27:34 PM
"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 14, 2019, 06:28:51 PM
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"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.

Thanks M2 - guess the point here is that an announcement is imminent
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 14, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
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"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.

Riiiiiigghtttt......;)

Seriously though - we've just had Metallica and Queen announce stadium tours. I would have thought U2 would be better off delaying an announcement for a while now. People have only got so much money you know!

Thanks M2 - guess the point here is that an announcement is imminent
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: marcovox on April 15, 2019, 12:28:25 AM
Well it's almost the end of the business day on April 15th in Australia.  I highly doubt they're going to announce it late into the evening.   So I think those Ts aren't being crossed after all. 

U2songs said expect an announcement later in the month.  I'm assuming that next week at the earliest.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 15, 2019, 12:39:40 AM
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Well it's almost the end of the business day on April 15th in Australia.  I highly doubt they're going to announce it late into the evening.   So I think those Ts aren't being crossed after all. 

U2songs said expect an announcement later in the month.  I'm assuming that next week at the earliest.

Yes I think m2 was pointing to the fact it’s not today (sadly) but sounds like there is definitely one coming
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 15, 2019, 03:43:52 PM
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sounds like there is definitely one coming

Definitely?!?! Not in the slightest. Replace definitely with "hopefully" and you're much closer to the mark.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 15, 2019, 03:46:18 PM
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1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

South America got a leg for the 2017 Tour...  of course I was talking about a tour exclusive to the Southern Hemisphere...  any tour Down Under would've been "massive" back in the day for they rarely visited there...  don't know about your sales data but I'll take your word for it...  at any rate 'Rattle & Hum' is a Joshua Tree sidebar...  the best moments, especially in the film, are The Joshua Tree material performed live...  even the better new songs, such as 'Hawkmoon 269', sound like Joshua B-Sides or, songs that weren't good or innovative enough to form a cohesive new album...

it's a "downpoint" in their history for they were becoming bad parodies of, not only themselves, but doing a poor job of imitating their idols...  'Desire' hit Number One out of the gate for the same reasons that 'Discotheque' from 'POP' did...  the world was salivating for a new U2 record...  what they got was a second rate Bo Diddley rip-off (they wouldn't be the first) where Bono's going on about red guitars (where have we heard that before?)...  talking about a 30th Anniversary 'Rattle & Hum' show where the expectation is that they'd play the entire album in its entirety would be pretty sad, in my opinion...  is he supposed to repeat the pretentious introduction by giving further notoriety to a mass murderer who's name should be unspoken forever?!

the worst part would be hearing Bono attempting to recapture the passionate screaming of 'Hawkmoon 269's later verses, or in 'God (Part II)' (another ripped off title) with his now older vocals...  even the band themselves realized that they were trying too hard to be something that they weren't back then which resulted in them hitting the reset button and going back to being U2 for the early to mid-nineties (you are 100% correct when you said "Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV")...  'Rattle & Hum' is a fragmented mess (one of its charms, I suppose) and wreaks of them trying to milk 'The Joshua Tree'/Americana thing for all its worth...  making the vinyl a double album was a joke for they easily could've fit what was offered onto a single disc...  if you're gonna make it 2 records then include the best tracks that weren't included (in other words, More Joshua Tree)...

I'd like to think that U2 have learned from the 'Rattle & Hum' experience, but to make this rumored tour about 'Lovetown' would be history repeating itself for the wrong reasons...  'Rattle & Hum's saving grace is 'The Joshua Tree'...:-)

Well, it appears you have not listened to much of the lovetown tour nor do you understand just how special it was, especially to people in Australia and New Zealand.

As for Rattle and Hum, the criticism of the band from music critics was not warranted and you just seem to be repeating their criticism verbatim. I remember when the album was released in 1988. It was a huge hit, even in the United States. A song like Desire even got played at the Highschool Dance and received a standing ovation from everyone in attendance. The movie was very popular among the late teen and early 20s demographic that were into rock music. You would not know that it was a downpoint in any way for the band unless you picked up a particular magazine and read what some music critic had to say.

When I say that it primed the pump for the band, I mean in terms of being popular among fans and the general public. It reached the triple platinum mark, 3 million sold in the United States, faster than Nirvana's Nevermind did in 1991-1992. The album was VERY popular. This popularity helped build momentum for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV. The Movie also allowed younger fans not old enough to go to concerts to sort of experience what U2's live music was like in a theater with a big sound system. Not the same as going to a concert, but it still had a big impact on many not yet old enough to go to their first concerts.

I'm speaking objectively in terms of what actually happened and how it really helped the band. Ones opinion of the music, like the music critics of the time, is subjective. The lesson of Rattle And Hum is that they nailed it, did everything right in terms of their career at that point. That several dozen writers at various magazines did not like it did not matter when everyone else felt differently.

Objectively, the bands first missteps took place with POP and POPMART in terms of the choices made and the impact it had on their career at that point in time. Rattle And Hum, album and movie, plus the Lovetown Tour were historic successes for the band.

What made the Lovetown tour so special were different set list every night and that although Rattle And Hum was a focus, the tour was not actually very tied to it as the Joshua Tree Tour was to its respective album or ZOO TV Tour to Achtung Baby.


Given where the band is currently, revisiting Lovetown at this point would be perfect. Its not about the Joshua Tree or Songs Of Experience. You might hear more Rattle And Hum songs than you have heard in many decades, but that won't be the whole show. It will be a fun mix of things of they decide to do it. Afterall, that is what the original Lovetown Tour was.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 15, 2019, 07:27:02 PM
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1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

South America got a leg for the 2017 Tour...  of course I was talking about a tour exclusive to the Southern Hemisphere...  any tour Down Under would've been "massive" back in the day for they rarely visited there...  don't know about your sales data but I'll take your word for it...  at any rate 'Rattle & Hum' is a Joshua Tree sidebar...  the best moments, especially in the film, are The Joshua Tree material performed live...  even the better new songs, such as 'Hawkmoon 269', sound like Joshua B-Sides or, songs that weren't good or innovative enough to form a cohesive new album...

it's a "downpoint" in their history for they were becoming bad parodies of, not only themselves, but doing a poor job of imitating their idols...  'Desire' hit Number One out of the gate for the same reasons that 'Discotheque' from 'POP' did...  the world was salivating for a new U2 record...  what they got was a second rate Bo Diddley rip-off (they wouldn't be the first) where Bono's going on about red guitars (where have we heard that before?)...  talking about a 30th Anniversary 'Rattle & Hum' show where the expectation is that they'd play the entire album in its entirety would be pretty sad, in my opinion...  is he supposed to repeat the pretentious introduction by giving further notoriety to a mass murderer who's name should be unspoken forever?!

the worst part would be hearing Bono attempting to recapture the passionate screaming of 'Hawkmoon 269's later verses, or in 'God (Part II)' (another ripped off title) with his now older vocals...  even the band themselves realized that they were trying too hard to be something that they weren't back then which resulted in them hitting the reset button and going back to being U2 for the early to mid-nineties (you are 100% correct when you said "Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV")...  'Rattle & Hum' is a fragmented mess (one of its charms, I suppose) and wreaks of them trying to milk 'The Joshua Tree'/Americana thing for all its worth...  making the vinyl a double album was a joke for they easily could've fit what was offered onto a single disc...  if you're gonna make it 2 records then include the best tracks that weren't included (in other words, More Joshua Tree)...

I'd like to think that U2 have learned from the 'Rattle & Hum' experience, but to make this rumored tour about 'Lovetown' would be history repeating itself for the wrong reasons...  'Rattle & Hum's saving grace is 'The Joshua Tree'...:-)

Well, it appears you have not listened to much of the lovetown tour nor do you understand just how special it was, especially to people in Australia and New Zealand.

As for Rattle and Hum, the criticism of the band from music critics was not warranted and you just seem to be repeating their criticism verbatim. I remember when the album was released in 1988. It was a huge hit, even in the United States. A song like Desire even got played at the Highschool Dance and received a standing ovation from everyone in attendance. The movie was very popular among the late teen and early 20s demographic that were into rock music. You would not know that it was a downpoint in any way for the band unless you picked up a particular magazine and read what some music critic had to say.

When I say that it primed the pump for the band, I mean in terms of being popular among fans and the general public. It reached the triple platinum mark, 3 million sold in the United States, faster than Nirvana's Nevermind did in 1991-1992. The album was VERY popular. This popularity helped build momentum for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV. The Movie also allowed younger fans not old enough to go to concerts to sort of experience what U2's live music was like in a theater with a big sound system. Not the same as going to a concert, but it still had a big impact on many not yet old enough to go to their first concerts.

I'm speaking objectively in terms of what actually happened and how it really helped the band. Ones opinion of the music, like the music critics of the time, is subjective. The lesson of Rattle And Hum is that they nailed it, did everything right in terms of their career at that point. That several dozen writers at various magazines did not like it did not matter when everyone else felt differently.

Objectively, the bands first missteps took place with POP and POPMART in terms of the choices made and the impact it had on their career at that point in time. Rattle And Hum, album and movie, plus the Lovetown Tour were historic successes for the band.

What made the Lovetown tour so special were different set list every night and that although Rattle And Hum was a focus, the tour was not actually very tied to it as the Joshua Tree Tour was to its respective album or ZOO TV Tour to Achtung Baby.


Given where the band is currently, revisiting Lovetown at this point would be perfect. Its not about the Joshua Tree or Songs Of Experience. You might hear more Rattle And Hum songs than you have heard in many decades, but that won't be the whole show. It will be a fun mix of things of they decide to do it. Afterall, that is what the original Lovetown Tour was.

That's a great point. Assuming there is a tour at all (which I still think is unlikely), I wonder whether it might be somewhat similar to the show the band did at the Apollo Theater? With a few TJT songs thrown in for the fans...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 15, 2019, 10:22:38 PM
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sounds like there is definitely one coming

Definitely?!?! Not in the slightest. Replace definitely with "hopefully" and you're much closer to the mark.

m2 isn’t usually wrong with these things hence me being positive. But let’s say hopefully definitely  8)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on April 16, 2019, 07:32:52 AM
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Well, it appears you have not listened to much of the lovetown tour nor do you understand just how special it was, especially to people in Australia and New Zealand.

As for Rattle and Hum, the criticism of the band from music critics was not warranted and you just seem to be repeating their criticism verbatim. I remember when the album was released in 1988. It was a huge hit, even in the United States. A song like Desire even got played at the Highschool Dance and received a standing ovation from everyone in attendance. The movie was very popular among the late teen and early 20s demographic that were into rock music. You would not know that it was a downpoint in any way for the band unless you picked up a particular magazine and read what some music critic had to say.

When I say that it primed the pump for the band, I mean in terms of being popular among fans and the general public. It reached the triple platinum mark, 3 million sold in the United States, faster than Nirvana's Nevermind did in 1991-1992. The album was VERY popular. This popularity helped build momentum for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV. The Movie also allowed younger fans not old enough to go to concerts to sort of experience what U2's live music was like in a theater with a big sound system. Not the same as going to a concert, but it still had a big impact on many not yet old enough to go to their first concerts.

I'm speaking objectively in terms of what actually happened and how it really helped the band. Ones opinion of the music, like the music critics of the time, is subjective. The lesson of Rattle And Hum is that they nailed it, did everything right in terms of their career at that point. That several dozen writers at various magazines did not like it did not matter when everyone else felt differently.

Objectively, the bands first missteps took place with POP and POPMART in terms of the choices made and the impact it had on their career at that point in time. Rattle And Hum, album and movie, plus the Lovetown Tour were historic successes for the band.

What made the Lovetown tour so special were different set list every night and that although Rattle And Hum was a focus, the tour was not actually very tied to it as the Joshua Tree Tour was to its respective album or ZOO TV Tour to Achtung Baby.


Given where the band is currently, revisiting Lovetown at this point would be perfect. Its not about the Joshua Tree or Songs Of Experience. You might hear more Rattle And Hum songs than you have heard in many decades, but that won't be the whole show. It will be a fun mix of things of they decide to do it. Afterall, that is what the original Lovetown Tour was.
sure, they "nailed" down the arts of marketing a mix-mash of what sound to be outtakes & live material and stretched a single album out over 2 records to make more money...  and since you seem bent on using sales data for an argument to 'Rattle & Hum's "brilliance", are you aware that this data is also "stretched" where 1 sale actually is counted as 2?  that's right...  it's why George Harrison's 'All Things Must Pass' (a 3-Record Set) is touted as the Biggest Selling Solo-Beatles' Album, even though Paul McCartney's 'Band On The Run' outsold it...  the number of discs does count toward its "triple platinum" status...  still wanna say that 'Rattle & Hum' outsold 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under?

yes, my opinion is subjective but it has nothing to do with magazine reviews...  I viewed the 'Rattle & Hum' film on Opening Night (Victoria BC Canada) and if it weren't for my party of five there literally wouldn't have been a dozen people total at the show...  it was hardly a box office smash, but to be fair Concert Films rarely do well at the box office...  but atleast The Rolling Stones' 'Let's Spend The Night Together' had a half-full theatre...  take your focus off of the commercial "success" of the album and talk about the music and it's nowhere near in the same league as their other works, with the exception of 'The Joshua Tree' live performances...  it's for die-hards only which you (and many here) obviously are...  yes, it's a "downpoint"...  the artistic peak of 'The Joshua Tree' that preceeded it perhaps emphasizes it further but it's still a "downpoint" for most casual U2 fans...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 16, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
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Well, it appears you have not listened to much of the lovetown tour nor do you understand just how special it was, especially to people in Australia and New Zealand.

As for Rattle and Hum, the criticism of the band from music critics was not warranted and you just seem to be repeating their criticism verbatim. I remember when the album was released in 1988. It was a huge hit, even in the United States. A song like Desire even got played at the Highschool Dance and received a standing ovation from everyone in attendance. The movie was very popular among the late teen and early 20s demographic that were into rock music. You would not know that it was a downpoint in any way for the band unless you picked up a particular magazine and read what some music critic had to say.

When I say that it primed the pump for the band, I mean in terms of being popular among fans and the general public. It reached the triple platinum mark, 3 million sold in the United States, faster than Nirvana's Nevermind did in 1991-1992. The album was VERY popular. This popularity helped build momentum for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV. The Movie also allowed younger fans not old enough to go to concerts to sort of experience what U2's live music was like in a theater with a big sound system. Not the same as going to a concert, but it still had a big impact on many not yet old enough to go to their first concerts.

I'm speaking objectively in terms of what actually happened and how it really helped the band. Ones opinion of the music, like the music critics of the time, is subjective. The lesson of Rattle And Hum is that they nailed it, did everything right in terms of their career at that point. That several dozen writers at various magazines did not like it did not matter when everyone else felt differently.

Objectively, the bands first missteps took place with POP and POPMART in terms of the choices made and the impact it had on their career at that point in time. Rattle And Hum, album and movie, plus the Lovetown Tour were historic successes for the band.

What made the Lovetown tour so special were different set list every night and that although Rattle And Hum was a focus, the tour was not actually very tied to it as the Joshua Tree Tour was to its respective album or ZOO TV Tour to Achtung Baby.


Given where the band is currently, revisiting Lovetown at this point would be perfect. Its not about the Joshua Tree or Songs Of Experience. You might hear more Rattle And Hum songs than you have heard in many decades, but that won't be the whole show. It will be a fun mix of things of they decide to do it. Afterall, that is what the original Lovetown Tour was.
sure, they "nailed" down the arts of marketing a mix-mash of what sound to be outtakes & live material and stretched a single album out over 2 records to make more money...  and since you seem bent on using sales data for an argument to 'Rattle & Hum's "brilliance", are you aware that this data is also "stretched" where 1 sale actually is counted as 2?  that's right...  it's why George Harrison's 'All Things Must Pass' (a 3-Record Set) is touted as the Biggest Selling Solo-Beatles' Album, even though Paul McCartney's 'Band On The Run' outsold it...  the number of discs does count toward its "triple platinum" status...  still wanna say that 'Rattle & Hum' outsold 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under?

yes, my opinion is subjective but it has nothing to do with magazine reviews...  I viewed the 'Rattle & Hum' film on Opening Night (Victoria BC Canada) and if it weren't for my party of five there literally wouldn't have been a dozen people total at the show...  it was hardly a box office smash, but to be fair Concert Films rarely do well at the box office...  but atleast The Rolling Stones' 'Let's Spend The Night Together' had a half-full theatre...  take your focus off of the commercial "success" of the album and talk about the music and it's nowhere near in the same league as their other works, with the exception of 'The Joshua Tree' live performances...  it's for die-hards only which you (and many here) obviously are...  yes, it's a "downpoint"...  the artistic peak of 'The Joshua Tree' that preceeded it perhaps emphasizes it further but it's still a "downpoint" for most casual U2 fans...:-)

1. Rattle And Hum is only two albums in the Vinyl configuration. On Cassette and Compact Disc, there is just one album.
2. RIAA did not allow multiple disc, records, or CDs from an album to be counted multiple times for sales until the mid-1990s.
3. Rattle And Hum achieved triple platinum status, RIAA certified, on January 17, 1989. That's 3 million sold in the United States ALONE. In 1989, albums like The WALL by Pink Floyd or Physical Graffitti By Led Zeppelin could only be counted once for the sell of the album, not twice or more for the extra record in the package. Same with vinyl copies of Rattle And Hum. One purchase equaled one album sold.


Sorry, but your wrong on this. U2 could ask to recertify Rattle And Hum today and try to see if those extra Vinyl records would equal to another million sold or more, but they have yet to do so. Pink Floyd did this for the Wall album in 1997. It went from 11 million in sales certified in May 1997 to 22 million in September 1997. RIAA changed the rules around 1994/1995.


Where I live in Pennsylvania, opening weekend for Rattle And Hum at the theaters were all soldout. Nearly everyone in my Highschool went to see it after school that weekend. The opening weekend did do well for the film. But since the film is something that only appeals to U2 fans, the audience for the film is a bit limited compared to most commercial films that appeal to the entire general public.

I focus on the commercial success of the album because it is indisputable OBJECTIVE FACT!

Your opinion of the music on the album is one thing. There is someone out there who may think Joshua Tree is the worst thing U2 ever did, but Rattle And Hum is the greatest. So What?

Look, I don't think Rattle And Hum is as good as the Joshua Tree. But clearly people in Australia felt differently. That is why it is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. But the way, the ARIA, Australia's version of the RIAA, does not have double counting or more rules for albums with multiple disc etc. So yes, strange as it seems, Rattle And Hum is U2's best selling album in Australia.

So yes, a tour with an emphasis on songs from Rattle And Hum, a retro Lovetown Tour in some form, would go down very well in Australia. Back in 1989, U2 could have chosen to bring the same Joshua Tree Tour to Australia that they had played in 1987 in North America and Europe. But they chose to do something different. In 2019 if U2 go to Australia, I don't think they will be doing the Joshua Tree 2017 tour setlist/setup. I think if they do tour it will be a mix of things more akin to what the Lovetown tour was in 1989.

Victoria BC is a cool town by the way. So is Vancouver Island. Not a lot of people live there though and I'm sorry you did not have a more festive experience at the screening of the film back in 1988. Where I live, everyone was standing and singing in a packed theater.

By the way, Rattle And Hum's opening weekend in the United States, November 4 to November 6, it was the #2 film in the United States that weekend!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on April 16, 2019, 07:08:41 PM
U2 Subscription bought earlier this week and I am now watching this thread like a hawk!

Just waiting to see where in NZ they will be visiting.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 16, 2019, 07:13:46 PM
On the significance or otherwise of R&H compared to other albums...

If U2 were going to put out an updated Best Of album, there's a strong case for at least four songs from R&H - Desire, All I Want Is You, Angel of Harlem and When Love Comes to Town. All songs that the average person in the street would be familiar with too. Compare that to the last few U2 albums. No comparison.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on April 16, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
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1. Rattle And Hum is only two albums in the Vinyl configuration. On Cassette and Compact Disc, there is just one album.
2. RIAA did not allow multiple disc, records, or CDs from an album to be counted multiple times for sales until the mid-1990s.
3. Rattle And Hum achieved triple platinum status, RIAA certified, on January 17, 1989. That's 3 million sold in the United States ALONE. In 1989, albums like The WALL by Pink Floyd or Physical Graffitti By Led Zeppelin could only be counted once for the sell of the album, not twice or more for the extra record in the package. Same with vinyl copies of Rattle And Hum. One purchase equaled one album sold.

the "vinyl configuration" still made for the bulk of sales as CD's weren't quite yet taking over...  technology was still evolving to the point where the players and the discs themselves weren't as costly, for CD's were more than double the cost of LP's when they first appeared in the mid-eighties while the players themselves weren't yet within reach of most household's budgets...  getting back to Australia (as in ARIA), if I may, there's a detail that you're conveniently overlooking in that they certify by Shipments, not Sales...  their barometer for units shipped is much less than your six digit American sales figures and yes, the 2 records count as 2 shipped...  stick to the topic of Australia here...  there's a reason why 'Rattle & Hum' appeared to outsell 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under, but you really have no hard data to back that up, do you?  that's because it didn't happen...

I have a hard time picturing a packed theatre "singing along" to 'Van Dieman's Land' & 'Heartland' back in the day, sorry...  let me guess...  they sang along to 'Where The Streets Have No Name' and 'With Or Without You'...  two songs that never appeared on the 'Rattle & Hum' album...  I won't insult your intelligence and point to which album they're from...  many copies of the album were shipped to Australia to coincide with the tour and we really have no idea exactly how many "units" were sold...

getting to the music...  there's very little innovation and originality that had laced their previous releases up until that point...  whenever I hear the intro to 'Angel of Harlem' come on the radio, I still hear Bob Dylan's 'Like A Rolling Stone' instead before I realize, "oh yeah this is U2"...  'Desire' got a "standing ovation" at your High School?!  well... it is a catchy groove and the teens cheering it on weren't old enough at the time to recognize it as Bo Diddley's signature regurgitated...  'Hawkmoon 269' & 'All I Want Is You' are yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula that was done so much better previously on the song 'Bad'...

one of the best is 'Freedom For My People' which isn't even them but full marks to them for paying homage to an unsigned brilliant musician...  'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' is top notch and a great arrangement, while 'Silver & Gold' is riveting but they're not exactly 'Rattle & Hum' songs...  I've all ready hit on the hideous cover versions which aren't worth mentioning again...  these aren't just personal opinions, they're songs directly attributed to other artists other than U2 with very little originality to them...  you can't really say that about much of their material up until this point...  they became devoured by the Americana that they had all ready fully explored on 'The Joshua Tree' album and it painfully shows...  yes, time for a reboot...  Achtung Baby!...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 16, 2019, 08:39:36 PM
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1. Rattle And Hum is only two albums in the Vinyl configuration. On Cassette and Compact Disc, there is just one album.
2. RIAA did not allow multiple disc, records, or CDs from an album to be counted multiple times for sales until the mid-1990s.
3. Rattle And Hum achieved triple platinum status, RIAA certified, on January 17, 1989. That's 3 million sold in the United States ALONE. In 1989, albums like The WALL by Pink Floyd or Physical Graffitti By Led Zeppelin could only be counted once for the sell of the album, not twice or more for the extra record in the package. Same with vinyl copies of Rattle And Hum. One purchase equaled one album sold.

the "vinyl configuration" still made for the bulk of sales as CD's weren't quite yet taking over...  technology was still evolving to the point where the players and the discs themselves weren't as costly, for CD's were more than double the cost of LP's when they first appeared in the mid-eighties while the players themselves weren't yet within reach of most household's budgets...  getting back to Australia (as in ARIA), if I may, there's a detail that you're conveniently overlooking in that they certify by Shipments, not Sales...  their barometer for units shipped is much less than your six digit American sales figures and yes, the 2 records count as 2 shipped...  stick to the topic of Australia here...  there's a reason why 'Rattle & Hum' appeared to outsell 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under, but you really have no hard data to back that up, do you?  that's because it didn't happen...

I have a hard time picturing a packed theatre "singing along" to 'Van Dieman's Land' & 'Heartland' back in the day, sorry...  let me guess...  they sang along to 'Where The Streets Have No Name' and 'With Or Without You'...  two songs that never appeared on the 'Rattle & Hum' album...  I won't insult your intelligence and point to which album they're from...  many copies of the album were shipped to Australia to coincide with the tour and we really have no idea exactly how many "units" were sold...

getting to the music...  there's very little innovation and originality that had laced their previous releases up until that point...  whenever I hear the intro to 'Angel of Harlem' come on the radio, I still hear Bob Dylan's 'Like A Rolling Stone' instead before I realize, "oh yeah this is U2"...  'Desire' got a "standing ovation" at your High School?!  well... it is a catchy groove and the teens cheering it on weren't old enough at the time to recognize it as Bo Diddley's signature regurgitated...  'Hawkmoon 269' & 'All I Want Is You' are yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula that was done so much better previously on the song 'Bad'...

one of the best is 'Freedom For My People' which isn't even them but full marks to them for paying homage to an unsigned brilliant musician...  'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' is top notch and a great arrangement, while 'Silver & Gold' is riveting but they're not exactly 'Rattle & Hum' songs...  I've all ready hit on the hideous cover versions which aren't worth mentioning again...  these aren't just personal opinions, they're songs directly attributed to other artists other than U2 with very little originality to them...  you can't really say that about much of their material up until this point...  they became devoured by the Americana that they had all ready fully explored on 'The Joshua Tree' album and it painfully shows...  yes, time for a reboot...  Achtung Baby!...:-)

"there's a reason why 'Rattle & Hum' appeared to outsell 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under, but you really have no hard data to back that up, do you?  that's because it didn't happen..."

Equally, you have no hard data to say it didn't.

"I have a hard time picturing a packed theatre "singing along" to 'Van Dieman's Land' & 'Heartland' back in the day, sorry..."

You seem to be forgetting Desire, All I Want is You, Angel of Harlem, When Love Comes to Town...I guess they don't fit your narrative.

"yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula"

Criticising songs because they use A-D chord progression? Seriously? I guess you'll be criticising the Beatles next? You know they used that chord progression too... And this coming from someone who can't tell the difference between Like a Rolling Stone and Desire...

Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on April 16, 2019, 09:58:30 PM
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You seem to be forgetting Desire, All I Want is You, Angel of Harlem, When Love Comes to Town...I guess they don't fit your narrative.

"yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula"

Criticising songs because they use A-D chord progression? Seriously? I guess you'll be criticising the Beatles next? You know they used that chord progression too... And this coming from someone who can't tell the difference between Like a Rolling Stone and Desire...
guess you can't read for I've commented on 3 of those four...  as for 'When Love Comes To Town'?  it don't fly without B.B. King, as the live versions without him can attest...  especially Vancouver 2015...  yikes...

as for your last statement, again either you can't read or "can't tell the difference between" 'Desire' & 'Angel of Harlem'...

it's one thing to use the same chords but you gotta do something different with it...  there's even live versions of 'Bad' where Bono starts singing 'All I Want Is You' and exposes it for the rewrite that it is...  atleast both 'Hawkmoon 269' & 'All I Want Is You' venture a little further from 'Bad' than Zooropa's 'The First Time' does, I'll give them that but they sorely lack any originality as with most of the album..

look, I don't expect anybody here to agree with me for the only ones reading/posting these days here are the hardcores...  but suspect sales figures to justify how good this record supposedly was, or high school ovations and alleged packed house sing-alongs don't sugar coat the pretentious loaf of second rate parodies that this album represents amongst their body of work...  while the film is beautifully shot and documents the fabulous Joshua Tree era nicely, the album itself lacks the innovation expected of them at the time...  they were followers here and not the same leaders that dominated most of the 80's...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on April 17, 2019, 02:52:12 AM
OK – seems to have gone off topic a bit. Given U2 have crammed I&E, E&I and JT30 tours more or less back to back in recent years, with quotes from the camp saying they’ll be taking a very well earned break makes it look like any tour this year unlikely, much as Oz and NZ deserve a long overdue visit by Bono and the boys at this stage. Add into the mix that no advertisement or ticket release have been made at this stage (to be honest, just because a fan based site rumours it, doesn’t make it true unless it comes from the horse’s mouth. U2.com seems to be tumbleweed on the issue right now).

You also have to consider the practicalities of a taking a tour down south of whatever format – Lovetown meets I&E/E&I meets JT or whatever – but the band will have to rehearse for these sets of shows, physically get themselves there plus crew  plus equipment – all eating into their publicised downtime. I’d imagine the consequence to doing this would be bouncing the ball further down for any projects they might have planned next in terms of albums. The bit of an extended break between NLOTH and SoI might seem nothing while waiting for their next album if they have to delay it to slot in an Oz/NZ tour. And by their own admittance, they’re not quick workers and appears to be quite a slog for the four of them to get and album written, rehearsed, recorded and released.

I’m trying to derail anyone’s hopes, and would be great the southern hemisphere fans get what they deserve, but I can see Christmas 2019 come and go without and U2 gigs anywhere (bar Christmas Eve here in Dublin!!)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 17, 2019, 04:37:01 AM
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1. Rattle And Hum is only two albums in the Vinyl configuration. On Cassette and Compact Disc, there is just one album.
2. RIAA did not allow multiple disc, records, or CDs from an album to be counted multiple times for sales until the mid-1990s.
3. Rattle And Hum achieved triple platinum status, RIAA certified, on January 17, 1989. That's 3 million sold in the United States ALONE. In 1989, albums like The WALL by Pink Floyd or Physical Graffitti By Led Zeppelin could only be counted once for the sell of the album, not twice or more for the extra record in the package. Same with vinyl copies of Rattle And Hum. One purchase equaled one album sold.

the "vinyl configuration" still made for the bulk of sales as CD's weren't quite yet taking over...  technology was still evolving to the point where the players and the discs themselves weren't as costly, for CD's were more than double the cost of LP's when they first appeared in the mid-eighties while the players themselves weren't yet within reach of most household's budgets...  getting back to Australia (as in ARIA), if I may, there's a detail that you're conveniently overlooking in that they certify by Shipments, not Sales...  their barometer for units shipped is much less than your six digit American sales figures and yes, the 2 records count as 2 shipped...  stick to the topic of Australia here...  there's a reason why 'Rattle & Hum' appeared to outsell 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under, but you really have no hard data to back that up, do you?  that's because it didn't happen...

I have a hard time picturing a packed theatre "singing along" to 'Van Dieman's Land' & 'Heartland' back in the day, sorry...  let me guess...  they sang along to 'Where The Streets Have No Name' and 'With Or Without You'...  two songs that never appeared on the 'Rattle & Hum' album...  I won't insult your intelligence and point to which album they're from...  many copies of the album were shipped to Australia to coincide with the tour and we really have no idea exactly how many "units" were sold...

.:-)

1. shipments of albums are based on sales of the album. Record distributers buy albums from the record company. From the bands point of view, and album shipped is an album sold. U2 are paid royalties on every album that gets shipped anywhere in the world.


2. Returns of shipments of albums are rare and only happen within the first couple of weeks of an album release. That's the only time a mistake in estimating demand is ever made. Once that small probationary window passes, the distributer has plenty of sales data to estimate and purchase what they will need to handle demand in the coming weeks.


3. In the United States back in 1988, RIAA rules did not allow for certifications of any album until at least 60 days had passed since the initial release date of the album. This was to prevent any problems with what I discussed above in #2. No one could certify and album platinum on the first day of release. Sixty days needed to pass before any certifications were made in case a mistake was made in estimating demand for a new album and distributers were still within the window to return albums they had initially purchased.


4. Rattle And Hum was released October 3, 1988 in the United States. It was certified for 2 million albums sold, double platinum on December 6, 1988 by the RIAA. On January 17, 1989, it was certified triple platinum for 3 million copies sold in the United States by the RIAA. The difference between actual sales to consumers and sales to distributers is small after that much time after an album release. Soundcan in the United States did not exist yet so the exact number would not be known, but the differences between sales to consumers and sales to distributers is small because distributers don't buy albums when there is no demand for the album. Like any business, distributers only buy product based on previous sales and do so carefully since their trying to make profit on everything they purchase. So 3 million sold in January 1989, for Rattle And Hum, in the United States as certified by RIAA, is just as real as the Joshua Tree being certified for 5 million in sales on October 6, 1988 by the RIAA, 3 days after Rattle and Hum was released.

5. Vinyl configurations stopped making up 50% or more of sales in the early 1980s. Audio Cassettes passed vinyl configurations in sales around 1982/1983. By 1988, Vinyl configurations were making up a small and declining space in any store. Joshua Tree was the first album to sell 1 million compact disc back in 1987. Over 75% of Joshua Tree's sales in 1987 came from Audio Cassette and Compact Disc. By 1988's Rattle And Hum, the figure was probably over 80% sold as Audio Cassette and Compact Disc. By 1993, less than 1% of all albums sold, were sold in Vinyl configurations.

6. But #5 does not matter since I already explained that the RIAA did not count multiple disc in a single album package for sales until 1995.

7. ARIA to my knowledge has never at any time counted multiple disc in single package for sales. Even if it did that for Rattle And Hum, it would not be enough to explain Rattle And Hums greater sales over the Joshua Tree back in the late 1980s since by then Vinyl configurations only made up a fraction of sales.

8. Joshua Tree never hit #1 in Australia. The Joshua Tree peaked at #3 in Australia. By contrast, Rattle And Hum entered at #1 on the Australian album chart in its first week of release. After one year of release, Rattle And Hum was still in the top 10 in Australia. After one year of release, Joshua Tree was not even in the top 20 in Australia. Rattle And Hum was #1 in Australia for 6 weeks. No other U2 album has spent that much time at #1 before or since!  Joshua Tree went 5 times platinum in Australia for 350,000 copies sold. Rattle And Hum went 7 times platinum for 490,000 copies sold. Its the only country in the world where Rattle And Hum outsold Joshua Tree. But it happened. The weekly charts showed that it did as does the sales figures from the ARIA.

9. As for your opinion about Rattle and Hum and its music or how original it is, good for you. Its your opinion. Its not fact like the sales data I've reported above. As for your experience of Rattle And Hum in the theater being like a bingo hall, I understand. I guess that's Victoria Canada for ya. I guess "Big Foot" would of had to make an appearance to get people out of their seats.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 17, 2019, 05:01:42 AM
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You seem to be forgetting Desire, All I Want is You, Angel of Harlem, When Love Comes to Town...I guess they don't fit your narrative.

"yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula"

Criticising songs because they use A-D chord progression? Seriously? I guess you'll be criticising the Beatles next? You know they used that chord progression too... And this coming from someone who can't tell the difference between Like a Rolling Stone and Desire...
guess you can't read for I've commented on 3 of those four...  as for 'When Love Comes To Town'?  it don't fly without B.B. King, as the live versions without him can attest...  especially Vancouver 2015...  yikes...

as for your last statement, again either you can't read or "can't tell the difference between" 'Desire' & 'Angel of Harlem'...

it's one thing to use the same chords but you gotta do something different with it...  there's even live versions of 'Bad' where Bono starts singing 'All I Want Is You' and exposes it for the rewrite that it is...  atleast both 'Hawkmoon 269' & 'All I Want Is You' venture a little further from 'Bad' than Zooropa's 'The First Time' does, I'll give them that but they sorely lack any originality as with most of the album..

look, I don't expect anybody here to agree with me for the only ones reading/posting these days here are the hardcores...  but suspect sales figures to justify how good this record supposedly was, or high school ovations and alleged packed house sing-alongs don't sugar coat the pretentious loaf of second rate parodies that this album represents amongst their body of work...  while the film is beautifully shot and documents the fabulous Joshua Tree era nicely, the album itself lacks the innovation expected of them at the time...  they were followers here and not the same leaders that dominated most of the 80's...:-)

Sorry, but your opinion on the music of Rattle And Hum pales in comparison to the factual sales data on he album. There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet and they all have different opinions about everything. Your unique opinion on Rattle And Hum is just one of those. The FACT that Rattle And HUM made it to #1 in Australia, was in the top 10 after year of release vs Joshua Tree peaking at #3 in Australia and not being in the top 20 after a year of release is what is significant here. Rattle And Hum was #1 for six weeks in Australia. No other U2 album has been at number one in Australia that long before or since! Also significant is the fact that Rattle And Hum sold 490,000 copies compared to 350,000 for Joshua Tree back in the 1980s.

Rattle And Hum and the Lovetown Tour are very special in Australia. I'm sorry you don't realize that when presented with the factual data. If U2 does tour at the end of the year in Australia, it will likely be a tour that will feature a special nod to Rattle And Hum and the Lovetown Tour.

Just to put the cherry on top, here is a cool film about U2's Lovetown Tour in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYSqa0RxDT0
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Tortuga on April 17, 2019, 06:05:45 AM
You guys are debating two entirely different things.  Album sales do not prove an album was “good”, only that it was popular.  Likewise, positive or negative critical opinions don’t prove that an album was popular or unpopular.  You both just keep repeating your cases, neither of which are linked one to the other.


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Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 17, 2019, 09:28:21 AM
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You guys are debating two entirely different things.  Album sales do not prove an album was “good”, only that it was popular.  Likewise, positive or negative critical opinions don’t prove that an album was popular or unpopular.  You both just keep repeating your cases, neither of which are linked one to the other.


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Actually that is incorrect. Billy made claims about Rattle And Hum's sales in both Australia and the United States that were factually incorrect. I corrected those claims with factual sales data in both countries, as well as Album Chart data from Australia for both Joshua Tree and Rattle And Hum. Billy disputes the fact that Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. I've provided overwhelming evidence that it is in fact U2's best selling album in Australia.

I've never made any serious claims about the quality of Rattle And Hum vs any other U2 albums. My point has been demonstrate how special Rattle And Hum and the Love Town Tour both were to Australia. The sales data indicates that the album is rather special in Australia, more so than it was anywhere else. This increases the likely hood that a tour, if it happens, at the end of 2019 in Australia, will likely emphasize the Rattle And Hum/Love Town Tour phase of U2's career from 30 years ago.

Again, were talking about a tour here and where U2 would tour and what might be emphasized on the tour. U2's album sales in Australia are very relevant to if they will tour and how they will tour Australia.

What I or Billy thinks about the Rattle And Hum album in terms of how original it is and the quality of it is completely irrelevant to whether U2 will do a tour later in the year that has a setlist with emphasis towards songs from Rattle And Hum.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 17, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
Just to add a little more about the success of Rattle And Hum over Joshua Tree in Australia, lets take a look at how the singles from each album did in Australia:

Joshua Tree:
With Or Without You: peaked at #9
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For: peaked at #17
Where The Streets Have No Name: did NOT make the top 20
In God's Country: did NOT make the top 20

Rattle And Hum:
Desire: peaked at #1
Angel Of Harlem: peaked at #18
When Love Comes To Town: peaked at #23
All I Want Is You: peaked at #2

               So this is another area that shows the Rattle And Hum album clearly beating Joshua Tree in Australia.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 18, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
Geez. People have been banned for derailed threads more relevant than this....!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on April 18, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
Dont really care about statistics or chord progressions, my ears and mind like songs off Rattle and Hum, that is all I care about.  I still really enjoy Angel of Harlem and All I want is you among others.  Would like to see them played if they ever come to Oz.  Maybe they come maybe they don't who knows.  Not overly expecting it.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 18, 2019, 01:03:36 PM
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Geez. People have been banned for derailed threads more relevant than this....!

Indeed - and the thread is being carefully watched I can assure you...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: MattD on April 18, 2019, 07:03:55 PM
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Geez. People have been banned for derailed threads more relevant than this....!

Just make sure you don’t criticise Donald Trump, that will really rile the mods....
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 18, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
The boring whining derailing brigade.

More than half the month is over. Looking less likely for any U2 activity this year. Place bets now!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on April 18, 2019, 10:37:11 PM
Well I don't really see why April has to be the month that determines whether there is a U2 tour in November/December of this year. I think they could wait until August to announce it. I think they are resting at the moment and keeping their options open. I sense they would prefer to wait longer rather than being locked into something so far in advance. A situation where they could cancel the whole thing in late July if they decide to for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 19, 2019, 01:08:48 AM
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Geez. People have been banned for derailed threads more relevant than this....!

Just make sure you don’t criticise Donald Trump, that will really rile the mods....

Oh so below the belt  ;D
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: podiumboy on April 19, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
u2songs claim that the tour is going to be announced towards the end of the month.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on April 22, 2019, 07:51:32 AM
I'm remaining hopeful.  The small matter of Easter weekend gets in the way of late April.  Maybe in the next week or so we will hear more.
(I was sarky about 'small' matter of Easter.  It's a big thing and Bono and I along with many millions more observe it).
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on April 22, 2019, 05:11:36 PM
Yes. The corporate money gougers of LiveNation also pay strict observance of easter.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 23, 2019, 03:40:36 PM
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Yes. The corporate money gougers of LiveNation also pay strict observance of easter.

In the sense that half the country is off on holidays over Easter and ANZAC Day this week and therefore won't be paying attention to any tour announcements, then yes, they do pay strict observance of Easter!

Other than one fan website, there isn't the slightest hint of U2 touring anywhere this year...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on April 24, 2019, 12:36:14 AM
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Other than one fan website, there isn't the slightest hint of U2 touring anywhere this year...
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Announcement: U2 are doing a twelve year every city in the world tour starting and finishing in Dublin this Friday. Tickets on sale at midnight tonight. They will take no breaks and no albums will be made in this time due to time constraints.

There you are. Another announcement on a fan site that isn’t announced anywhere else. Must be official. 😊
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Mr Peabody on April 24, 2019, 07:10:04 AM
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Other than one fan website, there isn't the slightest hint of U2 touring anywhere this year...

There was discussion on radio and in newspapers down here around the difficulty Elton John’s people were having in securing premium accommodation in Sydney for their entourage due to U2 having booked up several mansions in Sydney around the same time as his scheduled tour dates. That’s an alternative source. Forgive us for getting excited down here....it’s been a long wait....
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 24, 2019, 07:17:57 AM
Mr P - beat me to it.

Exactly. It's not one source.

You have 2 very reputable fan sites, plus local news plus radio.

If it doesn't happen, it probably means it has fallen through rather than was never happening.

I can say first hand that an Auckland hotel chain told me "prices are high as there is a big concert in Auckland" on the rumoured dates.

Planning is happening, whether it bears fruit remains to be seen.

But let us get excited.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on April 24, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
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1. Rattle And Hum is only two albums in the Vinyl configuration. On Cassette and Compact Disc, there is just one album.
2. RIAA did not allow multiple disc, records, or CDs from an album to be counted multiple times for sales until the mid-1990s.
3. Rattle And Hum achieved triple platinum status, RIAA certified, on January 17, 1989. That's 3 million sold in the United States ALONE. In 1989, albums like The WALL by Pink Floyd or Physical Graffitti By Led Zeppelin could only be counted once for the sell of the album, not twice or more for the extra record in the package. Same with vinyl copies of Rattle And Hum. One purchase equaled one album sold.

the "vinyl configuration" still made for the bulk of sales as CD's weren't quite yet taking over...  technology was still evolving to the point where the players and the discs themselves weren't as costly, for CD's were more than double the cost of LP's when they first appeared in the mid-eighties while the players themselves weren't yet within reach of most household's budgets...  getting back to Australia (as in ARIA), if I may, there's a detail that you're conveniently overlooking in that they certify by Shipments, not Sales...  their barometer for units shipped is much less than your six digit American sales figures and yes, the 2 records count as 2 shipped...  stick to the topic of Australia here...  there's a reason why 'Rattle & Hum' appeared to outsell 'The Joshua Tree' Down Under, but you really have no hard data to back that up, do you?  that's because it didn't happen...

I have a hard time picturing a packed theatre "singing along" to 'Van Dieman's Land' & 'Heartland' back in the day, sorry...  let me guess...  they sang along to 'Where The Streets Have No Name' and 'With Or Without You'...  two songs that never appeared on the 'Rattle & Hum' album...  I won't insult your intelligence and point to which album they're from...  many copies of the album were shipped to Australia to coincide with the tour and we really have no idea exactly how many "units" were sold...

getting to the music...  there's very little innovation and originality that had laced their previous releases up until that point...  whenever I hear the intro to 'Angel of Harlem' come on the radio, I still hear Bob Dylan's 'Like A Rolling Stone' instead before I realize, "oh yeah this is U2"...  'Desire' got a "standing ovation" at your High School?!  well... it is a catchy groove and the teens cheering it on weren't old enough at the time to recognize it as Bo Diddley's signature regurgitated...  'Hawkmoon 269' & 'All I Want Is You' are yet more songs written around the same A to D chord formula that was done so much better previously on the song 'Bad'...

one of the best is 'Freedom For My People' which isn't even them but full marks to them for paying homage to an unsigned brilliant musician...  'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' is top notch and a great arrangement, while 'Silver & Gold' is riveting but they're not exactly 'Rattle & Hum' songs...  I've all ready hit on the hideous cover versions which aren't worth mentioning again...  these aren't just personal opinions, they're songs directly attributed to other artists other than U2 with very little originality to them...  you can't really say that about much of their material up until this point...  they became devoured by the Americana that they had all ready fully explored on 'The Joshua Tree' album and it painfully shows...  yes, time for a reboot...  Achtung Baby!...:-)

I have liked Rattle & Hum for a long time but when I started playing guitar I realized just how simple those songs on the album are to play. AIWIY, Love Rescue Me, Desire are all the stuff of genius and simpleton at the same time.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 25, 2019, 03:53:14 PM
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Mr P - beat me to it.

Exactly. It's not one source.

You have 2 very reputable fan sites, plus local news plus radio.

If it doesn't happen, it probably means it has fallen through rather than was never happening.

I can say first hand that an Auckland hotel chain told me "prices are high as there is a big concert in Auckland" on the rumoured dates.

Planning is happening, whether it bears fruit remains to be seen.

But let us get excited.

My mistake. It's one fan site reporting on another fan site. And a one newspaper with a reputation for making stuff up regularly.

But sure - believe it if you want to! I live in Australia and would LOVE for the band to tour - we've been stiffed for way too many tours now. But I'll believe a tour is happening when I see it announced on U2.com
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Mr Peabody on April 25, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
And let’s not forget that the Edge said they’re coming. A source from the horse’s mouth...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on April 25, 2019, 04:44:30 PM
Indeed U2.com is the best source. But the atu2 rumour came from our own contacts not via another website. That all said the proof will be in the pudding (if there is one!)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on April 25, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
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And let’s not forget that the Edge said they’re coming. A source from the horse’s mouth...

Did he say when they're coming? Or was it some variation on that old chestnut - "we can't wait to get to [insert name of country] and are doing everything we can to get shows locked in"? For example: https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/u2-absolutely-bringing-joshua-tree-anniversary-tour-australia/#/slide/1 (https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/u2-absolutely-bringing-joshua-tree-anniversary-tour-australia/#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Tortuga on April 25, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
I’m curious, does Hawaii also have trouble getting shows from big acts?

What I don’t understand is why so many artists insist on touring with this big production.  I work right by a 20k seat venue and nearly every show is accompanied by 30 or 40 semi trucks.  Is the music not enough for people anymore?  I would love to see U2 do a stripped back show without all the multimedia BS.  Granted, you need some screens so people can see, but not all the gimmicky stuff U2 insists on having these days.  Why can’t they just fly down there with their instruments and use local equipment?  I’m sure Australian fans would rather have that than nothing.


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Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on April 27, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
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I’m curious, does Hawaii also have trouble getting shows from big acts?

What I don’t understand is why so many artists insist on touring with this big production.  I work right by a 20k seat venue and nearly every show is accompanied by 30 or 40 semi trucks.  Is the music not enough for people anymore?  I would love to see U2 do a stripped back show without all the multimedia BS.  Granted, you need some screens so people can see, but not all the gimmicky stuff U2 insists on having these days.  Why can’t they just fly down there with their instruments and use local equipment?  I’m sure Australian fans would rather have that than nothing.


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Yep I would prefer a stripped back show, just the band and their music. 
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on April 27, 2019, 08:17:50 PM
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And let’s not forget that the Edge said they’re coming. A source from the horse’s mouth...

Did he say when they're coming? Or was it some variation on that old chestnut - "we can't wait to get to [insert name of country] and are doing everything we can to get shows locked in"? For example: https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/u2-absolutely-bringing-joshua-tree-anniversary-tour-australia/#/slide/1 (https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/u2-absolutely-bringing-joshua-tree-anniversary-tour-australia/#/slide/1)
"unfortunately it's partly the distance and all that stuff but we absolutely are coming"

(right before bono poured cold water on any definitives...)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: johno11 on May 06, 2019, 06:06:16 AM
Tour will be announced by end of this month. Aus/NZ in November.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 06, 2019, 06:58:59 AM
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Tour will be announced by end of this month. Aus/NZ in November.

Have you a source for that or was it U2songs?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 06, 2019, 03:49:14 PM
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Tour will be announced by end of this month. Aus/NZ in November.

It's the same source of the rumours as usual - U2songs. The latest reason for the tour not being announced yet is the forthcoming federal election. Seems a pretty weird reason to me, but I guess we'll see. The other tidbit about the tour is that Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds will be the support act.

Have you a source for that or was it U2songs?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 08, 2019, 04:00:16 PM
Over at interference.com, they are saying sometime after the Australian election on May 18. So I guess will see what happens in late May/early June.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 08, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
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Over at interference.com, they are saying sometime after the Australian election on May 18. So I guess will see what happens in late May/early June.
Which is exactly what was said here 3 posts ago...!
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Post by: singnomore on May 08, 2019, 07:06:20 PM
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Over at interference.com, they are saying sometime after the Australian election on May 18. So I guess will see what happens in late May/early June.
Which is exactly what was said here 3 posts ago...!

Which I suspect was taken from U2songs  ;D
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 08, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
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Over at interference.com, they are saying sometime after the Australian election on May 18. So I guess will see what happens in late May/early June.
Which is exactly what was said here 3 posts ago...!

Which I suspect was taken from U2songs  ;D

Which is my point - there's actually very little real evidence of any of this being true...;)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Mopras on May 10, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
India in December 2019 is what I'm hearing from a source.
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Post by: singnomore on May 10, 2019, 02:18:50 PM
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India in December 2019 is what I'm hearing from a source.

That source being?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: stumpy on May 11, 2019, 07:30:47 PM
I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 12, 2019, 08:14:11 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.

Yeah, they did say that. But assuming the alleged tour dates are legit, it will have been a year since the band's last tour dates . That's probably enough time for the "we are having a break" argument to be a fair one. If it's just Aus/NZ/Asia it's probably going to be a reasonably short tour...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on May 13, 2019, 03:27:11 AM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.

Yeah, they did say that. But assuming the alleged tour dates are legit, it will have been a year since the band's last tour dates . That's probably enough time for the "we are having a break" argument to be a fair one. If it's just Aus/NZ/Asia it's probably going to be a reasonably short tour...

So, if U2 are playing even a short tour at the end of the year, they just turn up without rehearsals, discussions on set list or presentation? There's months or work involved by the band alone before they as much as set foot on a plane to Aus/NZ/Asia. In that instance, their long enough break would be quite quite short
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: laoghaire on May 13, 2019, 08:57:04 AM
Rehearsals will take a week, no big deal. Also, they will be easier rehearsals than for the last three tours as they've already figured out arrangements for the songs. They might have a new song - Bang a Gong cover? - but not an album of new songs.

Set list discussions are also not a big deal. I mean, a year off, they can handle a couple of conference calls or whatever.

Presentation stuff is Wllie's job and I bet they will reuse a lot. Bono might have some new ideas but he will enjoy it. Sure, they will approve it, but it's not hundreds of hours of work for the band to approve Wllie's work that will reuse a lot of already-approved stuff. Larry will just make sure it doesn't completely cross the line for him and that's it.

So while it's true that - if this tour will actually happen - work would already be happening months prior, the band's involvement will hardly be onerous. A few conference calls, looking at a few mockups. Bono having ideas is Bono in his natural state anyway. Yes, rehearsals, but easier ones this time, only a week or less, plenty of extra time each day to sightsee or chill.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 13, 2019, 03:07:50 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.
Just a question, but throughout history have we EVER been able to take what the band say as gospel?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 13, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.

I didn't hear the band was suffering from any physical conditions due to age. Their fans might be considering that 40% to 50% of them were sitting down at the shows. But the band, they look in top form. Just as explosive and fun as they were over 25 years ago. Remember, they are in their 50s not their 80s, plus this is not professional football.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 13, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.

Yeah, they did say that. But assuming the alleged tour dates are legit, it will have been a year since the band's last tour dates . That's probably enough time for the "we are having a break" argument to be a fair one. If it's just Aus/NZ/Asia it's probably going to be a reasonably short tour...

So, if U2 are playing even a short tour at the end of the year, they just turn up without rehearsals, discussions on set list or presentation? There's months or work involved by the band alone before they as much as set foot on a plane to Aus/NZ/Asia. In that instance, their long enough break would be quite quite short

They are professional musicians, so I'm guessing they play/practice individually regularly. So then it's just a matter of rehearsing as a band in a studio for a week to run through songs. Then another week rehearsing 'on set'. Working on a set list can be done via email sitting round the pool in their houses in the south of France at anytime. All the other stuff would be crew/management responsibility.

Let's face it - they've had six months off already. A quick tour at the end of the year is a chance to blow the cobwebs out from a 'playing together' perspective before heading back into the studio early next year perhaps?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Tortuga on May 13, 2019, 07:37:11 PM
Nobody here knows anything about their health or state of mind or interest level in a mini tour in the pac rim.  So this is all just speculation.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 14, 2019, 12:05:16 AM
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Nobody here knows anything about their health or state of mind or interest level in a mini tour in the pac rim.  So this is all just speculation.

Which is why the thread title starts off with "Rumour".
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on May 14, 2019, 03:32:46 AM
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So while it's true that - if this tour will actually happen - work would already be happening months prior, the band's involvement will hardly be onerous.

Maybe I over generalised, but It's not just the band setting a few amps up on the back of a truck. Nor is it just a matter of Bono ringing into the office asking to book hotels and venues for the following three weeks in Sydney, and asking Willy to slap something together in a week. Followed by Edge texting the lads a rough setlist on his way to the airport. The whole U2 machine takes time to rumble into a tour. And they were never any good at playing on the fly (no pun intended) - they're not versatile enough to do a Bruce Sprinsteen and basically do a full gig of audience requests. They have an arch to a show, with a bit of wiggle room to add and remove songs on a particular tour. This is primarily to do with their capacity to improvise, Edge's effects settings, and the visuals on screen which don't allow for too much wiggle room. This all requires work by both the band and support act further than bashing though I Will Follow once or twice in a rehearsal room. But let's step away from this..

Anyway, let's not get caught up on Bono and the boys stating they needed a good break, and us giving them six months and now telling them to get off their asses, nor on prepping for the gig.

There seems a severe lack of hype on this almost wishlist tour from the band. In fact, it sounds like they ARE taking that break and being exceptionally quiet overall. Adam chatting on Irish TV, Edge photographed in his capacity as a Director of a Company in the US. Bono just generally getting photographed buying the newspaper or whatever
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Post by: Tortuga on May 14, 2019, 04:52:50 AM
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Nobody here knows anything about their health or state of mind or interest level in a mini tour in the pac rim.  So this is all just speculation.

Which is why the thread title starts off with "Rumour".

Speculation and rumors are two entirely different things.  A rumor is a piece of information coming from someone who supposedly has some inside source of information from the band.  This has turned into people pretending they are inside the heads of the band and rationalizing why they are going or not going to do this tour.  Speculation is even less reliable than rumors.


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Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 14, 2019, 06:22:39 AM
Wow we really have run out of things to argue about now.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on May 14, 2019, 07:07:44 AM
haha..... em, I really don't like Adam's hairstyle....... discuss (jumps under table)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 14, 2019, 07:21:47 AM
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Nobody here knows anything about their health or state of mind or interest level in a mini tour in the pac rim.  So this is all just speculation.

Which is why the thread title starts off with "Rumour".

Speculation and rumors are two entirely different things.  A rumor is a piece of information coming from someone who supposedly has some inside source of information from the band.  This has turned into people pretending they are inside the heads of the band and rationalizing why they are going or not going to do this tour.  Speculation is even less reliable than rumors.


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True, but a thread with the title rumor in the title naturally turns into a thread of speculation. I mean what exactly is discussed in a rumor thread that is NOT speculation.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Gazoon on May 14, 2019, 10:49:41 AM
Would seem odd for them not to promote their new music in these countries. It'd seem like a missed opportunity to do so. Up until the JT tour, U2 have mostly been moving forward instead of looking back in terms of their music catologue
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: dwaltman on May 14, 2019, 11:39:38 AM
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haha..... em, I really don't like Adam's hairstyle....... discuss (jumps under table)

I think he has the best hairstyle of them all.  Larry has the same style since 1980.  Edge doesn't have a hairstyle (unless you count beanie vs. baseball cap) and Bono, well...not even sure what the hell that is, when your hairstyle looks better when wearing a top hat, then you need something new.  People say U2 is uncool....it's all because of Bono's hair.  But Adam?  He's taken a page from David Byrne's book on aging graciously as a rock star.

Please come out from under the table.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: stumpy on May 14, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.
Just a question, but throughout history have we EVER been able to take what the band say as gospel?

That's a good question. They certainly have a renown, well known, reputation for people not taking anything they say as gospel (especially Bono). As the Elevation Tour wrapped up in 2001 pretty sure I remember similar rumours/specution on interference (and TrippleM radio Melbourne) that they were coming to Australia.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 14, 2019, 10:03:27 PM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.
Just a question, but throughout history have we EVER been able to take what the band say as gospel?

That's a good question. They certainly have a renown, well known, reputation for people not taking anything they say as gospel (especially Bono). As the Elevation Tour wrapped up in 2001 pretty sure I remember similar rumours/specution on interference (and TrippleM radio Melbourne) that they were coming to Australia.

I think sometimes the situation is that the band (or at least their representatives) are in negotiations with an Australian tour promoter when asked as to whether they're touring or not. Their answers are usually along the lines of "we're trying..." - which is technically true. But sometimes the negotiations fail and it looks like the band has misled their fans.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: stumpy on May 15, 2019, 01:59:49 AM
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I don't get where all the hype from these aledged reliable official sources is coming from. From memory I thought the bands statement after the previous tour is that they are taking a break from touring due to physical conditions impacted by age and the need for some time for themselves.
Just a question, but throughout history have we EVER been able to take what the band say as gospel?

That's a good question. They certainly have a renown, well known, reputation for people not taking anything they say as gospel (especially Bono). As the Elevation Tour wrapped up in 2001 pretty sure I remember similar rumours/specution on interference (and TrippleM radio Melbourne) that they were coming to Australia.

I think sometimes the situation is that the band (or at least their representatives) are in negotiations with an Australian tour promoter when asked as to whether they're touring or not. Their answers are usually along the lines of "we're trying..." - which is technically true. But sometimes the negotiations fail and it looks like the band has misled their fans.

They are a multi-talented band. Smooth operators when it comes to business and money, but also gifted in other areas like giving vague answers so they are on safe ground. Bono has also certainly mastered the art-form of creating new album descriptions.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 15, 2019, 04:48:44 AM
Driving home from work today and the guy hosting the drive home session said that there would be a huge announcement from U2 on Monday.  He is an older guy ( same age as U2) with a lot of connections in the industry and his daughter is married to the drummer of some American band who's name currently escapes me.

No idea what it could be so add that to the rumours!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 15, 2019, 05:06:18 AM
Which station?
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Post by: summerholly on May 15, 2019, 05:15:03 AM
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Which station?

Tripple M
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 15, 2019, 05:36:33 AM
OK. Not buying that. Mick Molloy is the drive host and has twin boys. Hope you're right but this one doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 15, 2019, 05:48:22 AM
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OK. Not buying that. Mick Molloy is the drive host and has twin boys. Hope you're right but this one doesn't add up.

You dont have to buy it lol I dont care! I am not in the habit of making stuff up lol too old for that sh**e! There are a number of tripple M stations across Australia and even across the state. Cliff Reeve is the drive host.  I looked on their FB page but no mention.  Guess will have to wait till Monday, mind you I only listen to the radio driving to work and back so could miss.

You could ask him on Twitter!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 15, 2019, 05:55:03 AM
Hey chill, I hope you're right! I reckon you might be... Just didn't line up as drive is national but thanks for the info.

Edit...ohhhh WA!

That's a whole different country.

Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 15, 2019, 06:06:07 AM
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Hey chill, I hope you're right! I reckon you might be... Just didn't line up as drive is national but thanks for the info.

Edit...ohhhh WA!

That's a whole different country.

Thanks for sharing


Umm extremely irritating day at work and in no mood for feeling chilled lol.  Yep whole different country sometimes.  Cliff seems pretty reliable but who knows could be something entirely unrelated to a tour but he did indicate it was huge! and he is right era to be a fan.  On cue U2 just came on my ipod rotation must be a sign lol
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 15, 2019, 06:07:26 AM
Consistent with Wil Anderson and Eddie McGuire mentioning a few weeks back, same network...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 15, 2019, 06:25:13 AM
Maybe waiting untill Monday so they don't distract people from the dreaded Federal election lol!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 15, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Chat is being picked up similar to this info via @atu2 channels but after the last time...we’ll who knows..
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: zedg on May 16, 2019, 06:06:49 AM
GUYS. I was trying to see if I could find a page with the details already online..
FOUND!
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/u2

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Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on May 16, 2019, 07:01:27 AM
love the photo...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 16, 2019, 07:21:40 AM
the latest from U2songs site:

"Evidence continues to pour in that the announcement will be next week for the U2 tour of New Zealand, Australia and Asia. We are told by multiple sources that the announcement is likely to be Monday morning. One source has shared that the announcement will be early in the morning Australia time.

The tour is expected to visit the following cities: Auckland, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Perth, Singapore, Tokyo and Seoul. Both Singapore and Seoul, if announced, are new cities that U2 has not previously visited. The tour will take place in larger outdoor stadiums, and a small number of large indoor venues. The opening act is expected to be Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds for these shows. Although multiple shows are rumoured for Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth and Tokyo, only the first show in each city will be announced with the formal announcement, with the second shows only being announced if sales meet expectations. The tour is expected to run from November 8 into early December.

Although we’ve been told for a number of months that the band would not call this tour “The Joshua Tree Tour,” more recent information has again brought up the possibility that the tour may be branded “The Joshua Tree Tour” in some way. All along we have been told that The Joshua Tree would be a focus again, and that those songs would likely be reintroduced for this tour, and some components of the 2017 staging would be used. It is unclear however, if the band would intend to do the full album from the information we have received. We should know the exact name of the tour, and whether or not it is branded “The Joshua Tree Tour”, as well as the full details of concert dates next week. "

https://www.u2songs.com/news/rumours_nz_australia_asia_u2_tour_in_2019
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 07:22:30 AM
Already leaked. Check ticketmaster site above.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 07:32:26 AM
At least Ticketbastard is only doing NZ, Melbourne & Perth. I'd assume Sydney is Ticketek again.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 07:47:47 AM
Scg not Olympic Park is a great result.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 07:56:54 AM
SCG? Where did you read that? I'd seen a post from a new user on U2start, who probably got it from a FB post.

But has there been anything official, or close to it? I hope so, but if there's nothing like that is be assuming it's ANZ again.

Please be the SCG!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: zedg on May 16, 2019, 08:10:38 AM
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SCG? Where did you read that? I'd seen a post from a new user on U2start, who probably got it from a FB post.

But has there been anything official, or close to it? I hope so, but if there's nothing like that is be assuming it's ANZ again.

Please be the SCG!

Rumour dates were posted on 'U2 Australia' FB page today.
Right after I saw these dates I went searching for an 'accessible' page online and found the Ticketmaster page/link.


We have been sent the following tour dates by two sources.

November 8, 9 - Auckland - Mt. Smart Stadium

November 12 - Brisbane - Suncorp Stadium

November 15, 16 - Melbourne - Marvel Stadium

November 19 - Adelaide - Adelaide Oval

November 22, 23 - Sydney - Sydney Cricket Ground

November 27 and add 28th - Perth - Optus Stadium

November 30 and add December 1st - Singapore - National Stadium

December 4, 5 - Tokyo - Saitama Super Arena

December 8 and add 9th - Seoul - Gocheok Sky Dome
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 08:51:50 AM
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SCG? Where did you read that? I'd seen a post from a new user on U2start, who probably got it from a FB post.

But has there been anything official, or close to it? I hope so, but if there's nothing like that is be assuming it's ANZ again.

Please be the SCG!

Rumour dates were posted on 'U2 Australia' FB page today.
Right after I saw these dates I went searching for an 'accessible' page online and found the Ticketmaster page/link.


We have been sent the following tour dates by two sources.

November 8, 9 - Auckland - Mt. Smart Stadium

November 12 - Brisbane - Suncorp Stadium

November 15, 16 - Melbourne - Marvel Stadium

November 19 - Adelaide - Adelaide Oval

November 22, 23 - Sydney - Sydney Cricket Ground

November 27 and add 28th - Perth - Optus Stadium

November 30 and add December 1st - Singapore - National Stadium

December 4, 5 - Tokyo - Saitama Super Arena

December 8 and add 9th - Seoul - Gocheok Sky Dome

But the Ticketmaster pages you've seen have only shown the 3 Ticketmaster venues (Auckland, Melbourne & Perth) haven't they?

I don't think the FB page is legit. I think it's just taken existing rumours, & filled in the blanks.

Unless there's scheduling conflicts I'd definitely expect ANZ stadium to be used in Sydney (unfortunately). It was supposed to be renovated, but that has been delayed until 2020. Metallica will play there in October 2019, Queen in Feb 2020. U2's last two Sydney tours occurred at ANZ.

U2start also believe there's another error in that FB page. Not sure if that is dates or venues. But Perth date looks wrong. 3 free days before Perth, one free day after (unlikely)!

I'd expect both Tokyo & Seoul are correct venues (they need to be large indoor venues for winter), but have no real idea about Singapore, but it looks good. Not sure if Suncorp is available (they have limited concerts there), but I hope so. Expect Adelaide would use Adelaide Oval.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 16, 2019, 03:53:00 PM
Sydney Cricket Ground? That's not great news for fans. It's a circular field (as opposed to a 'normal' rectangular football field), which means seats in the stands are much further away from the field (or stage in the case of concerts).

Assuming this rumour is true, I'm guessing they've chosen the smaller capacity stadium due to fears of lower ticket sales (the SCG has a 48k capacity, compared to ANZ's 83k) than the last time they toured.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
Given what has been 'released' and now taken down I think you can assume the venues are legit with Sydney being the one with question marks

Ticketmaster listed 3 ticketmaster venues - Mt smart, Marvel and optus Stadiums.

Suncorp and Adelaide Oval are ticketek venues.

Interestingly so is ANZ in Sydney, and although it's booked for Queen in Feb it was originally slated for redevelopment from late 2019...maybe that led to the scg decision although ultimately not necessary...

Who knows.

Or maybe the SCG is wrong. Maybe the dates are wrong too. Guess we'll find out on monday
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
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Sydney Cricket Ground? That's not great news for fans. It's a circular field (as opposed to a 'normal' rectangular football field), which means seats in the stands are much further away from the field (or stage in the case of concerts).

Assuming this rumour is true, I'm guessing they've chosen the smaller capacity stadium due to fears of lower ticket sales (the SCG has a 48k capacity, compared to ANZ's 83k) than the last time they toured.

I'll be in GA, I'd love it to be the SCG. But yeah, not great for the majority of the crowd, who are in seats.

Although I'm 99% sure the SCG rumour is false. The SCG is not required now, as the ANZ refurb has been postponed. U2 sold around 200,000 tickets in Sydney for each of the last two tours to reach our shores. Two shows at the SGC will fall FAR short of demand, probably below half of what they could sell. Even two shows at ANZ may be short of demand (2 x 70,000 for an end-of-field stage design).

U2Songs who have many, many sources, have never listed the SCG as a venue. No other evidence has appeared either. Just a list of venues that is doing the rounds on FB. Fake list in my books, just (incorrectly) filling in the blanks left by U2songs.

Not long until we have an answer 😁
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 07:16:52 PM
The more I think about it the more I reckon you're on to something. The Perth dates seem late and run into the Asian dates a bit too much
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 16, 2019, 08:15:00 PM
Especially because of International travel. Perth is right on the ocean.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 08:22:50 PM
Perth to Singapore is close... But not that close...!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Billy Rhythm on May 16, 2019, 10:03:25 PM
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Perth to Singapore is close... But not that close...!
don't you mean to say Faraway, So Close!...:-)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
A little birdy just told me that it is indeed at the SCG! Very confusing, maybe there are scheduling conflicts. No way demand will be met with two shows!

In any case, if it's true, it's great news for tourists coming to see the show & the city, & those of us that live close to the coast. Just not those in seats, which will be miles away, as the SCG is a large cricket oval.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 16, 2019, 10:16:32 PM
And not in that part of Sydney that always seems closer to Perth...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 16, 2019, 10:44:27 PM
Haha, so true. I always feel like I'm in the outback, in the desert, while I'm baking in that GA line.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: touringband on May 17, 2019, 02:27:35 AM
Looks like Brisbane will have the best seating in Australia as its the only rectangular field they're playing on.  All the others are huge ovals.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 17, 2019, 02:29:31 AM
If you stand though, same same
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 17, 2019, 03:05:45 AM
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Perth to Singapore is close... But not that close...!

About 5 and1/4 hours flight time to Singapore so not much difference to flying Perth to Sydney
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: skelter on May 17, 2019, 07:21:16 AM
I cannot believe it's true. They won't photoshoot in the "desert" if there was no tour happening this year. Esp not Larry haha.

First time in their whole career (43 years?) They are playing Singapore and Seoul.

Maybr jick will come back to the forum.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 17, 2019, 09:30:28 AM
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I cannot believe it's true. They won't photoshoot in the "desert" if there was no tour happening this year. Esp not Larry haha.

First time in their whole career (43 years?) They are playing Singapore and Seoul.

Maybr jick will come back to the forum.

The goal has always been Seoul.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: habib2343 on May 17, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
not sure whether this has been covered but are people getting confused by what seems to be a u2 tribute act called joshua tree doing gigs in Australia ?

https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/the-joshua-tree-tickets/artist/1301782


I really hope I am wrong and Monday will see the release of new u2 dates.....if it is true, fans over there are so so lucky...joshua tree shows here in London were fantastic....
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 17, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Hehe. Well if that tribute act is playing a 60,000 seat stadium, good luck to them, but no. I don't think we are.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: november rain on May 17, 2019, 11:57:42 PM
super excited about this, been waiting a long time for them to head down under. Saw them at western springs in circa 91/92, Mt smart for 360 and the HTDAAB tour.
Hope it happens - will drag my kids along who have been listening to U2 since they were born, now they are teenagers are are also looking forward to seeing them live!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 19, 2019, 04:18:52 AM
Fingers crossed this is all happening. I moved from the UK to NZ in 2016 and thought I'd missed my chance at a Joshua Tree tour and hearing Exit live.

Just checked flights from Christchurch to Auckland on the rumoured dates and they're already a little more expensive than usual.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 19, 2019, 04:40:18 AM
Yeah accommodation those 2 nights has been blown out for a while in auckland
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Gavin82 on May 19, 2019, 11:09:05 AM
Im sure this is happening for you guys down under & very happy for you its been 10 years enjoy it people
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 19, 2019, 03:24:37 PM
Although I've heard rumblings of another possible delay to the announcement 😂 Even if Asia is delayed, hopefully we get an announcement for NZ/Oz this morning
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 19, 2019, 03:33:32 PM
An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 19, 2019, 04:05:55 PM
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An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.

Which Radio Station is this please?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 19, 2019, 04:15:28 PM
Triple m perth
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 19, 2019, 04:42:25 PM
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Triple m perth

Cool, they've just gained one listener.  8)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 19, 2019, 04:47:29 PM
May not be worth it.

Sounds like yet another delay
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 19, 2019, 05:21:18 PM
Right now, 9:20 AM in Sydney Australia
                 7:20 AM in Perth Australia

No sign of an announcement yet.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 19, 2019, 05:31:06 PM
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May not be worth it.

Sounds like yet another delay

 ::)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 19, 2019, 05:41:30 PM
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May not be worth it.

Sounds like yet another delay

yep, you'd expect they'd want it on the breakfast tv shows, & the drive to work, for people in the east coast. But the way this announcement is going, you never know 😂 Though this delay isn't a big deal. Means nothing to the average casual, just us crazy fans
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 19, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
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May not be worth it.

Sounds like yet another delay

yep, you'd expect they'd want it on the breakfast tv shows, & the drive to work, for people in the east coast. But the way this announcement is going, you never know 😂 Though this delay isn't a big deal. Means nothing to the average casual, just us crazy fans

Perhaps it will be Monday May 27th for the announcement. Since things were seen on ticketmaster sites, I don't think this is a hoax. Another idea is that this is deliberate, to wake up the die hard's who then wake up the casuals. Once they get the critical mass they want, then the announcement comes, followed a week later by general ticket on sale to the public.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: oyamaband on May 19, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
U2 and Live Nation are having trouble getting Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships to seal the deal for The Joshua Tree 2019 Tour of OZ/NZ/Asia, hence the delays in an announcement.

A very close family member who works for a Financial Institution here in Australia has been getting constant emails from Live Nation , which i've seen, regarding Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships for the tour.

Live Nation are pushing really hard to get this done but time is starting to count down really fast before it will be to late for a Tour for this year.

Live Nation have thrown us off the scent a few times as a delay tactic like "The Tour will have another name and will not be called The Joshua Tree" so we think all the Promo and Merch has to be re-designed and re-approved but in all the emails going back to last year and up to now it's always been touted as The Joshua Tree 2019.

("Songs Of Accent" may see the light of day before a tour to OZ/NZ/Asia)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 19, 2019, 06:17:22 PM
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An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.
Why did you have to say that. Now I'm stuck listening to Phil Collins 😂
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 19, 2019, 06:30:48 PM
Yeah... Nada. Seems the 'delay' rumours are true
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: wons on May 19, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
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U2 and Live Nation are having trouble getting Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships to seal the deal for The Joshua Tree 2019 Tour of OZ/NZ/Asia, hence the delays in an announcement.

A very close family member who works for a Financial Institution here in Australia has been getting constant emails from Live Nation , which i've seen, regarding Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships for the tour.

Live Nation are pushing really hard to get this done but time is starting to count down really fast before it will be to late for a Tour for this year.

Live Nation have thrown us off the scent a few times as a delay tactic like "The Tour will have another name and will not be called The Joshua Tree" so we think all the Promo and Merch has to be re-designed and re-approved but in all the emails going back to last year and up to now it's always been touted as The Joshua Tree 2019.

("Songs Of Accent" may see the light of day before a tour to OZ/NZ/Asia)

Given the price of tickets, I wouldn't think funding and sponsorship would be an issue unless they want the ticket price to be pure profit. Anyways, based on what was seen on Australian Ticketmaster, I think this is definitely happening, the tour that is. When the official announcement and on sale dates will be is the question mark. Tour reportedly does not start till November, so I think they could still wait some more time, maybe even a couple of months. Just have to wait and see what happens. 
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 19, 2019, 06:58:30 PM
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Yeah... Nada. Seems the 'delay' rumours are true

I think the 8am announcement was that Cooper Cronk, the rugby league player, is retiring.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 19, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
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An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.
Why did you have to say that. Now I'm stuck listening to Phil Collins 😂

Welcome to my world where I live Tripple M regional is the only radio station I can get lol.  They dont play anything later than the eighties.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: hollywoodswag on May 20, 2019, 04:25:59 AM
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Why did you have to say that. Now I'm privileged to be listening to Phil Collins 😂
Fixed that for you.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: dwaltman on May 20, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
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("Songs Of Accent" may see the light of day before a tour to OZ/NZ/Asia)

Um, what was that?  Where did that little piece of info come from?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 20, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
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An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.
Why did you have to say that. Now I'm stuck listening to Phil Collins 😂
https://youtu.be/rOwAvW1CIJs
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: dwaltman on May 20, 2019, 05:17:46 PM
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An on air radio fella DM'd me saying 'listen at 8am'. That was Perth time.

Let's see.
Why did you have to say that. Now I'm stuck listening to Phil Collins 😂
https://youtu.be/rOwAvW1CIJs

hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 20, 2019, 05:41:16 PM
Hehehe that was great 😂
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: dwaltman on May 20, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
Seeing that it is time for the Down Under Tour, I think it would be cool if U2 turned the set list upside down.  Play all the non-Joshua Tree songs first, then play Joshua Tree in reverse order, ending the show with Streets. Not sure about an encore or not.  Maybe play a song off of each album in reverse chronological order, then JT in reverse, then a 4 song encore (continue with one off each record in reverse order)...Bad, New Year's Day, Gloria, I Will Follow.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 20, 2019, 08:55:45 PM
Australia deserves plenty of EI and ie and Joshua Tree.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 20, 2019, 09:59:53 PM
The Joshua Triei?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 20, 2019, 10:15:50 PM
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U2 and Live Nation are having trouble getting Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships to seal the deal for The Joshua Tree 2019 Tour of OZ/NZ/Asia, hence the delays in an announcement.

A very close family member who works for a Financial Institution here in Australia has been getting constant emails from Live Nation , which i've seen, regarding Funding, Sponsorships & Partnerships for the tour.

Live Nation are pushing really hard to get this done but time is starting to count down really fast before it will be to late for a Tour for this year.

Live Nation have thrown us off the scent a few times as a delay tactic like "The Tour will have another name and will not be called The Joshua Tree" so we think all the Promo and Merch has to be re-designed and re-approved but in all the emails going back to last year and up to now it's always been touted as The Joshua Tree 2019.

("Songs Of Accent" may see the light of day before a tour to OZ/NZ/Asia)

Given the price of tickets, I wouldn't think funding and sponsorship would be an issue unless they want the ticket price to be pure profit. Anyways, based on what was seen on Australian Ticketmaster, I think this is definitely happening, the tour that is. When the official announcement and on sale dates will be is the question mark. Tour reportedly does not start till November, so I think they could still wait some more time, maybe even a couple of months. Just have to wait and see what happens.

Maybe the makers of Edges pedals can sponsor the tour, I think the Infinite Delay tour has a certain ring to it!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 21, 2019, 03:43:02 AM
Bahahaha 😂
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 21, 2019, 04:19:13 AM
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The Joshua Triei?

Ha! maybe its the logo that is causing them problems!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: summerholly on May 21, 2019, 06:33:39 AM
Driving to work I head the tripple M station that I listen to say that they are definitely coming.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: daveyg on May 21, 2019, 08:44:18 AM
So, the question begs, are the queue starters starting now? :)

At the U2 gigs in Dublin last November, there was a bunch of people doing the American style queue up. This was the second time I've seen it in Dublin (first was JT30 in Dublin in 2017) - queuing up for a week. The "locals" like myself strolled in 30 minutes before the gig started, and guess what? for both JT30 and E&I in Dublin, I walked in, and there was a light line of one person between me and the stage. Asleep in my warm bed for the previous week and wide awake for the gig.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 21, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
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So, the question begs, are the queue starters starting now? :)

At the U2 gigs in Dublin last November, there was a bunch of people doing the American style queue up. This was the second time I've seen it in Dublin (first was JT30 in Dublin in 2017) - queuing up for a week. The "locals" like myself strolled in 30 minutes before the gig started, and guess what? for both JT30 and E&I in Dublin, I walked in, and there was a light line of one person between me and the stage. Asleep in my warm bed for the previous week and wide awake for the gig.

Yeah but it was just an elaborate ploy just to re-affirm your values. Those early waiters? They were paid actors.   
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 21, 2019, 10:00:00 PM
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So, the question begs, are the queue starters starting now? :)

At the U2 gigs in Dublin last November, there was a bunch of people doing the American style queue up. This was the second time I've seen it in Dublin (first was JT30 in Dublin in 2017) - queuing up for a week. The "locals" like myself strolled in 30 minutes before the gig started, and guess what? for both JT30 and E&I in Dublin, I walked in, and there was a light line of one person between me and the stage. Asleep in my warm bed for the previous week and wide awake for the gig.

Yeah but it was just an elaborate ploy just to re-affirm your values. Those early waiters? They were paid actors.

Definitely seems to be a thing - never quite understand it myself
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: ian ryan on May 22, 2019, 12:19:14 PM
There is something fun about being front and center, but with a stage as enormous as the JT2017 tour, there’s no way I’d want to be up front. On the b-stage could be fun, but the sound booth is great for just understanding how immense and stunning the whole thing is.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on May 22, 2019, 03:04:33 PM
Certainly is fun, so much energy front and centre, can't be beaten. Plus the band will spend more time on the main stage than elsewhere.

But yeah, the stage is very tall, & the screen is so huge that it may be a bit difficult to take everything in from right up front (though much easier than 360, i+e & e+i).

b-stage will offer great views of the screen, & the best chance to get really close to the band (though this will be for a shorter period than the time spent on the main stage).

I do multiple shows. Many people think that's crazy. But changing locations in the venue offers such different experiences.

Oh, & I'm one of those crazies that spends forever in the line. I'm short, & even being one off the rail can have a pretty negative impact on what I can see (this was the case at Vertigo Sydney 1, 360 Vegas).
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 22, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
So no tour announcement...what a surprise!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 22, 2019, 10:18:17 PM
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So no tour announcement...what a surprise!

Bit like U2 albums - Edge is on fire etc  8) We understand it’s a delay not a no announcement at all situation
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 23, 2019, 11:33:57 AM
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Certainly is fun, so much energy front and centre, can't be beaten. Plus the band will spend more time on the main stage than elsewhere.

But yeah, the stage is very tall, & the screen is so huge that it may be a bit difficult to take everything in from right up front (though much easier than 360, i+e & e+i).

b-stage will offer great views of the screen, & the best chance to get really close to the band (though this will be for a shorter period than the time spent on the main stage).

I do multiple shows. Many people think that's crazy. But changing locations in the venue offers such different experiences.

Oh, & I'm one of those crazies that spends forever in the line. I'm short, & even being one off the rail can have a pretty negative impact on what I can see (this was the case at Vertigo Sydney 1, 360 Vegas).

One means all of the difference. Especially when you need something to lean on, it relieves pressure.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: stumpy on May 25, 2019, 06:18:06 PM
Well, he has time to perform with Snow Patrol, but cannot make any statement to clear up fan confusion. Maybe he is unaware...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Blueyedboy on May 26, 2019, 04:01:17 PM
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Well, he has time to perform with Snow Patrol, but cannot make any statement to clear up fan confusion. Maybe he is unaware...

He is not U2.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: stumpy on May 26, 2019, 05:56:33 PM
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Well, he has time to perform with Snow Patrol, but cannot make any statement to clear up fan confusion. Maybe he is unaware...

He is not U2.

No, just happens to be the frontman. I've been skeptical of these rumours all along (particularly after 2001). Guess they shouldn't be obliged to clear up rumours not started by them anyway.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: catalogue on May 29, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Can I ask for some advice from a newby?

If the Australian tour does happen - what's the best way to obtain tickets? I let my u2.com membership lapse a while ago - is it worth signing up again now? Or is there an alternative way to secure tickets without forking out $50 (particularly if the rumours are not true!).

Thank you very much.  :)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 29, 2019, 01:22:07 AM
Big venues. Lots of tickets. Live nation and ticket/ek/Master presales.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 29, 2019, 03:54:34 PM
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Can I ask for some advice from a newby?

If the Australian tour does happen - what's the best way to obtain tickets? I let my u2.com membership lapse a while ago - is it worth signing up again now? Or is there an alternative way to secure tickets without forking out $50 (particularly if the rumours are not true!).

Thank you very much.  :)

I wouldn't wait until the last minute, but just use the normal ticketing agencies if the tickets go on sale. I've always been able to get decent seats for every past U2 tour without any problems this way.

Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 30, 2019, 06:29:46 AM
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Can I ask for some advice from a newby?

If the Australian tour does happen - what's the best way to obtain tickets? I let my u2.com membership lapse a while ago - is it worth signing up again now? Or is there an alternative way to secure tickets without forking out $50 (particularly if the rumours are not true!).

Thank you very much.  :)

Check if you have access to pre-sales through other means. Otherwise press refresh
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 30, 2019, 06:52:48 AM
Finally... We're on.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 30, 2019, 02:05:31 PM
Dates announced - Singapore date still missing I see - pre-sales start on Tuesday
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 30, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
Yep rumoured dates were all correct save for Singapore. Always looked a tight turnaround from Perth
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Boba Fett on May 30, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
Well there you go - the rumours were correct, and I was wrong to be sceptical! Sometimes it's good to be wrong...:)
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 30, 2019, 05:45:58 PM
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Well there you go - the rumours were correct, and I was wrong to be sceptical! Sometimes it's good to be wrong...:)
Everything you know...
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: Argo on May 30, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
One promo says they have played in Asia 22 times, 21 of which were in Japan. Where was the other one?
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: miryclay on May 31, 2019, 09:54:54 AM
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One promo says they have played in Asia 22 times, 21 of which were in Japan. Where was the other one?

They may have counted Turkey 2010 as Asia.

http://www.u2gigs.com/country-Japan.html

https://www.u2.com/news/title/u2-ignite-electrical-storm-in-istanbul/highlights/
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on May 31, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
They only played in Asia 21 times. 
They played Istanbul - in the European zone (Ataturk stadium) and WALKED to Asia over the Bosporus Bridge whilst still in the same city.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on May 31, 2019, 03:01:07 PM
Pricing...

https://twitter.com/east13Melbourne/status/1134469487745363968?s=19

$128 for GA seems fair.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: singnomore on May 31, 2019, 10:47:42 PM
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Pricing...

https://twitter.com/east13Melbourne/status/1134469487745363968?s=19

$128 for GA seems fair.

Prices I understand are similar to the Europe version in 2017
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on June 02, 2019, 02:14:39 AM
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Pricing...

https://twitter.com/east13Melbourne/status/1134469487745363968?s=19

$128 for GA seems fair.

Yep, 130 bucks seems pretty fair for GA's. Double that for Japan, which is just.........ouch!!
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: 73October on June 02, 2019, 08:15:52 AM
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Pricing...

https://twitter.com/east13Melbourne/status/1134469487745363968?s=19

$128 for GA seems fair.

Yep, 130 bucks seems pretty fair for GA's. Double that for Japan, which is just.........ouch!!

Japan's an expensive place.  Never been, would love to go.  People I know that are Japanese sometimes only 'go home' every now and again because of the expense.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: d.darroch on June 02, 2019, 08:35:40 AM
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Pricing...

https://twitter.com/east13Melbourne/status/1134469487745363968?s=19

$128 for GA seems fair.

Yep, 130 bucks seems pretty fair for GA's. Double that for Japan, which is just.........ouch!!

Japan's an expensive place.  Never been, would love to go.  People I know that are Japanese sometimes only 'go home' every now and again because of the expense.

Australia is an expensive place too. Generally more expensive than Japan these days. Although Tokyo is significantly more expensive than much of Japan, though probably no worse than Sydney.

I'm quite surprised by the Sydney GA prices. In the past I think they've been for expensive than the US & Europe, but I think they'll be comparable this time.
Title: Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
Post by: briscoetheque on June 08, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Yeah Australia is crazy expensive these days and I didn't find Japan any worse.

I think $366 for seats in a stadium is ridiculous though. Especially the circular footy/cricket grounds in perth/melb/Adelaide and Sydney.

If you're going to do seats, do them in Brisbane.