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Title: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on December 11, 2008, 11:51:57 PM
I can think of a few U2 songs where I mostly like the song, but 1 line almost ruins it for me.  Without those lines I think I would like these songs a whole lot more.  Examples:

Kite is a wonderful song, but "The last of the rock stars..." is such a throwaway line.  It is such an amazing and emotional song, except the last line doesn't fit in at all with the rest of the lyrics and the song ends sort of feeling flat to me.

MOFO - awesome bass line, but for some reason the Mother Sucking Rock and Roll never quite worked for me.  I wasn't sure if they were trying to censor themselves or be sly or what, but it didn't work for me.  Either come out and say it or change the lyrics entirely to get around it completely and try a different approach.  On one hand I sort of agree with VladTheFlyingLemon's earlier comments on this song on a different thread - they shouldn't swear just to swear and if they did all over the place here that would be "throwaway".  On the other hand, Bono isn't afraid to drop the f-bomb (Wake up Dead man, the Grammies, F-the revolution), but here he seems to avoid it and I am not sure why. 

Any thoughts on these or examples of your own?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: TheFly on December 12, 2008, 07:27:30 AM
Yeah, the last part of Kite ruins it for me.

The lyrics of Grace ruin the whole song.

I'm going to come back to this ...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on December 12, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
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The lyrics of Grace ruin the whole song.


 :D

Jesus' sister's eyes are a blister  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Dark Angel on December 12, 2008, 08:26:49 AM
Interllectual Tortoise? what the hell

and Bono says he isnt on drugs  :-\ *ducks*

It just sounds like something my druggie friend would say!

I will think of some more and come back later!

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 12, 2008, 09:53:32 AM
On Wire, which otherwise is magnificent, does Bono actually sing "be on the boat side"? That would qualify for me.

And on The Playboy Mansion (which I like otherwise), does he scat-sing, "The Play Dough Mansion"? That would also qualify.

"I'm only asking but I think you know" from The Unforgettable Fire makes no sense to me. Same with "don't push me too far tonight" from that song.

"Have another grape" from Numb doesn't really make any sense.

"Loosey" or "You'll see" from A Man and a Woman, nonsense.

There may be others ...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: zooey on December 12, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
The air was heavy, heavy as a truck

I used to think in Hawkmoon he was saying "like a soup stain" instead of "like a sheet stain" and that kinda threw me off.

I don't even listen to Wild Honey or Grace, the lyrics are so bad.

Like others have said, I'm sure there's more out there.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on December 12, 2008, 12:08:23 PM
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I can think of a few U2 songs where I mostly like the song, but 1 line almost ruins it for me.  Without those lines I think I would like these songs a whole lot more.  Examples:

Kite is a wonderful song, but "The last of the rock stars..." is such a throwaway line.  It is such an amazing and emotional song, except the last line doesn't fit in at all with the rest of the lyrics and the song ends sort of feeling flat to me.


I disagree with that completely. I love the end of Kite, it's Bono trying to explain what he's been trying to do in his life. Don't know why so many people say this. Throwaway line - don't think so.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on December 12, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
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MOFO - awesome bass line, but for some reason the Mother Sucking Rock and Roll never quite worked for me.  I wasn't sure if they were trying to censor themselves or be sly or what, but it didn't work for me.  Either come out and say it or change the lyrics entirely to get around it completely and try a different approach.  On one hand I sort of agree with VladTheFlyingLemon's earlier comments on this song on a different thread - they shouldn't swear just to swear and if they did all over the place here that would be "throwaway".  On the other hand, Bono isn't afraid to drop the f-bomb (Wake up Dead man, the Grammies, F-the revolution), but here he seems to avoid it and I am not sure why. 



 :)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 12, 2008, 08:32:01 PM
Don't know why, but the "air is heavy/heavy as a truck" line in Electrical Storm doesn't bother me. It's ... descriptive. :)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 12, 2008, 08:42:11 PM
More:


Miami ... my mammy

A mole digging in a hole

Beauty plays the clown

Hot as a handbag and a can of mace

Your legs were crossed, your arms wide open (er, what?)

If you don't know, Electric Co.

Also ... I wish Bono had figured out the whole "Checkmated/hours of fun/showman in yeah yeah..." bit on Vertigo. Not even he seems to believe those are the actual words.

Important note: None of these lines actually "ruin" a song for me. I just think they're kind of ... in need of a rewrite.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: StrongGirl on December 13, 2008, 12:32:41 AM
Ouch, zooey. You just dissed two favorites of mine :( But I can understand where you (& a lot of others) are coming from.  Sometimes I love a bad lyric because it is bad! You know, it's so bad, it's good-like mole digging in a hole! You gotta love it. Does that make any sense?   I can't believe I just said dissed. Talk about bad :D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: i_heartU2 on December 13, 2008, 05:21:08 PM
Grace..It's the name of a girl ;D

The air was heavy, heavy as a truck

hot as a handbag and a can of mace

I'm wide awake but I'm not sleeping oh no

I know there is more but I can't think of any at the moment..
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: vickidvm on December 13, 2008, 05:30:34 PM
Can I add a non-U2 one that really bothers me?  That song "Lightning Crashes" by Live with the lyric "Her placenta falls to the floor".  Eww... I don't need that visual in a song  :P

Ok we can return to the topic now  :)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 13, 2008, 08:59:59 PM
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Can I add a non-U2 one that really bothers me?  That song "Lightning Crashes" by Live with the lyric "Her placenta falls to the floor".  Eww... I don't need that visual in a song  :P

Ok we can return to the topic now  :)

Sometimes the visual in your head can really throw you out of the song!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 13, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
Does redundancy count?

"I'm wide awake/I'm not sleeping"

"Lights go down/It's dark"

I guess Bono's just reinforcing the ideas there .... ???
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: InThisHeartland on December 14, 2008, 10:56:50 AM
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Sometimes I love a bad lyric because it is bad! You know, it's so bad, it's good-like mole digging in a hole! You gotta love it. Does that make any sense?

Yes it does. Van Halen's "Why can't this be love" the line is

"only time will tell if we stand the test of time"

PURE GENIUS.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on December 14, 2008, 12:24:34 PM
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Interllectual Tortoise? what the hell


See, that's my favorite part of "All Because of You"... It's so corny that I love it...  :D

That goes for "Elevation" as well... "A mole! Diggin' in a hole!"
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Aburrow on December 14, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Intellectual tortoise for me is slightly less questionable than "freedom has a scent/like the top of a newborn baby's head."

The key to intellectual tortoise is in the very next line, "racing with your bullet train," which kicks the whole thing up a notch image-wise. I think Bono here is acknowledging he doesn't have all the answers, that God is in control.

"Take this mouth/give it a kiss," however, borders on unintentional humor.

I have so much trouble remembering "The more you see the less you know/the less you find out as you go" that I'm inclined to put those lines on this list, too. (Love the song, tho.)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on December 15, 2008, 04:28:41 AM
I agree, 'scent like the top of the newborn baby's head' does not sound romantic/idealistic/symbolic when you're a mother who has smelled a top of the newborn baby's head  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on December 15, 2008, 03:34:29 PM
i love that line starfish . i hate hold me thrill me kiss me , hate it  >:(
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: mattyk on December 15, 2008, 11:41:40 PM
I'm sticking with the predictable ones...

"Freedom has a scent..." bugs me, mostly because of Bono's prattling in the bonus DVD that came with Bomb.
"Heavy as a truck" also. Just bad.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on December 16, 2008, 02:49:59 AM
I'm surprised at the hate for Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me. I like it, it's not my all time favourite U2 song or anything, but it's fun and not like anything else they've recorded. Some good lyrics in there too.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Edges Les Paul on December 16, 2008, 03:41:14 PM
Okay, look. I think, with the way Bono tends to write lyrics (especially back in the day), all improv-y, then it should be no surprise that there are some silly lines here and there. If he took the time to meticulously work through each and every word, like a poet, then the wait for the albums would be even longer and more excruciating. However, I know what you mean, when a line just doesn't quite work for you. I'm finding myself more willing to stick up for these odd lyrics than I would have at a previous time. Oh, that U2 addiction can really lower your defenses, I guess.  8)

"Freedom has a scent...": I was always a little skeptical about that, but now that I've come to appreciate that song more, I guess I could see some kind of poetic ambiguity in that simile. I mean, it makes you think, at least.

I do really hate "Grace-- it's a name for a girl." Seriously?

And re: "the last of the rock stars," I know it's random, but since he was writing the song for his kids, I kind of see it as a time capsule for when he was writing the song-- when hip-hop and new media were all the big thing.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Malachi on December 17, 2008, 04:37:29 AM
Well I like all of Bono's cheasy lines (Well Most). I love grace for that reason alone. While they are quite lazy lines. They work. (In a way)

I know Im weird lol.

Mal
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on December 17, 2008, 06:49:00 AM
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"Freedom has a scent...": I was always a little skeptical about that, but now that I've come to appreciate that song more, I guess I could see some kind of poetic ambiguity in that simile. I mean, it makes you think, at least.
I checked out a youtube clip of Levitate because several of you said how good it was.  I am familiar with some but not all of the rarer songs, so this forum is good at having me look into the others.  Anyways, the line that surprised me was:

When freedom comes
Freedom has a scent
It’s like the top of a newborn baby’s head
Maybe we can taste it
You and I

So basically that line survived a few song iterations before ending up in its final form in Miracle Drug.

I also kind of like the actual scent of a newborn baby's head - all clean after a bath and soft and all (it's been a while).  I don't quite get the tie in, though.  Freedom is soft and cozy and cuddly and baby smelling (the less odorous end of the baby)?

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I also realize that in starting this thread, I was somewhat being hypercritical of B's lyrics in a way, even though I couldn't write lyrics to save my life.  His lyrics are interesting and typically I love the subtlety and ambiguity.  I have seen several posts in this forum about whether the love mentioned in a song is man-woman or God-man or whatever, and that is all a testimony of how powerful the lyrics usually are.  I even can take the mole diggin' in a hole (so corny, it's almost funny), as long as the song rocks.

Looking forward to scrutinizing the lyrics off the new album!!!

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on December 17, 2008, 07:46:17 AM
in the shadow boy meets man
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on December 17, 2008, 03:59:34 PM
This doesn't really ruin the song for me, because I already detest it with every fiber of my being, but "My Mammy" in Miami is just stupid to me...  Usually however, lyrics don't bother me too much as long as the song is good
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Dali on December 20, 2008, 05:28:16 AM
He should have left that line in Levitate and kept that song for the album, because

"I'd give it up for a miracle drug"

is a line that ruins the particular song for me.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on December 23, 2008, 11:43:50 AM
"Ooh, mama, cool off,"-Crumbs From Your Table
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Dark Angel on December 23, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
Lets just settle this and say bono (the same goes for most poets) we cannot understand why he puts some strange lines in his songs.  As long as they sound good he could say all kinds of crap!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on December 23, 2008, 12:18:21 PM
Ever notice how someone singing in French or some foreign language can sound really good even when they could be singing something like, "saber toothed screaming lemurs rule the world, the time's essence is as much a doubt as improbability might sing, my thought of horse radish drift through the fragrant air, while everything I say or do is nocturnal."

An example could by 99 Luft Balloons, or a song by Puffy Amyumi
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 17, 2009, 03:32:47 PM
'Stop It' at the end of God Part II. It means the song is over, therfore ruined!  ;D Actually, come to think of it - any last line of a U2 song is not good is it!
Ok, I'm bored  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Revolver7 on January 17, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
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'Stop It' at the end of God Part II. It means the song is over, therfore ruined!  ;D Actually, come to think of it - any last line of a U2 song is not good is it!
Ok, I'm bored  :-\

I liked the 'Stop It'..it's got attitude!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: An Cat Dubh on January 17, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
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'Stop It' at the end of God Part II. It means the song is over, therfore ruined!  ;D Actually, come to think of it - any last line of a U2 song is not good is it!
Ok, I'm bored  :-\

I liked the 'Stop It'..it's got attitude!

It was supposed to be a joke  :) I like the 'attitude' in that line too, but It ends the song, hence ruined!! LOL. My english humor coming out there Revolver7.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on January 18, 2009, 05:55:15 AM
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Ever notice how someone singing in French or some foreign language can sound really good even when they could be singing something like, "saber toothed screaming lemurs rule the world, the time's essence is as much a doubt as improbability might sing, my thought of horse radish drift through the fragrant air, while everything I say or do is nocturnal."

An example could by 99 Luft Balloons, or a song by Puffy Amyumi

I love Nena's 99 Luftballoons, never heard it in English, although she apparently sang it in English as well.
I still have no clue what it's talking about. Well, other than the 99 balloons.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: u2yooper on January 18, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
We used to sing "99 Luftballoons" in 7th grade, just butchering the German.  The English version wasn't nearly as fun. 
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on January 18, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
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We used to sing "99 Luftballoons" in 7th grade, just butchering the German.  The English version wasn't nearly as fun. 

Kind of like "Der Komminsar"? (I think I've just butchered the spelling on that, but you get my drift! SO much cooler in German.)  ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on January 18, 2009, 01:32:19 PM
when hip hop drove the big cars .i love this song hate that line  >:(
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ProofThatThisIsReal on January 18, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
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when hip hop drove the big cars .i love this song hate that line  >:(

Well, it does have meaning, doesn't it?

and 99 luft balloons means 99 Red balloons, in case someone doesn't know that.  I have the english german version, and they both sound sort of the same to me- ???
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on January 18, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
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when hip hop drove the big cars .i love this song hate that line  >:(

Well, it does have meaning, doesn't it?

and 99 luft balloons means 99 Red balloons, in case someone doesn't know that.  I have the english german version, and they both sound sort of the same to me- ???
cool song 99 luft baloons yhe german version is cool
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on January 18, 2009, 02:35:50 PM
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when hip hop drove the big cars .i love this song hate that line  >:(

Really? I like that line; it's one of my favorite parts of the song. U2 do seem to be among the last of the rock stars in this era.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on January 18, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
ac/dc are rock stars ;)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on January 18, 2009, 03:56:57 PM
ACDC can't hold a candle up to U2.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on January 18, 2009, 04:05:04 PM
Can anybody?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: TheFlyingLemon on January 18, 2009, 04:36:11 PM
The Beatles is the only one I can think of.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on January 18, 2009, 10:41:55 PM
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ACDC can't hold a candle up to U2.
i agree bono will blow it out lol ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: eviltimeban on January 19, 2009, 07:20:58 AM
Everything from "Lights go down" to "and make it prey" INCLUSIVE.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mysterious Ways on January 20, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
It doesn't ruin the song, but "I don't wanna talk about wars between nations" sounds a little corny to me. Also, I always skip the ending of Kite on my mp3 player. Personally, I can't stand it, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on January 20, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
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It doesn't ruin the song, but "I don't wanna talk about wars between nations" sounds a little corny to me. Also, I always skip the ending of Kite on my mp3 player. Personally, I can't stand it, but that's just me.
i love kite awsome song at the vertigo melb gig it was the highlight, but i hate the ,hip hop drove the big cars line
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Nielsen on January 31, 2009, 04:12:57 AM
The last part of Kite= ??? :-\ ??? :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: achtungchild on January 31, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
"You can keep this suit of lies" was amazing until I realized it was "suit of lights".
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: streetmission on February 01, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
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"You can keep this suit of lies" was amazing until I realized it was "suit of lights".

 :D :D  That's funny!

"There's an insect in your ear" from Staring at the Sun.  I love the song, and it doesn't really "ruin" it for me.  It just gives me the willies, that line.  It kinda snaps me out of the mood for a second every time I hear it.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 02, 2009, 12:12:49 AM
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"Freedom has a scent...": I was always a little skeptical about that, but now that I've come to appreciate that song more, I guess I could see some kind of poetic ambiguity in that simile. I mean, it makes you think, at least.
I checked out a youtube clip of Levitate because several of you said how good it was.  I am familiar with some but not all of the rarer songs, so this forum is good at having me look into the others.  Anyways, the line that surprised me was:

When freedom comes
Freedom has a scent
It’s like the top of a newborn baby’s head
Maybe we can taste it
You and I

So basically that line survived a few song iterations before ending up in its final form in Miracle Drug.

I also kind of like the actual scent of a newborn baby's head - all clean after a bath and soft and all (it's been a while).  I don't quite get the tie in, though.  Freedom is soft and cozy and cuddly and baby smelling (the less odorous end of the baby)?

-----------------------------------

I also realize that in starting this thread, I was somewhat being hypercritical of B's lyrics in a way, even though I couldn't write lyrics to save my life.  His lyrics are interesting and typically I love the subtlety and ambiguity.  I have seen several posts in this forum about whether the love mentioned in a song is man-woman or God-man or whatever, and that is all a testimony of how powerful the lyrics usually are.  I even can take the mole diggin' in a hole (so corny, it's almost funny), as long as the song rocks.

Looking forward to scrutinizing the lyrics off the new album!!!



not defending the lyric but I think it's about hope (not so much about a baby's smell, lol). newness and rebellion. creation over destruction.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on February 02, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
you dont haveto go blind
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mysterious Ways on February 03, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
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"You can keep this suit of lies" was amazing until I realized it was "suit of lights".

I still sing 'lies' despite knowing its incorrent for the last 10+ years.

I always thought is was "suit of mine".  ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mr. BonorFLYd on February 03, 2009, 09:56:53 PM
Well, I haven't decided on this. But, "Laughter is eternity - if joy is real" What exactly does that mean? I like the sound of it...but does it make sense?  :-[
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shockdocta22 on February 10, 2009, 05:03:45 PM
get on ur boots, sexy boots, get on your boots, foxy boots, Yeah  I dont wanna talk about wars between nation, get on ur boots, one line in get on ur boots, makes me hate it
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jjcruiser on February 16, 2009, 08:06:44 AM
"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.

(If lyrics by other people than Bono count, then Dancing Barefoot, which has to have some of the stupidest and least flowing lyrics he's ever sung:  "she is concentrating on he, who is chosen by she.")

Very surprised by the hate for the lyrics to Grace, which I love, and the end of Kite (I sometimes skip to the END of Kite, which seems to be the opposite of what some folks do).  Actually several things people mentioned I really like.  Go figure.

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on February 16, 2009, 08:56:30 AM
I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful. It's not gratuitous cussing either, it's pretty heartfelt. It all depends on how tolerant you are to swearing, but for me it's not used in an aggressive tone and is there for a reason. So I don't have a problem with it, in fact it's probably my favourite line from Pop.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jjcruiser on February 16, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
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I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful. It's not gratuitous cussing either, it's pretty heartfelt. It all depends on how tolerant you are to swearing, but for me it's not used in an aggressive tone and is there for a reason.

I largely agree, he almost never swears, it's evocative, and it's not gratuitous.  But it's still too jarring for me personally.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on February 16, 2009, 09:04:06 AM
That's fair enough then.  8)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: silkenskies on February 16, 2009, 09:05:16 AM
"If you need someone to blame, throw a rock in the air you'll hit someone guilty"

Love Dirty Day, and this line doesn't ruin the song but it just seems odd, like he tried to squeeze too many syllables into the verse.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on February 16, 2009, 09:32:25 AM
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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.

(If lyrics by other people than Bono count, then Dancing Barefoot, which has to have some of the stupidest and least flowing lyrics he's ever sung:  "she is concentrating on he, who is chosen by she.")

Very surprised by the hate for the lyrics to Grace, which I love, and the end of Kite (I sometimes skip to the END of Kite, which seems to be the opposite of what some folks do).  Actually several things people mentioned I really like.  Go figure.


Dancing Barefoot is a Patti Smith song that they covered.


Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jjcruiser on February 16, 2009, 09:46:14 AM
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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.

(If lyrics by other people than Bono count, then Dancing Barefoot, which has to have some of the stupidest and least flowing lyrics he's ever sung:  "she is concentrating on he, who is chosen by she.")

Very surprised by the hate for the lyrics to Grace, which I love, and the end of Kite (I sometimes skip to the END of Kite, which seems to be the opposite of what some folks do).  Actually several things people mentioned I really like.  Go figure.


Dancing Barefoot is a Patti Smith song that they covered.



Yes, that's why I identified it as "lyrics by other people than Bono." (see above).


Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on February 16, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
Then I would say they shouldn't count, if only for the fact he didnt write them.  It's like saying "I've hungered for your touch" ruins "U2's" Unchained Melody or "shall I stay, would it be a sin?" ruins "U2's" "Can't Help Falling in Love." And yeah, I missed that part you wrote.  My bad.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: dislexoteche on February 17, 2009, 05:11:29 PM
"She's got a baby at her breast
She knows big girls are best"

Makes me cringe a little even though I think I get what the reference is.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on February 18, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
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"She's got a baby at her breast
She knows big girls are best"

Makes me cringe a little even though I think I get what the reference is.

It's Ali when she was pregnant.

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: justinluey on February 19, 2009, 03:14:07 AM
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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.


I love that part, swearing is used sparingly by U2 and it really hits the point home here.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Ultraviolet [ACAAs Polisher of Shiny PopMart Basses] on February 20, 2009, 08:50:39 PM
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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.


I love that part, swearing is used sparingly by U2 and it really hits the point home here.

I agree. It truly caught me off-guard the first time I heard it, and he just lets it fall into the song...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starguitar on February 20, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.


I love that part, swearing is used sparingly by U2 and it really hits the point home here.

I agree. It truly caught me off-guard the first time I heard it, and he just lets it fall into the song...

Yeah I agree wit you guys. I think it's getting the 'message' through, but it's unnecessary.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: edgecentric on February 25, 2009, 11:28:50 AM
I can usually get behind the silly lines. They're often fun and funky to sing along to. (A mole! Digging in a hole!) The only one that makes me cringe is "Grace - it's the name of a girl" Really Bono? Jeez.

One of my dear friends does. not. like. U2 so every now and then I try to throw something at her that she can't possible not like. I played City of Blinding Lights and she seemed to be getting into it until..."Look ugly in a photograph" and she busted out laughing and walked away. So now I have a bit of a grudge against that line.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: silkenskies on February 25, 2009, 11:38:47 AM
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I can usually get behind the silly lines. They're often fun and funky to sing along to. (A mole! Digging in a hole!) The only one that makes me cringe is "Grace - it's the name of a girl" Really Bono? Jeez.

One of my dear friends does. not. like. U2 so every now and then I try to throw something at her that she can't possible not like. I played City of Blinding Lights and she seemed to be getting into it until..."Look ugly in a photograph" and she busted out laughing and walked away. So now I have a bit of a grudge against that line.

same thing happened with my friend. "let me take some of the punches for you tonight...". will NOT let it go, he makes fun of it all the time. he'll even refer to Bono and/or U2 as 'punches'.   :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: edgecentric on February 25, 2009, 11:55:19 AM
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same thing happened with my friend. "let me take some of the punches for you tonight...". will NOT let it go, he makes fun of it all the time. he'll even refer to Bono and/or U2 as 'punches'.   :-\

How frustrating! Oh well, some people's minds are just not wired properly for U2 I guess.  :P

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"And a F'd-up world it is too" from Wake Up Dead Man.

I have never and still don't like the cussing and otherwise love the song, but it's so jarring to me that I have trouble listening to it at all.


I love that part, swearing is used sparingly by U2 and it really hits the point home here.

Me too. Precisely the fact that you never hear it in lyrics makes it extra strong and passionate. Same with "sh*tty world" in Cedars of Lebanon. I complain about the world being sh*tty and f*cked up all the time and it's kind of lost its impact.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: kristbg on February 26, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
I actually like Grace. It seems to me that silly was what Bono was going for in that song.

The "hip-hop" line on Kite is indeed terrible. I like the imagery in the "freedom has a scent" line, but I don't think it works as a lyric.

Some others, from the top of my head:

"With a mouth full of teeth/You ate all your friends"
"Your love was a light bulb/hanging over my head"
"Soul and its striptease"
"Devotion/and some appreciation/little heavy rotation/looks good on me"
"We're gonna break the monster's back"

And from NLOTH:

"Force quit and move to trash" - that's just embarassing.
"I got a submarine/you got gasoline" - point made, but still doesn't work.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: achtung child on February 26, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
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I'm sticking with the predictable ones...

"Freedom has a scent..." bugs me, mostly because of Bono's prattling in the bonus DVD that came with Bomb.
"Heavy as a truck" also. Just bad.

I have to agree on the "Freedom has a scent.." line too.  That line has nearly ruined the entire Bomb album for me (though it's barely redeemed by lyrics for Original of the Species).  That line is representative of the difficulty I have with that album, aside from Steve's mixing job.  To me, a lot of those song lyrics borderlined on cheap, fortune cookie slogans you would hear on an Anne Murray album.  IMO, Bono is at his best lyrically when he reveals something deep & sacred with a shred of vulnerability (ex:  Mysterious Ways, Velvet Dress, & So Cruel).  It also helps when there is a bit of ambiguity with the intent of the line; instead of spelling everything out.   I understand that album was intended to showcase Bono and the band as back to basics saviours of rock n' roll.  But I never wanted to fire up the album in my car with the windows down on summer nights.  Maybe I'll appreciate Miracle Drug later someday.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on March 04, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
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And from NLOTH:

"Force quit and move to trash" - that's just embarassing.
"I got a submarine/you got gasoline" - point made, but still doesn't work.

Now that I've heard the new album all the way through a few times, I'd have to agree with the ones above.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shockdocta22 on March 04, 2009, 09:08:23 PM
my first cry, it was joyful noise,

for me its sounds like he was bragging

i thought it was joy for noise, which i loved
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on March 04, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
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my first cry, it was joyful noise,

for me its sounds like he was bragging

i thought it was joy for noise, which i loved

Without having read the Bible, I think there is a line that says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord" or something like that. I think he's singing the song to God, in the vein of "Gloria"
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: PictureInGrey on March 05, 2009, 03:42:03 AM
"The air is heavy, heavy as a truck."
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: emalvick on March 05, 2009, 01:53:39 PM
The whole "scent of a newborn baby's head", ruins miracle drug for me, which would probably be closer to a favorite of mine if it weren't there.

I also have to say that I'd probably like Wild Honey better if it didn't have the whole "I was a monkey" line wasn't there too, although the whole pop-ness of that song bothers me, although I would quit skipping it.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: andyt on March 06, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
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The whole "scent of a newborn baby's head", ruins miracle drug for me, which would probably be closer to a favorite of mine if it weren't there.

I also have to say that I'd probably like Wild Honey better if it didn't have the whole "I was a monkey" line wasn't there too, although the whole pop-ness of that song bothers me, although I would quit skipping it.

I'm so with you on Miracle Drug.

Also, 'I want to lot of what you got, and I want nothing that you're not' ruins the brilliance of Original of the Species.

It doesn't even make sense...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on March 06, 2009, 09:37:51 AM
"I WANT THE LOT OF WHAT YOU GOT"   everything you are

"I WANT NOTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT"    everything you aren't


Still a great song.  Maybe the best on Bomb, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: xpliskin on March 06, 2009, 11:26:39 PM
"I'll go crazy if I don't go crazy tonight" doesn't seem to fit the song at all.


Love the tune and the rest of the lyrics.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: echoes.strung on March 06, 2009, 11:54:21 PM
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Well, I haven't decided on this. But, "Laughter is eternity - if joy is real" What exactly does that mean? I like the sound of it...but does it make sense?  :-[

I think he's trying to get across the message that if your joy is real ('joy' being a different kind of happiness that comes only from God, 'real' being not falsely produced by your own self) then laughter is eternity, referring to Heaven and the unending laughter (joy, happiness, whatever) that will be there. So, yeah, I think it makes sense, and in a beautiful 'good pictures in my mind' kind of way. If God's given me joy, I will have it for eternity...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on March 07, 2009, 01:08:26 AM
get on your boots ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Walrus on March 07, 2009, 09:18:34 AM
Redundancy factor!

The part in "I Will Follow" "I was blind, I could not see" throws me off a bit.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: suitoflights on March 07, 2009, 09:25:13 PM
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I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful.

I agree. It's such a desolate song. Try saying "and a messed up/screwed up world it is too."
Doesn't work, does it?

But I have to say, even though WUDM is my favourite closing U2 song and is on my favourite U2 album, there is one line in it that always makes me cringe:

"Your father, he built the world in seven, now he's in charge of heaven..."  :'(
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: One Tree Hill on March 12, 2009, 01:28:03 PM
...'Explain all these controls
Can't sing but I've got soul
The goal is elevation

A mole
Digging in a hole
Digging up my soul now'

..Nuff said
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: R3dLight [<33s TJ] on March 12, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
...The part in Get on Your Boots when he starts saying
"let me in the sound...."
and starts like wraping kinda and crap....just doesnt sound like u2
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Scooter79 on March 12, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
There was one in ATYCLB that didn't bug me until a friend told me it bothered her.

From In a Little While

"Ooh, when I saw her in a pram they pushed her by!" To my friend, it sounded like Bono already fancied Ali when she was still in a pram. I didn't hear it that way at all in the beginning, but now, thanks to her...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Scooter79 on March 12, 2009, 09:26:39 PM
Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: R3dLight [<33s TJ] on March 13, 2009, 06:42:44 AM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"



haha..thats funny...well maybe he ment something else than what ur thinking, although it is really disturbing in a sence
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on March 13, 2009, 07:59:51 AM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"



See I always thought those lines were completely meaningless and throwaway, I'm not sure what they mean, if indeed anything. I've always considered this song to be vastly overrated (amongst U2 fans anyway). For me it's nowhere near the best song on that album.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Fan since 14 on March 17, 2009, 02:55:19 PM
"These days are better than that"

"have you come here to play Jesus to the lepers in your head"

all the technology references in NLOTH

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: floppy-angel on March 19, 2009, 09:09:24 PM
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Interllectual Tortoise? what the hell

and Bono says he isnt on drugs  :-\ *ducks*

It just sounds like something my druggie friend would say!

I will think of some more and come back later!



Lol it's the whole phrase that gives it meaning:

"An intellectual tortoise racing with a bullet train..."

Like the turtle & the hare story.

Anyway, I like it.

But what I hate are all the computer function references in unknown caller.  All I got out of that is that Bono uses a Mac!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: sceptic prophet on March 20, 2009, 03:58:19 AM
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"have you come here to play Jesus to the lepers in your head"




I have to disagree here, that one is one of his best lines, in my opinion. Alas, one of the few times that he mentions Jesus without making me cringe...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on March 20, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
"A woman needs a man
Like a fish needs a bicycle"

Lovely sublime groove totally wrecked.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: kristbg on March 20, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
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"A woman needs a man
Like a fish needs a bicycle"

Lovely sublime groove totally wrecked.

That's not Bono's. I think Gloria Steinem said it.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on March 20, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Yeah, it still don't belong in the song. Completely out of place.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: The Wanderer on March 20, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
That is what I appreciate about u2's song writing.  When I hear a quirky line or two, it makes me want to understand what is being referenced.  Take a song like "Until the ENd of the World".  If you listen to the first lines...

"We ate the food, we drank the wine, everyone's havin' a good time...except you"  Sounded like strange lyrics about some boring date Bono took to a dinner party.  But putting it in the context of a conversation between Judas and Jesus without using obvious lyrics, make the song that much more intriguing.  The scent of a baby's head, fish and bicycles, Re-booting one's self, all serve a purpose, like them or not. 
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on March 20, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
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That is what I appreciate about u2's song writing.  When I hear a quirky line or two, it makes me want to understand what is being referenced.  Take a song like "Until the ENd of the World".  If you listen to the first lines...

"We ate the food, we drank the wine, everyone's havin' a good time...except you"  Sounded like strange lyrics about some boring date Bono took to a dinner party.  But putting it in the context of a conversation between Judas and Jesus without using obvious lyrics, make the song that much more intriguing.  The scent of a baby's head, fish and bicycles, Re-booting one's self, all serve a purpose, like them or not. 



I am in total agreeance.  I just think it sounded bad in the context of that song.  Bono whisper-rapping it in the Fly, now THAT would have been better, IMO.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: PeterGriffinHero on March 26, 2009, 07:28:06 AM
Ultraviolet.  Great song, especially live, but I think on the album Bono knows how lame the lyrics are when he says "I guess that's the price of love/I know it's not cheap."

Crazy Tonight.  Once again, great song.  There's a lyric in the first verse "Everybody needs to cry or needs to spit/every sweet tooth needs just a little hit/every beauty needs to go out with an idiot."  What?!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: PeterGriffinHero on March 26, 2009, 07:38:22 AM
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"A woman needs a man
Like a fish needs a bicycle"

Lovely sublime groove totally wrecked.

I actually love this lyric.  Don't know why, it's just silly.  And the album version's already so weird with edge harmonizing (?) over Bono's improvised melody.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: sceptic prophet on March 26, 2009, 11:52:07 AM
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"A woman needs a man
Like a fish needs a bicycle"

Lovely sublime groove totally wrecked.

I actually love this lyric.  Don't know why, it's just silly.  And the album version's already so weird with edge harmonizing (?) over Bono's improvised melody.

Well, let's not forget that the line about woman and fish is preceded in the song by:

Nothin' much to say I guess
Just the same as all the rest
Been tryin' to throw my arms around the world


Nothing much for Bono to say, so he just talks the first thing that comes to his mind... Makes sense!  ;D

However, that line has indeed a meaning. It's simply just a quirky way of saying that women do not need men. It was written by a feminist, apparently (Gloria Steinem), so it's kind of understandable...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: lauren on March 26, 2009, 08:41:02 PM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"

Good question.  I think I have heard them say at different times that the song is about Edge's or Bono's oldest daughter, but there are some lines that don't fit in with that.   I love the song either way but I would be interested to know what the deal is with that.

In other songs, I like a lot of their silly lines (mole digging in a hole, intellectual tortoise, let me in the sound) but could do without most of the lyrics to Playboy Mansion and Miami, I think "it's the name for a girl" really drags that song down, and I agree with Fan since 14 about technology references on NLOTH.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mysterious Ways on March 26, 2009, 08:47:28 PM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"

Good question.  I think I have heard them say at different times that the song is about Edge's or Bono's oldest daughter, but there are some lines that don't fit in with that.   I love the song either way but I would be interested to know what the deal is with that.

That's what I thought.....

Anyway, one lyric that makes me cringe is:

Your love was a lightbulb, hanging over my head
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on March 27, 2009, 06:08:05 AM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"

Good question.  I think I have heard them say at different times that the song is about Edge's or Bono's oldest daughter, but there are some lines that don't fit in with that.   I love the song either way but I would be interested to know what the deal is with that.

That's what I thought.....

Anyway, one lyric that makes me cringe is:

Your love was a lightbulb, hanging over my head

Strangely that may be my favourite line from Achtung Baby.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: efdeat on March 28, 2009, 10:24:47 PM
I love "An Cat Dubh" but can't handle the heavy breathing during Edge's solo . . . I would put it on a mix CD for my dad, except I think he would not be able to handle the woofy sound.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mysterious Ways on March 29, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
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Oh and I do have a question. I was under the impression that Original of the Species was written to one of Bono's daughters. Is that so? If it is, the following lines become somewhat disturbing.

"And you feel like no one before
You steal right under my door
I kneel 'cause I want you some more"

Good question.  I think I have heard them say at different times that the song is about Edge's or Bono's oldest daughter, but there are some lines that don't fit in with that.   I love the song either way but I would be interested to know what the deal is with that.

That's what I thought.....

Anyway, one lyric that makes me cringe is:

Your love was a lightbulb, hanging over my head

Strangely that may be my favourite line from Achtung Baby.

I don't want to keep bagging Ultraviolet (it's a great song) but another line that makes me cringe is:

I guess that's the price of love,
I know it's not cheap
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: luieu2 on March 29, 2009, 03:47:47 PM
like a fish needs a bicycle
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on March 30, 2009, 02:49:41 AM
^^

That's a famous quote from some feminist, so it's not just another silly Bono-ism.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 03:10:56 AM

The ATM line from moment of surrender. It ruins an otherwise fantastic song.

Or all of Boots - or all of Unknown Caller
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on March 30, 2009, 03:12:30 AM
ALL of Unknown Caller? I can understand the chorus being cringeworthy to some, but not the verses. "I had driven to the scene of the accident, and I sat there waiting for me" is an awesome line I think.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: andyt on March 30, 2009, 03:32:55 AM
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ALL of Unknown Caller? I can understand the chorus being cringeworthy to some, but not the verses. "I had driven to the scene of the accident, and I sat there waiting for me" is an awesome line I think.

No, not all of it - those silly computer lyrics.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Dundonald_Killie on March 31, 2009, 05:53:17 AM
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I really cringe at the end of the album on Cedars of Lebanon when Bono sings the couple of lines about the soldiers getting oranges from the tank .... awful ....  :-X

 
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: irish.lemon on March 31, 2009, 08:32:37 AM
not much criticism of the new album yet..?  here's a bit i can't stand from it:

- "i wasn't gonna buy just anyone's cockatoo"...love this song, hate this lyric.  it throws me off and it's a shame because i absolutely love the pre-chorus, saying he's got to "walk out into the street with arms out, got a love you can't defeat."

- with the exceptions of a few lines in "boots", the only valuable part of that song is the bridge...scrap the rest.

- unknown caller is alright, though fairly mediocre, 'til it hits the verse where the whole band sounds like they took a xanax before hitting record.  i was pretty surprised by this one and it most definitely ruins the song for me...i hit skip everytime  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: swearingmonk on March 31, 2009, 09:52:11 AM
I'l go crazy;
every beauty needs to go out with an idiot
 ::)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: drummer120 on March 31, 2009, 11:11:23 AM
Ok, here's one of my favorite U2 songs, but is has a line I really detest.

Vertigo: "Girl with crimson nails has Jesus round the neck, swinging to the music, etc."

I hate that part. But I love the rest of the song. :)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: irish.lemon on March 31, 2009, 11:27:50 AM
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I think everyone is over-thinking this whole question (and, in most cases, failing to stop and open your minds to the subtle beauty and poetics turns of phrase).

Grace, for instance, is an extraordinary song, dealing with one of the most challenging concepts of Christianity while employing Bono's classic God-as-lover approach. It's stunning.

Trying to throw your arms around the world is supposed to be babblings of a drunk stumbling home. My God. Doesn't anyone take a second look at the lyrics or read the interviews that go with them?

Sad state of intelligence around here.

haha, i think it's less about over-analyzing and intelligence and more about taste as in fine art...i love klimt and miro, but there's pieces of theirs that i could absolutely do without even though there's charm enough in them to make them at least partially appealing even though i don't appreciate a particular brushstroke here or there.  the same goes for music...instead of visual, it's aural art and it should be treated and scrutinized as such because it all holds multiple meanings for each of us.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: unknowncallerseraphim on March 31, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
stop helping God across the road like a little old lady?!!

what's with that?!! lol

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on March 31, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
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Vertigo: "Girl with crimson nails has Jesus round the neck, swinging to the music, etc."


Second that. For me it goes together with "Jesus sister's eyes are a blister".  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Midnight is Where the Day Begins on March 31, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
On the track Winter on linear, he says like butter on toast, and rhymed it with ghost. I cracked up when i  heard that.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on March 31, 2009, 12:55:33 PM
he has some real winners, rhyming puppy with happy belongs in the same category
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: RobBankRobber on March 31, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
"Satan loves a bomb scare, but he won't scare you."  WHAT? LAME.

"There's a part of you that wants me to riot." So stupid. Bono blatanly needing to find a quick rhyme.

"In a dry and waterless place."  I think we know what the word 'dry' means.

"Some people get squashed crossing the tracks."  Dumb.

"Stand up to rock stars, Napoleon is in high heels. Josephine be careful, of small men with big ideas."  Too cheesy for me. A joke only Bono would laugh at.
 
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Roscoe on March 31, 2009, 11:51:21 PM
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Yeah, the last part of Kite ruins it for me.

The lyrics of Grace ruin the whole song.

I'm going to come back to this ...

Agree totally..hate that song
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Roscoe on March 31, 2009, 11:53:38 PM
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Don't know why, but the "air is heavy/heavy as a truck" line in Electrical Storm doesn't bother me. It's ... descriptive. :)

I agree....its blunt...trucks are big, heavy, dirty...its descriptive..besides ..how many other words rhyme with luck !! (Don't answer that !!)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: InThisHeartland on April 01, 2009, 10:08:40 AM
ATM machine. things like that bug me, so Achtoon Baby has just changed how i think about one of the great songs from NLOTH
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: rubicon on April 01, 2009, 10:09:53 AM
Well, a nine-page thread, & "Achtung Baby" really gets off the hook!  I recognize people's positive feelings about the album--I share them!--but let's be objective.  It doesn't take three English degrees (though I do have that many, for better or worse) to realize that these lines are groaners, plain and simple:

"She wears my love like a see-through dress . . . "

"You're a piece of glass left on the beach . . . " (I can just see this scribbled in the poetry notebook of an angst-ridden middle schooler!)

"Love, like a screaming flower . . . " I once had a friend, years ago, when the LP first came out and we were listening to it together, do a perfectly timed mock "flower-scream" in the moment right after Bono sings this laugher!  That memory brings a smile to my face to this day.  I think it was also in this listening session that this friend and I said an alternate album name might have been, "Bono Discovers Simile and Metaphor."

Now, as I recall, there are some other hilarious groaners on AB, but I need not go into them here.  Actually, I bring up these lines in the larger context of some of the negative reactions to NLOTH.  In these forums and elsewhere, I keep reading negative reactions to the album, many of which single out the lyrics specifically.  Amazingly, many of these same reviews/reactions hold up "Achtung Baby" as the pinnacle NLOTH can never reach.  Purely in terms of lyrics, I have to roll my eyes, laugh a little, and well, very respectifully but forcefully disagree with the assessment!  I say all this not to diss "Achtung Baby" but simply to remind certain people to give NLOTH more time.  Yes, we might one day be as forgiving of "ATM machine" as we are of "screaming flowers"! :-)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Fan since 14 on April 01, 2009, 01:28:16 PM
"Love, like a screaming flower . . . "

I completely agree with you, rubicon! Loathe that line and plenty of others from Achtung Baby ("Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses" has both lyrics and tune to its discredit, for example), but that doesn't mean I dislike U2 or Bono's writing. I have plenty more lines that have come to mean the world to me.

By the way, earlier in this chain Mysterious Ways quoted this line: "Your love was a lightbulb, hanging over my head," but that isn't the lyric. It's "hanging over my bed."
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Discotheque Girl on April 01, 2009, 02:48:32 PM
"Then she put a tounge in my ear..."
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Mysterious Ways on April 01, 2009, 03:32:32 PM
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By the way, earlier in this chain Mysterious Ways quoted this line: "Your love was a lightbulb, hanging over my head," but that isn't the lyric. It's "hanging over my bed."

That doesn't make it any better!  :P
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: spinningman on April 02, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
"I'll give you everything that you want....except the thing that you want..."

The single worst line ever in a U2 song.  Not a bad tune but they should have thought that one through
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: rayer32 on April 03, 2009, 03:16:09 PM
I also hate the lyrics for "Grace", but I think it does have a few redeeming lines:

What once was hurt
What once was friction
What left a mark no longer stings
Because Grace makes beauty outta ugly things

I think those are amazing lyrics, and I always picture Bono writing them first and then piecing the rest of the crap around them.

Couldn't agree more with the "Give you everything that you want... except the thing that you want"  I get what he is trying to say, but it just isn't worded very well and doesn't have a good rhythm either.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Nagrom99 on April 03, 2009, 07:08:45 PM
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"I'll give you everything that you want....except the thing that you want..."

The single worst line ever in a U2 song.  Not a bad tune but they should have thought that one through

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: AndyHusney on April 03, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
From Winter:
      "It's hot as hell. We're like butter on toast."

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Starfish on April 03, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
Well, I've found it true standing in the middle of a busy street on a hot day in July. I felt I was melting. Like butter on toast, and it was hot as hell.  ;)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ITM on April 04, 2009, 12:02:35 AM
Anything sung by Michael McDonald.

EDIT: I realize this thread pertains to U2 lyrics but I'm at a loss to find something by the band that truly offends me.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: RobBankRobber on April 04, 2009, 10:28:03 AM
"You just can't get enough of that lovey dovey stuff."

Eh.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Fan since 14 on April 04, 2009, 11:43:14 AM
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"You just can't get enough of that lovey dovey stuff."

Eh.
:D
I love that line!
Cheers!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jick on April 05, 2009, 02:55:27 AM
"I'm wide awake, I'm not sleeping"

Hey I know you're wide awake, so it is redundant to mention you're not sleeping.

It reminds me of Avril Lavigne's hit song Sk8er Boi...

"He was a boy, she was a girl, can I make it anymore obvious?"

No Avril you can't.

And no Bono, you can't.

Cheers,

J
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: RobBankRobber on April 05, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
He was a punk, she did ballet. What more can I say?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Acrobat19 on April 06, 2009, 12:52:44 PM
Stranger in a Strange Land
"I wrote this letter to tell you... the way I feel" (Maybe the laziest lyric in history.)

Cedars of Lebanon...
Using "tank" as a rhyme for "bank" kills the whole song for me
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: CityofBlindingElevation on April 25, 2009, 08:20:46 AM
In response to some of the ones on here (and some of my own)....



The ending to "Kite" never bothered me. I think it fits the song.

I always new the lyrics to "Elevation" were dumb. I think it was just written to be a good live song.

The "newborn baby" part in "Miracle Drug" doesn't bug me either. Actually I really like that line. Haven't you ever held a newborn (not just out of the womb, but under 6 months old or so) really close? The top of their heads always smells really good for some reason. I never understood it. Actually I never thought about it until that song. I have a friend who hates all the lyrics in that song, and I just don't understand that. I think it is one of U2's best lyrical songs.

I don't care for "Grace" at all. Actually, All That You Can't Leave Behind is the tale of 2 albums for me. The first half is awesome, the second half is all filler. From "Wild Honey" on it there is nothing I even listen to anymore. I take the cd out when "In a Little While" ends.



Some of mine...

It doesn't ruin the song, but I think when he says "I wasn't just gonna buy anyone's cockatoo" in "Breathe" it is a little goofy.

I hate the simple rhyme scheme (and pretty much most of the lyrics) of "All Because of You." I swear they wrote that song in 3 minutes. If that song was better, How to Dismantle and Atomic Bomb would be a more serious competitor for my favorite U2 album. There are other U2 songs with the simple AA, BB, CC rhyme scheme, but that one just really grates on me. I hate that it is right in the middle of the album. 


Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: u2bonoman on April 25, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
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Well, a nine-page thread, & "Achtung Baby" really gets off the hook!  I recognize people's positive feelings about the album--I share them!--but let's be objective.  It doesn't take three English degrees (though I do have that many, for better or worse) to realize that these lines are groaners, plain and simple:

"She wears my love like a see-through dress . . . "

"You're a piece of glass left on the beach . . . " (I can just see this scribbled in the poetry notebook of an angst-ridden middle schooler!)

"Love, like a screaming flower . . . " I once had a friend, years ago, when the LP first came out and we were listening to it together, do a perfectly timed mock "flower-scream" in the moment right after Bono sings this laugher!  That memory brings a smile to my face to this day.  I think it was also in this listening session that this friend and I said an alternate album name might have been, "Bono Discovers Simile and Metaphor."

Now, as I recall, there are some other hilarious groaners on AB, but I need not go into them here.  Actually, I bring up these lines in the larger context of some of the negative reactions to NLOTH.  In these forums and elsewhere, I keep reading negative reactions to the album, many of which single out the lyrics specifically.  Amazingly, many of these same reviews/reactions hold up "Achtung Baby" as the pinnacle NLOTH can never reach.  Purely in terms of lyrics, I have to roll my eyes, laugh a little, and well, very respectifully but forcefully disagree with the assessment!  I say all this not to diss "Achtung Baby" but simply to remind certain people to give NLOTH more time.  Yes, we might one day be as forgiving of "ATM machine" as we are of "screaming flowers"! :-)

I have to say I couldn't disagree with this more.  :P
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: The Unknown Caller on April 25, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
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"You just can't get enough of that lovey dovey stuff."

Eh.
:D
I love that line!
Cheers!

Agreed! That line pretty much sums up Pop as an album- and Discotheque as a song, I think. Camp, bizarre, unexpected and wonderful!  ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Revolver7 on April 25, 2009, 10:40:19 PM
Candy Floss Ice Cream  :D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: CityofBlindingElevation on April 25, 2009, 11:40:22 PM
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"You just can't get enough of that lovey dovey stuff."

Eh.
:D
I love that line!
Cheers!

Agreed! That line pretty much sums up Pop as an album- and Discotheque as a song, I think. Camp, bizarre, unexpected and wonderful!  ;D


This line reminds me of a discussion I had with a friend of mine regarding U2's Pop and Queen's "Radio Ga-Ga." If a band sings about mindless, bubblegum entertainment some people will take that song as mindless bubblegum entertainment in and of itself simply based on the lyrics.

A lot of critics accused U2 of going soft based on those lyrics. Ironically, the joke was on them.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: drummer120 on April 26, 2009, 07:34:57 AM
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I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful. It's not gratuitous cussing either, it's pretty heartfelt. It all depends on how tolerant you are to swearing, but for me it's not used in an aggressive tone and is there for a reason.

I largely agree, he almost never swears, it's evocative, and it's not gratuitous.  But it's still too jarring for me personally.  *shrug*

Didn't Bono drop and f-bomb at the Golden Globe Awards in 2003? I thought he did.  :-\
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: kristbg on April 26, 2009, 08:38:32 AM
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I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful. It's not gratuitous cussing either, it's pretty heartfelt. It all depends on how tolerant you are to swearing, but for me it's not used in an aggressive tone and is there for a reason.

I largely agree, he almost never swears, it's evocative, and it's not gratuitous.  But it's still too jarring for me personally.  *shrug*

Didn't Bono drop and f-bomb at the Golden Globe Awards in 2003? I thought he did.  :-\

I think he meant in studio. Bono swears all the time in concert and in interviews.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: JoshuaTree94 on April 26, 2009, 08:09:43 PM
My mom (who introduced me to U2) and I always have fun with "I fall down/I'm falling down/and when you fall down/I fall down". Then I listen to "Stand Up Comedy" and it's like they took 25 years to get back up from Bono's first weird lyrical adventure.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: heavenscloud on April 28, 2009, 03:26:52 PM
"Password, you, enter here, right now" from unknown caller

surely they should have called the song "unknown User" then it would have more relevance to the song...
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Vision Over Visibility on April 29, 2009, 09:52:04 PM
Wake up Dead Man - great song, the f-bomb is the right word, but it makes me have to be careful around my kids....we just don't use that kind of language around our home... :) (And we listen to alot of U2 on random shuffle)

From and earlier post:
"I'm wide awake/I'm not sleeping"  - could it be that it is meant to be redundant, as the subject of the song is an addict, maybe trying to convince his/herself?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on April 29, 2009, 10:06:41 PM
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Wake up Dead Man - great song, the f-bomb is the right word, but it makes me have to be careful around my kids....we just don't use that kind of language around our home... :) (And we listen to alot of U2 on random shuffle)

From and earlier post:
"I'm wide awake/I'm not sleeping"  - could it be that it is meant to be redundant, as the subject of the song is an addict, maybe trying to convince his/herself?

I agree - my kids know a lot less of the Pop album because I don't want the f-bomb to crop up when I am in the other room and they and their mom are in by the stereo.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on April 30, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
Yes, Pop isn't a particularly kid-friendly album. If your kids like Pop, they must have good taste. I could only get into that album when I was like 18.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: MJ on May 04, 2009, 08:11:43 AM
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Don't know why, but the "air is heavy/heavy as a truck" line in Electrical Storm doesn't bother me. It's ... descriptive. :)

I agree. Although not 'perfect', but this line doesn't bother me at all ... LOVE the song!  ;)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DarkRidley (Chief Kitty Kat Utilities Officer) on May 04, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
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Yes, Pop isn't a particularly kid-friendly album. If your kids like Pop, they must have good taste. I could only get into that album when I was like 18.

Pop was one of of my first U2 albums, after Zooropa and ATYCLB, which I got in '04, around Bomb's release. I was only about 10, and I still loved it. I think it's an acquired taste in relation to other U2 albums, but by no means unaccessible to young people. I guess it helps that my parents are pretty liberal about swearing. :P

In regard to this thing about Bad's redundancy, I'd say it's a fair point, but the song is about the whole Eno "capture the moment" thing, and the lyrics were intentionally left as a sketch. As Vision Over Visibility pointed out, it is about an addict, and it's probably implying that the addict is trying to convince himself. Those implications, the emotions, the rawness, - they're all more important than Bad's literal lyrics in my view. Same thing with the whole "If I could/Yes, I would/If I could/I would" thing earlier on in the song.

On another note, I think that the "fish needs a bicycle" line is the best part of Tryin' to Throw Your Arms Around the World. Always makes me chuckle, at the least.

Otherwise, I guess Grace is pretty cheesy for the most part, but I never had a huge issue with it. I can't really think of any other Bono lyrics I have a problem with. The Edge's "have another grape" thing was a bit silly, but not song-ruining.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: drummer120 on May 05, 2009, 12:28:11 PM
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I love that line from Wake Up Dead Man. Bono rarely swears on albums, so when he does it is of great significance. I find it evocative and powerful. It's not gratuitous cussing either, it's pretty heartfelt. It all depends on how tolerant you are to swearing, but for me it's not used in an aggressive tone and is there for a reason.

I largely agree, he almost never swears, it's evocative, and it's not gratuitous.  But it's still too jarring for me personally.  *shrug*

Didn't Bono drop and f-bomb at the Golden Globe Awards in 2003? I thought he did.  :-\
Gotcha. Yeah they were swearing a lot in U2 by U2, which made me a bit confused regarding that post up there about Bono almost never swearing.
I think he meant in studio. Bono swears all the time in concert and in interviews.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: kitegirlpdx on May 07, 2009, 12:34:08 AM
U2's lyrics as a whole made a lot more sense after reading U2 by U2....
I think the term "Bonoese" was actually used to describe some the "free-Willying"  Bono does when he performs,  not to mention the indept description of bringing the music together....they described often getting a sound and a feel.....before lyrics were brought in..

It was amusing reading about how the Band never knew in the early days what exactly Bono would be belting out! 
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Jazz on May 07, 2009, 05:20:15 AM
Any of the Unkown Caller lyrics are truly awful.

Fave lyric:

'Carnival
The wheels fly and the colors spin
Through alcohol,
Red wine that punctures the skin
Face to face
In a dry and waterless place'

Sublime!!!!!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on May 07, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Some Days Are Better Than Others is truly awful lyrically imo. Which is strange, because Zooropa has some of the best lyrics Bono has ever written.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: ptrocku2 on May 07, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
After reading 11 pages of this thread...i guess im most surprised by the hatred of the song Grace.  For me..the song is beautiful.  It speaks of god..spirituality..like no other song ever has. I'm not a person who usually turns to songs about God..but this one for me says it all. Many people confuse the meaning of the word "grace".  It is a concept that some do not understand.  To do something for others..without wanting anything in return..complete selflessness..

"She travels outside of Karma"...grace is meaningful because you are not doing something for others because you think if you dont..it may come back at ya.  You are showing grace...just because. period.

"Grace makes beauty of of ugly things"...
for some reason when i hear that line i think of 9/11.  The grace that most every human being showed toward one another..without wanting anything in return.  Reaching out to others..

okay..im done.  Grace is just a beautiful tune. sorry for going off topic a bit..
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Darkstar on May 13, 2009, 04:57:43 AM
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Does redundancy count?

"I'm wide awake/I'm not sleeping"


Actually, this is one of my favorite lines. I know a lot of people who are wide awake, but sleepwalking through their lives, heck I used to be like that. I've even used that line to teach my kids about being politically and socially aware. Anyway, that's what the line means to me.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Immy1992 on May 13, 2009, 05:18:31 PM
'from the womb/my first cry/it was a joyful noise.' - what?

'my father is a rich man/he wears a rich mans cloak/gave me the keys to his kingdom/gave me a cup of gold - OK, i understand he's speaking metaphorically, but his dad worked in a post office...

I think Bono's problem is he's not articulate enough for his intelligence. He has an incredible mind, and is really deep, even philosophical, but generally he just can't communicate it. I'll be fair though, SOMETIMES, he does get it spot on.

I still love the music though, and Bono too  ;D
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Vision Over Visibility on May 14, 2009, 11:03:52 PM
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'from the womb/my first cry/it was a joyful noise.' - what?

'my father is a rich man/he wears a rich mans cloak/gave me the keys to his kingdom/gave me a cup of gold - OK, i understand he's speaking metaphorically, but his dad worked in a post office...

I think Bono's problem is he's not articulate enough for his intelligence. He has an incredible mind, and is really deep, even philosophical, but generally he just can't communicate it. I'll be fair though, SOMETIMES, he does get it spot on.

I still love the music though, and Bono too  ;D

being a father , the first cry of my children as they were born was certainly a joyful noise to me...

and I believe Bono is speaking of his Heavenly Father in "For The First time", not about his earthly one.


All of these 12 pages of comments have made me re-examine what I love about U2, their music and their message, and Bono gave me the answer himself:  "The right to be ridiculous is something I hold dear"....if we were to hear from him I have a feeling that he would admit that he doesn't take himself too seriously...I mean look at the guy try to dance  :).

kitegirlpdx, I agree that U2 By U2 really made things clear to me as to the organic nature of their songwriting.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: DGordon1 on May 15, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
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'from the womb/my first cry/it was a joyful noise.' - what?

'my father is a rich man/he wears a rich mans cloak/gave me the keys to his kingdom/gave me a cup of gold - OK, i understand he's speaking metaphorically, but his dad worked in a post office...

I think Bono's problem is he's not articulate enough for his intelligence. He has an incredible mind, and is really deep, even philosophical, but generally he just can't communicate it. I'll be fair though, SOMETIMES, he does get it spot on.

I still love the music though, and Bono too  ;D

I'd agree with that actually. Bono is capable of writing truly brilliant lyrics, but it doesn't quite work all the the time. Clearly the intelligence is there, but articulating it is sometimes harder. He's like an unschooled genius.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on May 15, 2009, 11:31:27 AM
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'from the womb/my first cry/it was a joyful noise.' - what?

'my father is a rich man/he wears a rich mans cloak/gave me the keys to his kingdom/gave me a cup of gold - OK, i understand he's speaking metaphorically, but his dad worked in a post office...

I think Bono's problem is he's not articulate enough for his intelligence. He has an incredible mind, and is really deep, even philosophical, but generally he just can't communicate it. I'll be fair though, SOMETIMES, he does get it spot on.

I still love the music though, and Bono too  ;D

I believe both lines have reference points in the Bible, rather than purely personal. I think.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Darkstar on May 15, 2009, 06:11:42 PM
In the The First Time, I think the lyrics are a biblical mix, they are about the gifts god gives you and how you throw away those gifts ala The Prodigal Son
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: joegtheog on May 16, 2009, 09:54:48 AM
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In the The First Time, I think the lyrics are a biblical mix, they are about the gifts god gives you and how you throw away those gifts ala The Prodigal Son

"Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all the earth: make a
loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise."
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: fresno dave on August 05, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
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And on The Playboy Mansion (which I like otherwise), does he scat-sing, "The Play Dough Mansion"? That would also qualify.

that.
Hmm.  I'll have to relisten.  I Googled and see there were zero posts online suggesting  that.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: codeguy on August 06, 2017, 12:20:06 AM
Oh there are so many but none more so than "freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head"
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shineinthesummernight on August 06, 2017, 02:57:03 PM
I love that line about the scent of the baby's head.  I've had three babies and they definitely have a certain scent.  Lovely image.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: clydefrog on September 07, 2017, 01:53:05 AM
surprised no one mentioned this one

I was of a feeling it was out of control
I had the opinion it was out of control


I love this song but just can't ever listen to the album version.
Cleary bono thought it was ridiculous too which is why he never sings it like the album version

Lay down
Lay down
Lay your sweet lovely on the ground
Lay your love on the track
We're gonna break the monster's back


eeeeesh....good news is after this part the song really gets good


A little uptight
You're a baby's fist
Butterfly kisses up and down your wrist
When you see daddy coming
You're licking your lip
Nails bitten down to the quick


still enjoy all 3 songs though
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Clarky on September 09, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
the air is heavy, heavy as a truck.

still like the song though.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Clarky on September 09, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
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Any of the Unkown Caller lyrics are truly awful.

Fave lyric:

'Carnival
The wheels fly and the colors spin
Through alcohol,
Red wine that punctures the skin
Face to face
In a dry and waterless place'

Sublime!!!!!

TUF probably the best lyrics U2 have done I think.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 10, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
I always thought the lyric was "throughout the hall" not through alcohol.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: tom_b1807 on September 11, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
The best thing that ever happened to boy  ;)
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: bfvertigo1 on September 13, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
The lyrics of Get on your boots.
Title: Re: Lines that &quot;ruin&quot; a song for you
Post by: ZEROpartII on September 15, 2017, 10:00:21 AM
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The lyrics of Get on your boots.

I don't wanna talk about the wars between the nations . . . At least right now

(I find it as Bono's most smug self-aware lyric)


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Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: codeguy on September 15, 2017, 02:40:38 PM
I've got a submarine, you've got gasoline
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Milla88 on September 21, 2017, 04:28:29 AM
Until the End of the World:
"Last time we met it was a low-lit room
We were as close together as a bride and groom."

I don't know why but those lines sound to me like it they were written by a 15-year old high school kid writing his first song.

Otherwise, it's a cool song.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 21, 2017, 04:59:23 PM
It's referring to the Upper Room where Christ had the Last Supper with his disciples, often depicted as a sort of wedding-like head table.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Milla88 on September 21, 2017, 10:38:44 PM
Thanks! I was aware of the theme of the song but that line has always seemed so out of place to me...well, I guess I have to change my mind now.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Joshua on September 29, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
Wow

It's crazy how different people feel about some of the lyrics.

Grace is one of the best songs lyrically I think Ive ever heard.

'Like the top of a new born babys head' is so beautifully put, maybe only mothers and fathers will really get that one.

Title: Re: Lines that &quot;ruin&quot; a song for you
Post by: robgalloway on September 30, 2017, 01:13:55 AM
'Freedom has a scent like the top of a new born babies head' isn't meant to be taken literally... I think the scent he is referring to is 'hope'.


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Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: shineinthesummernight on September 30, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
Loving that line about the top of a newborn baby's head....hope but also a literal and tangible scent of newness & possibility.
Title: Re: Lines that &quot;ruin&quot; a song for you
Post by: Joshua on September 30, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
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'Freedom has a scent like the top of a new born babies head' isn't meant to be taken literally... I think the scent he is referring to is 'hope'.


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Its both literal and metaphorical
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Racingfan53 on October 12, 2017, 06:38:14 PM
Yes, I personally love the lyrics to Miracle Drug.  In fact, I don't think I've come across any U2 lyric I dislike.... well....

"Your eyes make a circle."

Can someone elucidate this theme for me?  Please?!  It just seems so out of place.

However, with the Boots lyrics and Elevation lyrics, even though I agree they're rather nonsensical and odd, I don't mind, because those two songs, for me, don't need to be deep.  I appreciate the rocky sentiment to both songs, and the fact that I can just jam along without stopping halfway through like "whoa... that's deep."  Especially in Elevation, the lyrics are just fun to sing:  "A MOLE!  Diggin' in a HOLE!  Diggin' in my SOUL now goin' down ex-ca-va-tion!"
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: zsbryant on December 02, 2017, 01:37:01 PM
"You are rock and roll" from American Soul.  Utterly disconnected from the theme of the song.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: McSwilly on December 02, 2017, 07:40:40 PM
"like a fish needs a bicycle"
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: SwimmingSorrows on December 03, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
It's not a "fish needs a bicycle" line but "Hey now, do you know my name/hey now, or where I'm going" doesn't rhyme and kind of throws me off a bit.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EnduringChill on December 03, 2017, 12:50:54 PM
While there are no lyrics that really RUIN a song for me- I'd say all of the lyrics have to be bad for a song to be "ruined" per se- I have to somewhat concur with this:

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"You are rock and roll" from American Soul.  Utterly disconnected from the theme of the song.
It does feel disconnected, but my real problem is how it was re-purposed from "Volcano" for this song. I don't mind all of the lyrical callbacks to SOI on the new album, but this particularly sticks out to me. If it wasn't sung to the same melody as in "Volcano," I'd probably appreciate it more- as it is, it feels a bit lazy.

Also, with the new album on the brain, I think "Shooting off my mouth, that's another great thing about me" from "You're the Best Thing About Me" is such a weak line, and I hate when I hear it in the song- but I also love the song so much, I get over it quickly. Ha!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: GoldenStateGirl on December 03, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
“The blind leading the blond” has always irritated me.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Argo on December 03, 2017, 08:49:33 PM
I haven't read through all this to see if already mentioned, but the butter on toast line from Winter is cringe worthy for what is otherwise a really good song.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: redrunningred on December 04, 2017, 07:42:22 AM
It doesn't ruin it for me, but definitely irritates me in an otherwise solid song, 2 parts of SOE. First, the chorus of You're the Best Thing About Me. An otherwise solid pop rock song is brought down by a chorus that is at around IGCIIDGCT levels of hammy. Also, the chorus of a very solid rocker, American Soul, is a repeated U2 trope of, "something something you rock and roll," that has been repeated at least twice before.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Yukona [The League of Extraordinary Bonopeople] on December 04, 2017, 10:22:44 AM
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"You are rock and roll" from American Soul.  Utterly disconnected from the theme of the song.

refu%&*&%#$%jesus!!! makes me so angry!
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jjcruiser on December 04, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
Nothing beats Unknown Caller for bad lyrics, but because I don't really like the music either, the lame lyrics don't really bother me.  Same with Babyface.  I used to detest "like a mole digging in a hole" but now it just cracks me up.

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"You are rock and roll" from American Soul.  Utterly disconnected from the theme of the song.

refu%&*&%#$%jesus!!! makes me so angry!

Usually Bono makes really meaningful, interesting references to Jesus.  I agree with this criticism though.  "RefuJesus" is just silly.  I'm also not exactly sure what he's trying to get across in Lights of Home with asking if Jesus is still his friend, "what the Hell you got for me"?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: kacey725 on December 04, 2017, 08:14:44 PM
I am shocked that only one person so far has mentioned "the best thing that ever happened a boy." For all of our taste issues with this line or that line, this lyric eliminates a simple two-letter word ("to") clearly for no other reason than to force the line to fit the syllable limit and meter. And that one-word omission - for me - does exactly what this thread asks about, which is ruin the entire song ("You're the Best Thing About Me"). I can't hear it enough times to make that okay. Utter nonsense! I'm not sure if I think it makes Bono lazy or insane...I can only say that it makes me CRINGE.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: jjcruiser on December 04, 2017, 10:38:48 PM
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I am shocked that only one person so far has mentioned "the best thing that ever happened a boy." For all of our taste issues with this line or that line, this lyric eliminates a simple two-letter word ("to") clearly for no other reason than to force the line to fit the syllable limit and meter. And that one-word omission - for me - does exactly what this thread asks about, which is ruin the entire song ("You're the Best Thing About Me"). I can't hear it enough times to make that okay. Utter nonsense! I'm not sure if I think it makes Bono lazy or insane...I can only say that it makes me CRINGE.

Oh.  I thought it was an Irish thing; i.e., that's how they would say it in Ireland.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Am I bugging you? on December 05, 2017, 03:18:39 AM
  Love Is All We Have Left
  The line that I don’t like is, “A baby cries on a doorstep”. I wouldn’t say that it ruins the song for me, but I don’t understand the reference. The line reminds me of movies where a baby gets dumped on somebody’s doorstep. I still like the song.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: miracle_al on December 06, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
The "spit" line from 'Crazy Tonight.'  Gratuitous and unnecessary, IMHO.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Samdoyle1987 on December 09, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
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I am shocked that only one person so far has mentioned "the best thing that ever happened a boy." For all of our taste issues with this line or that line, this lyric eliminates a simple two-letter word ("to") clearly for no other reason than to force the line to fit the syllable limit and meter. And that one-word omission - for me - does exactly what this thread asks about, which is ruin the entire song ("You're the Best Thing About Me"). I can't hear it enough times to make that okay. Utter nonsense! I'm not sure if I think it makes Bono lazy or insane...I can only say that it makes me CRINGE.
I never was bothered by that, because I live in Ireland, where it is a common turn of phrase. For example, if a boy came home with a grazed knee and mud on his face, his mammy might say "what happened ya?". You get me?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: dirtdrybonesandstone on December 10, 2017, 12:59:38 PM
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  Love Is All We Have Left
  The line that I don’t like is, “A baby cries on a doorstep”. I wouldn’t say that it ruins the song for me, but I don’t understand the reference. The line reminds me of movies where a baby gets dumped on somebody’s doorstep. I still like the song.

Wasnt there a story about this happening in NY earlier this year?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: U2alwaysforever on December 11, 2017, 08:45:00 PM
The Blackout names in the lyrics I'm assuming have been well covered here?

Can one of the audio savvy fans recut it without Ned, Jack, and Zach?
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: blovesu2 on December 12, 2017, 09:31:00 AM
"The door is open to go through"

YUCK.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: EdgeUK8_my_mind on December 12, 2017, 09:09:29 PM
The slaves are looking for someone to lead them
The master’s looking for someone to need him
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Droppo on December 14, 2017, 12:14:49 PM
Miracle Drug: "Freedom has a scent...like the top of a newborn baby's head."

American Soul: "Will you be my sanctuary...Refu-Jesus."

GOYB: "Sexy boots!"

The Playboy Mansion: "If Coke is a mystery, Michael Jackson...HIStory" and "if OJ is more than a drink, a Big Mac bigger than you think"

Electrical Storm: "The air is heavy, heavy like a truck"

All Because Of You: "An intellectual tortoise.."

Beautiful Day: "See the tuna fleets clearing the sea out" (still love the song, just hate that it contains the word "tuna")

Grace: Every line of the song






Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: PROJ2823 on December 14, 2017, 01:55:34 PM
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“The blind leading the blond” has always irritated me.
Why?
It is a pun on "the blind leading the blind" coming from Mattheüs 15:1-20 and depicted by Breughel in his famous painting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Leading_the_Blind
Sometimes  being blond is considered not so bright. The blind leading the not so clever, who do obviously not understand that they are being led by the blind. This is a fitting change for a song on an album that adresses looking for spiritually and meaning in a time of empty consumption and superficiality.

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: two hearts on December 16, 2017, 05:57:09 AM
Babyface and Some days, are let down by poor lyrics
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Asteroid41 on January 08, 2018, 02:12:44 PM
The "Oh Oh Oh" at the beginning of Moment Of Surrender.

Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Allhorizonbomb on January 08, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
Best thing to happen to boy
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you,
Post by: Achtung Maybe on January 12, 2018, 06:48:48 PM
"...and to love I'd rhapsodize" at the end of 'Window in the Skies' doesn't ruin the song quite, but it's such a clumsy line.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Elehman1 on January 18, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
"I know a girl who's like the sea, I watch her changing every day for me" from "No Line On The Horizon"

"I'm ready for the push" from "Zoo Station"

"You just can't get enough of that lovey-dovey stuff" from "Discotheque"

Wow, I seem to have something against album openers.

"There's an insect in your ear" from "Staring At The Sun"

"ATM Machine" from "Moment Of Surrender"

The entire lyrics of Miami, Wild Honey, Crashed Car, Some Days, TPB, GOYB, and Crazy Tonight.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Elehman1 on January 18, 2018, 07:17:32 PM
As for redundancy factor...

"I'm wide awake, I'm not sleeping" Bad

"Lights go down, it's dark" Vertigo

"I'm alive, I'm being born" All Because Of You

One of my friends misheard that last one as "I'm a line, I'm being drawn", which is equally redundant.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: Bundang Dave on January 18, 2018, 08:10:14 PM
Too trite:

And a heart that is broken is a heart that is open.
Title: Re: Lines that "ruin" a song for you
Post by: suitoflights on January 19, 2018, 04:10:05 AM
"ATM machine" from Unknown Caller. The M already stands for machine.
"Stop Helping God across the road like a little old lady" from Stand Up Comedy.