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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by marcovox on April 15, 2019, 12:28:25 AM »
Well it's almost the end of the business day on April 15th in Australia.  I highly doubt they're going to announce it late into the evening.   So I think those Ts aren't being crossed after all. 

U2songs said expect an announcement later in the month.  I'm assuming that next week at the earliest.
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by Boba Fett on April 14, 2019, 11:59:26 PM »
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"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.

Riiiiiigghtttt......;)

Seriously though - we've just had Metallica and Queen announce stadium tours. I would have thought U2 would be better off delaying an announcement for a while now. People have only got so much money you know!

Thanks M2 - guess the point here is that an announcement is imminent
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by singnomore on April 14, 2019, 06:28:51 PM »
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"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.

Thanks M2 - guess the point here is that an announcement is imminent
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by m2 on April 14, 2019, 03:27:34 PM »
"T"s are still being crossed and "i" are still being dotted.
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by Billy Rhythm on April 14, 2019, 02:29:51 PM »
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1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

South America got a leg for the 2017 Tour...  of course I was talking about a tour exclusive to the Southern Hemisphere...  any tour Down Under would've been "massive" back in the day for they rarely visited there...  don't know about your sales data but I'll take your word for it...  at any rate 'Rattle & Hum' is a Joshua Tree sidebar...  the best moments, especially in the film, are The Joshua Tree material performed live...  even the better new songs, such as 'Hawkmoon 269', sound like Joshua B-Sides or, songs that weren't good or innovative enough to form a cohesive new album...

it's a "downpoint" in their history for they were becoming bad parodies of, not only themselves, but doing a poor job of imitating their idols...  'Desire' hit Number One out of the gate for the same reasons that 'Discotheque' from 'POP' did...  the world was salivating for a new U2 record...  what they got was a second rate Bo Diddley rip-off (they wouldn't be the first) where Bono's going on about red guitars (where have we heard that before?)...  talking about a 30th Anniversary 'Rattle & Hum' show where the expectation is that they'd play the entire album in its entirety would be pretty sad, in my opinion...  is he supposed to repeat the pretentious introduction by giving further notoriety to a mass murderer who's name should be unspoken forever?!

the worst part would be hearing Bono attempting to recapture the passionate screaming of 'Hawkmoon 269's later verses, or in 'God (Part II)' (another ripped off title) with his now older vocals...  even the band themselves realized that they were trying too hard to be something that they weren't back then which resulted in them hitting the reset button and going back to being U2 for the early to mid-nineties (you are 100% correct when you said "Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV")...  'Rattle & Hum' is a fragmented mess (one of its charms, I suppose) and wreaks of them trying to milk 'The Joshua Tree'/Americana thing for all its worth...  making the vinyl a double album was a joke for they easily could've fit what was offered onto a single disc...  if you're gonna make it 2 records then include the best tracks that weren't included (in other words, More Joshua Tree)...

I'd like to think that U2 have learned from the 'Rattle & Hum' experience, but to make this rumored tour about 'Lovetown' would be history repeating itself for the wrong reasons...  'Rattle & Hum's saving grace is 'The Joshua Tree'...:-)
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Tours / Re: MRI imagery during early leg(s) of E&I tour
« Last post by Tortuga on April 14, 2019, 06:27:18 AM »
I realize I quoted you but I should have hit the reply button instead as I was really replying to the whole thread.

I hope my comment wasnít offensive. I enjoy discussion that mixes up thoughts and ideas.  I donít mean arguing for the sake of arguing or forum drama. But good, respectful adult discussion.  I like challenging and being challenged.  Thatís when my mind really gets opened up.  Plus, its just fun. If thatís not you and you donít feel the same, please disregard my comments.  Weíre all here for our own reasons and I donít want to get in the way of yours.

On the other hand, if you also enjoy hearty discussion, here is my point.

All Iím trying to say is that it doesnít make sense to use that opening sequence as a basis on which to speculate about Bonoís own health situation or what kind of MRI he had.  Willie Williams said himself, ďit is an imagined versionĒ.  Things happen in an artistís life and it gives the artist ideas, but the art created can be a very different story than what actually happened.  Itís just a jumping off point.

As I said in my post, you recognized this possibility.  I guess Iím just saying that in general its pointless to even speculate.  That is just my opinion.  Its also my opinion that MRIís are not scary.  But that is just arguing now, isnít?  But Iím curious, what about it did you find scary?





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Tours / Re: MRI imagery during early leg(s) of E&I tour
« Last post by Catlithco on April 14, 2019, 05:11:50 AM »
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Not everything an artist does is autobiographical.  Whatever happened with Bono, it doesnít necessarily follow that what they did in the show is precisely consistent. I realize your saying this in your post.  And everyone can do what they want and whatever is most meaningful to them.  But I often feel that by focusing on trying to fit the narrative of the art so tightly to the artist, you can really miss the point.  Or at least you  may limit the inspiration it can have.


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I don't know exactly what you want to tell me... I know that not everything an artist does is autobiographical. I think that's what I'm saying, too by mentioning that the breathing instructions may have dramaturgical reasons rather than Bono had the same kind of MRI.
But, as we all know from what Bono said by himself, the MRI sequence is pretty autobiographical, and I've read recently that they wanted to use Bonos own MRI scans for the show, but then decided not to show those because they were too revealing medically.

Anyway, thats not a discussion about this "event" again, I just wanted to share my MRI experience.
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by summerholly on April 14, 2019, 04:43:46 AM »
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it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again
why?  they haven't played anything from the album since the 2017 tour...  if anything, the 30th Anniversary Tour's timing was "weird" for people were still awaiting the 'Experience' album's release and it had appeared that the 'Innocence' tour was only half finished at the time...

the logic behind starting up another leg of 'The Joshua Tree' is pretty simple...  they can sell out stadiums on this premise as opposed to arenas which weren't exactly filling up during the last tour in some instances...  'The Joshua Tree' is money in the bank...  they can sell more tickets in an abbreviated window...  if you were to poll the Australians on whether they'd want a 'Joshua Tree' or 'e+i' show I'm thinking that there'd be overwhelming support for 'The Joshua Tree'...

I don't know about the 'Lovetown' talk (30 years this year) either for 'Rattle & Hum' is seen as a sort of downpoint in their history, rivaled only by 'Pop' & 'Innocence'...  it'd be a hard sell commemorating 30 years since 'Rattle & Hum', for stadiums anyway, in my opinion...  even hardcore U2 fans don't really talk much about the mediocre covers of The Beatles' classic 'Helter Skelter' or a version of 'All Along The Watchtower' that pales in comparison to just about every other version out there...

The 2017 tour reconnected U2's core audience to the heart of their legacy, which many had long lost sight of, particularly after a sad offering in the form of a 'Songs of Innocence' album, and I'm not just talking about the manner in which it was "offered"...  The Southern Hemisphere missed out on what, in my opinion, was their finest tour both visually and musically in 2017...  This demographic has been very supportive of the band throughout their careers and is fully deserving of a Joshua Tree themed tour...:-)

1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.

Yep not surprising at all, Rattle and Hum was one of my favourites, I didn't even realise the critics didn't like it much, that surprised me.  Maybe the American critics were tougher on it for reasons that were of less importance to Australians.  Although I do agree taking on Hendrix and Watchtower was ambitious.  I can still hear Jimi's verison in my head after all these years
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by opening night on April 14, 2019, 12:45:40 AM »
I totally agree with wons about point 1-3!

btw. The rumor is that this is NOT a JT-Tour, only with the stage from 2017.
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News and Rumors / Re: Rumour: Southern Hemisphere 2019 tour
« Last post by wons on April 13, 2019, 10:14:30 PM »
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it seems weird to startup the Joshua Tree tour again
why?  they haven't played anything from the album since the 2017 tour...  if anything, the 30th Anniversary Tour's timing was "weird" for people were still awaiting the 'Experience' album's release and it had appeared that the 'Innocence' tour was only half finished at the time...

the logic behind starting up another leg of 'The Joshua Tree' is pretty simple...  they can sell out stadiums on this premise as opposed to arenas which weren't exactly filling up during the last tour in some instances...  'The Joshua Tree' is money in the bank...  they can sell more tickets in an abbreviated window...  if you were to poll the Australians on whether they'd want a 'Joshua Tree' or 'e+i' show I'm thinking that there'd be overwhelming support for 'The Joshua Tree'...

I don't know about the 'Lovetown' talk (30 years this year) either for 'Rattle & Hum' is seen as a sort of downpoint in their history, rivaled only by 'Pop' & 'Innocence'...  it'd be a hard sell commemorating 30 years since 'Rattle & Hum', for stadiums anyway, in my opinion...  even hardcore U2 fans don't really talk much about the mediocre covers of The Beatles' classic 'Helter Skelter' or a version of 'All Along The Watchtower' that pales in comparison to just about every other version out there...

The 2017 tour reconnected U2's core audience to the heart of their legacy, which many had long lost sight of, particularly after a sad offering in the form of a 'Songs of Innocence' album, and I'm not just talking about the manner in which it was "offered"...  The Southern Hemisphere missed out on what, in my opinion, was their finest tour both visually and musically in 2017...  This demographic has been very supportive of the band throughout their careers and is fully deserving of a Joshua Tree themed tour...:-)

1. The Southern Hemisphere was visited by the Joshua Tree in 2019. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Columbia all got Joshua Tree shows.

2. Joshua Tree is NOT U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Rattle And Hum is U2's biggest selling album in Australia. Surprising I know, but its true.

3. The Lovetown Tour was massive in Australia, was special in many ways, and had a huge impact.

4. Rattle And Hum was never a downpoint in U2's history in terms of sales. Critics did not like the movie and were lukewarm to the album, but most fans enjoyed it. Its not at all a downpoint in their history like POP or Innocence can be considered. If anything, Rattle And Hum perfectly primed the pump for Achtung Baby and ZOO TV.
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